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and a video teardown for good measure.
so, what about this T-mobile 3G nonsense?
in November 2011 Skyworks announced that they would be providing their Multimode, Multiband (MMMB) power amplifier modules. in their press release they discussed two different chips the Skyworks SKY77606 and the SKY77604. for our purposes here the only difference we need to worry about is the SKY77604 support's T-mo's 3G and the 77606 does not. up until now nobody knew which of the two chips the Note was using in it. you can find the press release Here
if you can't see which one i'm talking about
it's hard to see. but the number on the top row says SKY77604. all we need now is the proper Modem/software modifications to enable 3G.
big thanks to XDA.cn for doing the teardown. you can find the original pictures here. Clicky
you can find detailed schematics and information for the SKY77604 here Clicky
There's a couple important points from that Skyworks page.
"This functionality covers multiple bands for 3GPP including bands I, II, IV, IX, X, V, VIII."
"The module is fully programmable through a Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI). "
For an exaplanation of bands, for those who need to become familar. Band I = 2100 MHz, Band IV = 1700 MHz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The part about "fully programmable" through SPI is encouraging if Samsung doesn't already take care of T-Mobile support.
StarTAC Fan said:
There's a couple important points from that Skyworks page.
"This functionality covers multiple bands for 3GPP including bands I, II, IV, IX, X, V, VIII."
"The module is fully programmable through a Serial Peripheral Interface (SPI). "
For an exaplanation of bands, for those who need to become familar. Band I = 2100 MHz, Band IV = 1700 MHz.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
The part about "fully programmable" through SPI is encouraging if Samsung doesn't already take care of T-Mobile support.
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even if/when T-mobile decides to bring the Galaxy Note to the US it will probably end up with a Snapdragon chipset in it to further push the '42mbps' phone thing.
I don't understand that part about why the CPU needs to be nerfed in order to achieve a higher bandwidth.
In any case, the point here is that T Mobile doesn't need to retail the GNote. You provided evidence that currently shipping model is theoretically enabled for use on T-Mobile. Or is that the point?
Yes that was the point the hardware is capable of running TMO 1700/2100, so that said, The real problem is figuring which radio modem that can be adapted (ported) to the Note so it will recognize those bands and use them correctly.
Of Course... that is........ nothing else is needed. But this is all good news
oka1 said:
Yes that was the point the hardware is capable of running TMO 1700/2100, so that said, The real problem is figuring which radio modem that can be adapted (ported) to the Note so it will recognize those bands and use them correctly.
Of Course... that is........ nothing else is needed. But this is all good news
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you cannot just copy any radio.img and enable t-mobile bands. the radio and ril will need to be reverse engineered for it to work.
i suspect the Meizu Mx also uses the SKY77604, trying to hunt down the Modem from that now to see if we can learn anything. (it has Pentaband 3G enabled)
WANT GALAXY NOTE ON T-MOBILE FTLOG
thats FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I swear I said somewhere Ill put $20 on whoever can get that happening... no its not alot, but enough people put in and it will add up... besides, how can I afford the thing If I am paying out the arse for the bounty
tids2k said:
you cannot just copy any radio.img and enable t-mobile bands. the radio and ril will need to be reverse engineered for it to work.
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Of course, I was not saying that, but for sake of discussion here, in simple terms having something that is compatible and similar will take a lot of the reverse engineering experimentation and guess work off the table....... ergo not starting from zero.
It would be WAY easier if Samsung would just release that part of the code necessary for us to work off of.......... but I will file that wish with my chances of winning the lottery
Hammerfest said:
WANT GALAXY NOTE ON T-MOBILE FTLOG
thats FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I swear I said somewhere Ill put $20 on whoever can get that happening... no its not alot, but enough people put in and it will add up... besides, how can I afford the thing If I am paying out the arse for the bounty
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+1 !!! WE ALL DO I have emailed Samsung John , Ann and all the others I know...and only get no-information happy talk
Hammerfest said:
WANT GALAXY NOTE ON T-MOBILE FTLOG
thats FOR THE LOVE OF GOD... I swear I said somewhere Ill put $20 on whoever can get that happening... no its not alot, but enough people put in and it will add up... besides, how can I afford the thing If I am paying out the arse for the bounty
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Ill put $50 down for T-Mobile!
Sent from my Beastly SGS2!
please, my LTE enabled Kor. Version Galaxy Note is miserably connecting to T-Mobile EDGE only....
rootuser11 said:
please, my LTE enabled Kor. Version Galaxy Note is miserably connecting to T-Mobile EDGE only....
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the korean Galaxy Note has a snapdragon chipset right? if so nothing going on in here will apply to that. since i can't imagine it uses the same power amplifier.
best you can do is try to flash a T989 (T-mo US SGS II) modem and see if that makes a difference. i can't imagine it will work though.
can you try dialing *#2263# from your main dialer and take a screen shot of what shows up under WCDMA bands?
Man if we get T-Mo and Pentaband support on this phone I may just have to sell my GSM nexus.
duowing said:
Man if we get T-Mo and Pentaband support on this phone I may just have to sell my GSM nexus.
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right now everything is in place, just need to attract some Dev attention to get working on it. i'm reaching out to everyone i have connections to in an attempt to draw as much attention to this as possible.
crazy talk said:
the korean Galaxy Note has a snapdragon chipset right? if so nothing going on in here will apply to that. since i can't imagine it uses the same power amplifier.
best you can do is try to flash a T989 (T-mo US SGS II) modem and see if that makes a difference. i can't imagine it will work though.
can you try dialing *#2263# from your main dialer and take a screen shot of what shows up under WCDMA bands?
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that code does not work on my note.
*#1234# works but shows nothing to do with modem.
and before that, i wish someone helps me with rooting this one.
if anything, it seems similar to Skyrocket, but to flash or anything, i need root access first, right?
zergRush does not work.
I've been waiting for some kind of update for the Galaxy note and this is good news
Don't say i never did anything for the community. here's your smoking gun.
crazy talk said:
Don't say i never did anything for the community. here's your smoking gun.
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It would suck if despite that, 3G still eventually never works on T-Mobile due to a lack of developers getting this phone. I won't hold my breath though.
Geez, I wish this would work with the T-Mobile spectrum! I'm willing also to anti up $20 for the bounty!
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Can you kindly check your phones to see if quad band UMTS is supported? Very curious to see if 850/1900 3g/HSPA are supported out of the box.
I think on the SGS, the code to view bands was *#2263#
Many thanks in advance!
2100, 1900, 900, 850
Epedemic said:
2100, 1900, 900, 850
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Sweet! Just made my day
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Epedemic said:
2100, 1900, 900, 850
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Pics or it didn't happen.
Seriously, though, I'll sleep a lot better if I can get a screenshot showing that.
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That doesn't mean they are working. Many android phones show freqs in the service menu that they are not capable of.
nomisunrider said:
That doesn't mean they are working. Many android phones show freqs in the service menu that they are not capable of.
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Yes, but in stock form, those bands are NEVER enabled. Stock SGS only (and accurately) showed 3 bands enabled for WCDMA in automatic mode (see below), so this is VERY good news!
Thanks a bunch guys!!!
Any reason why expansys is telling their customers that the phones are locked down to two bands?
ph00ny said:
Any reason why expansys is telling their customers that the phones are locked down to two bands?
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Well, like I asked the other gentleman who said he talked to "Expansys employees that claim to have been playing with an I9100 and it only showed 2 bands for UMTS supported"... HOW did Expansys do this exactly?
If it was Expansys in the UK (which is the only location where they would have the handsets at this time), they can't test the 850/1900 bands. Then, at the time they claimed to have seen only dual UMTS band support, root wasn't available so no way could they have checked the actual bands enabled.
My guess: They were talking out of their ass.
Its normal for only two 3G bands to be enabled at once in my own experience with unlocked phones. There may be exceptions but I havent run into them over quite a few phones from moto, SE HTC or nokia. I had read this was due to battery life and the fact that you are not going to be anywhere where you can use three of them. The question is I think if expansys knew what they were doing when they tried to switch to the 850/1900. The phone would have needed to be rooted I believe based on what I read and whether they took this step is an unknown. If they had switched over the fact that it showed 850/1900 enabled and they were dumped to 2G would be pretty good evidence it worked. I am surprised we have not yet had anyone drop an at&t sim in a rooted phone yet and put this to rest. My trigger button is most twitchy.....
krabman said:
Its normal for only two 3G bands to be enabled at once in my own experience with unlocked phones. There may be exceptions but I havent run into them over quite a few phones from moto, SE HTC or nokia.
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Don't know about all those other phones, but if you look at my Samsung Galaxy S (unlocked) automatic band selection screenshot for 3g/WCMDA, it accurately only has the 3 supported bands enabled. 850, which its hardware does not support, is automatically disabled.
If these I9100s are on automatic mode, then I fully believe that 850 is indeed supported.
The point is that normally only two of them will actually work at once, not three or four. They can all be enabled but enabled and actually working at the same time is a different story.
edit... You keep on preaching to the choir btw, I think it works too, my point all along is you dont know it works until it actually does. Been right here in this exact spot and burned before. Dont think it will happen in this case but it can happen. For me when someone has it working it works. Until then I think it should work but dont know for a fact. Neither do you. As of my typing this not a single person has reported it working on AT&T bands or even being able to actually switch to and enable them in any search I have done which would last be about as long as it took me to type this ago.
Many phones shows frequencies in the service menu that they are not capable of. For example, the T-mobile G2X...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13039472&highlight=menu#post13039259
I agree that it "should" work, but like the g2x, we will not know for sure until someone actually does it.
krabman said:
The point is that normally only two of them will actually work at once, not three or four. They can all be enabled but enabled and actually working at the same time is a different story.
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Yeah, I think we're again in violent agreement, that's why I'm not preaching to you specifically. BTW, where is the technical proof that since my SGS has 3 UMTS bands enabled default, only 2 of them work at anytime? I work in antenna design, and from my understanding of band selection for most wireless chips, they don't necessarily work in pairs.
nomisunrider said:
Many phones shows frequencies in the service menu that they are not capable of. For example, the T-mobile G2X...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13039472&highlight=menu#post13039259
I agree that it "should" work, but like the g2x, we will not know for sure until someone actually does it.
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Your screen only shows that you can personally enable whatever band you want, doesn't show your phone's actual DEFAULTED/automatic mode enabled bands. You're not showing what every I9100 user above is showing. I hate to say it, but seriously, apples & oranges.
Since you're really bent on proving a point, can you show me which bands were ACTUALLY enabled with that g2x after you click on "Automatic?" Then, we'd be comparing the same thing.
Clove says SGSII will work on ATT bands
I have it in writing. I asked them directly and the response is below:
Apr 27
Hello, yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
TEL: +44 (0)1202 552936
FAX: +44 (0)1202 552937
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.clove.co.uk
Sebring5 said:
I have it in writing. I asked them directly and the response is below:
Apr 27
Hello, yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
TEL: +44 (0)1202 552936
FAX: +44 (0)1202 552937
Email: [email protected]
Website: www.clove.co.uk
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Thanks a bunch, but their response is a bit vague as they could be talking about just 2G/Edge + Voice over quad-band GSM. We are debating the quad-band UMTS 3G/HSPA support that is specified on Samsung's website, but has been challenged as of late.
cmd512 said:
Thanks a bunch, but their response is a bit vague as they could be talking about just 2G/Edge + Voice over quad-band GSM. We are debating the quad-band UMTS 3G/HSPA support that is specified on Samsung's website, but has been challenged as of late.
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This was the question put to them:
Will this phone support all ATT voice and data frequencies? I plan to use it with an ATT sim card. If it will not work with the ATT sim card, I need to cancel the order. The phone will be useless to me.
Their answer on April 27:
Hello yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
Sebring5 said:
This was the question put to them:
Will this phone support all ATT voice and data frequencies? I plan to use it with an ATT sim card. If it will not work with the ATT sim card, I need to cancel the order. The phone will be useless to me.
Their answer:
Hello yes the Samsung Galaxy S 2 has been confirmed to work with AT&T voice and data network across the USA
Regards
Sales Team
Clove Technology
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Right, but you didn't specify 3G/HSPA speeds on AT&T data. UMTS/3G bands are separate from your normal GSM quad-bands. The GSM quad-bands will still give you AT&T voice and data, but the data portion will only be 2G/Edge speeds at best.
Hope this helps to clarify why Clove's response is somewhat vague.
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what we know so far:
Samsung Galaxy S II LTE™ smartphone
AWS for connectivity on the Rogers LTE network
Tri-band HSPA+/Quad-band EDGE for connectivity on the Rogers 4G HSPA+ network and international roaming
Device download speeds up to 75 Mbps*
Dual-core 1.5 GHz processor
4.5” WVGA Super AMOLED Plus touchscreen (480x800)
Android 2.3 operating system
1GB RAM; 16GB internal memory
8MP rear camera with flash, 2MP front facing camera
cpu : model armv7 proc (vfpv3, neon)
gpu : vendor qualcomm
renderer : adreno tm 220
Stock Firmware:
PDA : I727RUXKJ6
PHONE : I727RUXKJ6
CSC : I727RRWCKJ6
CAM FW VER : SDEH0D
PHONE FW VER : SDEH0D
ISP VER : FUJITSU M5MOLS
HW : REV_1.3
phone operates on the following bands on rogers network.
1700/2100 and 2500/2600 bands are being used.
bell is following suit since the 2500/2600 bands are shared with rogers in their joint Inushuk wimax venture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inukshuk_Wireless
they will continue to use these bands and will probobly dual band LTE once they get 700MHz spec after the auction if CRTC lets them bid for it.
1700/2100MHz
AWS (Sector 4 5 et 6 LTE)
UL (1710MHz - 1755MHz)
DL (2110MHz - 2155MHz)
2500/2600MHz
IMText (Sector 7 8 et 9 LTE )
UL (2500MHz - 2570MHz)
DL (2620MHz - 2690MHz)
yes i am the first.
read about it here.
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/10/25/r...mber-of-samsung-galaxy-s-ii-lte-to-customers/
Can you confirm the RADIO bands?
which frequencies are market at the back of the box if any?
AllGamer said:
Can you confirm the RADIO bands?
which frequencies are market at the back of the box if any?
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there is no stickers on box. i can check escreens. one second. upping more pics.
just trying to figure out which radio bands Rogers is using for their "AWS LTE"
and perhaps it might be compatible with the AWS carriers in Canada
ten characters.
of the shaky hand pictures (or perhaps macro mode was not set in the camera) i made out it was model
SGH-727 or perhaps SGH-#727?
AllGamer said:
of the shaky hand pictures (or perhaps macro mode was not set in the camera) i made out it was model
SGH-727 or perhaps SGH-#727?
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SGH-i727 on back sticker SGH-i727R in android OS about screen.
pictures were taken with a LG Optimus 3D
infamouskid said:
SGH-i727 on back sticker SGH-i727R in android OS about screen.
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nice thanks!
trying to google up the specs of the phone
OHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
the Samsung SGH-i727 comes with LTE radios supporting both AT&T’s 700MHz band and T-Mobile 1700MHz AWS bands
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...FCC-looks-like-a-Galaxy-S-II-with-LTE_id21794
AllGamer said:
OHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...FCC-looks-like-a-Galaxy-S-II-with-LTE_id21794
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yeah but this model as well as telus variant are rumoured to only support AWS bands for roaming.
it's said these models will not support AWS as native home network options.
I'll unlock and test this sucker out when my buddy gets in. he's with wind.
rogers called me yesterday and asked if i wanted to do that...
i was 7th on the reserve list. I had to work.. they even offered to pick me up in cab to come to the store.
infamouskid said:
yeah but this model as well as telus variant are rumoured to only support AWS bands for roaming.
it's said these models will not support AWS as native home network options.
I'll unlock and test this sucker out when my buddy gets in. he's with wind.
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that would be great!
i'm pretty sure it should work once unlocked
just like the reversal on Tmo USA people buying it to unlock it and use it on AT&T
AllGamer said:
that would be great!
i'm pretty sure it should work once unlocked
just like the reversal on Tmo USA people buying it to unlock it and use it on AT&T
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some interesting stuff playing around in the e screens..
there is an evdo mode option and prl screens.
i was not aware of this until now. i will keep playing around and see what else i can find.
SAMOLED HD screen?
Killer Bee said:
SAMOLED HD screen?
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how do i determine that?
it looks like the bell sgs 2 amoled screen are they the same?
how about taking a pic of the phone box, it should listed what bands the phone support.
i love to get this phone if it works on att LTE network. wait, there' no att LTE in my area yet.
netnerd said:
how about taking a pic of the phone box, it should listed what bands the phone support.
i love to get this phone if it works on att LTE network. wait, there' no att LTE in my area yet.
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there is no sticker on the box.
the box is shiny cardboard piano black with some reflective stripes.
i remember there was a command that allowed me to select the bands manual in the galaxy s vibrant but i forgot the command to do it so i can check for you.
i'd love to do a video review for you guys.
if there is anyone that works in the industry and is a local in toronto who would like to review this unit on youtube i am more then happy to allow you to play with this phone for the viewers. pm me.
Killer Bee said:
SAMOLED HD screen?
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nope this is still the regular 800x480 screen SAMOLED+
not SAMOLED HD
infamouskid said:
there is no sticker on the box.
the box is shiny cardboard piano black with some reflective stripes.
i remember there was a command that allowed me to select the bands manual in the galaxy s vibrant but i forgot the command to do it so i can check for you.
i'd love to do a video review for you guys.
if there is anyone that works in the industry and is a local in toronto who would like to review this unit on youtube i am more then happy to allow you to play with this phone for the viewers. pm me.
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more importantly can you get the unlock code?
so we can test the Wind / Mobilicity
so far everything is pointing out to be same phone as the SGH-T989 (Hercules)
how does the battery seem to be holding up while on LTE?
Anyone knows it this thing supports TMobile 1700/2100 AWS Band? I am eagerly waiting for this device that will support TMobile USA AWS band/Wind Mobile Canada or Penta Band.
Or at least 3g?
As it was just announced, your going to have to wait a bit for details. As fare as well know its the same Note as ever, just with LTE compatibility on Korea.(which would NOT work on T-Mobile)
I read 1.5Hz 32gb and all bands.
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I can't find any info on bands and i'm looking hard
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GSM Arena says CDMA: http://www.gsmarena.com/ltepacking_samsung_galaxy_note_goes_live_in_korea-news-3446.php
This doesn't sound right because their still saying it has a Exynos chipset in it and all the other Korean articles say 1.5 snapdragon so right now we need more solid info on specs and performance
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Yeah their saying the only change was the 4g lte. But on samsung.Korea site it says 1.5hz and not 1.4hz
Im lost
STOP BEING LOST!
jkjk...
but seriously, want the damn Galaxy Note on TMobile...
Hey, so there's been a lot of discussion on whether or not the new S.Korean version of the SGN will support the 1700mHz band.
It has been reported that it is CDMA.
If you go to wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
and go down 3/4 of the page to where it says "Other Regions" you'll see the following:
"CDMA S. Korea 1750–1780 1840–1870"
That would seem to say that it will indeed support T-Mobile...
thoughts?
-GT
gerizafa said:
Hey, so there's been a lot of discussion on whether or not the new S.Korean version of the SGN will support the 1700mHz band.
It has been reported that it is CDMA.
If you go to wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
and go down 3/4 of the page to where it says "Other Regions" you'll see the following:
"CDMA S. Korea 1750–1780 1840–1870"
That would seem to say that it will indeed support T-Mobile...
thoughts?
-GT
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I don't understand. T-Mobile uses GSM. CDMA is a different technology than GSM. Why would you expect a CDMA phone to be usable on a GSM network?
Hey thanks! Whew, got a bit excited seeing the 1700 band in there, but if their 1700 band is only for CDMA, then you are quite right... no tmobile... but then verizon people could start getting excited...
-GT
Sigh, if this phone had T-Mobile bands, I would pay with cold hard cash right now. =(
Sucks that we can't even get the Exynos version of this, at least not for another year until Samsung makes a new phone with a new SoC that sports T-Mobile's bands.
Ditch T-Mobile and get straight talk. T-Mobile sucks anyway.
I just gotta ask.... why do people say T-mobile sucks?
I don't understand as I've only ever had great reception with them and great speeds. Plus my phone bill is smaller than if I went to AT&T, and I get more data and minutes. I have many times over the years been with friends or family who can't get reception on AT&T or Verizon and there I am rockin it on T-Mobile. In fact, some of my friends who use AT&T have started saying "More dropped calls in More places" about their AT&T service.
I mean if someone said AT&T sucks, I'd totally agree. They charge an arm and a let, they limit your data, and give you crap for minutes, and from what I see my friends experience, their coverage sucks in comparison to T-Mobile.
But that's just been my friends and family and my experience.
GT
-UPDATE-
Oh yeah, and if you're checking out the threads here, you'll see loads of people having issues with AT&T now shutting down their data on their SGN. So... AT&T doesn't really seem like a ride I want to buy a ticket for.
Who said anything about AT&T? I said straight talk. They use AT&T towers but have much better pricing. T-Mobile sucks because their phone selection is lacking and now because of their frequencies, you can't even get the Note.
5150Joker said:
Who said anything about AT&T? I said straight talk. They use AT&T towers but have much better pricing. T-Mobile sucks because their phone selection is lacking and now because of their frequencies, you can't even get the Note.
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How does the pricing look like on Straight Talk?
Been out of contract for close to a year now, just rocking an old HD2 that still works. Been so itchy with all these giga-sized screen phones.
Any new information available?
Hey guys I was it a store in Italy today they carry the note for purchase without a contract on this company called TIM.
I checked the specs on the box it has the correct T-Mobile bands.
699.99 euro
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http://www.gsmarena.com/dualcore_snapdragon_s4_confirmed_for_verizon_galaxy_s_iii-news-4244.php
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http://www.gsmarena.com/dualcore_snapdragon_s4_confirmed_for_verizon_galaxy_s_iii-news-4244.php
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Att is getting the exynos quad-core version like Rogers.
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This isn't a bad thing, but it is also underwhelming. Every high end phone released in the US markets has the same SoC. Software battles are not very interesting, at least to me. On ATT both of the high end Android phones are very similar in terms of hardware with the HTC One X arguably being better since it is already out and has a better screen. Not sure what samsung was thinking with putting out a phone with the same internals as a rival a couple months later.
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Att is getting the exynos quad-core version like Rogers.
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And who said that Rogers is getting an Exynoes version... the only evidence was a ad generated by google... unless you have another source.
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And who said that Rogers is getting an Exynoes version... the only evidence was a ad generated by google... unless you have another source.
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This ad banner...
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Until something more concrete appears, I'm going with this from the article...
"Of course an ad banner is hardly conclusive"
http://www.androidcentral.com/ad-ba...y-s-iii-could-feature-new-exynos-chip-and-lte
From the New Orleans event. Note the use of the word "optimized."
“Samsung Mobile is planning a U.S. version of Galaxy S III, optimized for the fastest LTE and HSPA+ networks in the U.S., which will be available in the summer of 2012. Exact timing and retail channel availability is not being announced at this time. We believe the Galaxy S III is the most anticipated product in the 20-year history of Samsung Mobile; therefore, we will continue to share information as it becomes available.” – Samsung
This could play out two ways...
1) Samsung's developed a GSM LTE-capable version of the Exynos chip and it will be used everywhere it can be. In North America that would mean Rogers, AT&T, and Sprint. Since CDMA's so limited, the VZW SGS3 would likely use the S4 chip. T-Mobile would likely get S4 also because S4 supports AWS and when faced with the same choice in the SGS2 they went Qualcomm vs. developing their own AWS radio. If Samsung was going this route, there's no reason they wouldn't have said so at the UnBoxed event.
2) LTE and AWS SGS3's will all be S4. Either because Samsung didn't have time to integrate LTE, couldn't match the S4's fantastic battery life, or that it might actually be cheaper. Samsung builds great SoC's but they have no track record (yet) in radios. There were no repercussions (other than some customer disappointment) when Samsung went this route last time. Also, when they did, they waited until right up to launch to disclose that the U.S. market wasn't getting Exynos (except the non-LTE AT&T version).
I have no idea which way it'll go (and neither do any of you). I wouldn't bet odds in Vegas based on a misplaced banner ad.
If you think AT&T is going to fragment the sales/updates as far as one that is quad-core/hspa/3G and one that is Dual-Core/HSPA/LTE, you are mistaken. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
There will be one model, one that is usable on the LTE network.
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If you think AT&T is going to fragment the sales/updates as far as one that is quad-core/hspa/3G and one that is Dual-Core/HSPA/LTE, you are mistaken. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.
There will be one model, one that is usable on the LTE network.
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Yeah sure. Too bad that's not true with the SGS2 and the SGS2 Skyrocket....
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Yeah sure. Too bad that's not true with the SGS2 and the SGS2 Skyrocket....
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That was last year. We're into the LTE (True 4G) era.
Regardless. I'll have fun watching some of you waiting on that Quad Core.
bbeelzebub said:
That was last year. We're into the LTE (True 4G) era.
Regardless. I'll have fun watching some of you waiting on that Quad Core.
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Again, no evidence whatsoever that you will be getting a Exynos + 4G LTE radio with Verizon.
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Yeah sure. Too bad that's not true with the SGS2 and the SGS2 Skyrocket....
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That U.S. introduction of the SGS2 was one of the strangest launches ever. First, it took Samsung and the U.S. carriers six months after the UK launch to bring it to the U.S. Then all but the AT&T version were totally different phones based on the Asian Celox and SGS2's in name only. If you remember the launch event, the T-Mobile version was locked in a Plexiglas box and not allowed to be touched. VZW skipped the SGS2 entirely. On top of that, two weeks after it launched, AT&T announced the SkyRocket which was a Celox variant and closer to the other U.S. carrier versions. Samsung’s in a much more powerful position than they were last go round so hopefully the phones will be less molested and the introduction better synchronized.
When the OG SGS2 launched on AT&T they hadn't even lit up their first LTE city. It would be strange for them to launch another high-end HSPA+ phone with as fast as they are growing (and pushing) their LTE network. But, based on the SGS2 launch, anything's possible.
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That U.S. introduction of the SGS2 was one of the strangest launches ever. First, it took Samsung and the U.S. carriers six months after the UK launch to bring it to the U.S. Then all but the AT&T version were totally different phones based on the Asian Celox and SGS2's in name only. If you remember the launch event, the T-Mobile version was locked in a Plexiglas box and not allowed to be touched. VZW skipped the SGS2 entirely. On top of that, two weeks after it launched, AT&T announced the SkyRocket which was a Celox variant and closer to the other U.S. carrier versions. Samsung’s in a much more powerful position than they were last go round so hopefully the phones will be less molested and the introduction better synchronized.
When the OG SGS2 launched on AT&T they hadn't even lit up their first LTE city. It would be strange for them to launch another high-end HSPA+ phone with as fast as they are growing (and pushing) their LTE network. But, based on the SGS2 launch, anything's possible.
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I think the transition to LTE was difficult for Samsung and satisfying their customers. Then having to design multiple variants on top of that some with the S3 and LTE radio and some without it.
It takes hours and hours of meetings, designing, quality control, etc. I could already predict all the trouble that all parties had to go through, Samsung, Sprint, T-Mobile etc. If it wasn't for our wide population, I wouldn't be surprised if Samsung said "the hell with the US" and just stuck with releasing one type, the international version for everyone else.
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Again, no evidence whatsoever that you will be getting a Exynos + 4G LTE radio with Verizon.
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I never claimed otherwise.
I think there is sufficient proof out that Verizon will be getting a Qualcomm S4, just like Sprint... just like AT&T..... just like T-Mobile.
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I think there is sufficient proof out that Verizon will be getting a Qualcomm S4
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Almost certain.
just like Sprint...
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Likely as their CDMA/LTE like VZW.
just like AT&T.....
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Competely unknown.
just like T-Mobile.
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Completely unknown but AWS is easier on S4.
Greetings XDA,
After some research, I've determined it to be a distinct possibility that the OnePlus X (possibly others) have built in software limitations.
In a recent tear down of the device (http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/OnePlus-x-teardown/) it was found that the device contains these two components:
Qualcomm WCN3680 RF chip
Qualcomm WTR1625L RF chip
Here are my findings of each of these parts.
Qualcomm WCN3680 RF chip
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...1ac-product-ecosystem-provide-end-end-gigabit
"the WCN3680 is a mobile 1x1 802.11ac combo Wi-Fi/Bluetooth/FM chip"
This article from Qualcomm states the the chip present in the OnePlus X supports wireless AC.
Qualcomm WTR1625L RF chip
https://www.qualcomm.com/news/relea...olution-enables-single-global-lte-design-next
"The WTR1625L can accommodate all cellular modes and 2G, 3G and 4G/LTE frequency bands and band combinations that are either deployed or in commercial planning globally."
This article from Qualcomm states that the chip present in the OnePlus X is capable of supporting ALL LTE frequencies in use, or in the planning stages of development, as of Febuary 21, 2013. Where are Bands 12 & 17?
Am I correct in my findings? Will we be able to enable these bands with this method? http://www.xda-developers.com/add-frequency-bands-qualcomm/
if youre correct then i guess those features require higher license fees
thus theyve disabled them to keep costs down
I reckon they have the right chips, but haven't included all of the antennas due to size constraints. ie there is a 2.5GHz antenna for wifi, but not enough room for a 5GHz one.
Good news is, "It is not a hardware limitation" The link if I'm right is not working??? Trying to follow you. Update this link works:
http://www.xda-developers.com/add-frequency-bands-qualcomm/
Fstop said:
Good news is, "It is not a hardware limitation" The link if I'm right is not working??? Trying to follow you. Update this link works:
http://www.xda-developers.com/add-frequency-bands-qualcomm/
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So you're saying 5GHz WIFI and all LTE frequencies can be unlocked?
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O, now I understand, it was just about the link working, not the real thing.
All chipsets with integrated modems supports virtually all 2G, 3G and 4G frequencies that are user worldwide.. They are not activated because of bureaucratic questions, like regulators approval, licensing fees, etc.. etc... There are some examples on this forum of persons who succeed on activating frequencies that were previously deactivated on Snapdragon equipped phones..
WiFi is another story, because if the phone don't have a 5G antenna, then the fact that the chipset supports it, doesn't change nothing, because it will never work.
As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).
Konno_Yuuki said:
As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).
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And post a thread immediately after you do so...
mundano said:
All chipsets with integrated modems supports virtually all 2G, 3G and 4G frequencies that are user worldwide.. They are not activated because of bureaucratic questions, like regulators approval, licensing fees, etc.. etc... There are some examples on this forum of persons who succeed on activating frequencies that were previously deactivated on Snapdragon equipped phones..
WiFi is another story, because if the phone don't have a 5G antenna, then the fact that the chipset supports it, doesn't change nothing, because it will never work.
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Thanks for clearing this up.
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As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).
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Much appreciated.
Konno_Yuuki said:
As I've mentioned in other related threads, once my OnePlus X arrives in the mail, I'll be sure to try my hand at unlocking band 17 since I have an active AT&T sim (I'll try band 12 too, but I can't verify that one).
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Any updates?
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Any updates?
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Steady progress. I've gotten as far as were I can read and write NV values. This has required a lot of setup, mainly for Windows to communicate with the phone properly. The major problem I'm facing is that any NV value I write does not stick after a reboot. Thus far I've only needed root, but I may need a patch flashed and that will require TWRP. The OnePlus One required a RMT patch, so I'm going to try that later tonight or early tomorrow, making any modifications as required.
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Steady progress. I've gotten as far as were I can read and write NV values. This has required a lot of setup, mainly for Windows to communicate with the phone properly. The major problem I'm facing is that any NV value I write does not stick after a reboot. Thus far I've only needed root, but I may need a patch flashed and that will require TWRP. The OnePlus One required a RMT patch, so I'm going to try that later tonight or early tomorrow, making any modifications as required.
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Very nice. Have you been able to test the added bands?
Makes me giddy thinking of all you pioneers hacking/developing for the OPX. This is the first time I've seen all these discoveries in real time rather than dug up the fossils of them months later.
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Posting here as this is a very cool thread to follow.
So apparently it seems someone may have picked up band 12 on their OPX. Heres a link to the post in the OPX forums in the official OP forums:
https://forums.oneplus.net/goto/post?id=14158562#post-14158562
Want to test it out myself since I currently have another phone that actually picks up band 12. If I'm able to pick up band 12 in the city I'll have my OPX on hand to verify that it can pick up band 12.
Shark87 said:
So apparently it seems someone may have picked up band 12 on their OPX. Heres a link to the post in the OPX forums in the official OP forums:
https://forums.oneplus.net/goto/post?id=14158562#post-14158562
Want to test it out myself since I currently have another phone that actually picks up band 12. If I'm able to pick up band 12 in the city I'll have my OPX on hand to verify that it can pick up band 12.
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The LTE discovery app is very unreliable on T-Mobile. There's many documented instances of false / incorrect information. It's the way T-Mobile sets up their network, it doesn't report the info, for apps to recognize the band.
The only true way to determine which band you're using would be to use the phones built-in service mode. Which the oneplus doesn't have ( I checked).
https://m.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/2w77an/tmobile_please_share_data_so_that_lte_discovery/
Also, here's the FCC approval document, oneplus or any company cannot add / change the radios without getting FCC approval.
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Very nice. Have you been able to test the added bands?
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I have not been able to. NVRAM values get loaded on boot. After unlocking my X's bootloader, I booted into TWRP and flashed the OPO's RMT storage patch. Let's just say it did not work out very well. Like cellular antenna not working at all, not so well. Thankfully I'm in the good habit of making backups before modifying anything and all is back to normal.
Any updates?
I don't understand One Plus. The One plus one, was/is such a great device. It put them on the map. The one x, is a beautifully designed phone. Why disabled/cripple the phone? To keep the price at $250? I would gladly pay $100 dollars more, for the one plus one, in the one plus x size, and design. I had to send mine back, because of lack of lte in my area on AT&T. Which by the way, I still haven't received a refund. And they received the phone back on 12/5. Their support is total crap!
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Well Qualcomm's anti-tamper code is getting the better of me. I've tried using the Blu_spark kernal, but this did not rid of the code. My next step it to try and see if I can't to the mod on CM and have it live once OxygenOS is back on. This assuming CM can take the mod in the first place. I don't really want to have to flash a ROM for this mod. I was hoping to keep things as simple as possible so more people would take advantage this mod. Again, this assumes everything works as I hope it does. I'm so close, yet so far.