According to T-Mobile's Official Twitter the testing out a hspa+ Phone likely HTC Android for release this summer
is the vibrant not hspa+ or do we just have hspa?
Just Hspa 7.2 when the new phone would be capable of 21
I would be more interesting in other specs, like processor, screen, etc... IMO hspa is plenty quick for smart phones and tethering when traveling.
Honestly, I dont think you'd notice the difference in speeds, unless downloading huge apps.
yea, I bet there would be no noticable browing difference other than the Downloads... Hell Ive never even got 7.2, let alone thinking about 21... But still I know that if I could have 21 I would want it...
but it would probably be a bigger community of people with that phone like there was with evo and nexus one since it's gsm and first HSPA+ and probably HTC with 3.7 - 4.3 inch screen with 1.2 ghz since tha'ts the speed of the hspa+ capable processor
Well, I hate HTC Sense. If I could get a new developer phone (to replace the N1), shipping with stock 3.0, I would be all over that.
I really do like TouchWiz 3.0, save for a few issues. It's very easy to transition from the iPhone into the Vibrant.
Hardware-wise, I don't know if I can leave this SAMOLED display. I'd need something similar, and I don't know what could even come close. Construction-wise, I'd like a heavier, metallic body to match my OS of choice.
But isn't this all for nothing? I thought the T-Mo announcement (for Project Emerald -- with Android 3.0) was that they were testing the phone this summer, for release in the Fall / Holiday window? That's what a rep told me, before he redacted the statement and said, "I'm not supposed to talk about that, actually...but I will say this: it's pretty sweet."
*whistle*
I think I'll stick with the Vibrant, unless the GPS / Compass issues really bug me (aren't fixed).
What if came with Stock Froyo and was Promoted like the nexus one and you know guaranteed to get gingerbread the day after announced
You know, as much as I love this phone, I think I will be replacing it with the fabled "Project Emerald" when it comes out. I'm thinking of buying a used G1 to use meanwhile.
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yeah but by that time we should have 2.2 on the vibrant and the speed of this phone is going to increase dramatically...and then you would most likely not notice any difference at all. the only thing that would make me leave this phone is probably another s-amoled display or something better.
I have a strong feeling that the samsung vibrant will have 2.2 but I have doubts on it have 3.0
Vibrant is 7.2 and I dont even see that in Boston, so HSPA+ will be like Sprint 4G = no where.
and as far as new phones and OS 3.0.......there is no a single word on both subjects yet so its pointless to guess when and what will get released......just like its pointless to guess is 3.0 will come to Vibrant. By the time 3.0 gets released, maybe there will be a HUGE dev team for Galaxy S phone line....
That's the one thing that keeps me skeptical. I don't want to have to worry about custom firmwares and all of that; especially considering that I enjoy some of the TouchWiz customizations, and can see custom ROMs leaving those behind.
I really hope that Samsung is 'in it to win it' with the Galaxy S line. I want them to support these phones until the technology in them prevents future updates.
I really wish that it worked like this: All manufacturers are required to ship with stock ROMs, but can construct their own proprietary apps and services which can be toggled. So, for example, the Vibrant would ship with stock 2.1, but the Samsung Calendar application would be the default, over Google's. If you wanted to switch back to the stock Android apps, you could do so quite easily. Because that's all I really want that's different, to be honest: the iPhone-like TouchWiz applications. I could deal with the stock launcher and widgets just fine.
That's really all I want, and I hope we start seeing that with the next iteration of Android.
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Vibrant is 7.2 and I dont even see that in Boston, so HSPA+ will be like Sprint 4G = no where.
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This is just a dumb statement. T-Mobile's HSPA+ will cover 180million pops by the end of the year. Just because you don't have fast speeds now doesn't mean that T-Mobile isn't doing anything to increase those speeds. Oh, and the 7.2 of your phones specs are theoretical, not actual. Actual should be about 5mbs if your on a site that has been upgraded for high speed, no other data use, and in a perfect environment. If its not an upgraded cell site you'll get 500K-1M.
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I really wish that it worked like this: All manufacturers are required to ship with stock ROMs, but can construct their own proprietary apps and services which can be toggled. So, for example, the Vibrant would ship with stock 2.1, but the Samsung Calendar application would be the default, over Google's. If you wanted to switch back to the stock Android apps, you could do so quite easily. Because that's all I really want that's different, to be honest: the iPhone-like TouchWiz applications. I could deal with the stock launcher and widgets just fine.
That's really all I want, and I hope we start seeing that with the next iteration of Android.
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I actually like that different phones come with different UI's. Gives us more options. If you don't like touchwiz, install LauncherPro or ADW Launcher.
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This is just a dumb statement. T-Mobile's HSPA+ will cover 180million pops by the end of the year. Just because you don't have fast speeds now doesn't mean that T-Mobile isn't doing anything to increase those speeds. Oh, and the 7.2 of your phones specs are theoretical, not actual. Actual should be about 5mbs if your on a site that has been upgraded for high speed, no other data use, and in a perfect environment. If its not an upgraded cell site you'll get 500K-1M.
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why is it dumb ? WTF ? Obviously HSPA+ will come, but its not here yet, its dumb of you to assume otherwise.....
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why is it dumb ? WTF ? Obviously HSPA+ will come, but its not here yet, its dumb of you to assume otherwise.....
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You made the statement that T-Mobiles HSPA+ will be no where, like Sprints 4G. This is predicting one companies outcome based on another companies shortcomings. That makes it a dumb statement. Hey, that apple might taste bad because the orange I just had did.
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I have a strong feeling that the samsung vibrant will have 2.2 but I have doubts on it have 3.0
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It all depends on samsung (which doesn't have the best record) but with its huge international base I think they'll still support the phone and release the next version of Android.
I highly doubt that the Most powerful phones today (Droid X, SGS) will be too underpowered for the next release of Android if thats what you're worried about.
The modding community seems to be fairly strong for such a new device, I think itll continue to grow and will have a community that rivals the G1 and the N1 so what support samsung lacks the community will make up for.
As regards to the OP, the T-Mobiles HSPA+ device wont be next gen, so its not really worth waiting for IMO. Not to mention itll be an only Tmobile device (unlike the 4 major US carriers SGS variants + international) so the community will be smaller.
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You made the statement that T-Mobiles HSPA+ will be no where, like Sprints 4G. This is predicting one companies outcome based on another companies shortcomings. That makes it a dumb statement. Hey, that apple might taste bad because the orange I just had did.
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its just i am not predicting....i am talking about NOW. and now HSPA+ is already rolling out and I dont even get full HSPA speeds yet. I would focus on getting HSPA in more places, I still get EDGE in many....
sometimes i am jealous of my friends ATT or Sprint which get 3G in mountains where I have GPRS
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just got my email from sprint saying that evo releases on june 4, for 199 with contract.
now, i'm not going to give up my N1, but i need to have a sprint device for going back to clinics, and i think that this will do quite nicely
awesome possum.
I would give up my nexus one for evo but then again, I hate sprint service.
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I would give up my nexus one for evo but then again, I hate sprint service.
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For what it's worth, Sprint has a larger 3G network than both AT&T and T-Mobile, as well as little to no issues with congestion, etc. They also have the ability to roam on Verizon for 2G services...this is useful when underground in NYC.
I don't think Sprint service is bad at all, honestly. At least not around here.
Don't count on Froyo and flash 10.1. The way carriers are putting out updates on their android HTC branded phones I wouldn't want it. Front facing cameras are a gimmick anyway.
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Don't count on Froyo and flash 10.1. The way carriers are putting out updates on their android HTC branded phones I wouldn't want it. Front facing cameras are a gimmick anyway.
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If the phone is going to be rooted anyway, then who honestly cares? It should eventually get 2.2 froyo no matter what the carriers do. Same thing with Flash.
here's a little demo of the beauty working here
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For what it's worth, Sprint has a larger 3G network than both AT&T and T-Mobile, as well as little to no issues with congestion, etc. They also have the ability to roam on Verizon for 2G services...this is useful when underground in NYC.
I don't think Sprint service is bad at all, honestly. At least not around here.
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not in westcoast bay area. I have the worst service with them also some of my friends. The plan is so cheap and would like to keep but phone is useless without signal.
Ya, and sprint is already dogging the nexus also... Evo is better so we canned the nexus, fukin haters....
720p video capture using 8 megapixel camera
3G/4G compatible on 1900mhz dual band. EVDO/WiMax
4.3 inch display
FM Radio
Internal Memory 1GB
ROM 1GB ROM
that just put me to shame with my nexus one on t-mobile.
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If the phone is going to be rooted anyway, then who honestly cares? It should eventually get 2.2 froyo no matter what the carriers do. Same thing with Flash.
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That's an invalid point. This is a HTC device, not the standard AOSP code.
Nexus is still better. 720p encoding will come soon. FM radio coming too. Better updates. Amoled. More dpi. Better support. Better trackball. Noise cancellation. Better battery. Its not hard to root. Don't expect evo root too soon. Gonna take time like Eris did. CDMA means give up ur phone to switch service. Immense lock down by HTC. BEST THING - CYANOGEN NATIVE SUPPORT , kmobs n other devs. Nexus has a better dev support too. Intelligent than other phones users (sorry had to say this. Saw users for other phones n think n1 has better users. N1 has a better form factor. There are countless more advantages
Evo.- just better multi touch n bigger LCD screen n less dpi. 4g=3g it doesn't increase speed but 4g is less congested as it handles traffic better than 3g. See the incredible. It will not get root anytime soon and its camera is worse than n1, more megapixels doesn't mean better photo
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Nexus is still better. 720p encoding will come soon. FM radio coming too. Better updates. Amoled. More dpi. Better support. Better trackball. Noise cancellation. Better battery. Its not hard to root. Don't expect evo root too soon. Gonna take time like Eris did. CDMA means give up ur phone to switch service. Immense lock down by HTC. BEST THING - CYANOGEN NATIVE SUPPORT , kmobs n other devs. Nexus has a better dev support too. Intelligent than other phones users (sorry had to say this. Saw users for other phones n think n1 has better users. N1 has a better form factor. There are countless more advantages
Evo.- just better multi touch n bigger LCD screen n less dpi. 4g=3g it doesn't increase speed but 4g is less congested as it handles traffic better than 3g. See the incredible. It will not get root anytime soon and its camera is worse than n1, more megapixels doesn't mean better photo
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and N1 is unlocked, so us Indian users love it for that reason also
charnsingh_online said:
Nexus is still better. 720p encoding will come soon. FM radio coming too. Better updates. Amoled. More dpi. Better support. Better trackball. Noise cancellation. Better battery. Its not hard to root. Don't expect evo root too soon. Gonna take time like Eris did. CDMA means give up ur phone to switch service. Immense lock down by HTC. BEST THING - CYANOGEN NATIVE SUPPORT , kmobs n other devs. Nexus has a better dev support too. Intelligent than other phones users (sorry had to say this. Saw users for other phones n think n1 has better users. N1 has a better form factor. There are countless more advantages
Evo.- just better multi touch n bigger LCD screen n less dpi. 4g=3g it doesn't increase speed but 4g is less congested as it handles traffic better than 3g. See the incredible. It will not get root anytime soon and its camera is worse than n1, more megapixels doesn't mean better photo
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The "more dpi" argument is moot because of the way the nexus's screen is; I can very easily discern individual pixels without being very close to the screen; in contrast, i dont believe that problem will exist with the tft lcd.
"4g doesnt increase speed" Who told you that?? If it didnt increase speed then there would hardly be any point.
Haha, what's with the Evo hate guys?
This phone will bring a *HUGE* surge to the spread of Android. If marketed well and the device is issue-free, it'll be another shot of adrenaline like what Verizon did with the Droid Does campaign.
Evo is amazing. Nexus Two will be amazing just as well.
Enough with the Android-on-Android hate. The real enemy is the FRUIT!
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Haha, what's with the Evo hate guys?
This phone will bring a *HUGE* surge to the spread of Android. If marketed well and the device is issue-free, it'll be another shot of adrenaline like what Verizon did with the Droid Does campaign.
Evo is amazing. Nexus Two will be amazing just as well.
Enough with the Android-on-Android hate. The real enemy is the FRUIT!
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What he said. A good phone that should sell well and we all win because of it.
Paul22000 said:
Haha, what's with the Evo hate guys?
This phone will bring a *HUGE* surge to the spread of Android. If marketed well and the device is issue-free, it'll be another shot of adrenaline like what Verizon did with the Droid Does campaign.
Evo is amazing. Nexus Two will be amazing just as well.
Enough with the Android-on-Android hate. The real enemy is the FRUIT!
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Exactly! Once Android becomes the dominant mobile OS we will crush our real enemies... stupid apple phanboys!
Be happy for fellow android EVO users, were all in this together...
I'm not sure if it's just marketing or not, but Sprint has always seemed to me as the "big boys" smartphone ring. Like executive and top level type people that use sprint.
Nice hardware, but god damn it's ugly!
The only turn off about this phone is the extra $10 4G fee even if your city doesn't have 4G yet.
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The only turn off about this phone is the extra $10 4G fee even if your city doesn't have 4G yet.
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Even with that it's cheaper than other carriers.
Been looking around on line and haven't seen anything confirming when we will get our update. Anyone got any good speculation.
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Been looking around on line and haven't seen anything confirming when we will get our update. Anyone got any good speculation.
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The international version of the phone is supposed to have it by the end of September. This is in no way an indication as to when the other phones will. It would make sense that they would give it to the international version first, then roll it out at the same time for all of the US variants (vibrant, captivate, fascinate, Epic).
I'm certain Sprint users would be in an uproar of AT&T got it first.... and the same goes for other carriers.
International version is getting it 23rd
http://androidspin.com/2010/09/13/rumor-samsung-galaxy-s-to-get-froyo-around-23rd-september/
Don't know about US versions but Epic might take a bit longer because they still gotta make TW3 work..
Didn't sprint say that the Epic was for sure getting it this month? I thought I remember reading that somewhere?
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As much as my Epic is my precious baby, if Samsung does NOT have Froyo + bug fixes out by the end of this month, I will be returning my phone for a EVO.
Samsung STILL hasn't put out bug fixes for the Captivate or Vibrant, and I'm losing the small amount of faith i had in samsung.
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As much as my Epic is my precious baby, if Samsung does NOT have Froyo + bug fixes out by the end of this month, I will be returning my phone for a EVO.
Samsung STILL hasn't put out bug fixes for the Captivate or Vibrant, and I'm losing the small amount of faith i had in samsung.
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an epic user actually admits that samsung didn't fix captivate and vibrant. Someone was in the evo subforum saying that there were no problems with captivate or vibrant.
Also tbh, i wouldn't get my hopes up for the OFFICIAL release from samsung on froyo, but most likely someone will port another galaxy S update to the epic. So sort of like a custom rom with froyo running it.
Was told early to mid October today.
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Was told early to mid October today.
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October isn't cutting it for me...
We only have Samsung's word when it comes to updates that they will push. After Samsung publicly promised that Froyo would be out by September, now you say mid-October?
Of course the updates will roll out once everyone's 30 day return period is up.
Samsung didn't even *promise* for other bug fixes that the Galaxy phones have! I mean come on, have you seen the list of official problems with the Fascinate? How long do you think those problems will take to be fixed (if ever?)
I'm being a pessimist, but I would LOVE for Sammy to prove me wrong.
I have not heard anything about the Epic getting the update but I know Verizon is planning as of right now for an October 2.2 update.
I will bet now that clockwork is slowly getting ported over that a custom 2.2 rom is not very far away for the rooted memebers
Definitely like the Epic more than Evo so not even considering moving anywhere. Who doesn't like improvements to their gadget..
Despite all the haba-haba concerning the gps, mine works fine with gmaps and copilot, no back button issue and so forth. Now if I could just find the battery drain culprit I'll be even more satisfied. As I'm typing I can watch my battery drop from 74 to 72. The battery meter/gauge needs some calibrating I think and some power management would be welcome.
Hmm, what else..guess I'll be on ebay later today for some cheap xl batteries and such. But seriously, this phone blows me away..so good and responsive. Love it.
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... I mean come on, have you seen the list of official problems with the Fascinate? How long do you think those problems will take to be fixed (if ever?)
I'm being a pessimist, but I would LOVE for Sammy to prove me wrong.
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Being an Epic user why are you even worried about the Fascinate? Especially since most of its problems are due to the Verizon customizations and a lack of QA by Verizon.
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Being an Epic user why are you even worried about the Fascinate? Especially since most of its problems are due to the Verizon customizations and a lack of QA by Verizon.
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samsung is the one that issues the updates, not verizon. Since fascinate is a galaxy S phone, just like the epic, with common/similar problems, it might have the same treatment as the fascinate had (which means 1-2 updates, and then nothing).
People keep saying that galaxy s phone is where samsung "turns" their rep around, but i have yet to see any of the galaxy s phones being supported. Hence why i said there might not be a 2.2 update, but will most likely be a 2.2 rom modded for the epic.
Samsung hasn't even activated their MediaHub which, theoretically, will bring in a lot of revenue. I'm sure that is a higher priority for them than 2.2. I wouldn't expect our updates before they get that out the door. But then I'll start worrying.
Having a Nexus One And HD2 with android 2.2 i gotta say im disappointed by this phone. Not because of the hardware, Its great. I love throwing video files on it and watching them on the wonderful screen, i love the keyboard, pretty much no hardware complaints. But I been spoiled by android 2.2 and its enhancements.
I didnt think it would be a big deal when i got the phone, but i constantly find myself going back to my other phones for web browsing (sprint 3G is a JOKE!) and using my epic for video playing. I only had the phone a couple days and im gonna give it a better shot, but hopefully we see 2.2 by the beginning of october. If not i will sadly return the phone and pony up for a G2 or My touch HD.
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Despite all the haba-haba concerning the gps, mine works fine with gmaps and copilot, no back button issue and so forth. Now if I could just find the battery drain culprit I'll be even more satisfied.
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Just a shot in the dark but is your phone settings keeping the GPS sensor powered up all the time? I mean, the symptoms match.
MvP77 said:
Having a Nexus One And HD2 with android 2.2 i gotta say im disappointed by this phone. Not because of the hardware, Its great. I love throwing video files on it and watching them on the wonderful screen, i love the keyboard, pretty much no hardware complaints. But I been spoiled by android 2.2 and its enhancements.
I didnt think it would be a big deal when i got the phone, but i constantly find myself going back to my other phones for web browsing (sprint 3G is a JOKE!) and using my epic for video playing. I only had the phone a couple days and im gonna give it a better shot, but hopefully we see 2.2 by the beginning of october. If not i will sadly return the phone and pony up for a G2 or My touch HD.
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What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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You also get the v8 engine in the browser which makes it much faster at rendering photos.
Btw, sprint's 3g I find to be much better than t-mobiles since you could walk 5 feet and be stuck on edge with them. Happens to my sister with n1 all the time. We are in an area that is 3g for the other 3 carriers but only edge for tmo.
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What enhancements? The UI is the same as 2.1. It's not going to change that much. Sure, the benchmarks will be much higher because of JIT, but performance isn't going to increase that much. I'm not sure what you mean by being "spoiled". Do you mean the apps2sd card feature that only about 1 in 20 apps have?
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Lol, no its more than that. Like I said I love the phone. But I miss things like flash 10. The new gmail and Google search. Other things I cant put my hands on at this moment.
Like I said, I didn't think it would be a big deal when I got the phone and its really not as I replaced Google search with vlingo and use skyfire for video (when I can get decent speeds on sprints so called 3G or 4G.)
Funny, as I type this I realized the problem I have is not so much 2.1 vs 2.2 (although 2.2 is just better) but more with sprints network. On 3g I only get an avg of .5kbs and on 4G I get around 2 saw as high as 5mbs. I avg atleast 4mbs on T-Mobile.
It makes a world of difference when browsing or checking out a quick video.
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You also get the v8 engine in the browser which makes it much faster at rendering photos.
Btw, sprint's 3g I find to be much better than t-mobiles since you could walk 5 feet and be stuck on edge with them. Happens to my sister with n1 all the time. We are in an area that is 3g for the other 3 carriers but only edge for tmo.
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Total opposite for me. I have 3g everywhere I go on T-Mobile. Maybe if I go 30miles outside the city to the country it would be like that. But I don't go outside major cities to often
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Samsung hasn't even activated their MediaHub which, theoretically, will bring in a lot of revenue. I'm sure that is a higher priority for them than 2.2. I wouldn't expect our updates before they get that out the door. But then I'll start worrying.
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Quick google search turned up several articles stating a release date of September 16th for the media hub: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368537,00.asp
Hardware aside, I'm willing to sell my Vibrant for this phone for the simple fact the G2 will have stock android. I'm getting very close to the point where I will not support phones that do not ship with stock android. Seeing motoblur or touchwiz makes me sick. The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
Only T-Mobile has released stock android devices to this day (in the US). This could set T-Mobile higher than the competition if they would just release more stock phones. The first MyTouch ran on vanilla android so why can't the new one do the same?
I'm really looking forward to the G2. Looks like a great business phone. The keyboard looks great (could be better with a 5th row) and the z-hinge will be a cool addition. This thing is going to have incredible developer support just like the G1. Why do you think so many G1 owners still use that phone? The dev community kept it alive. All of the stock android phones have huge dev support. This one will be no different.
Still disappointed that it only ships with a 1300mAh battery. Even if you can overclock the phone it would be smart not to as it would drain hella fast. Hopefully they will sell 1500-1700mAh batteries that don't make the phone too much thicker.
Can't wait to see actual footage of the phone. Hopefully tomorrow at the HTC event they show it off. I've heard T-Mobile employees who have seen the phone saw its amazingly fast. It better live up to the hype, although for practical use I don't think HSPA+ will be much faster than 3G at this point.
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Hardware aside, I'm willing to sell my Vibrant for this phone for the simple fact the G2 will have stock android. I'm getting very close to the point where I will not support phones that do not ship with stock android. Seeing motoblur or touchwiz makes me sick. The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
Only T-Mobile has released stock android devices to this day (in the US). This could set T-Mobile higher than the competition if they would just release more stock phones. The first MyTouch ran on vanilla android so why can't the new one do the same?
I'm really looking forward to the G2. Looks like a great business phone. The keyboard looks great (could be better with a 5th row) and the z-hinge will be a cool addition. This thing is going to have incredible developer support just like the G1. Why do you think so many G1 owners still use that phone? The dev community kept it alive. All of the stock android phones have huge dev support. This one will be no different.
Still disappointed that it only ships with a 1300mAh battery. Even if you can overclock the phone it would be smart not to as it would drain hella fast. Hopefully they will sell 1500-1700mAh batteries that don't make the phone too much thicker.
Can't wait to see actual footage of the phone. Hopefully tomorrow at the HTC event they show it off. I've heard T-Mobile employees who have seen the phone saw its amazingly fast. It better live up to the hype, although for practical use I don't think HSPA+ will be much faster than 3G at this point.
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I agree. I cant wait for the G2. Ive been a G1 owner the past 2 yrs. Cant wait to upgrade. Oh by the way, the Droid 1 had stock android.
actually i can vouch for the HSPA+ speeds, on 3G my mytouch slide was getting just under 1Mbps and when they flipped on the towers around me i started pulling 4-5 Mbps so with the limit of the device set at 14.4 Mbps then i am sure we can get at least 8 possibly more than that(of course it will diminish once more people are on the network just like anything else
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That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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If that is the Idea then there is no room to ***** about the fragmentation of the OS itself by Google. I for one like the idea of a vanilla platform. As many have stated, this allows for quicker updates of the software, where all the tightly integrated crap like motobelch either causes huge delays, or the updates never come due to development costs. Hats off to t-mobile for this phone and I'm glad I did not jump on the Vibrant even though its a great device.
I just hope I can get it on our corporate plan.
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That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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agree. people should be able to do whatever they want with android. I don't have the expertise to know about licensing and when you can legally profit off of customizing someone else's work, but I think there should be a free market so people can choose what they want. personally, I prefer stock. I'll continue to support handsets that come with stock. but I like how there are other versions. I mean... the same principle that allows android to be modded into sense and touchwiz is the same one that allows Cyanogen to legally release his mods.
stock is awesome cause froyo has built in tethering and hotspot support also allows for faster updates and better compatibility with custom roms.
G2 having vanilla android was the nail in my nexus coffin to Oklahoma thank you ebay.
The G2 is going to be friggin awesome. I cant stay off the computer waiting for the email from T-Mobile.
Edit: sold that baby for 480 buckaroos, had to do it while the gettin's good.
navillos said:
G2 having vanilla android was the nail in my nexus coffin to Oklahoma thank you ebay.
The G2 is going to be friggin awesome. I cant stay off the computer waiting for the email from T-Mobile.
Edit: sold that baby for 480 buckaroos, had to do it while the gettin's good.
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Haha. Sold my Vibrant today for $450!
Actually, the Verizon Motorola Droid 1, and LG Ally run stock android
Sent from my HTC Espresso, that is apperantly a failin device using the XDA App
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Actually, the Verizon Motorola Droid 1, and LG Ally run stock android
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except the original droid was pretty slow and the ally had some proprietary apps and themes on it.
My buddy that has used both phones said the N1 was snappier than the G2 in OS performance. Kind of bummed, they keyboard alone isn't enough for me since I've gotten used to SlideIt but maybe the hspa+ will be enough. I'll be keeping both phones just in case.
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My buddy that has used both phones said the N1 was snappier than the G2 in OS performance. Kind of bummed, they keyboard alone isn't enough for me since I've gotten used to SlideIt but maybe the hspa+ will be enough. I'll be keeping both phones just in case.
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could have been an early version and i find that odd since every other report says its supposed to be as fast or faster. its best to just wait and see for yourself. such as with more ram the phone will stay faster longer and multitask better then the n1 also more internal memory so you can have more apps without having to use aps2ext. plus a hardware keyboard is a must for some people though maybe not to you. the point is the nexus is dated in many ways so the g2 will outperform it in the long run. its better to wait until everything is finalized and the product is released then phonescoop and phonearena can do the comparisons with actual video and show which is faster.
agh. just want it to come out so we can run linpack on it and compare it with other phones
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stock is awesome cause froyo has built in tethering and hotspot support also allows for faster updates and better compatibility with custom roms.
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Here in lies the problem with calling the G2's Android 2.2 "stock" Android.
TMO has removed the wifi hotspot option from the OS.
Can it really be called stock then ?
Seems to me it cant be.
I have 2.2.1 on my Nexus and it has the wifi hotspot.
And its faster than tethering.
So TMO is in my estimation ripping people off calling it stock or vanilla.
Just saying.
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Here in lies the problem with calling the G2's Android 2.2 "stock" Android.
TMO has removed the wifi hotspot option from the OS.
Can it really be called stock then ?
Seems to me it cant be.
I have 2.2.1 on my Nexus and it has the wifi hotspot.
And its faster than tethering.
So TMO is in my estimation ripping people off calling it stock or vanilla.
Just saying.
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Yeah, I don't like that they removed the hotspot in their flagship HSPA+ phone. That is insult to injury. I am not even getting > 1MB and am squarely in a HSPA+ area - that, my friends, is the injury.
Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.
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Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.
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Yes. Now the question is, will we be able to get the HSPA+ antenna and the Vibrant 4G FFC from http://globaldirectparts.com/ and just flash the ROM over?
I doubt the radio, but I'm giddy like a schoolgirl if the FFC works. Not like I'll really use it, but itl be fun to add.
on second thought.... it may even be the same radio, just locked out at first to give the + more "features". or maybe slight design/performance issues they corrected for the "+".
Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.
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Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.
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+1
I agree with him.
I've disassembled and inspected my vibrant just for the curiousity of it, and i compared majority of the parts to the I9000, and some are totally different specs, but definetly compatible.
With that said, i'm not surprised if they did change the chipset/radio to get the so called, "HSPA+" speed.
Sent from the helm of the Vibrant Galaxy!
Gps hardware changed also probably.
My vote goes to different hardware, and I can almost certainly bet the GPS hardware will be changed too.
Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Don't know that it's been officially announced but 2/23 is the rumor I keep seeing.
No, what makes you think that? "This Changes Everything. Again."
-Steve Jobs
rjgreen3 said:
Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
It took 3 months for Samsung to release a software fix that didn't fix most of the disfunctional GPSs. A month or so later they release a patch that finally fixed them, except for the ones with a hardware problem. It took them 6 months to release Froyo, long after Gingerbread is old news. And that was probably the result, at least in part, of the #NeverAgain campaign.
And I'm glad that Eugene is doing something with the Behold, because Samsung sure couldn't care less. But even a good dev like Eugene can't fix the hardware issues that plague the Behold.
So if you want to get fleeced by a company that wants your money but doesn't want to give you support after they have your money, feel free to deal with Samsung.
Personally, I'd get the G2. HTC, while not perfect, has shown a LOT more inclination to comply with the spirit of the Apache license and the OHSA charter.
And while, as someone commented, you may not care if Samsung ever updates your TV or not, there are other options out there with just as high a contrast ratio and from companies that has shown that they are willing to support their customers in the past (LG and ViewSonic).
Frankly, I'm pretty pissed off at the mod who locked the "Do you still hate Samsung?" thread, categorizing it as "whining". For consumer activism to be effective, people must remember. Samsung and their ilk count on people forgetting that they are a bunch of ripoff artists.
My wife has a G2, it's a very fine phone. My advice is to get it. I wish I had waited for a G2 rather than buying a Vibrant at launch.
Whether or not the old Vibrant can do HSPA+ depends on the chips inside the phone.
Its not uncommon for two tiers of products (like computer processors) to ship with the same hardware, but different settings/firmware to enable or lock out certain features.
Keeps manufacturing costs down to do it that way because you can use the same assembly line and parts for all of your products.
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Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
I've had a wonderful time with my vibrant and thanks to Samsung and the devs on this site, I have had froyo for months now.
Although there has been no "official" froyo update until now it's incorrect to say Samsung has been doing nothing for the Vibrant. It seems to me they have been working towards a release pretty consistantly. Since November there has been at least 8 leaked builds of froyo that Samsung has put together.
JK2, JK6, JL1, JL4, JL5 KA5, KA6, KA7. That's a lot of work.
I'm luckily one who has always had a working GPS so I haven't had to deal with that problem but I still test every modem to see which one I like best. I mixed and matched so many roms, kernels, modems, it's been a blast.
Using apps like launcher pro, desktop visualizer, widgetlocker I've been able to make my phone unique to me.
I wouldn't know what to do with a stock ota release.
And talking about Gingerbread, how many other phones have it now?
With the Nexus S so close to the Vibrant and such a good group of devs working on the Vibrant, I'd wager we get a working Gingerbread rom before most other phones out there.
P.S. I'm an old fart, have been a software project manager for decades, I live my life in the BETA zone.
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If they wanted to really make it a killer device and not just the most infinitesimal incremental upgrade to the Vibrant, they would start with 2 things: 1) Up the RAM to 1 GB (maybe 768 MB) as Android is a RAM hog, well really Java is a RAM hog. 2) Use higher bin'd CPUs and include a "turbo" throttle mode to go to 1.2~1.3 GHz for short bursts (since most of us can and more with SetCPU and a O/C kernel).
I'd love to see a version with a slide out keyboard similar to the G2 or TP2 and bigger battery. A truly brilliant engineer would make a keyboard/extended battery a snap on add-in module that replaced the back cover and existing battery without a ton of extra bulk (The camera is offset enough to just leave an slot at one end of the slide out tray). Make it an option package under $50-70 and I would be in line to toss in some extra cash.
Another odd niggle of the Vibrant is the lack of hardware camera button. I am willing to bet they took it out because of complaints regarding previous hardware camera button implementations. All the Behold/Instinct/Solstice/Highlight/etc phones the camera button a) stuck out further than all other buttons b) if held for a few seconds would break any screen lock and start taking pictures while in your pocket.
I bought the Nexus S about a month ago, while reading the reviews for the phone, I read that a lot of people were complaining about the lack of 4G in the phone. I live in India, so I looked up the specs to see if the 3G bands will be compatible here or not, then I realized that one of the main reasons Google opted for T-mobile was that the 3G bands were the same as the ones in Europe and in most of the world, so I guess this made the overall manufacturing easy. The HSPA+ that T-mobile has is a more proprietary technology and would've required them to release a separate model. Similar is the case with AT&T, their 3G bands are totally different. So I think that in a way they had a broader perspective in mind and were thinking about making the same for all the countries and not just making an America - Specific phone.
And to me 4G doesn't matter that much, because well, we're yet to have 3G here on all operators, 4G would be too far away!
Wow awesome explanation man thanks. That makes a lot of sense.
Sent from my CM7 Nexus S!
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The HSPA+ that T-mobile has is a more proprietary technology and would've required them to release a separate model.
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HSPA+ is not "proprietary" to T-Mobile, and it's not dependent on the frequency bands in use.
This is what I keep saying, the bands T-Mobile uses are more universal.
Sent from my Nexus S
Don't the radio chips that support T-Mobile's "4G" (HSPA+) also support the standard 3G as a fallback?
If they didn't, then the G2 and MT4G wouldn't work in all the parts of the US where T-Mo's not upgraded yet.
Sorry I don't know too much about T-Mobile myself since I live in India, I just wrote down whatever I could make out from the given specs of the Nexus S and the G2 and MT4G.
It may not be a proprietary technology then.
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t-mobile is coming out with the new Samsung Galaxy S 4G between Feb/Mar 2011
it's rather obvious why they held back on the Nexus S, so that it wont over shadow the next release of SGS 4G
http://www.gsmarena.com/notblurry_photos_of_samsung_galaxy_s_4g_for_tmobile_appear-news-2262.php
AllGamer said:
t-mobile is coming out with the new Samsung Galaxy S 4G between Feb/Mar 2011
it's rather obvious why they held back on the Nexus S, so that it wont over shadow the next release of SGS 4G
http://www.gsmarena.com/notblurry_photos_of_samsung_galaxy_s_4g_for_tmobile_appear-news-2262.php
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If it's not stock android then it's not worth anything.
i'm hoping to see dual cores Nexus line up for next year
i wonder who's google going to choose for their next flagship
it'll most likely not be Samsung and probably not HTC
so that only leaves LG and Dell, as Acer and other smaller players don't have dual core ready yet
Zardos66 said:
If it's not stock android then it's not worth anything.
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There are MILLIONS of people who would disagree with that...
You're just not likely to see many of them in a forum like this.
there is always Cons and Pros about everything
it just depends from which angle you are Quantifying the worth of each aspect
in a way he got a very good point for the die hard fans of pure AOS experience
yet at the same time, those "customized AOS" fills other people cups of tea
ironically enough some iphone users does value the true AOS experience, and waiting for it to mature before switching from iOS to AOS (obviously switching phones as well)
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There are MILLIONS of people who would disagree with that...
You're just not likely to see many of them in a forum like this.
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Its the sad truth that most people can't even tell you what Sense UI is on their HTC phone, TouchWiz on their Sammy device, or MotoBlur on their Motorola phone =/ I know this because my Mom has a Sammy phone and she doesn't even know that there is a UI on there. She barely notices how differently my phone looks. My sister has a DInc which she upgraded from the G1 so I asked her how she liked SenseUI and her response? "SenseWhat?"
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Its the sad truth that most people can't even tell you what Sense UI is on their HTC phone, TouchWiz on their Sammy device, or MotoBlur on their Motorola phone =/ I know this because my Mom has a Sammy phone and she doesn't even know that there is a UI on there. She barely notices how differently my phone looks. My sister has a DInc which she upgraded from the G1 so I asked her how she liked SenseUI and her response? "SenseWhat?"
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Right on. To millions, actually hundreds of millions of users, the "pure android" is something they've never heard of, don't care about, and wouldn't recognize if it hit them in the face with a crowbar. That's why I chuckle when people around here say if it's not pure google it's worthless. Samsung, Motorola, RIM, and especially Apple are laughing all the way to the bank with their various GUIs, none of which are "pure google", and all of which have sold a crap-load more phones than any "pure google experience" phone has, or likely ever will.
Given the current rollout of T-Mobile's HSPA+, I'm more than okay with not having it on the Nexus S. It is exceptionally rare that I ever see speeds above 2mbps and when I do, I don't notice a difference in performance for any of the things that use the network. I experience the same when I mess around with my buddy's G2.
By the time we see an acceptable rollout of HSPA+, we'll also have a Google experience phone with a dual core that can actually deliver a better browsing experience and really take advantage of a wider spread HSPA+ network.
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Right on. To millions, actually hundreds of millions of users, the "pure android" is something they've never heard of, don't care about, and wouldn't recognize if it hit them in the face with a crowbar. That's why I chuckle when people around here say if it's not pure google it's worthless. Samsung, Motorola, RIM, and especially Apple are laughing all the way to the bank with their various GUIs, none of which are "pure google", and all of which have sold a crap-load more phones than any "pure google experience" phone has, or likely ever will.
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The OG Droid was a vanilla Android device and it's one of the best selling Android devices of all time.
j.bruha said:
The OG Droid was a vanilla Android device and it's one of the best selling Android devices of all time.
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Doubtful that had much if anything to do with "vanilla". Lack of competing Android devices, being on Verizon and superb marketing sold the Droid.
Pure Google is only "good" for updates (so far only bug fixes by the way with NS)....and for fanboys that dont even know anything about other Android variations...well of course there are people that just prefer stock...
Sense, TouchWiz, and Miui are pretty powerful overlays....dont know about Motoblur
I personally had hard time using stock OS after TouchWiz, and recently installed Miui on Nexus. I would take TW and Miui anyday over vanilla. Sense is pretty amazing too...best kb, best widgets....
Not too fond of TouchWiz or Motoblur, but I do like Sense, and MIUI is good, but I just don't like the iPhonish interface that it gives!
Apple = The Dark Side!
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Not too fond of TouchWiz or Motoblur, but I do like Sense, and MIUI is good, but I just don't like the iPhonish interface that it gives!
Apple = The Dark Side!
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Both Touchwiz and Miui can be customized to you preference, both look iPhonish when stock, but its an easy fix