Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.
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Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.
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Yes. Now the question is, will we be able to get the HSPA+ antenna and the Vibrant 4G FFC from http://globaldirectparts.com/ and just flash the ROM over?
I doubt the radio, but I'm giddy like a schoolgirl if the FFC works. Not like I'll really use it, but itl be fun to add.
on second thought.... it may even be the same radio, just locked out at first to give the + more "features". or maybe slight design/performance issues they corrected for the "+".
Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.
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Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.
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I agree with him.
I've disassembled and inspected my vibrant just for the curiousity of it, and i compared majority of the parts to the I9000, and some are totally different specs, but definetly compatible.
With that said, i'm not surprised if they did change the chipset/radio to get the so called, "HSPA+" speed.
Sent from the helm of the Vibrant Galaxy!
Gps hardware changed also probably.
My vote goes to different hardware, and I can almost certainly bet the GPS hardware will be changed too.
Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Don't know that it's been officially announced but 2/23 is the rumor I keep seeing.
No, what makes you think that? "This Changes Everything. Again."
-Steve Jobs
rjgreen3 said:
Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
It took 3 months for Samsung to release a software fix that didn't fix most of the disfunctional GPSs. A month or so later they release a patch that finally fixed them, except for the ones with a hardware problem. It took them 6 months to release Froyo, long after Gingerbread is old news. And that was probably the result, at least in part, of the #NeverAgain campaign.
And I'm glad that Eugene is doing something with the Behold, because Samsung sure couldn't care less. But even a good dev like Eugene can't fix the hardware issues that plague the Behold.
So if you want to get fleeced by a company that wants your money but doesn't want to give you support after they have your money, feel free to deal with Samsung.
Personally, I'd get the G2. HTC, while not perfect, has shown a LOT more inclination to comply with the spirit of the Apache license and the OHSA charter.
And while, as someone commented, you may not care if Samsung ever updates your TV or not, there are other options out there with just as high a contrast ratio and from companies that has shown that they are willing to support their customers in the past (LG and ViewSonic).
Frankly, I'm pretty pissed off at the mod who locked the "Do you still hate Samsung?" thread, categorizing it as "whining". For consumer activism to be effective, people must remember. Samsung and their ilk count on people forgetting that they are a bunch of ripoff artists.
My wife has a G2, it's a very fine phone. My advice is to get it. I wish I had waited for a G2 rather than buying a Vibrant at launch.
Whether or not the old Vibrant can do HSPA+ depends on the chips inside the phone.
Its not uncommon for two tiers of products (like computer processors) to ship with the same hardware, but different settings/firmware to enable or lock out certain features.
Keeps manufacturing costs down to do it that way because you can use the same assembly line and parts for all of your products.
Col.Kernel said:
Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
I've had a wonderful time with my vibrant and thanks to Samsung and the devs on this site, I have had froyo for months now.
Although there has been no "official" froyo update until now it's incorrect to say Samsung has been doing nothing for the Vibrant. It seems to me they have been working towards a release pretty consistantly. Since November there has been at least 8 leaked builds of froyo that Samsung has put together.
JK2, JK6, JL1, JL4, JL5 KA5, KA6, KA7. That's a lot of work.
I'm luckily one who has always had a working GPS so I haven't had to deal with that problem but I still test every modem to see which one I like best. I mixed and matched so many roms, kernels, modems, it's been a blast.
Using apps like launcher pro, desktop visualizer, widgetlocker I've been able to make my phone unique to me.
I wouldn't know what to do with a stock ota release.
And talking about Gingerbread, how many other phones have it now?
With the Nexus S so close to the Vibrant and such a good group of devs working on the Vibrant, I'd wager we get a working Gingerbread rom before most other phones out there.
P.S. I'm an old fart, have been a software project manager for decades, I live my life in the BETA zone.
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If they wanted to really make it a killer device and not just the most infinitesimal incremental upgrade to the Vibrant, they would start with 2 things: 1) Up the RAM to 1 GB (maybe 768 MB) as Android is a RAM hog, well really Java is a RAM hog. 2) Use higher bin'd CPUs and include a "turbo" throttle mode to go to 1.2~1.3 GHz for short bursts (since most of us can and more with SetCPU and a O/C kernel).
I'd love to see a version with a slide out keyboard similar to the G2 or TP2 and bigger battery. A truly brilliant engineer would make a keyboard/extended battery a snap on add-in module that replaced the back cover and existing battery without a ton of extra bulk (The camera is offset enough to just leave an slot at one end of the slide out tray). Make it an option package under $50-70 and I would be in line to toss in some extra cash.
Another odd niggle of the Vibrant is the lack of hardware camera button. I am willing to bet they took it out because of complaints regarding previous hardware camera button implementations. All the Behold/Instinct/Solstice/Highlight/etc phones the camera button a) stuck out further than all other buttons b) if held for a few seconds would break any screen lock and start taking pictures while in your pocket.
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I had been under the impression that the Hero had a physical keyboard. Now that I know that it doesn't, has there been any word about a new Android phone with a physical keyboard?
ATT will be releasing the lancaster in the next few months.http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/
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I had been under the impression that the Hero had a physical keyboard. Now that I know that it doesn't, has there been any word about a new Android phone with a physical keyboard?
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Samsung Bigfoot.
T-Mo needs another good HTC handset with a keyboard. The Dream is becoming old school more by the minute. I want something suitable to replace it once my contract's up, and I don't feel like hopping to AT&T. Not to mention that bordering keys on phones is bad for non-visual key identification, the Dream's separated keys help improve key identification without looking.
Well the G1 is turing into the Iphone. So I dont think it will be old school dead, just hope they keep upgrading it in a GOOD way. Adding a flash to the camera and keyboard support would be a good start... focusing on its linux backend is another, allowing for USB input devices would give it the win. Basic elements. Puddy to give it form, Duct Tape to bind it together, Caffinee to make it go. =)
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ATT will be releasing the lancaster in the next few months.http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/
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Based on the specs, it seems like a downgrade. 4 row keyboard vs 5 row, QVGA vs HVGA, fixed focus camera vs auto-focus..
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Based on the specs, it seems like a downgrade. 4 row keyboard vs 5 row, QVGA vs HVGA, fixed focus camera vs auto-focus..
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Good to know. Heh Its been debated G1 beats G2, and if G1 beats the ATT one.. so far Im thinking wise investment so far.
I do wonder about that Samsung Android tho..
Samsung is going to be releasing the I7500 Galaxy with 8GB of internal memory and a 3.2 AMOLED 16M Color screen. 5MP autofocus camera with a flash.
Motorola will be releasing some phones as well. Nothing much about them yet.
I remember reading on TmoNews a while ago that there is supposed to be a G1 v.2 late this year, I beleive it is a physical redesign to help its' looks.
Basically has anyone noticed the G1 really was built to last? I havent anything that scream "OMG I GOTTA UPGRADE TO THIS MODEL!" yet. G1 so far has outlasted iphones launch.. I mean soon as they got it, they came out with a 3g model. Something we already have.
Only thing to make G1 perfect. Add flash camera, more internal memory and hell, why not a linux-swap partition built in. =p
We definitely don't want swap. Just more RAM.
The RAM is fine. I wish they rebuilt the browser with the Native Developement Kit. That would probably solve most of the problems. Getting more PoP RAM is just not possible because MICRON has to get their lard asses and do it.
But since ARM architecture isn't their prime investment it'll be a while before we see anything.
I heard a few IRC members were doing the initial looks at hardware hacking. I don't know all the details but if anything we could definetly add flash to the camera if the genius IRC guys figure it out.
You could easily add an external flash via the serial port. It would, however, be somewhat bulky. If you build it in, then you need to butcher it. Either way, it seems perfectly pointless... its not a camera, its a phone/pda.
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The RAM is fine. I wish they rebuilt the browser with the Native Developement Kit. That would probably solve most of the problems. Getting more PoP RAM is just not possible because MICRON has to get their lard asses and do it.
But since ARM architecture isn't their prime investment it'll be a while before we see anything.
I heard a few IRC members were doing the initial looks at hardware hacking. I don't know all the details but if anything we could definetly add flash to the camera if the genius IRC guys figure it out.
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Lancaster = Serious Fail. The chip it uses does not include the ATI 3D acceleration that all the other Android Phones have.
It's like AT&T purposly wants Android to fail instead of releasing a real device.
Maybe Hero.
Rogers Dream on AT&T 3G is great.
-James
The 256MB ROM / 192MB RAM of the G1 is inadequate.
If they bumped it up to at least the 512MB ROM / 288MB RAM of the Canadian Magic and the Hero, bumped the camera to 5MP w/ a flash, and added a slightly larger battery, the G1 would be good for another couple of years. Just about everything else can be addressed in software.
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Lancaster = Serious Fail. The chip it uses does not include the ATI 3D acceleration that all the other Android Phones have.
It's like AT&T purposly wants Android to fail instead of releasing a real device.
Maybe Hero.
Rogers Dream on AT&T 3G is great.
-James
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no sh!t they want it to fail, why would they want to sell something that will take away from there [email protected] 3gsucks? I haven't seen any ads for anything but that on att
ITs just the battery that should be improved in G1, everything else will do for now...
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ITs just the battery that should be improved in G1, everything else will do for now...
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its best to invest in a bigger battery. I would but I cannot find any in NYC
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Basically has anyone noticed the G1 really was built to last? I havent anything that scream "OMG I GOTTA UPGRADE TO THIS MODEL!" yet. G1 so far has outlasted iphones launch.. I mean soon as they got it, they came out with a 3g model. Something we already have.
Only thing to make G1 perfect. Add flash camera, more internal memory and hell, why not a linux-swap partition built in. =p
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faster processor and larger internal memory would be good then we could run the hero roms more efficiently lol.
I would believe ATT and Apple BOTH want it to fail.. afterall that market is about iphones. So ever other GSM is countering iphone with a better android. And isnt he soooo cute. ^^
AT&T officially announced that the Samsung Captivate, AT&T's version of the Galaxy S, is coming soon. They haven't released an official date of price as of yet, but the good thing is that AT&T is finally getting a good android phone with specs that are current and not already a year old.
http://www.att.com/shop/wireless/devices/samsung-captivate.jsp
More to oogle over:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/exclusive-samsung-captivate-for-atandt-preview/
Although it's just an test model
tysj said:
More to oogle over:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/exclusive-samsung-captivate-for-atandt-preview/
Although it's just an test model
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the fact that their preview unit had a non-hummingbird 800mhz core and was notably sluggish has me a little worried.
so long as there isnt some sort of bait and switch and the final product keeps the hummingbird, then so be it... i am just curious why the 200mhz drop makes such a difference (i know the chipset is part of it, but still).
we shall see. but between it being in the wild and possible root access (to certain kernels) already, im pretty excited.
*nevermind*
I am getting one
Can't wait for them to release it.
I'm glad I found out about it, I almost got an Aria. But this... it's just badass. I have to have it.
I too am holding off on getting an Aria until I learn more about the Captivate. Problem is I've read from many people on various sites and forums that:
1) Samsung's build quality isn't as good as HTC
2) Samsung does have a history of NOT updating their Android devices, where as HTC has said all 2010 phones will get Froyo
I'd LOVE to get the Captivate, but if it's not going to get updates then I'd rather have a phone that does. Sure I could root and hack the rom with a 2.2 rom but that comes with its own set of potential issues.
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I too am holding off on getting an Aria until I learn more about the Captivate. Problem is I've read from many people on various sites and forums that:
1) Samsung's build quality isn't as good as HTC
2) Samsung does have a history of NOT updating their Android devices, where as HTC has said all 2010 phones will get Froyo
I'd LOVE to get the Captivate, but if it's not going to get updates then I'd rather have a phone that does. Sure I could root and hack the rom with a 2.2 rom but that comes with its own set of potential issues.
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I'd be willing to bet the next build of Android after Froyo will be available by the end of the year or early next year, so Froyo will be old news by this time next year. I plan to at least root my Captivate when I get it, and let's face it, I'll probably flash it. I mean, what's the point of an open-source OS if you're afraid to take advantage of it and mod it? User customizations are kind of the biggest selling point of open-source aren't they? Might as well get an iPhone if you want to wait for official updates. Just my 2 cents.
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I'd be willing to bet the next build of Android after Froyo will be available by the end of the year or early next year, so Froyo will be old news by this time next year. I plan to at least root my Captivate when I get it, and let's face it, I'll probably flash it. I mean, what's the point of an open-source OS if you're afraid to take advantage of it and mod it? User customizations are kind of the biggest selling point of open-source aren't they? Might as well get an iPhone if you want to wait for official updates. Just my 2 cents.
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I understand your point. I use Linux daily so I'm up on Open Source software.
But it's been my experience that sometimes waiting for official updates is better than hacking the device yourself. Now, with that said, I will probably almost certainly at some point root, flash, and hack on the device.
I'd personally like to know that Samsung intends to "futureproof" (for lack of a better word) their latest devices with official updates (unlike the past). To me offering official OS updates when they become available shows that a company cares about it's customers and isn't just ignoring the updates in hopes that they'll upgrade to the latest $200 device they just released.
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I understand your point. I use Linux daily so I'm up on Open Source software.
But it's been my experience that sometimes waiting for official updates is better than hacking the device yourself. Now, with that said, I will probably almost certainly at some point root, flash, and hack on the device.
I'd personally like to know that Samsung intends to "futureproof" (for lack of a better word) their latest devices with official updates (unlike the past). To me offering official OS updates when they become available shows that a company cares about it's customers and isn't just ignoring the updates in hopes that they'll upgrade to the latest $200 device they just released.
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Agreed. I've also heard bad things in the past about Samsung's updates, or lack thereof. But I think in the case of the Captivate, it will also fall on At&t's shoulders to provide and distribute the update, would it not?
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Agreed. I've also heard bad things in the past about Samsung's updates, or lack thereof. But I think in the case of the Captivate, it will also fall on At&t's shoulders to provide and distribute the update, would it not?
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it will be a joint effort on both of their parts, yes.
there is a lot of burned customers in the samsung camp after they repeatedly screwed them by promising updates and then not delivering, so i get the apprehension and avoidance there. personally, though, with a device this nice i will definitely be flashing a custom ROM.
i find no need to lock myself out of features or deal with unnecessary carrier bloatware if i dont have to, and i much prefer the design of most custom ROMs. in this light, people that follow suit will not really be at samsung/att's mercy for updates... so long as there is custom dev support, there will be new updates to install.
that being said, to jump on this device and this carrier with no plans to flash custom ROMs could be considered a gamble, given both of their track records with android... but, from what has been seen, this could be a fresh approach to the OS and sammy/att might do just fine.
i guess we'll see... im just not letting the decision rest in their hands, personally.
Does anyone know if the final build of the phone will have LED flash for camera?
This looks like a great phone to buy. I have unlimited net on my ATT plan so i would love to upgrade from my FUZE to Captivate.
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Does anyone know if the final build of the phone will have LED flash for camera?
This looks like a great phone to buy. I have unlimited net on my ATT plan so i would love to upgrade from my FUZE to Captivate.
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all press and images so far indicate that it does NOT have flash NOR a front facing camera, unfortunately :/
the up swing on the camera is that is has good quality and good accessible settings, as well as a night mode for well lit shots in dark environments.
there is another thread about the camera and flash around here with comparison shots between regular and night mode and it is pretty impressive.
I could be wrong, but I don't think AT&T does much in providing updates.
I'm on an old AT&T Tilt, (and an anxious for the Captivate), and have gone down the ROM route (of course this is WinMO), and after messing with 3=4 different highly touted rom builds, I ultimately ended up on the original ROM. Seems custom flashes quite often, well, for the ones I picked anyway, ended up with the developer moving on.
So I am hoping that Samsung supports this. I don't hold much hope for getting updates from AT&T. It would be interesting if others inform us that AT&T does better than I expect.
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all press and images so far indicate that it does NOT have flash NOR a front facing camera, unfortunately :/
the up swing on the camera is that is has good quality and good accessible settings, as well as a night mode for well lit shots in dark environments.
there is another thread about the camera and flash around here with comparison shots between regular and night mode and it is pretty impressive.
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wow. i didnt even notice that it DIDNT have a front face camera....very disappointed now. I think i'll look for the Galaxy without ATT logo on it if the final build has no front face camera. I was willing to deal with the lack of flash because the built in 16gig memory chip. Now i know ATT will do all possible to cripple perfectly good phones and dumb down Android OS.
The only thing left is to wait and see what the final specs will be. If they cripple the phone more then i'll be switching over to Sprint and getting the modified Galaxy Pro.
*crossing fingers*
Theres a post in this same forum about "night mode" which will increase exposure and allow more light to reach the lens. It actually looks quite better than flash. Also, I have a front facing camera on my phone, and I only use it sometimes as a mirror. Do you have a better intended use for it? ATT doesn't have video calling, and new iphone doesnt have true video calls on it either.
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Theres a post in this same forum about "night mode" which will increase exposure and allow more light to reach the lens. It actually looks quite better than flash. Also, I have a front facing camera on my phone, and I only use it sometimes as a mirror. Do you have a better intended use for it? ATT doesn't have video calling, and new iphone doesnt have true video calls on it either.
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Yeah, those night pics in that post look pretty nice. I'm hoping as long as you're not taking a picture in total blackness, it won't be too bad.
The lack of a front camera is disappointing, but I'm guessing that true videoconferencing won't be a reality till we get LTE, which probably won't be widespread till late 2011/early 2012, so I'll just wait till the next generation phone to do so.
My biggest worry is AT&T crippling the phone, and not just software-wise; I got a Nokia E71x after I lost my E71. The AT&T version got rid of the onboard FM radio, and prevented reprogramming the buttons. The Galaxy S has FM radio, if they delete it from the Captivate, I'm taking my business elsewhere.
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Theres a post in this same forum about "night mode" which will increase exposure and allow more light to reach the lens. It actually looks quite better than flash. Also, I have a front facing camera on my phone, and I only use it sometimes as a mirror. Do you have a better intended use for it? ATT doesn't have video calling, and new iphone doesnt have true video calls on it either.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/messaging-internet/media-entertainment/attvideoshare.jsp
It's not about true video calling through the carrier. The OS provides apps that will allow you to use video chat no matter the device/carrier you're contacting. That's why it's a bit crazy that they'll remove it.
P.S.
This is the first ATT branded phone i'm actually excited about getting since 2005 lol. I actually bought the FUZE from ebay just because it was $200 on ebay last year.
cant wait for this to come out! def gonna be in line for one haha
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http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/messaging-internet/media-entertainment/attvideoshare.jsp
It's not about true video calling through the carrier. The OS provides apps that will allow you to use video chat no matter the device/carrier you're contacting. That's why it's a bit crazy that they'll remove it.
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This is the first ATT branded phone i'm actually excited about getting since 2005 lol. I actually bought the FUZE from ebay just because it was $200 on ebay last year.
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The video share thing is only with certain phones, I think they wont spend the investment to port it to galaxy s. It also only allows one way streaming. AT&T never thinks about us technical users, only non-technical consumers and from that standpoint since they don't have fully functional over the network video calling, why include a front camera?
iPhone's been out for a long time, thats why theres only crappy phones on ATT now. That's about to change thanks to adverts for droid forcing att into the fold.
I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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unlikely....but until someone versed in the skill of rooting gets his hands on the Captivate, it's all speculation i.e. pointless.
I don't think it will make much difference. Sure, ATT tends to lock their devices down... But, that is normally on a general user basis. Think about the iCrap - they were still able to be jailbroken, etc.
If a method of "Root" is found for any of the Galaxy S devices I would think that same method would work on all of them.
However, this is just my opinion and like the previous post stated - until we get one in hand we can't be 100% sure.
As far as the Captivate being a lot different from the other Galaxy S devices... Samsung is pushing to have a "Galaxy S" device on all carriers and in 110 countries. There will most likely be some small differences among the devices. However, it wouldn't seem likely that they would be different enough that one ROM couldn't be used for several different models. Take a look at what CyanogenMod did with their ROM's - slight differences allow for them to be used on two HTC devices and the Motorola Droid. Most Desire/N1 ROMS are almost interchangeable.
If the Galaxy S is anywhere NEAR as successful as Samsung is hoping there will be a LOT of people wanting root and custom ROMS.
Galaxy S Rooted
www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-s-rooted-it-aint-easy
Galaxy S rooted. Good new for Captivate...Hopefully.
The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult
Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.
I am torn between an AT&T Nexus One and a Captivate.
I want to stay with AT&T because the wife loves her iphone. The Captivate would be much cheaper via an upgrade but I dont think I want it if its not going to be able to be rooted.
I am going to wait a couple of weeks and see how the scene looks before jumping on it the first day its available.
Rooting
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Only other thing I'd like to see then after the root is a rom to load that is the original, in case of warranty needs.
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the way I understand it. you create a backup during the rooting process. So you can restore to original.
Thanks
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The HTC Aria has already been rooted, too. So I don't expect it would take long for the Captivate. Wonder if the addition of the gyroscope would make things more difficult
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It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.
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It doesn't have a gyroscope. It has a "six-axis accelerometer" that acts like one. I don't think this is a significant change.
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Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.
Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
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Ummmm...has anyone forgotten that Samsung has been more cooperative and timely in releasing their kernel and driver source code than most (all?) of their competitors?
I present Exhibit 1 for the SGS:
http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
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yeah but this is for the i9000. US version is i897. Is this going to be compatible to US version?
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Why are you trading up from N1 to Captivate? N1 is still a really good phone. i hear customization for this phone will take some time before it releases. it took nearly two month to release custom rom for Galaxy S the Euro Version. I think i might wait for the captivate until i there is a good rom to run on.
I also hear that samsung will prevent future updates. in the news froyo will be released but looking at the history of previous android samsung phones, they might not release the update and make customers buy a new equipment.
Also due to some driver encryption, only rom we can customize is the version samsung releases. I hope i am wrong about this cuz i want this phone. but i don't want to buy now and have a outdated phone six month later. Phones like N1 will have new custom rom every time goggle release an update. I also like to get a N1 but ATT version is so expensive.
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I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?
I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
I do believe that there will be custom roms available and that for the most part they will be compatible with the various versions of the galaxy S. These samsung phones will probly be the hottest devices on the market for a while and I expect to see a good number of quality devs doing some wonderful things for these phones. Anythings possible with android hell I'm running FROYO on a old tilt
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I'm not gonna go off of what people have heard or baseless speculation. The N1 is really starting to piss me off with its crappy RF and now that I have my iPhone 4 I'm not liking the N1 too much so I'm hoping this device is going to be much better. I can deal with not having 2.2 right away and I think this phone will sell amazingly well and there will be lots of support official or not so I'm gonna take my chances.
The reason Samsung probably didn't update their previous Android devices is because they were utter crap and anyone buying them should have seen that coming. Why buy a phone that already has last gen hardware and expect to have the latest software?
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bs. the samsung i8910 which i have was and still is great hardware.. the camera is better than the galaxy.. it also has a flash.. the gps is better than the galaxy.. the cpu is slower 600 vs 1ghz but it is great harware.. just crappy symbian o.s.
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I personally will be up at the crack of dawn heading to my att store which had a hard time confirming that it was actually going to be released sunday.
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hehe good thing im wfh on sunday am and i live like 2 min away from the ATT COR store...i can drive by and see if there is a line...i think the iP4 is going back...
N1 is not even close to the Galaxy series I have a desire which has 64mb ram than an N1 and it still lags like a mofo. Side by side, desire rather dated seriously.
@ lgkahn Mega-pixels don't mean quality, just take a look at the '8mp' EVO CMOS camera... they're CRAP Any CMOS lens will be crap, hands down. If you want a REAL CCD camera get a real one they're sub $100
If there's a line then you shouldn't have waited. I walked in on Wednesday to a Little Rock store to see one, they offered to sell it to me right then & there but I needed to wait for my wife to make up her mind on what phone she wanted. She verified on Thursday with one of the San Antonio stores that sure, they'd sell it early so on Friday we walked in & walked out with the Captivate, no problem. Asking never hurts.
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I have the captivate... I just rooted it however there seems to be no roms out there for it yet... Also I notice that on my wife's Samsung Vibrant using Tmobile when she goes to teh Android market there are certain apps there but when i go to the android market on my captive using at&t i can't find the Mod Install location app or the apps 2 sd ap.... this is strange. anyone have any ideas
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I read in another forum that they thought rooting of the AT&T Captivate is unlikely, due to its difference from Galaxy S, and that AT&T would prevent that.
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I have my phone rooted, nandroided, AT&T bloatware removed, sideloading, and ready for a custom froyo ROM. Not many other phones have advanced this far, this quickly into their life cycle. I bet Captivate will be one of the first to get a Gingerbread ROM, if not from Samsung, then from the community, it certainly meets the hardware requirements. Without a locked down bootloader and an eFuse, Captivate (and all the Galaxy S siblings released thus far) are more hackable than their competition, not less.
According to T-Mobile's Official Twitter the testing out a hspa+ Phone likely HTC Android for release this summer
is the vibrant not hspa+ or do we just have hspa?
Just Hspa 7.2 when the new phone would be capable of 21
I would be more interesting in other specs, like processor, screen, etc... IMO hspa is plenty quick for smart phones and tethering when traveling.
Honestly, I dont think you'd notice the difference in speeds, unless downloading huge apps.
yea, I bet there would be no noticable browing difference other than the Downloads... Hell Ive never even got 7.2, let alone thinking about 21... But still I know that if I could have 21 I would want it...
but it would probably be a bigger community of people with that phone like there was with evo and nexus one since it's gsm and first HSPA+ and probably HTC with 3.7 - 4.3 inch screen with 1.2 ghz since tha'ts the speed of the hspa+ capable processor
Well, I hate HTC Sense. If I could get a new developer phone (to replace the N1), shipping with stock 3.0, I would be all over that.
I really do like TouchWiz 3.0, save for a few issues. It's very easy to transition from the iPhone into the Vibrant.
Hardware-wise, I don't know if I can leave this SAMOLED display. I'd need something similar, and I don't know what could even come close. Construction-wise, I'd like a heavier, metallic body to match my OS of choice.
But isn't this all for nothing? I thought the T-Mo announcement (for Project Emerald -- with Android 3.0) was that they were testing the phone this summer, for release in the Fall / Holiday window? That's what a rep told me, before he redacted the statement and said, "I'm not supposed to talk about that, actually...but I will say this: it's pretty sweet."
*whistle*
I think I'll stick with the Vibrant, unless the GPS / Compass issues really bug me (aren't fixed).
What if came with Stock Froyo and was Promoted like the nexus one and you know guaranteed to get gingerbread the day after announced
You know, as much as I love this phone, I think I will be replacing it with the fabled "Project Emerald" when it comes out. I'm thinking of buying a used G1 to use meanwhile.
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yeah but by that time we should have 2.2 on the vibrant and the speed of this phone is going to increase dramatically...and then you would most likely not notice any difference at all. the only thing that would make me leave this phone is probably another s-amoled display or something better.
I have a strong feeling that the samsung vibrant will have 2.2 but I have doubts on it have 3.0
Vibrant is 7.2 and I dont even see that in Boston, so HSPA+ will be like Sprint 4G = no where.
and as far as new phones and OS 3.0.......there is no a single word on both subjects yet so its pointless to guess when and what will get released......just like its pointless to guess is 3.0 will come to Vibrant. By the time 3.0 gets released, maybe there will be a HUGE dev team for Galaxy S phone line....
That's the one thing that keeps me skeptical. I don't want to have to worry about custom firmwares and all of that; especially considering that I enjoy some of the TouchWiz customizations, and can see custom ROMs leaving those behind.
I really hope that Samsung is 'in it to win it' with the Galaxy S line. I want them to support these phones until the technology in them prevents future updates.
I really wish that it worked like this: All manufacturers are required to ship with stock ROMs, but can construct their own proprietary apps and services which can be toggled. So, for example, the Vibrant would ship with stock 2.1, but the Samsung Calendar application would be the default, over Google's. If you wanted to switch back to the stock Android apps, you could do so quite easily. Because that's all I really want that's different, to be honest: the iPhone-like TouchWiz applications. I could deal with the stock launcher and widgets just fine.
That's really all I want, and I hope we start seeing that with the next iteration of Android.
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Vibrant is 7.2 and I dont even see that in Boston, so HSPA+ will be like Sprint 4G = no where.
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This is just a dumb statement. T-Mobile's HSPA+ will cover 180million pops by the end of the year. Just because you don't have fast speeds now doesn't mean that T-Mobile isn't doing anything to increase those speeds. Oh, and the 7.2 of your phones specs are theoretical, not actual. Actual should be about 5mbs if your on a site that has been upgraded for high speed, no other data use, and in a perfect environment. If its not an upgraded cell site you'll get 500K-1M.
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I really wish that it worked like this: All manufacturers are required to ship with stock ROMs, but can construct their own proprietary apps and services which can be toggled. So, for example, the Vibrant would ship with stock 2.1, but the Samsung Calendar application would be the default, over Google's. If you wanted to switch back to the stock Android apps, you could do so quite easily. Because that's all I really want that's different, to be honest: the iPhone-like TouchWiz applications. I could deal with the stock launcher and widgets just fine.
That's really all I want, and I hope we start seeing that with the next iteration of Android.
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I actually like that different phones come with different UI's. Gives us more options. If you don't like touchwiz, install LauncherPro or ADW Launcher.
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This is just a dumb statement. T-Mobile's HSPA+ will cover 180million pops by the end of the year. Just because you don't have fast speeds now doesn't mean that T-Mobile isn't doing anything to increase those speeds. Oh, and the 7.2 of your phones specs are theoretical, not actual. Actual should be about 5mbs if your on a site that has been upgraded for high speed, no other data use, and in a perfect environment. If its not an upgraded cell site you'll get 500K-1M.
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why is it dumb ? WTF ? Obviously HSPA+ will come, but its not here yet, its dumb of you to assume otherwise.....
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why is it dumb ? WTF ? Obviously HSPA+ will come, but its not here yet, its dumb of you to assume otherwise.....
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You made the statement that T-Mobiles HSPA+ will be no where, like Sprints 4G. This is predicting one companies outcome based on another companies shortcomings. That makes it a dumb statement. Hey, that apple might taste bad because the orange I just had did.
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I have a strong feeling that the samsung vibrant will have 2.2 but I have doubts on it have 3.0
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It all depends on samsung (which doesn't have the best record) but with its huge international base I think they'll still support the phone and release the next version of Android.
I highly doubt that the Most powerful phones today (Droid X, SGS) will be too underpowered for the next release of Android if thats what you're worried about.
The modding community seems to be fairly strong for such a new device, I think itll continue to grow and will have a community that rivals the G1 and the N1 so what support samsung lacks the community will make up for.
As regards to the OP, the T-Mobiles HSPA+ device wont be next gen, so its not really worth waiting for IMO. Not to mention itll be an only Tmobile device (unlike the 4 major US carriers SGS variants + international) so the community will be smaller.
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You made the statement that T-Mobiles HSPA+ will be no where, like Sprints 4G. This is predicting one companies outcome based on another companies shortcomings. That makes it a dumb statement. Hey, that apple might taste bad because the orange I just had did.
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its just i am not predicting....i am talking about NOW. and now HSPA+ is already rolling out and I dont even get full HSPA speeds yet. I would focus on getting HSPA in more places, I still get EDGE in many....
sometimes i am jealous of my friends ATT or Sprint which get 3G in mountains where I have GPRS
OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?
Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!
OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.
I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.
I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...