"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC.
Sources: http://www.facebook.com/pages/HTC-Sensation/175735282481671
But still, they haven't made any statement in context to already released phones
I doubt they will add support for released phones.
Wildfire is EOL this wont apply to us but probably only there up and coming phones.
Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html
It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones
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It's real , but sadly it won't happen to already released phones
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That's really a great injustice to the already released devices. (if it is so)
@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?
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@ bharatgaddameedi, i just read your "Rooting Android: The War Between Carriers and Consumers" article.
Very interesting...
I'm no expert, so let me ask the question, is Android not built on Linux? If so do Linux not have terms which state that while there software systems can be modified and used for profit it must remain completely open at all times.
If that is the case would manufacturers who use Linux derived operating systems not be in violation of those terms by locking the OS?
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Sorry that was not my article actually. I just found it on searching and liked it very much. So im trying to share it. And it was based on an opinion piece.
Anyway i will try to search for ur things.
Alright thanks
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Thank you HTC, and well done.
But is that confirmed? lets hope that not some Facebook user in some prank pretending to be the HTC CEO.
There is nothing yet on there press page http://www.htc.com/uk/press/2011.html
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Lesa, this news is confirmed...Infact it's all over the internet by now
Few more links:
http://htcsource.com/2011/05/official-htc-will-no-longer-be-locking-bootloaders-on-their-devices/
http://www.thunderboltforums.com/fo...iscussion/2750-htc-unlocking-bootloaders.html
Ok, great. thanks
Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.
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Now this petition has spread to famous magazines like pc world check it out.
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Nice, Link?
Whoop.... never mind, http://www.pcworld.com/article/228823/htc_ends_locked_bootloader_policy.html
**** u htc . i really hate this ****ing stupid company and thier ****ing policy.
they said that will not open the bootloader for old devices like wildfire and so on
ohhh my godness!!!!
Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.
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Another good news-
Alpharev soon releasing a method for wildfire with hboot 1.01 check out the Rom Development forum here.
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Normaly alpharev only works on rooted devices, which in our case is the problem in the first place. I know that HCDRjacob said something else, but I wouldn't put to much hope on it..
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Just a thought... is it possible that we (XDA) could get a member of the OHA such as HTC (knowing they have a wiki already and are majorly banking on Android) or another vendor to "open a space" on their official wiki for us to host our ROM's? Something that has a clause in the membership stating that we agree that they have the right to incorporate anything that they want out of the developed ROM's into their own build and we get access to legally redistribute the Google apps as we are "members" of the vendor's development/testing team. Knowing the spirit of this community and the truly open attitude it supports I am sure this would be something that you all would be happy to agree with. This would protect the developers that have spent so much time making Android amazing and give the vendor an amazing "think tank" in action. This would basically give them hundreds or thousands of developers at no cost all innovating for themselves but contributing to the success.
**If you are a vendor reading...Just think of the great publicity your company would get for this small investment in the Android community**
This should allow us to continue to use XDA for most of our needs but give us a "safe place" to continue innovation.
i have a feeling, htc would do the opposite and send out C&D letters to all the hero devs since they are distributing htc's close source apps such as all of its htc widgets and apps and sense ui itself.
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i have a feeling, htc would do the opposite and send out C&D letters to all the hero devs since they are distributing htc's close source apps such as all of its htc widgets and apps and sense ui itself.
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Probably so but if we sell the idea of them having so many developers working on the project for free they might just jump.
As stated by some one else (i forgot who) just because we are in the oha doesent mean we have access to the closed source we would have to license it out **if** they allow us
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As stated by some one else (i forgot who) just because we are in the oha doesent mean we have access to the closed source we would have to license it out **if** they allow us
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I recall that statement but if we where "honorary members/developers" of/for the vendor then we could fall under the shadow of their ability to develop with/distribute Google's apps for "the vendor's" development testers (us).
lock or merge please~~~~
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lock or merge please~~~~
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With what???
This is a new idea that if gotten into the right inspired hands is another possibility that shouldn't get lost in the context of the other ideas.
XDA does not host any of the roms anyway. Whether normal activities can be conducted here is not really an issue. WinMo users have been doing the same thing here for a long time, and it is far from OS. The developers who choose to post links to their roms that contain questionable content do so at their own risk.
Also if you didn't notice, they already have us as a testing/development team. They can read this forum just like the rest of us. This is probably the reason most of what is done here is overlooked by folks like HTC. Even if we are a rather large user base, compared to the total # of Android users we are still only a few. They probably see it like "oh they got ahold of the Hero image huh? Too late to complain now. Just leave 'em be and let 'em hack at it a bit. Maybe they'll see or fix something we didn't" It's the better way to handle it PR wise.
Regardless of whether they mind what the end user is doing, I doubt HTC would be very willing to jump on board & slap google like that. We should probably leave that subject alone, and be glad they aren't complaining too.
Not that this isn't a good idea. I even suggested forming a group to join the OHA so we could attempt to license the apps, and be more in the loop. Just don't think HTC will go for it.
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Do you make any other kind of posts?
At the OP this would be good idea if we could pull it off
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XDA does not host any of the roms anyway. Whether normal activities can be conducted here is not really an issue. WinMo users have been doing the same thing here for a long time, and it is far from OS. The developers who choose to post links to their roms that contain questionable content do so at their own risk.
Also if you didn't notice, they already have us as a testing/development team. They can read this forum just like the rest of us. This is probably the reason most of what is done here is overlooked by folks like HTC. Even if we are a rather large user base, compared to the total # of Android users we are still only a few. They probably see it like "oh they got ahold of the Hero image huh? Too late to complain now. Just leave 'em be and let 'em hack at it a bit. Maybe they'll see or fix something we didn't" It's the better way to handle it PR wise.
Regardless of whether they mind what the end user is doing, I doubt HTC would be very willing to jump on board & slap google like that. We should probably leave that subject alone, and be glad they aren't complaining too.
Not that this isn't a good idea. I even suggested forming a group to join the OHA so we could attempt to license the apps, and be more in the loop. Just don't think HTC will go for it.
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I have considered all of the facts you have listed which are valid points but if HTC wouldn't do it which I only used as an example some other vendor might do it. I just think that HTC is the preferred vendor as most of us use their equipment. This wouldn't be a slap to Google, it would be a way to endorse us as part of their development team.
By the way the OHA membership is a great idea. I think both options should be explored.
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Do you make any other kind of posts?
At the OP this would be good idea if we could pull it off
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Any idea which Senior Members had connections inside HTC?
I work for a carrier and the HTC rep I deal with isn't the best to go to with something like this.
Wrong forum, just because Dream Development is the most popular doesn't mean you post unrelated topics in it.
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Wrong forum, just because Dream Development is the most popular doesn't mean you post unrelated topics in it.
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So where should something like this be posted???
The idea I am trying to get out there doesn't fit into anything else as it is geared to creating an Android development resource.
Something that if it somehow works saves us all from doing what we all do already illegally.
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Wrong forum, just because Dream Development is the most popular doesn't mean you post unrelated topics in it.
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Never mind I guess. Looks like I got moved to the forum you saw fit.
Honestly, it shouldn't even be posted .
Not to be rude, but something like this would probably never work. Who all are licensing the software from Google? HTC, Samsung, maybe one or two more? These are all gigantic corporations who would laugh at it, imho.
We would have a better chance of contacting Google and asking how much they want for a license, then starting a donation drive.
Yeah I guess I could see someone stepping up to support this. All they would have to do is give permission to mod their roms. They could then look like the good guys who give their users a choice. I could see it now "Don't like our stock build of Android? Try one of these, or make your own." Now that would be the move to make for one of these companies who claim their phones are all about being "user customizable"
We would have a better chance of contacting Google and asking how much they want for a license, then starting a donation drive.
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This stands a way better chance than the other option though.
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Honestly, it shouldn't even be posted .
Not to be rude, but something like this would probably never work. Who all are licensing the software from Google? HTC, Samsung, maybe one or two more? These are all gigantic corporations who would laugh at it, imho.
We would have a better chance of contacting Google and asking how much they want for a license, then starting a donation drive.
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I don't disagree that we should gun for a license but like I said previously I work for a carrier and I believe they would go for something like this but I figure that a vendor would be a more likely target.
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Yeah I guess I could see someone stepping up to support this. All they would have to do is give permission to mod their roms. They could then look like the good guys who give their users a choice. I could see it now "Don't like our stock build of Android? Try one of these, or make your own." Now that would be the move to make for one of these companies who claim their phones are all about being "user customizable"
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You nailed it on the head!!! Thank you for "getting it". Now the question is how to get this idea beyond XDA
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Yeah I guess I could see someone stepping up to support this. All they would have to do is give permission to mod their roms. They could then look like the good guys who give their users a choice. I could see it now "Don't like our stock build of Android? Try one of these, or make your own." Now that would be the move to make for one of these companies who claim their phones are all about being "user customizable"
This stands a way better chance than the other option though.
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It'd require more effort from the vendor. They would have to be the ones distributing the ROMs to users, not us.
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I don't disagree that we should gun for a license but like I said previously I work for a carrier and I believe they would go for something like this but I figure that a vendor would be a more likely target.
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I doubt the carriers would have the license to distribute the software. Since it's essentially the vendor who installs the proprietary apps on them, I don't see the point to carriers having it.
And all of this is ignoring the fact that we don't even know the terms of the contract/license. It could very well be against the terms of either to do something like this.
A lot of carriers, and manufacturers have someone doing PR on most of the major social networks. Maybe you should try shooting some of them a line and see where it leads. Might at least get the message to someone who can get something like this worked out.
Hi hi
I was just wondering.. Is it legal to cook fonts like Segoe UI or Droid sans in your public ROMs? Also, is it legal to perhaps cook in an apple startup sound or something similiar? Lastly, how legal is it to cook ROMs? Is it a gray area in any way?
Thanks
Cooking its not Legal at all, WindowsMobile and HTC are trademarks.
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Cooking its not Legal at all, WindowsMobile and HTC are trademarks.
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If that's the case, wouldn't this site have been closed down quite a while ago?
Did you read some times agò about Conflipper against HTC?
Or Da_G that was PMed by a WM investigator and was asked to delet his WM builds shared?
I guess XDA Developers site it is not responsable to whatever their users shares in the site......ill try to find the TOS and see what is write about.
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If that's the case, wouldn't this site have been closed down quite a while ago?
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Did you read some times agò about Conflipper against HTC?
Or Da_G that was PMed by a WM investigator and was asked to delet his WM builds shared?
I guess XDA Developers site it is not responsable to whatever their users shares in the site......ill try to find the TOS and see what is write about.
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Yeah I heard about that, not the Da_G part though.. That's why I'm pretty confused.
Then why does warez get removed instantly?
Also, this site is pretty large (and old), so why have MS only contacted those two people?
Yeah..you are right
This is the TOS point 9.....im confused too now,lol
9. Don't get us in trouble.
Don't post copyrighted materials or do other things that will obviously lead to legal trouble. If you wouldn't do it on your own homepage, you probably don't want to do it here either. This does not mean we agree with everything the software piracy lobby try to impose on us, it simply means you cannot break any laws here, since we'll end up dealing with legal hassle caused by you. Please use common sense: respect the forum, its users, and those that write great code.
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Yeah I heard about that, not the Da_G part though.. That's why I'm pretty confused.
Then why does warez get removed instantly?
Also, this site is pretty large (and old), so why have MS only contacted those two people?
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Thats only the very recent history.
I remember when roms/builds were hosted on the xda ftp.
MS eventualy asked to have them removed from xda servers.
Unless the site gets too close to something new, or there are 3rd party issues forcing them to act, I would imagine MS benefits more from the site as it is.
They get a very active community of beta testers and a loyal community of phone purchasers - a lot of whom are like this because they always want the latest stuff. Hence they will (often) also want the latest phones. Hence it counteracts the problem of them delaying purchases by putting new os's on old phones.
Driving it underground would not stop the activity and only really annoy the users.
It will be interesting to see if they change their policy as WP7 comes in and WM6.5 fades out....
If you are new here, perhaps you may not be aware that the MS forced XDA_Developers to remove all the cooked ROMs from its FTP store. Before that all the cooked ROMs were hosted on the XDA-Developer's FTP store.
Yeah but apart from technically enforcing their rights how did that slow down XDA after a week or two? If they really wanted to hurt XDA they could do much more.
I remember an interview with HTC"s chairman where he was saying that XDA was a necessary "evil". Or something like "we need them and they need us" type of thing
Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
Hi!
Quoting myself from the Vibrant thread :
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SamsungJohn said:
Yes, I have been watching you guys work and I must say is very fantastic. I am here on behalf of Samsung to establish a partnership. Do you guys suggest me posting this in the development forums?
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Does Samsung has planned to implement the wonderful Supercurio's work (like Voodoo great sound improvements) and to work with him?
Edit : I've read your're also a developper, so yes, you should post in dev sections
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Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
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First things first.. It would be nice if you guys made a roadmap for stuff under development for our phone. At the moment, we have no idea which bugs are getting fixed or when. And we have no idea what's being worked on. We don't need a accurate timeframe, simply an indication of what's being worked on
Even better, track the serial numbers/IMEI of the phones, and allow each owner to vote on where development should be targeted (such as what Dune HD does). You could even make an application on the Samsung store to let us vote directly on the phones (which might make it even better).
I wont be there in Austin (too far), but I think what I have mentioned is important, because Samsung tech support is unresponsive and horrible (when you send them a bug by email, you NEVER get a response). However, by at least implementing a voting feature, poor tech support suddenly becomes less relevant.
I have a simple suggestion. Samsung are really ontop when it comes to hardware but we haven't seen any advancement in battery technology. Perhaps, as well as focusing on samoled screens power saving prowess, we could address where we are on the battery side of things. So many features require a modern battery.
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Check your Private messages John, sent you something
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I have a simple suggestion. Samsung are really ontop when it comes to hardware but we haven't seen any advancement in battery technology. Perhaps, as well as focusing on samoled screens power saving prowess, we could address where we are on the battery side of things. So many features require a modern battery.
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Let's not turn this thread into a laundry list of things we want from Samsung. That's not the point and it'll just spiral out of control.
I think that this is a big and important step from Samsung, which they should have done earlier, to be present instead of being silent all the time.
It's for sure that there is brilliant developers at XDA that has done some excellent work, imagine how much they could have done if there someone they could get answers from when the questions do present them self.
Is this a joke or somthing ?
Samsung usa. lol.
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SamsungJohn said:
Hello Guys,
My name is John, I recently became the social media analyst at Samsung mobile. I wanted to start opening the lines of communication between XDA and Samsung. First I wanted to say I have noticed your work on our devices on the XDA forums. I think you guys do an outstanding job, I myself am a developer for mobile devices. So let’s get down to business, we’re going to be in Austin from March 10-15 for the SXSW(south by southwest http://sxsw.com/convention). I was wondering if any of you guys are going so that we could meet up and share a couple of ideas I have. I am looking forward to meeting some of you GREAT developers!
Thanks in advance,
John
Social Media Analyst
Samsung Mobile USA
Twitter: @SamsungJohn
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Hey John, first of all welcome here !
I this this is very interesting you come! Look, you're page 12 of the the Open Source strategy I shared with Samsung Korea
http://bit.ly/hNJ38m
Hehe I don't know if this is coincidence or consequence, but it sure demonstrate a lot of common interest, and is an excellent news for Samsung and XDA developers !
John and you guys what think of my document now made public?
PS: does your initiative comes from Korea or you didn't shared yet? I must tell you about a few people there
It's great to see Samsung getting involved here. I hope this is not just for PR purposes, Samsung and the customers would get huge benefits if you work together with the developers here.
For a start, I recommend you take a good look into the work that members Supercurio and Hardcore on this forum have done, and work on implementing them into your own firmware.
The difference the 3rd party firmware on the Galaxy S makes is huge. It's faster, the screen looks sharper and better, and the new sound drivers they have worked on are brilliant. The two members I mentioned seem to be the main ones contributing to this.
How about not fragmenting Android and talking to the devs about the best way to allow them access to all the firmware and drivers that are currently not open sourced? (NDA for select devs maybe?)
This would give you all the love you require form the Members here
Logicalstep
Hmm am i the only one who is a bit distrustful? I see no proof whatsoever , that john is im fact a samsung employee .. Or is it just me being paranoid after so many internet hoaxes.
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He's a fake.
Why would he only write on few tread that he make and why would Samsung even write anything here.
Sure now will that give us all code and help us to root the phone.. Lol...
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I don't think he's a fake, look in this thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=950852
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http://twitter.com/#!/SamsungCarla
she tweets samsungjohn the newest member so I think he is real.
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Samsung has a team on Twitter. John is linked there and appears to be the real deal, unless there's a 10 person troll-team operating to pwn Samsung
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Its do easy to pretend to be Samsung person. There is zero prof that he is that.
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Have you at least read the thread I've quoted? There are other "proofs", like Captainkrtek (senior moderator) who's checked he's legit...
Anyway, it's your right to not believe it.
Hello john please new firmware for dbt (germany), wit 2.2.1
Thanks for posting here
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Hello john please new firmware for dbt (germany), wit 2.2.1
Thanks for posting here
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use odin....
btw: i don't think it is real but would be great if it is real....
talk to supercurio,hardcore,cmsgsteam and you could push your phones over the top....
softwarewise out of the box the sgs is a disapointment...
Thank you!
I'm sure we all have seen Transformers right? Remember that scene in the movie where the Autobots are arriving to earth?(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kps_CkEEkUo) Quality kind of sucks. I compare that scene as Samsung arriving to XDA! I will not let you guys down. I will be back on Monday, in the mean time all top developers please pm. On Monday, I will post a new thread explaining further details. Also if your going to be in Austin for the convention let me know as well.
P.S. I have been reading all your postings in the threads.
Thanks
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Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
Awesome! Yes, please do! It worked for HSUPA, it is worth a shot.
...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Presenters:
Greg Wilson, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Greg is a Technology Evangelist at Motorola Mobility, helping developers to create the best possible Android applications. Prior to joining Motorola, Greg was at Palm (and its various incarnations) doing similar work for the Palm OS developer community. Greg has been programming since the early days of the microcomputer, and has written software for programmable calculators, IBM mainframes, and an assortment of microprocessor architectures and microcomputer operating systems.
Peter van der Linden, Technology Evangelist, Motorola Mobility
Peter is the Android Technology Evangelist within the Developer Tools and Technical Services team at Motorola. He is not afraid of bugs, and has a collection of several prize bugs (software only).
They work for Motorola.
youareme7 said:
Hey everyone, being as this is a webcast about Android Development I'm not sure if it belongs here or in "General" so Mods please move it if you think it doesn't belong.
Anyway, lets get on the AT&T webcast tomorrow and bug them about bootloader access, you do have to register to participate but it's easy enough. It begins at 11AM PST and says it is an hour long. You need Microsoft Office Live Meeting (or you could call in) but it's free to download.
http://developer.att.com/developer/forward.jsp?passedItemId=5300338
I fully realize that this may be a futile action but in my experience persistence pays off and I'm not done bothering them quite yet, maybe 6 months down the road if they still aren't doing anything for us I'll give, but not yet!
Aside: I'm assuming that since this uses full featured meeting software there will be an opportunity to ask questions.
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Make sure to point out the number of people that want this.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
I'm not going to be able to watch and partcipate for this. I would like if someone could record this conference.
Thanks.
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...why would you bug AT&T about a Motorola device? Waste of effort.
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Because AT&T is behind 99pct of the problems with the Atrix:
- No Side Loading - AT&T
- Reduced Speeds - AT&T
- No Root Access - AT&T
Motorola made it pretty clear pre-release they wanted to open up the bootloader, AT&T obviously shut that down.
maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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maybe they will give us the key for the bootloader, probably not, however its a good place to voice our concern
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I doubt it. I asked in their MotoDev forum.
http://community.developer.motorola...trix-App-summit-on-March-29th-2011/td-p/12350
I'm not sure if it would actually do us any good, but I mean i guess it would be worth a try. Who is all gunna be the conference tomorrow??
I think (When it comes to their "bootloader solution") what they meant to say was "We do what we think is right when it comes to working with devs and customers, and will continue to do so in the future". And, what everyone took that to mean was "THEY ARE GONNA UNLOCK THE BOOTLOADER FOR US". I'm not saying I agree AT ALL, I just sometimes try to look at it from both sides.
I definitely want this thing unlocked, but I'm not counting on Moto to do too much about it. Not to say opinions shouldn't be voiced!
No one should be blaming ATT for the locked bootloader. Motorola's Droids (except for OG Droid) all have been locked down and they are on Verizon's network. Feel free to blame ATT for upload speeds, fake 4G, no sideloading, global warming, etc...
The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
I second Ririal. Those two that are going to be presenting tomorrow are evangelists, and are going to be pretty in the dark about the situation.
I think the chat will be very interesting. Devs being there should be good for a prediction on where Moto plans to take the Atrix... wonder if we can ask questions in a round about way to see if they slip on how they unlock the bootloader to develop on the phone... lol yea I know wishful thinking this isn't a cartoon or movie lol but one can dream... I'll try and make the chat and see if I can record it for you guys
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I have school at that time but can someone do me a favour and bug them about his.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=980047
Its common with half the people that unlocked the Atrix.
I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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The Motorola employee that's going to be there is an application developer. He's unlikely to know anything about, much less have an answer for, anything about the bootloader. Harassing employees makes the entire community look bad and childish. If you have a REAL problem with it, other than bandwagon hatred for something a lot of you clearly don't understand, follow the appropriate channels. Lawyer up and file a formal complaint. Harassing them over the internet won't get you anywhere. If you REALLY believe that it's changed anything so far, I'm sorry you're that ignorant.
All the whining and harassing got nowhere, but when a thought out, well written petition was put into place and formal requests were made, look what happened: Motorola released their source. They didn't do it to "appease the masses", or to "shut us up." They did it because the proper channels were followed and they honored that. You have to understand that the amount of people who want the bootloader unlocked is a very, VERY small portion of their total userbase. It's entirely ignorant to claim that everyone wants this. Motorola isn't some evil overlord who wants their users to hate them. They're a business. Do you honestly think they'll care if a few hundred users out of the hundreds of thousands they have leave over the bootloader being locked? Unlikely. They've recognized the issue, and have announced they will have a solution for developers soon, which is more than they're even obligated to do in the first place. They don't owe you anything, having such an entitled attitude is hurtful to the entire process. Be patient.
I mean no disrespect to anyone in particular, so please, be respectful and mature of the situation. If you don't like it, that's fine, voice your opinion respectfully.
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Agreed Ririal.
The petition I've started doesn't actually complain about anything, it asks for an announcement at the very least. Just something for Developers to be hopeful for. It also just requests an option for Developers not for everyone.
We are working very hard to follow the right channels on the topic and generate positive support to show Motorola that there is an enthusiastic user-base out there.
http://www.groubal.com/motorola-lockedencrypted-bootloader-policy/
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Absolutely. I saw your petition and have signed it. I'd love to see them, at the very least, give us an answer. We may not like it, but at least we'd have one instead of empty promises right now. No need to get upset about it, though
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I have a meeting tomorrow and can't participate in the webcast.
However, would somebody _please_ tell them that there are companies out there who really want to develop applications for the webtop.
I have the go-ahead at work to port our primary Linux/X Windows application to the webtop on the Atrix, but cannot move forward so long as hacking/rooting the device is necessary. We can only develop using officially authorized channels.
Thanks in advance for anyone who can bring this up to them.
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THIS THIS
Being able to create/load webtop apps would be an awesome feature that would turn the webtop from an interesting sideshow to a must-have.
I am hesitant to spend anything on the lapdock because I don't think it would be much more useful than the phone itself. If I could throw OpenOffice down on there or something using apt-get then I would totally buy it.
I understand that Moto might want to control the user experience, as nobody is going to be doing any high-powered computation or gaming on it, but third-party apps would be really neat.
Folks, please tweet the following for MS to interfere and help us to fix the Dvp issues.
" @WinPhoneSupport Can Microsoft interfere and help #dellvenuepro owners for a wifi issue and freeze fix? #WP7 experience is ruined by #DVP "
Efjay's request:
" @dell ignores & fails to mention t-mobile #dellvenuepro users (victims) problems, has time to tout at&t version. @microsoft help us! #wp7 "
https://www.twitter.com/notebookgrail/status/71390697407787008
https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/71731138271510528
Include @FCC and @MichaelDell also while tweeting.
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Pls retweet this as well: https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/71731138271510528
Retweeted both
I actually sent Mr. Steve Ballmer an email last night and was contacted by Microsoft Support today via email. I believe that the only way anything is going to happen will be directly through Microsoft intervention.
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I actually sent Mr. Steve Ballmer an email last night and as was contacted by Microsoft Support today via email. I believe that the only way anything is going to happen will be directly through Microsoft intervention.
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Could you provide his email?. So we can have the maximum # of folks petitioning him and WP7 via various channels. If you think if more people writing to him will ruin it, then no need to share.
Give me a couple of days to see if anything materializes. If I get the run around then I will post it.
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Could you provide his email?. So we can have the maximum # of folks petitioning him and WP7 via various channels. If you think if more people writing to him will ruin it, then no need to share.
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Think its simply steveb at MS dot com. Not a secret, can find it easily online.
hiya scoobies
http://bit.ly/l8IGeq
may want to read that - and yes I do support this cause
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hiya scoobies
http://bit.ly/l8IGeq
may want to read that - and yes I do support this cause
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Thanks, was just going to post that. I retweeted this with the dvp and wp7 tags here:
https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/72032471021129729
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Thanks, was just going to post that. I retweeted this with the dvp and wp7 tags here:
https://twitter.com/#!/efjay01/status/72032471021129729
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should learn more about tagging
perhaps a tip for wpcentral?
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should learn more about tagging
perhaps a tip for wpcentral?
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Still a twitter noob, thats me Tipped engadget, wpcentral next.
Edit: alerted wpcentral and also posted in thier dvp forum.
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Still a twitter noob, thats me Tipped engadget, wpcentral next.
Edit: alerted wpcentral and also posted in thier dvp forum.
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muy bien!
hopefully the problem is going to be axed or a loud enough noise will be made...
Guys, bring @FCC also into picture when tweeting.
Has anyone tried to add @tmonews in their tweets? or @tmobile or anything of the like? Tmonews is pretty good about responding to fans / concerned customers...they are pretty known (at least with tmobile for sure) and therefore they could broadcast the problem or so...idk , just an idea...
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Has anyone tried to add @tmonews in their tweets? or @tmobile or anything of the like? Tmonews is pretty good about responding to fans / concerned customers...they are pretty known (at least with tmobile for sure) and therefore they could broadcast the problem or so...idk , just an idea...
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Nice idea but android rules on tmonews. Their WP7 forums are deserted, any post that even hints at being pro-WP7 is invaded by android lovers bashing the OS, so I doubt you will get much help from that site. T-Mobile also couldnt care less, in fact from what I've heard all carriers are just paying lip service in their support of WP7, the truth is in their stores where store reps are free to bash WP7 and actively steer people away to other platforms. As we saw with verizon, if a carrier is behind an OS it shows all through their company, from store reps to execs and we are not seeing that happening for WP7.
Can sometime tip TMONews?. I tried for the past few days and the page is constantly loading and fails to send.
Interesting in today's WP Mango event - Dell is not mentioned as Hardware partner in the slide they presented. Just Kick Dell out of the arena. They are actually a scum and ruining the WP7 ecosystem.
Edit: Engadget highlights it - http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/dell-curiously-missing-from-windows-phone-mango-hardware-partn/
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Interesting in today's WP Mango event - Dell is not mentioned as Hardware partner in the slide they presented. Just Kick Dell out of the arena. They are actually a scum and ruining the WP7 ecosystem.
Edit: Engadget highlights it - http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/24/dell-curiously-missing-from-windows-phone-mango-hardware-partn/
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I hope they get kicked out as well, absolutely disgraceful treatment of their customers and dont deserve to be in the consumer business at all.
Engadget is filtering my comment there when i linked to the WMP article.
We will be screwed
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I hope they get kicked out as well, absolutely disgraceful treatment of their customers and dont deserve to be in the consumer business at all.
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If Dell is pulling out of the phone business, which would be very likely, since they didn't anticipate having to pour so much money over customer service, then those of us who bought the Venue Pro get screwed unless someone files a class-action suit against Dell to refund our purchases.