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If you believe that it looks like we can add an additional 32 Gig SD card to the Samsung focus prior to initializing it (or at least requiring a hard reset after it is inserted), exactly what is the type of card which we may utilize? Brand and type, or even better, a link to an example would be an ideal answer. TIA.
If this thing really does need to be in the phone before it is set up, or require a hard reset, I may as well have the thing (SD card) in my hot little hand before I walk into an att store and the clerk tries to slip the battery in the phone.
Is a standard Micro SD all that is required?
http://wmpoweruser.com/expandable-storage-confirmed-in-windows-phone-7-required-a-hard-reset/
According to Microsoft it requires a special high-performance sd card so I doubt a normal one will work. If it does work you probably won't like the performance. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
i read that they will be availalbe at att store where you purchase your phone.. may cost more than other places but without knowing what type may have to wait til phone is released..
Hmmm...I cannot find a US vendor to purchase one of these:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/newsView.do?news_id=1119
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Hmmm...I cannot find a US vendor to purchase one of these:
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Expected release date November 8, Carrier AT&T according to Phonearena.
From what I have read, the special part of this is the way the OS creates a RAID to combine internal and external memory. I suspect that a class 6 card will work perfectly.
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With it being extra important that the Micro SDHC card doesn't fail; which brands of flash do you people recommend?
I have had a 8GB class 6 Transcend card in my LG Xenon for almost 2 years. Used it in my GPS, and my daughters DSi, and have added countless movies to it. It's been heavily used and hasn't failed. But when I go to buy 16GB the reviews aren't so high on the Transcend.
* I can't find a reference on PhoneArena to the above mentioned Samsung 30nm-class, High-density NAND Flash for Mobile Devices. Were you referring to the phone it's self being released on Nov 8th?
Has anyone any word of the type of SD card we will need to get?
On the AT&T wireless message board there's a posting of an email from Jeff Bradley, AT&T Senior VP of devices, that states it will support a class 2 or higher microSD card.
http://forums.wireless.att.com/t5/Samsung/Samsung-Focus-usable-SD-card-specs/m-p/2532157
AHHHH....
"Windows Phone uses a special high–performance SD card that works differently than SD cards in other devices.
When your phone is built and first set up, its internal storage and SD card are combined and recognized as one storage system," -Microsoft
I believe this is referring to the 1GB ROM internal storage(for operating system) and 8GB internalSD card flash both being the Samsung 30nm NANDHP Flash
I've read posts around the net about a Samsung rep stating the MicroSD just under the battery cover would be removable. I'm starting to see that as a possibility.
I just received an email back from Samsung Tech Support.
My Question: " SGH-i917 Focus for AT&T, need clarification on MicroSD slot
Are MicroSD flash drives used in the slot under the battery cover capable of being removed with out hard resetting the phone/operating system (Windows Phone 7)?
I'm not referring to the internal 8GB memory in the core of the phone. "
Their Answer: " Thank you for your inquiry. If you are referring to the memory card that you have on the phone, it will not affect the functionality of the phone either the operating system of the phone.
Should you desire additional assistance resolving this, we invite you to call Samsung Customer Support by phone at our toll free number 1-888-987-4357 between the hours 7:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Saturday, Central Standard Time.
We thank you for your continued interest in Samsung products.
Sincerely,
Technical Support
Carissa Joy "
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OK, just got off phone with Samsung tech support, via the phone # above.
She told me that the MicroSD card slot under the battery cover WILL BE REMOVABLE WITHOUT HARD RESET of the phone.
That I can use multiple MicroSD cards with the phone, i.e. adding movies to multiple MicroSD flash drives for a vacation.
AS LONG AS the flash drive is only used in the SGH-i917 Focus and a Computer.
If added to another phone or device it may require reformatting before using in the Focus again.
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That I can use multiple MicroSD cards with the phone, i.e. adding movies to multiple MicroSD flash drives for a vacation.
AS LONG AS the flash drive is only used in the SGH-i917 Focus and a Computer.
If added to another phone or device it may require reformatting before using in the Focus again.
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That is just so contrary to anything and everything we've seen so far that it is hard to credit.
I've already ordered a class 6 16GB card (the Transcend, I hope it fares better than the reviews cited above) but I ordered it for the additional storage, not with any expectation of being able to swap it in and out or use on a computer.
As far as hoping for anything more, it would only be that a class 6 card might perform better than a class 0 or 2 which others in the HD7 forum report are being shipped in the HD7.
Well I doubt the tier one tech support agent knows more then the hands on reviewers online. Based on the comparisons, I think the Focus uses at least class 4 or 6 speed internal memory. Every video and head to head comparison Ive see thinks the Focus is faster the its comp. I did notice updated spec stating 512MB RAM, 1GB Flash Rom (Prior was 1GB ROM), 8GB Flash Storage. I think the Flash ROM is Samsung's Nano Flash chips, the 8GB storage Ive read to be ScanDisk. Does ScanDisk use Samsung flash chips?
A week from today the answers and im sure more questions will start flooding in.
I got the Focus this morning, and I tried a run-of-the-mill class 2 SanDisk 16GB card, and after doing a hard reset, its working like a charm. 22GB of memory for me. Doesn't appear to have degraded my performance, either.
Where do you lookup the available memory? I've inserted a class 4 16GB Lexar card but I don't know where to look to verify the memory.
memory card
what's being told to all att employees is that we are not to sell any memory cards with the phone because they're not supposed to work with any of the ones we carry. I've been afraid to put one in mine because of this but if its been working for ya'll idk what to believe now.
Rep at the att store told me this morning that theyre working on an OTA software update to correct this SD card issue, so hopefully it'll be sometime soon.
Has anyone tried using the 16Gb Kingston Class 6 card in the Focus? Results?
My 16GB class 6 card is working great. 22GB of storage.
Go to settings, about and it will tell you have much storage. I had to hit reset phone under that page for it to work.
I installed a 16GB class 6 card in mine this morning and it was working fine, then after reading of a problem after a soft reset I tried it and sure enough, it forgot everything I'd set up and I had to start over.
Has anyone replaced their micro SD card and experienced the Zune sync pretty much hanging the device? I replaced it with a Kingston 32GB C4 card and it all seemed to work fine until I went to sync. I can get about 10, maybe 20 songs, sync'd, then it freezes. Kinda sucks.
I'd be very interested to hear how this goes - I have to wait at least aother month for my Venue Pro and I have a Sandisk 32GB C4 card waiting for it, so I will end up in the same boat as you.
(Except mine's Sandisk rather than Kingston, of course)
Please keep us posted on what happens. Incidentally, did you try another hard reset yet?
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Has anyone replaced their micro SD card and experienced the Zune sync pretty much hanging the device? I replaced it with a Kingston 32GB C4 card and it all seemed to work fine until I went to sync. I can get about 10, maybe 20 songs, sync'd, then it freezes. Kinda sucks.
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Sync'd over 100 songs last night on my SanDisk 16GB Class 2 and it went swimmingly.
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Sync'd over 100 songs last night on my SanDisk 16GB Class 2 and it went swimmingly.
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2 differences here: brand of the card, class
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2 differences here: brand of the card, class
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The OP asked if anyone who's replaced the card is experiencing issues. I said I'm not. I'm also using a supposedly slower card. I wasn't implying that the OP is wrong in any way.
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The OP asked if anyone who's replaced the card is experiencing issues. I said I'm not. I'm also using a supposedly slower card. I wasn't implying that the OP is wrong in any way.
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No I am simply saying that the brand and class could affect the performance.
Maybe Sandisk and Class 2 are better for the dell venue pro?
Yeah, I dunno. I picked up another 16GB Patriot C4 - haven't tried that yet. I did a soft reset and cleared all apps, seems to be *somewhat* better although it's definitely not right still. I'll probably swap out the card again and give it ago.
Where were you able to find a 32GB SanDisk C4?
I got mine from Amazon 2 weeks ago. It was like $90 with same day delivery.
16GB Patriot...better, but still not great. Replaced the stock 8GB card and it appears to work as normal. I'll order the SanDisk one - seems like that's the way to go.
Edit: And did you get a C2 or a C4? I can find the C2 on their site, but the only C4s I see are Kingston and other brands.
Class four, even though the picture depicted a class two when I received it it was a class four card.
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Class four, even though the picture depicted a class two when I received it it was a class four card.
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Same here, ordered the class 2, received a class 4.
Now if I could just order the phone or get a ride from here to the local Microsoft store (darn hatred of driving) I'd be all set. I guess if waiting all this time hasn't killed me another week or two shouldn't be tha- I NEEDS IT NOW!!!!
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Has anyone replaced their micro SD card and experienced the Zune sync pretty much hanging the device? I replaced it with a Kingston 32GB C4 card and it all seemed to work fine until I went to sync. I can get about 10, maybe 20 songs, sync'd, then it freezes. Kinda sucks.
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Are you sure it's a genuine 32Gb card? So many fakes floating around that bomb out after you try to copy more than a couple of hundred Mb to them.
Yeah...1.) It's Kingston, which is a brand I think most people trust. 2.) The device shows ~30GB of free space after the reset...so yeah, pretty sure Plus, the issue still occurs, just at a smaller scale, with the 16GB card I got, from another reputable manufacturer.
Thus far, it's taken about 1hr to copy ~850MB of files over =/
There's the issue with WP7... By the time you realise it's not an issue with the card but with your device, you're out of warranty .
Warranties are not worth a thing. What matters is the Sale of Goods act. A manufacturer cannot refuse to repare a faulty device just because you peeled a label off and replaced a card. Unless the fault is caused by the replacement of the card.
You might have to threaten them with Small Claims court action, but rest assured you'll win.
Voiding a warranty is not the same thing as losing your consumer rights. Warranties are provided by manufacturers, consumer rights are provided by law. Law trumps manufacturers. End of.
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Warranties are not worth a thing. What matters is the Sale of Goods act. A manufacturer cannot refuse to repare a faulty device just because you peeled a label off and replaced a card. Unless the fault is caused by the replacement of the card.
You might have to threaten them with Small Claims court action, but rest assured you'll win.
Voiding a warranty is not the same thing as losing your consumer rights. Warranties are provided by manufacturers, consumer rights are provided by law. Law trumps manufacturers. End of.
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Doesnt really apply since the Dell isnt available anywhere apart from the US which doesnt have such laws. However we can sue so I guess it evens out in the end.
It's also kind of a hard sell because it works perfectly with the stock 8GB card, so it's kind of hard to call it a fault with the device.
Minor update:
Purchased a 16GB Wintec Class 10 and it did ~850MB in around a minute or so. Definitely closer to what I'd expect.
for those who bought 'class 4' Sandisk - I've found nothing on SD's site to indicate that they even make a C4 card...so, i dunno what to say about that =/ Bought a class 2 32GB from newegg...should be here monday. Hope that works out so I can actually replace my ZuneHD
Sandisk 32GB Class 2 card in my DVP right now. No issues, loaded it up with a ton of videos and music and its working well. About 10GB free of the 30GB right now.
Hey guys,
I've just ordered my 8gb omnia 7 and I'm genuinely still concerned about if 8gb will be enough.
I currently own a featurephone with a 2gb sd card, which i constantly have to swap out my music on. I carry around a pocketpc with another 2gb for video which again I have to swap.
So i'm wondering how everyone is coping with the 8gb issue... Living outside of the US meants no zune pass either. Given the restrictions on apps with Isolated storage, I can't even write something to swap files with my server while on the go :S.
I tried a few 8GB models at first, but very soon realized it just wasn't enough (Just like I had imagined, but figured I'd give it a go anyway as everyone was praising the cloud integration). After about a week the 8GB (more like 6.5GB as a bunch is reserved/used from the factory) was full and I had to start removing stuff.
The Omnia is perfect in every way apart from the 8GB memory issue. I have since ordered a 16GB version, but I would have preferred an additional SD slot (like on the Focus) for future needs.
So, if I were you I would cancel the 8GB model and order a 16GB handset from Germany. If you're buying it off-contract you may even save a few bob.
Hey emigrating, thanks for the reply.
Well, The problem is that every german version I've found is atleast 100euros more expensive than the 8gb version. (i ordered it for 500). So I'm not sure I want to spend that amount..
http://windowsphonedaily.blogspot.com/2011/04/at-selling-official-microsd-cards-for.html
Original story here at Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/windows-phone-7-certified-microsd-cards-emerge-at-atandt-stores/
FINALLY!
Any sign of 32 GB SD cards though? That's the only type of card not supported atm.
No this is only 8gb so far. Hopefully when they make it official they'll have 16gb and 32gb versions too.
Don"t you just love AT&T's ballooned price of $32 for an 8Gb card??
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Don"t you just love AT&T's ballooned price of $32 for an 8Gb card??
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Yeah thats what I was going to say. I just picked up a 16gig for $25 at Fry's this weekend. Not for a WP7 though mind you.
If I had to justify that $32, then I'd say that Microsoft and AT&T worked with Sandisk on selecting the manufactured cards that met the minimum performance requirements; all other manufactured cards get the regular consumer packaging.
Personally, I'm running a Sandisk class 2 8GB card (vs the Sandisk class 4 8GB card) and I haven't run into any detrimental issues yet. Performance is choppy/laggy once in a while though...
Michael.
Apparently PNY will be offering a 32 gb class 4 WP7 card avaliable at Best Buy. That was speculation on the web, though there is a picture advertising it, but nothing official on the PNY site or Best Buy site...yet.
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Apparently PNY will be offering a 32 gb class 4 WP7 card avaliable at Best Buy. That was speculation on the web, though there is a picture advertising it, but nothing official on the PNY site or Best Buy site...yet.
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Actually I think that one was a mix up on PNY's part. Wasn't that story from like January?
Got mine
Hey, I bought my ATT approved Windows Phone microsd card April 15, 2011 and I'm glad I did. I know it was a little high, but it works and it is reliable. It has not caused any problems. Given past memory card problems, I am not complaining. I didn't mind paying extra for consistant performance and reliabality. By the way, the packaging of this card does have the Windows Phone and round WP7 logo located on the top right hand corner of the packaging and the AT&T logo on the lower right hand corner of the packaging. As of today, 5-25-2011 still no issues and working perfectly.
I note under the AT&T site for accessories for the focus it lists a Class 2 Sandisk Micro SDHC card for 79.99
Adding link:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...TM)+-+Black&q_sku=sku4980540#fbid=mDVcGxoCjhm
under the phone image click on the compatible accessories tab. Around 1/2 way down is a section titled Memory and you can see the card there.
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I note under the AT&T site for accessories for the focus it lists a Class 2 Sandisk Micro SDHC card for 79.99
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80 bucks!?!?!?! How many gigs?
it was 16GB but when I went to a local store they had a 50% off sticker so it was $40 + tax. Sandisk Class 2 16GB, NO windows phone 7 logo just like the pic on the web site though.
hx4700 Killer said:
it was 16GB but when I went to a local store they had a 50% off sticker so it was $40 + tax. Sandisk Class 2 16GB, NO windows phone 7 logo just like the pic on the web site though.
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I called ATT support because I wanted to find out something about the focus. Fake tech issue you can call it
But during the conversation he said microsoft has not certified any cards as of yet. He said they sell cards that work but none yet is officially certified by microsoft. Idk if thats true but I have not seen a sd card with windows logo yet. He also was explaining how the focus was the only phone to have a sd slot.
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I called ATT support because I wanted to find out something about the focus. Fake tech issue you can call it
But during the conversation he said microsoft has not certified any cards as of yet. He said they sell cards that work but none yet is officially certified by microsoft. Idk if thats true but I have not seen a sd card with windows logo yet. He also was explaining how the focus was the only phone to have a sd slot.
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I dont know when if ever MS will put their stamp on a card, but trust me the sandisk cards work.
Yeah I am running the 16GB Class 2 sandisk from the AT&T store and have had zero problems yet and its been 5 days.
Editting to add that it is NOT labeled windows phone 7, it is just a repacked standard Sandisk Class 2 card.
So an AT&T rep told me that if you bought the AT&T WP7 approved SD card that you could pull it out, put it in any PC an read the info on it without issue just like any other SD card.
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Thats a load of crap Tiggah. The card is formatted using the Secure Digital technology. Locking it to the phone and ONLY that phone.
Can you put it in another phone and see data? No. Can you format it? Yes.
Can I put it in my computer and see data? No. (I tried this FYI and nothing)
Can I see data via the sync cable and the two reg hacks? yes.
So just wanted to update this with a few things. After more than a week with teh 16GB Class 2 Sandisk SD card my phone has worked perfectly.
Yesterday I needed to take some data home from work and used the reg hacks to see the Phone in explorer and transfer enough data to leave it about 600MB free.
When I got home I did the same reg hacks and started having trouble copying the data off. On one file the phone would just reboot.
No matter what I did it would reboot and come up and tell me my SD card was corrupt and to format it.
I would just pull the battery and reboot and it was ok again. I was never able to get that one file but was able to get the rest.
So a word of warning... if you want more memory to do what I did, don't complain if you start having problems.
Your taking an unsupported SD card and using it in an unsupported fashion via explorer. Don't cry about it later.
A little background... I've been back and forth on the SD card issue with my phone. With stock/7004 it would reboot occasionally and I got worried that it would brick my phone (it already bricked one on me previously) so I decided to rip the card out. I unbranded my phone and installed 7008 and decided to re-install the SD card. It seemed to be rather stable although still would spontaneously reboot occasionally (maybe a few times a week). I installed NoDo with the Hungary trick and it started rebooting much more frequently (several times per day). This time it would even do it when plugged in! Ugh. I had tried the registry hack but it didn't seem to affect anything.
Then yesterday's update came and it hasn't rebooted a single time since. It's a bit early to know for sure but it does seem like the issue is gone.
I don't think it's a coincidence that AT&T is now offering "certified" cards. The cards didn't change nor did their level of testing... Samsung just fixed the underlying problem. Microsoft has shown that even their certified cards can vary greatly; it's just a product of the manufacturing process.
I will note that that I put the registry changes back to their original state (DisablePowerManagement=1) as that is how the firmware that shipped yesterday has it set.
Anyone else care to chime in? Cautiously optimistic that these absurd SD card issues are behind us.
I have not had a single reboot or a stutter on my music. Its been running great!
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I have also had zero issues since the latest update...
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I went through the same steps too. With the unbranded NoDo update, my phone restarted at least once every 30 minutes. After I applied the ATT NoDo update, I haven't had a single reboot yet. I feel confident in saying that my SanDisk c2 32gb card works now.
Leads me to wonder which other cards will work now.
Running a 16GB Sandisk class 4 card, about 4GB free. Before the official AT&T nodo update, my phone was restarting a couple of times per day. Post update, my phone has been up 1 day 19 hours (so far) without a restart.
File this in the "for what it's worth" department: an acquaintance of mine works on the phone 7 application team at MSFT. He told me that the MSFT LG team had made a bunch of fixes to the SD driver, but the Samsung team was on a different release schedule and was not able to pick up the fixes for the original Focus release, but rather they were picked up in the nodo release. Given my results and the results I am reading about, this makes sense.
Comparing my WP BENCH storage speed before and after the samsung update, it increased by over a MB/s. I also have not noticed any stuttering or anything like that.
The next test would be to benchmark a non-certified card against the 8gb AT&T certified card to see if there are any noticeable speed differences...
That would be GREAT info.
I can confirm that the Transcend 16gb class 6 card still does not work after nodo. It will not even boot up after formatting the card and starting the phone.
Will you guys reply with what card you have IF the Nodo update IMPROVED your card (model, class, size and everything)
I was having problems with my Kingston 16GB C4 card, and ended up having to do a hard reset without the chip to get the NoDo update. After reading a few comments here, I added the old card and did a new hard reset. Now I have the full 22GB, but the phone wasn't remembered by Zune like it was last time. On the plus side, it looks like NoDo and the firmware are now baked in so no worries about loosing these when resetting the phone.
Anyway I'll reload all my stuff which could take weeks and I'll let you know what happens.
[The Kingston 16GB C4 card was one of the more stable cards out there. I believe only the SanDisk 8GB, SanDisk 16GB and Samsung 16GB cards worked better. I have not lost any data with the Kingston card before NoDo, but it would be slow enough to prevent me from opening some programs ocationally. I would also get a random reboot every few days.]
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I can confirm that the Transcend 16gb class 6 card still does not work after nodo. It will not even boot up after formatting the card and starting the phone.
Will you guys reply with what card you have IF the Nodo update IMPROVED your card (model, class, size and everything)
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16 GB Samsung from Nikolai on eBay. I think it's a Class 2, but I don't remember.
I have the microcenter 16GB Class 2 card loaded to 3GB free. Never had problems before Nodo, still no problem now after Nodo.
Same with mine...no issues or slowdowns or glitches of any kind. Still using the same 16GB class 4 card, too.
I purchased the new, Windows Phone approved Microsd card at AT&T before the NoDo update arrived. It installed fine, worked great before and after the update. It's an 8 GB Sandisk, Class 4 card. Everything is working great.
I jsut posted this on another thread, but it fits here too.
I just tested my Sandisk 32gb class 2 card and it screwed everything up. I had to re-establish my phone with the Zune software, then i had to sign into my phone again. Now i can't add email accounts to my phone. Tried to revert back to my backup, and now it is not showing. I'm assuming because i had to re-establish my phone with the Zune software. If i revert i will lose homebrew and Unlock, right? Does anybody know how to bring back the backup again in zune? What are my options? Problem occured over the 10gb mark.
When i got my focus , i removed the sandisk 8 gig card from my Fuze and put it in my focus and have not had a single problem from the git go. and i originally ordered it from the cell phone shop . com. lol guess i was just one of the lucky few.
Kingston 32GB Class 4
My Kingston 32GB Class 4 SDHC has worked well from day one with the exception that only half of the capacity can be used.
Once the Device holds around 20 GB of data the phone reboots when trying to add more.
As we approached the Nodo update, I had hopes that this barrier would go away, but alas after Nodo, I still cannot use the full capacity of the card. It exhibits the same behavior after filling to around 20 GB of data.
Has anyone had success with a 32 GB card that allows access to the full 40 GB available? If so, which card?
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My Kingston 32GB Class 4 SDHC has worked well from day one with the exception that only half of the capacity can be used.
Once the Device holds around 20 GB of data the phone reboots when trying to add more.
As we approached the Nodo update, I had hopes that this barrier would go away, but alas after Nodo, I still cannot use the full capacity of the card. It exhibits the same behavior after filling to around 20 GB of data.
Has anyone had success with a 32 GB card that allows access to the full 40 GB available? If so, which card?
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again as I have said earlier, the sandisk 32 gb card class 2 works flawlessly. I have had it full with only 4 gb's free for 3 weeks. Bought mine from att store.
They are also sold on amazon
Personally, I have had no issues with v7390 NoDo update, and currently have a Patriot SD 16GB class 4 card in...Have loaded up music, podcasts...past internal 8GB memory, no performance loss, random reboots at all...freezes.
Samsung Focus Rev. 1.3
{Patriot advertises this card being marketed specifically for Focus...FWIW}
I'm buying this card tonight if there are any left.
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=53f07f2a1ed3dfd176e60862966939fden02
Will report sometime this weekend if it's working. I have just over 16GB of music so the space on the card will definately get used.
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I'm buying this card tonight if there are any left.
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/prod...spx?path=53f07f2a1ed3dfd176e60862966939fden02
Will report sometime this weekend if it's working. I have just over 16GB of music so the space on the card will definately get used.
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You can get a class 4 16gb at walmart for 4 dollars less.