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Nexus not getting update directly from Google?

What's this?
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/09/nexus-one-for-vodafone-receiving-android-2-2-1-update/
I thought that Nexus phone will ALWAYS get update directly from Google?
So, if you buy from T-Mobile, there is a chance you need to wait from T-Mobile as well?
I don't get it.
NOTE: Before people shouting that this should be put specifically to the Nexus One forum. I think this is still valid information for us, who will buy Nexus S just because of the Google experience, like the old Nexus One. Hoping to get first update directly from Google when Google releases any new update. Apparently, that might NOT be the case! Well, hope NOT *finger crossed* ...

I cant speak for the rest of the world but US customers always get their updates directly from Google.
I have a Nexus One right now and have gotten 3 over the air updates directly from Google.

gogol said:
What's this?
http://phandroid.com/2010/12/09/nexus-one-for-vodafone-receiving-android-2-2-1-update/
I thought that Nexus phone will ALWAYS get update directly from Google?
So, if you buy from T-Mobile, there is a chance you need to wait from T-Mobile as well?
I don't get it.
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you can always root the phone and load the stock built from google. But being an android enthusiast i rarely do OTA as you lose root and have to wait, i rather wait for devs to build new roms or optimize the official roms.

Regardless if the Update is pushed from Google or pushed from Samsung it will be the First phone to get it, quite possible along with the N1 so what does it matter?

slowz3r said:
Regardless if the Update is pushed from Google or pushed from Samsung it will be the First phone to get it, quite possible along with the N1 so what does it matter?
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It matters with future updates ;-)

tekkitan said:
It matters with future updates ;-)
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Im pretty sure Google can handle the software and OTA's on their own, they did well enough with the N1

slowz3r said:
Im pretty sure Google can handle the software and OTA's on their own, they did well enough with the N1
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I didn't say they couldn't. I prefer Google handles them because I am still sitting here with a Fascinate running 2.1

Vodafone had a different build of Android for the phones they directly sold, I believe. No massive changes, but the update process is in their hands for their N1s
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You are correct, they only released FRG83D yesterday!

Why is this on the nexus s forum? There is a nexus one forum you know
JD
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JupiterDroid said:
Why is this on the nexus s forum? There is a nexus one forum you know
JD
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haha I just noticed. Well I hope Google will be putting out the Nexus S updates and not Samsung

Wonder if whatever it does get will be OTA, or via Kies like the GS?

Geez ... This is still a valid question for this Nexus S.
Why?
Because there will be a lot of people using "Pure Google" experience reasoning to decide whether to buy Nexus S or not.
Like me, one of the thing that I like with Nexus S is the direct update from Google.
Then I found that is NOT ALWAYS the case! That Nexus One from Vodafone for example.
So, I asked to this forum, probably someone in the know ...
Probably with this, people will know in the future if their Nexus S must wait Vodafone or T-Mobile or God knows who
See? Happy now?
JupiterDroid said:
Why is this on the nexus s forum? There is a nexus one forum you know
JD
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In the UK, the CarPhoneWarehouse sells unbranded phones and just couples them with with a SIM from whatever provider you've picked, so they shouldn't be subject to carrier interference.

sooo, anyone else *#*#checkin#*#* yet?

I know I am not the only one... man, when Froyo came out it was OCD.

As far as I know, gingerbread isn't even out yet. Just the sdk.

twflys said:
I know I am not the only one... man, when Froyo came out it was OCD.
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Naw not really
Pretty sure Google wants to have the Nexus S come out first on the 16th and then OTA the update to us on the 17th or so

Yeah, ask again next Thursday. No reason to believe we'll see it before then.

pfmiller said:
Yeah, ask again next Thursday. No reason to believe we'll see it before then.
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Unless the famous Football has anything to do with it. If I don't see a leak for the nexus by next wednesday, I'd be surprised
I'm pretty wrapped up in senseui 2.0 right now, gingerbread can wait

What's the point of waiting just for the next day to release the ota for n1? There's no real gain in that for google.

I suspect we'll have to wait longer than 1 day.

geemaan said:
What's the point of waiting just for the next day to release the ota for n1? There's no real gain in that for google.
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How about they sell more Nexus S devices because geeks can't wait to get their hands on Gingerbread so they rush out to buy the phone anyways? Surely we all know it's coming to the Nexus S but look at the thread title, people are going nuts for Gingerbread as it is! LOL
Surely they could just do what Apple does and release the update the day before for the older phones but i guess we'll see

geemaan said:
What's the point of waiting just for the next day to release the ota for n1? There's no real gain in that for google.
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There is a good reason to wait.
Now when the SDK is out all the developers can test their apps against the Gingerbread and fix all the bugs and incompatibilities.
What do you think would happen, if goog realeases their 2.3 update and some popular apps don't work anymore? This forum would literally explode with screams like "fix this immediately or else", "I hate google", "gingerbread killed my cat" and so on. Why google would do that to themselves?

Jw but how is doing the dial in update thing different from the check for updates in the settings?
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There is no check for updates in the settings, that's how.

skunz35 said:
Jw but how is doing the dial in update thing different from the check for updates in the settings?
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I'm sure he's doing both just in case one yields different results. Supposedly I've heard that the Settings Updater doesn't always check, but caches the answer for an allotted time. Doing a "checkin" actually goes out and pings google (or wherever) and comes back with a result after a few seconds. The Settings app just flat out tells you no.

@Rusty is says there is under the about phone section
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skunz35 said:
@Rusty is says there is under the about phone section
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No there isn't. That section doesn't 'check' for updates, it tells you the result of the last system check for updates, which is done automatically, or forced through the dialer.
Going to that part of the settings does not force a check.

Damn, beat me too it Clarky

geemaan said:
What's the point of waiting just for the next day to release the ota for n1? There's no real gain in that for google.
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The point would be so that the Nexus S can be marketed as the first phone with Gingerbread.

Yeah they will probably either delay it to just after Dec 16th or release it some time next week. I'm betting on just after though.

pfmiller said:
The point would be so that the Nexus S can be marketed as the first phone with Gingerbread.
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True, but its not like they would lose any buyers anyway.
The N1 is only sold as a dev phone. And how many ppl have a N1? compared to SGS or others...
Also, like when they released froyo...many apps didnt work with 2.2 and had to be updated.
There are alot of devs out there with a N1 as a devphone. Giving out 2.3 before the NS release thus giving time for the devs to update their apps before launch would give android better publicity. And happier customers
I dont know if this is an issue with 2.3 though...
(I know the SDK is out)

I was referring to 1 day vs 1 week or more. More seems more appropriate, as you all say.

The only place I'll be "checkin" with is the Development section chef's.

Huge NEWS from Google I/O

See here for overview of conference.
Live version
In regards to Android updates...
-"New guidelines! Man, this is going to be huge. Google's laying out a timeline for how long it'll take a device to get updated once a new build is let loose, as well as how long it'll be updated beyond that."
-"These shown will be provided timely updates for at least 18 months provided the hardware can handle it. Whoa. WHOA!" -Samsung included here
http://media.xda-developers.com/images/editor/separator.gif
-"The keynote's moving on, but our head is still spinning here. And we're sure the heads of Epic 4G owners are as well." Engadget targeting us.
Linky.
So it looks like Google is taking care of fragmentation. Also they announched Ice Cream Sammmmicch and their goals for unity. In addition, Google Music. Quick get your invites at http://music.google.com
Also, looks like Google has prepared a sweet Arduino dev kit for USB + bluetooth (in the future) for Android devices. Definitely a ton of potential.
Also, they announced [email protected] automation for Android tablets/phones.
And yes... I capitalized NEWS versus Huge, just to be different.

Good for Google for taking the proper steps to mend the biggest problem with their platform.
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12:35PM The keynote's moving on, but our head is still spinning here. And we're sure the heads of Epic 4G owners are as well.
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Heh.
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This is interesting
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Free Galaxy Tab 10.1 for attendees! I'm jealous!

Good stuff. So I guess the "Samsung will never update past Froyo" crap can be put to an end for good. Sprint/Samsung both on board (maybe forced by Google, I don't care how) to support updates 18 months into the life of the devices (if they can handle it) which they SHOULD when they took away the yearly upgrades from most folks.
Also, the movie rental thing Google is releasing looks NICE. So much for Samsung's media hub. Google isn't charging an arm an a leg for rentals either.

CapsLockKey said:
Good stuff. So I guess the "Samsung will never update past Froyo" crap can be put to an end for good.
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It was put to bed for good with ED12.

k0nane said:
Free Galaxy Tab 10.1 for attendees! I'm jealous!
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That's 5,000 Galaxy Tabs. Damn. They know how to put on a show.
Everybody should watch it, a lot of cool stuff. Remember, this is only the first day of I/O.
Also, Engadget's front page is full of I/O stuff right now if you don't have time to watch the video but still want some more info.
Oh, and I thanked you k0nane to make it so you have 1001 thanks. Sorry.

k0nane said:
It was put to bed for good with ED12.
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True. Guess it puts to bed that they never will update past Gingerbread
I have little doubt now my phone will at the very least have Ice Cream before my upgrade time rolls around.

KL4V1CL3 said:
Live version
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You need an "s" in your link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers
Fixed it in the quote.

Xerloq said:
You need an "s" in your link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers
Fixed it in the quote.
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Fixed in op. Thanks.

CapsLockKey said:
True. Guess it puts to bed that they never will update past Gingerbread
I have little doubt now my phone will at the very least have Ice Cream before my upgrade time rolls around.
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With the close Sprint/Goog collaboration on Voice I bet Sprint is going to start coming fast and furious with updates.

I cant wait till 2.4 comes out!!!

I cant wait till 2.4 comes out!!!
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I just can't wait for official gingerbread lol
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By the way, where was Kyocera on that list of partners? I pity anyone who gets suckered into buying that dual screen disaster.

bender_123 said:
With the close Sprint/Goog collaboration on Voice I bet Sprint is going to start coming fast and furious with updates.
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unless they pull an HTC Hero/Samsung moment on us >.>

gTen said:
unless they pull an HTC Hero/Samsung moment on us >.>
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I would think that about a year ago, but the AT&T+T-Mob and Verizon+iPhone make Sprint the natural choice for stronger Google ties, as it needs the "best" hardware and software to compete on a level with the two giants. This process has already started with Voice integration and releasing a Sprint Nexus
The closer Google holds Sprint, the better it is for us and the better/faster the updates come to the Goog Network.

bender_123 said:
I would think that about a year ago, but the AT&T+T-Mob and Verizon+iPhone make Sprint the natural choice for stronger Google ties, as it needs the "best" hardware and software to compete on a level with the two giants. This process has already started with Voice integration and releasing a Sprint Nexus
The closer Google holds Sprint, the better it is for us and the better/faster the updates come to the Goog Network.
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At the same time, that puts Sprint as the only major carrier without an iphone...and I hope they dont go deeper into trying to compete with it by putting all their resources into 1 phone basket... like they did with the Instinct, Pre, Evo...

Now if the carriers and manufactures can come to a agreement on how to properly handle dud phones. I by no means hope there is another debacle like the Samsung Moment was but it is a shame what some had to go through to get rid of that lemon and stupider Sprint kept selling it even though its issues were documented to the umteenth degree.
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I don't want to burst any bubbles, but everything I have read about the 18 month update thing pertains to "new" devices. Not saying they won't apply the same standard to our phones and other phones, but the announcement was from here on that new devices would stay updates for at least 18 months.

WTF is this s**t?

http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/15/confirmed-ics-coming-to-the-nexus-s-in-the-next-few-weeks/
OTA for all countries or 4.0.5???

Hopefully it's more stable than 4.0.3 was.
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climhz said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/15/confirmed-ics-coming-to-the-nexus-s-in-the-next-few-weeks/
OTA for all countries or 4.0.5???
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What do you mean what is it? It will be ICS finally rolling out after all these months to all the variants. And yes, it will be a bug fix release to the T-mobile version that partially rolled out too.

Can wait for a DEV out there to get it hands dirty with it!!!

Some reliable sources say this time its the real deal.

obsanity said:
Some reliable sources say this time its the real deal.
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That's what they always say. Not impressed.

Engadget shoulda have more specific details, e.g., the version. I have been rocking ICS since the stock ICS OTA rolled out to T-Mobile, and now AOKP.
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063_XOBX said:
That's what they always say. Not impressed.
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Engadget wouldn't post that information unless it was from a source inside of Google. Unlike some of these crack pot bloggers, they actually have real sources.

bozzykid said:
Engadget wouldn't post that information unless it was from a source inside of Google. Unlike some of these crack pot bloggers, they actually have real sources.
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They used to....

obsanity said:
They used to....
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If it was from an external source, they would tell you their sources. Since they didn't, then you can be almost 100% positive it was from someone inside of Google.

obsanity said:
They used to....
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Myriam Joire is the real deal man. She has great sources, and I've yet to ever hear her say anything that hasn't been reliable, credible, and ultimately proven true.
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Even I can estimate like this lol.
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uansari1 said:
Myriam Joire is the real deal man. She has great sources, and I've yet to ever hear her say anything that hasn't been reliable, credible, and ultimately proven true.
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Myriam is a guy.

karnoff said:
Myriam is a guy.
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Uhh, no, Myriam is a woman according to her Engadget bio page. Yes, she may look like a man (all joking aside), but she is not.

I wish, it would have better battery life
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The reason there is such a delay this time around has to deal with the fact google has removed the support from cdma devices officially. This means in order to supply updates, we have to wait for sprint. Currently Sprint is bitter about the who deal. We are the ones who will suffer in the long run.
Same for why the gnex for sprint isn't out quite yet.

lithid-cm said:
The reason there is such a delay this time around has to deal with the fact google has removed the support from cdma devices officially. This means in order to supply updates, we have to wait for sprint. Currently Sprint is bitter about the who deal. We are the ones who will suffer in the long run.
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The release was pulled from T-mobile and never existed for AT&T. So unless you are saying those are CDMA carriers as well, your theory makes no sense. All 3 device types currently are waiting for an ICS update. Google is surely working to make that happen. But Sprint isn't holding up the release (at least not yet) because it doesn't even exist. And Google removing CDMA from ASOP has no bearing on the speed at which they provide the update. The process is the same. The problem is the lack of understanding of why CDMA was pulled from ASOP and the sensationalist articles spewing incorrect information has probably confused you.

Tired of waiting..
I think Google takes too long to release an OTA!

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The release was pulled from T-mobile and never existed for AT&T. So unless you are saying those are CDMA carriers as well, your theory makes no sense. All 3 device types currently are waiting for an ICS update. Google is surely working to make that happen. But Sprint isn't holding up the release (at least not yet) because it doesn't even exist. And Google removing CDMA from ASOP has no bearing on the speed at which they provide the update. The process is the same. The problem is the lack of understanding of why CDMA was pulled from ASOP and the sensationalist articles spewing incorrect information has probably confused you.
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I guess you work with stuff on a daily basis? This is a google phone, if you don't think GSM variants are not affected by google move to drop cdma support your mistaken. There is alot more that goes on behind the scenes the push code > compile > update. Countless documents, this need to get removed, shuffled and put back into order once again. Instead of google being about to push updates with the help of carriers, google and the nexus s is now fragmented. To ensure a proper release cycle it will take longer then expected. Pulling a phone from official support isn't like dropping your kids off at school.

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I guess you work with stuff on a daily basis? This is a google phone, if you don't think GSM variants are not affected by google move to drop cdma support your mistaken. There is alot more that goes on behind the scenes the push code > compile > update. Countless documents, this need to get removed, shuffled and put back into order once again. Instead of google being about to push updates with the help of carriers, google and the nexus s is now fragmented. To ensure a proper release cycle it will take longer then expected. Pulling a phone from official support isn't like dropping your kids off at school.
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Actually, Google didn't drop support for the CMDA variants except in ASOP. So there is no change in the way they rolled out updates. So you are saying they pulled the buggy release because they anticipated dropping CDMA months later? I guess the AT&T version didn't get the release in December because they were dropping CDMA support several months later? I feel like you are drawing conclusions that aren't even there.

Jelly Bean Update Rolling Out Tomorrow

http://brobuffet.com/2012/07/18/nexus-s-jelly-bean-roll-out-coming-tomorrow/

you know I just wanna put something out there... Google said mid-july (not sure if they said only for galaxy nexus or for all devices) but can anyone see the same thing happening with jelly bean as did with ICS? this is gonna be a brutal wait i guarentee....
I'm only saying this to jinx myself and hopefully the OTA comes tmrw.

This is just speculation.

Of course it's coming out tomorrow....just like it came out yesterday, the day before, on friday....because if Vodafone Australia says it's coming out tomorrow, that means it's true
I do hope it's gonna come out soon, but I doubt it's gonna be tomorrow, just because a provider says it is.

MRsf27 said:
you know I just wanna put something out there... Google said mid-july (not sure if they said only for galaxy nexus or for all devices) but can anyone see the same thing happening with jelly bean as did with ICS? this is gonna be a brutal wait i guarentee....
I'm only saying this to jinx myself and hopefully the OTA comes tmrw.
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Yeah, hopefully it will. I don't see why it wouldn't
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This is just speculation.
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Speculation it may be, but Google have confirmed a "mid-July" release, and if Vodafone say it's coming tomorrow we have no reason to disbelieve.
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Of course it's coming out tomorrow....just like it came out yesterday, the day before, on friday....because if Vodafone Australia says it's coming out tomorrow, that means it's true
I do hope it's gonna come out soon, but I doubt it's gonna be tomorrow, just because a provider says it is.
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If a provider has set a time and date so close, I don't see why it wouldn't be released tomorrow. Yes, it is possible that the release may be delayed but I can't think why. Manufacturers have had early access to Jelly Bean so it's about time some devices received updates.
EDIT : There have been no other official claims of an official release. Mid-July is all people had to go on. But people started making silly guesses. Many thought it would be released on the 4th or the 13th. But there was little reason for this.

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If a provider has set a time and date so close, I don't see why it wouldn't be released tomorrow. Yes, it is possible that the release may be delayed but I can't think why. Manufacturers have had early access to Jelly Bean so it's about time some devices received updates.
EDIT : There have been no other official claims of an official release. Mid-July is all people had to go on. But people started making silly guesses. Many thought it would be released on the 4th or the 13th. But there was little reason for this.
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I'm just gonna wait for an official Google announcement. Providers can say whatever they want just to make people buy things.
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There's about 5 topics about this already, including a locked one like four topics down
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There's about 5 topics about this already, including a locked one like four topics down
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My bad. But I fail to see any threads in the Nexus S General Forum :S There is one regarding a French carrier.

Yes, they said mid-july for all devices.
Difference to ICS: We have an announced release-date (more or less exact). Last time they shipped 4.0.3 as a surprise, pulled it after a few days and then remained silent for 3 months until 4.0.4 came out.
Big difference.

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I'm just gonna wait for an official Google announcement. Providers can say whatever they want just to make people buy things.
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There won't be anymore announcements.. Google already said mid-July.. The last announcement they will probably do will be the day that OTA will start, but they don't need to... And I'm not sure why would Vodafone lie with it to gain more costumers (or buy Nexus S), since you can't buy it from providers already

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There won't be anymore announcements.. Google already said mid-July.. The last announcement they will probably do will be the day that OTA will start, but they don't need to... And I'm not sure why would Vodafone lie with it to gain more costumers (or buy Nexus S), since you can't buy it from providers already
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I was referring to a "We're rolling out the OTA for the Nexus S" announcement.

I'm not German, but here is some info too
http://m.diepresse.com/home/techscience/mobil/android/1268697/index.do
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lowtje said:
I'm not German, but here is some info too
http://m.diepresse.com/home/techscience/mobil/android/1268697/index.do
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The article just repeats the Vodafone OZ info.
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lowtje said:
I'm not German, but here is some info too
http://m.diepresse.com/home/techscience/mobil/android/1268697/index.do
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just a recap what vodafone says.
I dont get why everyone feels the need to open up a new thread about this instead of going to the countdown thread! You guys seriously need to think about your lifes. Get out, do something fun and for god'S sake leave your computer or xda untouched for a day. It's really not healthy to be so obsessed about JB. I'm excited, too but i'd rather go for a sunbath than sitting in front of my computer waiting for an ota which does not come.
Why are you even so excited about what a carrier or a french blog says? I don't give a single sh... about them. I'm just interested in what google says. Don't get your hopes up cause of this! You will most likely just be disappointed. Same thing with these screenshots about the 4.0.4 ota with this date. Everyone is so damn sure that JB will be pushed when we hit this date. So, OTA is expected to hit us FOR SURE!!! every day since like the 8th...
Long story short: CHILL OUT!!
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Damn right Mike.b93... Do I see some similarity with iphoners sleeping on the street just to be the first to get a 5S or a 6S?
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joliv said:
Damn right Mike.b93... Do I see some similarity with iphoners sleeping on the street just to be the first to get a 5S or a 6S?
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We are at least as insane as iPhone users. except we are not sleeping in the street waiting for a new phone, we are staying awake waiting for a freaking OTA! At first i did that too but to be honest after a few days it gets way too pathetic for me. I enjoy my life outside the house. Thats how I wait! and i can recommend that!

Guess we all love the Nexus S...I was anxious too when going from GB to ICS. Best is left time roll and get JB when time comes not beeing a priority... But that comes with age though
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the lack of excitement here is unfathomable. of course its exciting and besides its the dead of winter for me so I have no sun to bathe in.

Brobuffet? Oh dear.....
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yeah i think all voda customers are going ot be happy here in australia. its a pity i bought my phone from voda then unlocked it and am using it with a diff carrier. do if anyone gets the update, can they post the link here?