well next month is when my contract ends, debating on what to get. i like phones like the G-1 and Touch Pro 2 however i love the simplicity of these type of phones. i have a dash and love it but i hate the camera quality. how is the quality on maple?
drifterrolly said:
well next month is when my contract ends, debating on what to get. i like phones like the G-1 and Touch Pro 2 however i love the simplicity of these type of phones. i have a dash and love it but i hate the camera quality. how is the quality on maple?
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google it.
and check the images.
The camera on the Sprint Snap seems just fine to me for a 2.0 megapixel. Definitely not a Canon replacement, but not bad for what it is.
Better than the Dash
The camera in the Dash 3G is much better. Image quality and sensor speed are much improved.
drifterrolly said:
well next month is when my contract ends, debating on what to get. i like phones like the G-1 and Touch Pro 2 however i love the simplicity of these type of phones. i have a dash and love it but i hate the camera quality. how is the quality on maple?
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SoCalSpecialist said:
google it.
and check the images.
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hey i hope u didnt think i was being a penis about this.
i was actually very serious...its what i did. I checked Google and Youtube for the image and vid quality.
i did the same, i found one link and the guy who reviewed it was being picky haha. i thought it was good
Dash 3G/Maple Camera
I personally think it's adequate for a phone-based 2MP cam. Compared to other offerings 'tho, it's probably below average.
Just to review...your Dash has a 1.3MP cam, the Dash 3G has a 2MP cam and the My Touch 2 has a 3MP cam. I don't know if I'd consider that a significant difference, but YMMV.
Some reviews:
Mobile Tech Review - My personal favorite review site, but no camera shots for the Maple in this one
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/T-Mobile-HTC-Dash-3G.htm
WireFly - Has three sample photos
http://www.wirefly.com/learn/reviews/t-mobile-htc-dash-3g-review/
drifterrolly said:
well next month is when my contract ends, debating on what to get. i like phones like the G-1 and Touch Pro 2 however i love the simplicity of these type of phones. i have a dash and love it but i hate the camera quality. how is the quality on maple?
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Don't forget: the amount of MP's tells you only a small bit of how the quality will be. It only tells what the resolution of the pics will be. Sure, low-res pics aren't pretty, but 2.0 MP should be sufficient. Now the funny part: a phone with an 8 MP camera but with a crappy lens can take uglier pictures than a 2 MP camera with a good lens. The lens is the most important factor. The only way to decide is looking at pictures taken by the phones and compare them .
I have seen the reviews of the galaxy sii and sensation, i thought i would have a look at the galaxy?
Seems very nice but i was more interested in the camera features than anything.
The guy in the phone shop was game to help me compare the difference in image quality, so we took pictures of the same object at roughly same direction distance etc.
I was shocked!
The default software on both phones showed @ .2-.5mb file size difference, the galaxy image seemed like it had some filter on it to 'smooth' some of the noise, macro shots were lovely on the galaxy but bottom line was galaxy was only slightly better.
I use 360camera app and we tried that in comparison, and WOW! The image quality was far more superior on my DHD.
The couldnt believe it?
The video on the sii was far better full stop.
So i think i might hold out on the upgrade until autum until the new models apear?
As nice as both these phones looked i seriously dont see a big enough improvement to warrent me getting rid of my dhd?
Has any one else tried to physically compare?
In the same boat as you mate. Thought about getting a dual core but it just didn't seem worth it at this time.
Right now I'm going to stick with the Dhd which has held me in good stead and wait to see what comes out in the months to follow.
Basically Gingerbread isn't optimized for dual cores anyway. It's a bit like the situation we had with computers a few years ago where the 64 bit cpu had just come out but it had no value over 32 bit because there wasn't any 64 bit software.
So now I'm going to wait and see for phones to be released with ice cream sandwich, as it's slated to support dual cores.
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Its sonething i will sit on for sure, as tempting as it was after seeing no significant improvement in the camera (its the camera thats of interest to me) it would be a waste of time.
No doubt in the next few months we will see a 10-12mp camera on and android phone.
Yeah, I'd agree very much. My friend has a Galaxy S2, I wanted to see how much of an improvement the camera was. I have a really messed up camera, due to dropping it on a sharp edge on the gym equipment in my room, the camera cover smashed and my autofocus doesn't work as well as it used to. Either ways, I decided to compare pictures, but with a tree, and from a little distance as it would be easy to see which camera captured more definition on some leaves. Ok, stock to stock, Galaxy S2 won hands down. Stock camera on the Desire HD produced an image with weird sharpness and a bloom effect of sorts, so the yellows were a little strong. The whole image as a whole seemed to have a dream effect applied (in comparison to the Galaxy S2's stock image).
Anyways I then decided to try Camera360 AND Vignette on my phone. WOW big difference! My image was around 9-10mb in file size, and was MUCH sharper. Not only sharper, but it caught the detail around the leaves and on the leaves. Scaling in 100% to the relative image size on my HD monitor, there was no real loss in quality, and details could easily be seen. Next, tried the Camera360 on his, wasn't much difference from the stock camera, even with settings to 100% JPEG quality. So i'd say, stock to stock, Galaxy S2 wins. Camera360 wise, Desire HD wins hands down, although not by a massive difference. Images were a little clearer. Now, when I tried out HD recording using stock to stock, 720p test of course, the Galaxy S2 owned the Desire HD D: But using lgCamera, and raising bitrate to 20mbps (The Desire HD actually recorded it in 26.5mbps) Desire HD was quite good, almost on par with the Galaxy S2. Galaxy S2 recorded in 12mbps, so double the bitrate on the Desire HD but less than double increase in quality (obviously). I changed encoding settings to h264 on Desire HD, file size was around 150mb a minute at 720p. Didn't have a chance to try out 1080p with lgCamera and high bitrate, although I think it'll have a high bitrate as standard. Stock 1080p on Galaxy S2 was visually STUNNING, to say the least very cool. Wish I could record in 1080p on the Desire HD I like to compare new things. So although the Galaxy S2 has a nicer screen, and dual core, it's not really that much faster in day to day apps (excluding games since I don't game on my phones much) and only other benefit is 1080p! I'd rather get a dedicated camera/camcorder for that then spend that much for that facility in a phone. So for me, I don't feel as though it's such a big upgrade. I'll wait to see what else comes out...bleh i'm poor atm anyways
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No doubt in the next few months we will see a 10-12mp camera on and android phone.
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Yup, i'm sure we will. Bound to happen.
They should've put the sensor in the Desire HD to better use when it comes to HD recording...the pictures turn out good!
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Yup, i'm sure we will. Bound to happen.
They should've put the sensor in the Desire HD to better use when it comes to HD recording...the pictures turn out good!
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If you are referring to 1080p recording its not possible due to the processor limitations. The only 1080p phones are dual cores.
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Nope, I meant they could have used a better sharpening algorithm while the video is being recorded. And yeah, I know it's very unlikely for a single core to record in 1080p
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No doubt in the next few months we will see a 10-12mp camera on and android phone.
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But whats the use of 10-12mp if they don't put in a bigger sensor?
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But whats the use of 10-12mp if they don't put in a bigger sensor?
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nothing.. absolutely nothing . it is a way to trick customers
even a sony cyber shot 6mp camera which was available 2 years before .. click better picture then our 8mp camera..due to larger light sensor.
but yea you should remember its a phone .. not a camera.. you cannot have best of the two worlds.
So I LOVE THIS PHONE, it has been everything I ever wanted in a phone except one key part; The low ligth performance.
I have taken a bunch of pics in darker settings (at work, in clubs, restaurants) and all my pics look blurry/oily (oil painting effect) and the only time I get sharp pics is on close up pics (really close up) with flash.
Is this the norm for this phone? Is samsung releasing an app update?
Do you guys have any apps that solve this issue and can you post them here/the setting you use with them. I have attached some pics below to show examples
I have the same problem.
have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?
For me it turned out the smart stabilization mode was the culprit, disabling it fixed it.
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have you tried it with the smart stabilization mode on ?
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Yep and it only makes things more bright with no real advantage...it still looks blurred/oily and details are hard to make out; but hey I have a little bit more contrast/better colors
Updates wont' fix it - it's the hardware.
Take a look at the tiny little lens on the back of your Note 3. Then compare that with a point & shoot camera. Then realize N3's camera takes in a fraction of the light and has a miniscule sensor. Do you really expect similar performance?
You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.
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You really need to play with settings, to squeeze maximum performance in low light and one setting for all won't work, but one thing is for sure, get as much light as possible from flash or elsewhere. If you ever watch pros making movies, half of their equipment is lights and light bouncing screens and they use them even in the daylight even with huge lenses costing thousands of dollars. I do agree Samsung could fine tune low light performance a little better, possibly having dedicated low light/night mode and explain "smart stabilization", which is not stabilization, but custom HDR, little better, but it's not that bad, considering small lens and sensor. I've seen that oil painting effect myself, but only in really low light where even DSLR would have hard time to cope.
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what setting do you use in low light?
As I already said there is no one setting for all, but just to give an example, don't use smart stabilization for close distance , because then flash won't fire and here flash will give best results. On the other hand if you were shooting sunset, don't use flash because exposure will be too dark, unless you have people right in front as main subject etc. Smart stabilization won't work for moving objects, since it stocks multiple exposures on top of each other, but it may work pretty well for some static pictures. You could also try to manually set ISO and again it all depends, higher ISO will give you shorter exposure but much more noise, so for static picture you could try lower ISO and brace the phone against some hard surface to avoid shake, or even make a tripod. But nothing beats the light, so always try to position yourself with light behind you, so let's say inside the house have window behind you, not in front of you.
Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.
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Ive owned every single Android device to date.. yes you read right, every one and if theres one thing Android Devs Can NOT get right out of the box .. its the freaking cameras.
Googles own Nexus 5 needed a few updates from LG to fix it. LGs own G2.. the camera is smudgey and noisey and needs a firmware update.
The LTE version of the S4 (I9005) had shutter lag out of the box, leaving pictures burred and noisey, which was fixed.. eventually... in 4.3.
Thank you so much for this post OP, I was considering a Note 3 as a back up to my Lumia 920 (WP8), soon to be a Lumia 1020.. Its getting ridiculous the way devs are treating us buyers like ****.. "Oh dont worry we can release an OTA next month".
Seriously, take it back and send an email to Samsung "Ram it Samsung", then go buy an HTC One Max.
Stop letting Devs Q&A treat us like ****, return your phones, then send Samsung a Scanned copy of the refund reciept.. explaining it didnt work out of the box.. theyd soon kick their Q&A into gear.
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I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light
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I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2.
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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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Yep I know, but reviewers all do that, its amazing what a new free phone will do to grease a reviewers wheels. I tend to watch independent YouTube reviewers, theres a few honest ones around if you look for them. There seems to be an obession that bigger is better, and in the terms of Camera MPx.. No its not.. trust me,. Look at the HTC One 4 Ultra Pixel.. Its fantastic, the Note 2 is a great phone and its cheap now. Go for it
Good luck
note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience
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Yes, It has an 8MP camera on it and its a brilliant camera, Its actually better than the S3, especially in low light. As an amateur photographer, I understand that 13MP dont mean squat.. 8MP cams are better.. less MPs for it to process.. I used to own a Note 2 and I loved it. The photos were truely amazing and Sammy have had a few years to iron out the bugs.. so it works beautifully and smooth.. nice fast shutter speeds with reasonable low light.. oh and the speaker on the back is fantastic and loud, with a rich sound from the wolfson DAC, plus the screen on the Note 2 isnt crappy Pentile either.
Its a great phone and you wont be dissapointed.
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So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?
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So I suppose the question now is, is it worth going back to the Note 2 for despite the other advancements in hardware?
With Note 2, do the native updates give it some of the more useful features of the Note 3?
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Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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note 2 camera is I can tell for sure at least 40% better than the note 3 camera in low light... that's my personal experience
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Agreed , Its a great camera.
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Now that I cant say, sorry. I know the Note 2 did get some added updates from the Note 3 OS, but due to the half-baked flaky bullsh*t OS that samsung, LG and other devs keep giving us "Out of the Box" with their bug ridden, faulty, un-tested devices from a lazy QA depatment over and over again.. I gave up on latest Android new release devices and went to Nokia WP8, but thats just me
And yet we keep buying these faulty release day Android devices.
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Agreed , Its a great camera.
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Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?
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Hmm I guess you wouldn't know which one has a wider camera view?
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How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps
edo101 said:
I would but I don't know another phone that has a pen. THe pen alone has been the one saving grace for me. I'm a very disorganized guy, ESPECIALLY PAPER and being able to have all my notes in one place has been really convenient. But I don't know, I would like to find a way to get forums to get in contact with Sammy and get them to fix cameras.
BTW does anyone know if the note 2's camera is a better camera and if it would be worth it to return the Note 3 for a Note 2
WHat makes me angry is that most reviewers swear the Note 3 camera is godly. Well not at all in low light
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AFAIK, the pen functionality in the Note 3 is better.
The camera on the note 2 sounds like a winner...
I guess you need to choose. Since it is only dark in so many situations, I would err on the better specs and forward thinking of the note 3 in terms of android trim, better specs, and future updates.
A $80 point and shoot will do even better than a note 2.
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How do you mean by wider camera view?, are you talking about how much of the picture you take is in a single frame? or do you mean aperture?
The note 2 has an f2.6 aperture lens where as the Note 3 has a wider f2.2 aperture lens, meaning on paper, the Note 3 should let in more light, however, due to the huge number of 13Milion pixels compared to the less crowded 8Million, the aperture size may not matter here.
Also the Note 2 and Note 3 both have a digital zoom, meaning it expands the actual pixels themselves, not the image like a better Optical zoom, but they both have O.I.S and both have panorama shot for expanded images.
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You mean as in how much you see through the viewfinder on the screen.. I think the Note 2 is the wider view, but Im not sure someone else reading this may know though
Hope that helps
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If you can get a wider picture from the Note 2. Note 3 seemed to have a narrow wide angle. (so lets say Note 2 was 16:9, Note 3 would be 16:11) thats what I mean. you can capture more area with the Note 2 camera
I was curious which had better video. My GoPro hero3 Black or my shiny new Note 4. So I attached them to a board and took some side by side video. I feel like the GoPro still wins but it is close and the Note 4 does a lot of things better, Especially OIS. Anyway, what do you guys think. Sorry I don't have the Hero 4 black yet.
http://youtu.be/LdLsR_VbB8E
http://youtu.be/PN2iuNgMbBw
Great thread! The images are definitely sharper on the Note. It seems the GoPro has a higher exposure and a wider lens. Slow motion, the Note appears much slower but GoPro, again, has more to see around the subject. I think if we go 4k, there won't be a challenge lol A real technical comparison would be great.
Actually after watching these videos again. I think the image stabilization on the Note 4 makes for a better video over all. I'm tempted to buy one of these, http://www.amazon.com/Magollc-TM-Waterproof-Shockproof-Crashproof/dp/B00NOO74VM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1414165936&sr=8-2&keywords=waterproof+note+4+case for when I'm goofing off around water and don't want to bring my GoPro. Add in the fact that the GoPro doesn't have a camera that can do 4k in 30fps and has a view finder, really makes the Note 4 the better camera. If someone has the Hero4 Black, I would love to see a side by side 1080p in 120 fps and 4k.
I tried a head to head shooting 4k. It isn't a fair comparison cause my GoPro only shoots 4k at 15fps, but it shows just how much better 4k shooting has gotten.
http://youtu.be/2IIlEYf76V4
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Sony and others big corp. with big R&D cant keep up and outsell GoPro. Why?
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Sony and others big corp. with big R&D cant keep up and outsell GoPro. Why?
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GoPro does one thing and they do it well that's why.
I wish Samsung would widen the field of view on their cameras. That is the only complaint that I have had about their smartphone cameras since the Galaxy s II. It is surprising that we have a smaller FOV on our phone than competitors with smaller camera footprints. Namely, iphone, htc m8, z3. Look at the rear camera module on those devices and the lens isn't as big as ours, yet they all have a larger FOV. I think Samsung should reduce the amount of space around the camera modules as I see no benefit to it.
**** Go Pro. Might as well strap a **** to you head and run around. No one cares about your nature hike hippie.
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**** Go Pro. Might as well strap a **** to you head and run around. No one cares about your nature hike hippie.
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ROTFLMAO!