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Ok, I'm getting this "phone". I've been sitting around waiting for a release date for what seems like a year now, lol.
Here is my one request, from the marvelous XDA dev community, who has never ceased to amaze me in the years I've been here.
I want this thing to do HDMI out. I'm not talking pushing a YouTube video out of the HDMI port, I want to see Android on my 24" monitor. I want to be able to use a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard to run the controls, and I want to be able to dock my Streak and use it on a larger display. 720p/1080p would be a huge bonus, but I have no idea what limitations are in place there.
Ok, that's it. Make that happen, and I will be very happy.
If you pay £55 for the Dell Home AV Kit it will do this I believe......
Granted, I don't have a Streak on which to try it out...but isn't that only for videos (YouTube, video files, etc)? As far as I'm aware, you don't get the actual desktop, right?
I don't have one either, but in a video I saw it appeared that the dock only pushes the video through the HDMI and not the android "desktop."
I too would love to be able to do this though!
Ah right thats not too good then, the Samsung Galaxy seems to be TV-Out and just replicated the system as on the screen, I'm thinking of buying a Nokia N900 to play with as it has TV out and would let me play SNES / Mega Drive games etc when I'm in a hotel room.
I wonder if full TV Out is something we could hack
£55 is a lot for just movies out...i was hoping for full android on my big tv
fracmo2000 said:
£55 is a lot for just movies out...i was hoping for full android on my big tv
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Yeah, that's for sure. Big deal, if I wanna watch just movies, I'll find a computer and do it. The power of HDMI-out is in being able to use Android on your phone on the go, and then docking it and using it as a netbook-replacement when at a desk (or as a HTPC when in the living room, etc.)
Give it a few months once the Chinese get their hands on it and they will churn out the Accessories and flood ebay
I need this also for a bmw idrive integration. I'm sure the community will crack it.
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i would love to do this while also running ubuntu it would be like christmas (or when i first heard about android) i would dock it and BAM i would have ubuntu then dissconnect it and id have android
sgeorge said:
I need this also for a bmw idrive integration. I'm sure the community will crack it.
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I just bought a BMW with the new 1280 pix CiC I-Drive display. With a Motorola Bionic, I'm hoping to send TV to the phone via SlingBox and send the HDMI out from the phone to the display in the car.
Thoughts?
This might be a rant, so I apologist up front but..........
When the dock costs 50 quid why does it only allow the video and audio to be outputted?
What I was hoping is that it could see the operating system and effectively act as a monitor and therefore a portable computer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=mypLbSnxECE
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Another trick dell have missed
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Maybe someone can write an app like they did for the DroidX that outputs everything you see on the screen.
Fazziebear said:
When the dock costs 50 quid why does it only allow the video and audio to be outputted?
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This is what majority of owners want - to watch a movie on TV and play some music.
The ability to have desktop on TV is useless for them - you cannot touch TV screen to press a button anyway...
But you can touch the dell, therefore touch screen monitor not required.
I also have 3 devices for watching films on my tv (cable, ps3 and dvd player) why do I need another one. But if I could replace them with something better I would.
The present function is not better but in fact worse as I have remotes for my other players
Hdmi out for the full phone means you can browse the internet, check emails via the tv, this becomes a media center that could rival apples iTv. As you could watch hulu, most british tv, love film streams, amazon etc straight from the device. If it was done via wireless or then it would be a remote also, the perfect device.
Short sighted developers and a lack of understanding of what is possible is the only thing blocking it.
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Fazziebear said:
But you can touch the dell, therefore touch screen monitor not required.
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But then you're looking at Streak screen, not the TV, right?
The desktop on TV is pointless...
Fazziebear said:
Hdmi out for the full phone means you can browse the internet, check emails via the tv, this becomes a media center that could rival apples iTv. As you could watch hulu, most british tv, love film streams, amazon etc straight from the device. If it was done via wireless or then it would be a remote also, the perfect device.
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You don't have to convince me that it is nice use case.
I am only saying that from Dell point of view it is so rare, that it's not worth working on it. ROI is to low.
You may support my effort for porting Maemo/MeeGo to Streak, though.
Maemo/MeeGo offers everything you mentioned and more.
Ie. I already have a working setup with bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected to my Nokia N900, which is connected to TV for display.
it would be preferable if the screen stayed "on" the telly (or monitor?) for everything though - saves going back and forth between the two screens. Can understand why it's not a priority for Dell though, but I think they'd sell more docks if it DID do full output....i'd probably buy one then!
I presume it's not possible for someone to develop something?..............
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But then you're looking at Streak screen, not the TV, right?
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Not really, The streak becomes the remote for the screen. Keyboard and track pad.
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You may support my effort for porting Maemo/MeeGo to Streak, though.
Maemo/MeeGo offers everything you mentioned and more.
Ie. I already have a working setup with bluetooth keyboard and mouse connected to my Nokia N900, which is connected to TV for display.
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Defo support bluetooth keyboard, not too bothered for a mouse, defo support an output to monitor.
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I would definitely buy a full HDMI app if one existed like one for the Streak.
clubtech said:
I would definitely buy a full HDMI app if one existed like one for the Streak.
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+1 In a New York minute.
Full HDMI support and BT Keyboard and Mouse! This combo will be the best! Just add a 42" flat tv and you've got a good everyday PC for multimedia, internet, email an so much more!
Is it possible without the use of android beem or a hdmi cable or a google tv or nexus q to show my android to my tv?
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Is it possible without the use of android beem or a hdmi cable or a google tv or nexus q to show my android to my tv?
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It seems at this point you won't be able to mirror your device without some additional hardware/software combo. Google wants you to start a google hardware family, which isn't out of the question if the price of the Q comes down some and there's some functionality that makes it worth it.
As it is now though everything I have with a screen talks to everything else with a screen but its still a bit haphazard to serve media in any different direction.
Hope this makes sense lol!
Luckily my lg smart tv has dnla so can stream from macbook / nexus over WiFi to tv.
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^^ How would you do this?
marmankites said:
Luckily my lg smart tv has dnla so can stream from macbook / nexus over WiFi to tv.
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I only used my nexus 7 for like 2 days because I returned it due to battery problem and I didn't have enough time to check to stream to my smart TV (DNLA). My phone can stream to my smart TV (DNLA). I'm waiting for nexus 7 to be in stock again. In the mean time, how did you get your nexus 7 to stream to your smart TV?
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I only used my nexus 7 for like 2 days because I returned it due to battery problem and I didn't have enough time to check to stream to my smart TV (DNLA). My phone can stream to my smart TV (DNLA). I'm waiting for nexus 7 to be in stock again. In the mean time, how did you get your nexus 7 to stream to your smart TV?
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How did you get your phone to stream to your smart TV over dnla? The only way I can see if using the All Share app, but that doesn't mirror the screen, basically I want to push my games on to the big screen if possible...
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How did you get your phone to stream to your smart TV over dnla? The only way I can see if using the All Share app, but that doesn't mirror the screen, basically I want to push my games on to the big screen if possible...
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You can use either of these (available in play store) if your TV supports DLNA connection.
Twonky Mobile or BubbleUPnP
mamba_nz said:
You can use either of these (available in play store) if your TV supports DNLA connection.
Twonky Mobile or BubbleUPnP
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But isn't this the same as using Allshare (on the samsung s2)?
I am mainly looking to mirror the screen so I can play games etc on the big screen.
kevinm2k said:
But isn't this the same as using Allshare (on the samsung s2)?
I am mainly looking to mirror the screen so I can play games etc on the big screen.
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Ah-I see. Sorry, I am not sure then. I am looking for something like that too but haven't found anything yet. Do let me know please if you find it.
kevinm2k said:
But isn't this the same as using Allshare (on the samsung s2)?
I am mainly looking to mirror the screen so I can play games etc on the big screen.
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To do what you are saying requires a Mobile High Definition link ~ aka an MHL connection which in turn goes to the HDMI port on a TV. Earlier cables (Samsung Galaxy S) could connect to a VGA port on a TV.
Unfortunately the Nexus does not come with any MHL capability otherwise we would by now be hearing of an MHL cable that you attach to the power socket (as is done on Samsung devices).
DNLA only links media files, as in Music, Photo's and Video. For that you need dedicated software to stream which has already been mentioned above.
Isn't possible any app to catch on a Google TV device and vice versa kind sling box for androids devices?
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Android is lacking here big time, apple has airplay through apple tv to show the screen on the tv and play games etc throught it, all wirelessly.
Android needs this... and fast!
VNC client and server apps exist, so if you want to display your screen on an android enabled TV you should be able to do it with VNC?
Its a WIFI enabled Smart TV I have... can use all share on s2 to share videos and music to it, but cannot mirror your screen, its something they need to resolve soon.
What can I do if my TV doesnt have DNLA, and the N7 doesnt support MHL.
Is there any other way? USB to VGA cable?
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Android is lacking here big time, apple has airplay through apple tv to show the screen on the tv and play games etc throught it, all wirelessly.
Android needs this... and fast!
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It's nothing to do with Android it's ASUS and Google who are lacking.....
You have the S2 and that can link direct to your TV using as you say Allshare and for anything else you would use an MHL adapter as the S2 has MHL built in.
If the Nexus had an Allshare alternative built in and DLNA support you would be able to show media files on your TV..... and again if the Nexus had MHL built in you would then be able to use an MHL adapter and mirror your Nexus screen with your TV.
I'm not talking about the nexus in particular I mean android as a whole needs some kind of solution or they are going to fall behind. Our should I say they'll never catch up on that regard. Can you point me to am mhl adapter to check out out
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I'm not talking about the nexus in particular I mean android as a whole needs some kind of solution or they are going to fall behind. Our should I say they'll never catch up on that regard. Can you point me to am mhl adapter to check out out
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The only way Android would have it as a whole is if Google demanded all manufacturers ensured the MHL hardware specification be built within their devices and that simply is not going to happen.
MHL is not a prerequisite of Android it's an added extra that runs totally independent. Yes the iDevice has it which makes it sound like Android is lacking but the iDevice is just one manufacturer. Just as Samsung is a manufacturer and yes they have MHL built in their devices, so it would be wrong to compare Apple to Google in this shortcoming.
As to pointing you to an MHL adapter, you can find these easily in either ebay or Google. The trouble is though if you intend to use it with the Nexus 7 you will be wasting you money. As I have already said, the Nexus 7 does not have MHL capability so it would not be able to read an MHL adapter.
nexus 7 is miracast certified, and that's rolling out this fall. patience is a virtue... and/or a software update. -Ara
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Sorry to double-post, but while we're on the subject, is it that we lack hardware to get mhl working or we need to program support into the existing setup and we could achieve mhl with a custom ROM. I can mhl off my phone (I think). -Ara
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]Sorry to double-post, but while we're on the subject, is it that we lack hardware to get mhl working or we need to program support into the existing setup and we could achieve mhl with a custom ROM. I can mhl off my phone (I think). -Ara
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Unlike the lack of USB OTG (On-The-go) which is a simple software limitation (as rooting then using Stickmount allows complete access) MHL is different as it is a hardware limitation. Google obviously left this out (as they did with other ports such as MicroSD) to keep the costs down.
Hey guys, is there any way to mirror my exact image onto my tv and not just send pics and videos to the tv via dnla?
Thanks!
monadzback said:
Hey guys, is there any way to mirror my exact image onto my tv and not just send pics and videos to the tv via dnla?
Thanks!
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Ive done it before just cant remember how... got a pn64e8000 tv I'll see if I can figure it out
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Apparently you needthe latest and greatest Samsung smart TV, otherwise the Allshare cast Dongle/hub is the way to go...
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Apparently you needthe latest and greatest Samsung smart TV, otherwise the Allshare cast Dongle/hub is the way to go...
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I've got an UE55ES7000. How to mirror the display content to the TV without the AllShare Cast Dongle?
Screen mirroring only works with TV's with the very latest version of wifi direct / miracast - have a look at this thread, it is discussed in detail. The only working method available to you at present is the allshare cast dongle.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847290
I have the 7000 series Samsung, it has the allshare app on it, do I still need the dongle for mirror? Also is there an app the tablet has to use to mirror?
Wow. Just read that thread. Samsung dropped the ball...
monadzback said:
Wow. Just read that thread. Samsung dropped the ball...
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Yeah big style, lots of promises, total failure.
complete failure. I cannot even find any documentation on my TV that says yes or no that is has WIDI
I have the 6800. You can send video and photos to allshare play. You can now even control the youtube app for the tv with the updated youtube app for android. But true mirroring is not possible untill i got the dongle.
To be honest mirroring isnt really that usefull, only really if you want to game.
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I have the UA55D7000, a 2011 Samsung TV. It was on the list they 1st supplied as compatible but after almost pulling out and losing most of my hair trying to get it working, I went and got the dongle.
Works fine now but considering the adverts were showing that you didn't need the dongle and were making fun of the guy in the business meeting who didn't bring his, this was a major letdown. Especially since it cost another $90 on top...
I do find it useful though...
I have the Allshare cast dongle. It does work really well. I use it to mirror my GT-N8010 screen to a data projector. My data projector is quite old and does not have HDMI in so I had to buy a HDMI to VGA digital to analogue converter too. However it now means I can present off my Note and I am not constrained by cables.
no S4 screen mirroring
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We are thinking of buying a TV around a 40" and wanted to know if there are wireless display TV's that are compatible with the Nexus 4. My bro has a 32" LG TV that works but its smaller than what we want.
Any recommendations are appreciated. (UK only)
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We are thinking of buying a TV around a 40" and wanted to know if there are wireless display TV's that are compatible with the Nexus 4. My bro has a 32" LG TV that works but its smaller than what we want.
Any recommendations are appreciated. (UK only)
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Stick with the LGs for wireless display & Miricast with the N4. Argos and Currys were both doing decent deals recently.
The 42ln575v @ Argos/Currys for 370 or the 42ln578v for 399 at Currys are decently priced
The LG remote app in the play store is pretty good and some models come with nfc tags to launch the remote etc.
I picked up a similar one, a little better panel than the above one and am really pleased so far and the NowTV passes for Sky movies and sports will come in handy too. I'd recommend it, but the price has gone back up on it....
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Stick with the LGs for wireless display & Miricast with the N4. Argos and Currys were both doing decent deals recently.
The 42ln575v @ Argos/Currys for 370 or the 42ln578v for 399 at Currys are decently priced
The LG remote app in the play store is pretty good and some models come with nfc tags to launch the remote etc.
I picked up a similar one, a little better panel than the above one and am really pleased so far and the NowTV passes for Sky movies and sports will come in handy too. I'd recommend it, but the price has gone back up on it....
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Thanks for the info, I take it there is noting smaller than 42"?
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Thanks for the info, I take it there is noting smaller than 42"?
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Currys has the 39ln575v for 30 quid more (£399) than the 42"!
For the price, I didn't think there was much better value to be found than these particular 42" models.
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Currys has the 39ln575v for 30 quid more (£399) than the 42"!
For the price, I didn't think there was much better value to be found than these particular 42" models.
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So any TV that says built in wifi, will that do the job or is it LG technology?
edit: This it? http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/39ln575v/lg-39ln575v £40 cheaper
To be honest, I don't know.
Some other TVs may play nicely with Miracast on the N4. Some may not have used the standard to the letter or may have done a custom implementation of wireless display and may not work properly.
If you find a model you prefer I'd either test it in the shop or google "nexus 4 +TVmodel wireless display" at least.
Let me say that it was one of my considerations in getting an LG but even if it didn't work I still would have gotten the TV I did. The LG is a nice tv.
I have never had a problem with LG t.v,s and personally recommend them also , have used both mirror cast via wifi and slimport both without any problems.
That also goes for Toshiba.
One company I have read a lot of problems with is Samsung , all be it I bet the sg3 /sg4 work fine with them.
So I guess you known were I am coming from LG nexus 4 = LG T.V. Samsung t.v = s4 / s3. Just my thoughts and not exact science.
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@jmcgraw those LG's are pretty much sold out and prices gone up where available. I tried a Sony tv and noticed there is a like a 1 second lag. Is there any lag with your LG?
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@jmcgraw those LG's are pretty much sold out and prices gone up where available. I tried a Sony tv and noticed there is a like a 1 second lag. Is there any lag with your LG?
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Yeah, it seems up to a second occasionally as well.
I think it's fine most of the time, but if I was playing a lot of games I'd probably want to use a slimport adapter instead.
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Yeah, it seems up to a second occasionally as well.
I think it's fine most of the time, but if I was playing a lot of games I'd probably want to use a slimport adapter instead.
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Do you think its worth getting a ptv3000 instead? That way I can get a cheaper tv?
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Do you think its worth getting a ptv3000 instead? That way I can get a cheaper tv?
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I don't know. If you already had a tv you were happy with otherwise then sure, the ptv is a reasonable addition.
If you find a great deal on a cheaper/nonsmart tv then it would be a good alternative as well, but if you're only going to be saving £20 to £30 I'm not sure it would be worth it.
Have you considered a slimport adaper or a chromecast?
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I don't know. If you already had a tv you were happy with otherwise then sure, the ptv is a reasonable addition.
If you find a great deal on a cheaper/nonsmart tv then it would be a good alternative as well, but if you're only going to be saving £20 to £30 I'm not sure it would be worth it.
Have you considered a slimport adaper or a chromecast?
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Slimport is wired right? And the chromecast can't mirror everything can it like all apps, games and videos
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Slimport is wired right? And the chromecast can't mirror everything can it like all apps, games and videos
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Sadly not. Its very very limited. Before I was able to play my offline music on tv but Google decided to block that feature with an update . Only plays music purchased from Google music.
The YouTube updates made it worst. I connect it to my Tv; play one video. All going well. But if my Nexus 4 screen goes to sleep it stops working. If I want play next video; I have to reconnect it to my TV.
Oh and after switching my router security to wpa2; chromecast cannot be detected anymore. I searched online and it's not only me. Now, It's just sitting on my computer table collecting dust.
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Slimport is wired yes and plays/shows everything on the screen as long as the screen is on.
Mirrorcast and chromecast both rely on wifi.
Tried both and personally prefer slimport its dam cooool.
Games are hard to play thought as you need sometimes to look at the phone to hit the buttons e.t.c which means you're not concentrating on the T.V.
If you get one of them game controllers you should be o.k.
It would need to be a Bluetooth one or one that doesn't connect to the micro USB out socket as you need that for the slimport.
Sorry I no nothing about controllers as I have never used one.
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Slimport is wired yes and plays/shows everything on the screen as long as the screen is on.
Mirrorcast and chromecast both rely on wifi.
Tried both and personally prefer slimport its dam cooool.
Games are hard to play thought as you need sometimes to look at the phone to hit the buttons e.t.c which means you're not concentrating on the T.V.
If you get one of them game controllers you should be o.k.
It would need to be a Bluetooth one or one that doesn't connect to the micro USB out socket as you need that for the slimport.
Sorry I no nothing about controllers as I have never used one.
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I actually have my PS3 working with my phone via the sixaxis app and works perfectly.