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Are you trying to run good 3d games like NOVA, NFS Shift, Gameloft HD games on your galaxy 3 and when you ran them you only saw beatiful white textures on the screen and then started to abuse your phone's GPU. Actually you are there isnt any problem with galaxy 3's hardware it can run all the gameloft HD titles without any lag.
You can see on the youtube that a phone (crap) like LG GT540 Optimus can run gameloft HD games. It has only 600mhz processor and 156 mb RAM and not a very powerful GPU.
The actual problem with galaxy 3 is that its opengl drivers cant render 32-bit graphics and are replaced by white ones. It is probably possible it get its opengl drivers get updated after it gets official froyo update or it also possible if some developers finds way to put drivers in the phone.
I would be very grateful to the man who develops the drivers for this....eagerly waiting 2 play 3d games on my phone !!...
Since we have no one who could even build a AOSP build for our phone (Well, i'm personally trying, but it's quite hard to find doc), i don't think it will come..
But ask samsung on their open source website
apoorv28 said:
The actual problem with galaxy 3 is that its opengl drivers cant render 32-bit graphics and are replaced by white ones.
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Are you sure? I think it's because of OpenGL ES2.0, but I don't know too much about rendering system in android...
Yes 100% sure.
I am 100% sure. If anyone wants a proof then could check out youtube with Samsung GT-I5510 running NFS SHIFT smoothly. It has the same hardware as g3 the only difference is a QWERTY keypad. Also must be already knowing that LG GT540 and ATE blade dont have a powerful GPU. On youtube you would find former running BIA2 HD, NOVA HD etc and latter running Asphalt 5 smoothly.
I myself dont way to fix this problem so try to contact samsung or find a way to fix this.
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Are you trying to run good 3d games like NOVA, NFS Shift, Gameloft HD games on your galaxy 3 and when you ran them you only saw beatiful white textures on the screen and then started to abuse your phone's GPU. Actually you are there isnt any problem with galaxy 3's hardware it can run all the gameloft HD titles without any lag.
You can see on the youtube that a phone (crap) like LG GT540 Optimus can run gameloft HD games. It has only 600mhz processor and 156 mb RAM and not a very powerful GPU.
The actual problem with galaxy 3 is that its opengl drivers cant render 32-bit graphics and are replaced by white ones. It is probably possible it get its opengl drivers get updated after it gets official froyo update or it also possible if some developers finds way to put drivers in the phone.
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is there a way to check the opengl version?
(or Glide as they called it back in the voodoo days
Just a note for 3d games i would love to see half life 1 ported to android how awesome would that be!
I5500 and LG phone CPU HAS 3D ACCELARATOR!
If you carefully saw my post it is GT-I5510 not GT-I5500. I dont much about the LG phone but GT-I5510 has the same hardware as g3.
i5510 has the same processor as Spica.
I5800 DOESN'T have 3D HW accelarator.
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i5510 has the same processor as Spica.
I5800 DOESN'T have 3D HW accelarator.
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I already know that g3 hasnt got a 3d hardware accelerator. Why arent you ready to accept the truth. G3 is not that crap as you think. Want this link out this video shows GT-I5510 running NFS SHIFT super smooth!!!!!!!
Link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjd5X9pe5aA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
But without 3D accelarator is crap for games.
I5510 has, that's why can run NFS Shift.
Man it wud b damn awesum if iv can play dem on our G3....
-Devilgod (United Devils)
i5510 have a Samsung S3C6410(Spica's) CPU with 667MHz clock, and 512MB RAM
i5800 have a Samsung S5P6422 with 667MHz clock, 256MB RAM
The CPU itself is the same(ARM1176JZF-S). Only differences at tech - our's is 45nm, Spica is 65nm.
And at all - our processor is cutted version(DMA channels, GPU, etc) of Spica's.
6410 have a dedicated graphics unit, with OpenGL ES 2.0 support. That's why games are running at 5501
Technically, the Spica does not have a GPU either.. Just have a look at it's perf on benchmark on 2D/3D.. Pretty much the same as the i5800.
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i5510 have a Samsung S3C6410(Spica's) CPU with 667MHz clock, and 512MB RAM
i5800 have a Samsung S5P6422 with 667MHz clock, 256MB RAM
The CPU itself is the same(ARM1176JZF-S). Only differences at tech - our's is 45nm, Spica is 65nm.
And at all - our processor is cutted version(DMA channels, GPU, etc) of Spica's.
6410 have a dedicated graphics unit, with OpenGL ES 2.0 support. That's why games are running at 5501
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The specs that the mentioned about I5510 is totally wrong. You must have saw them link- onpdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2582&c=samsung_gt-i5510
It neither has i5700 cpu (if you know i5700 wasnt able to run proper 3d games even worse than i5800 although it had better gpu) nor any 512 mb RAM. The origional specs are found on link- gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_551-3515.php
I dont blame you though cause many people know the wrong. This message is also for Szaby59.
"The specs that the mentioned about I5510 is totally wrong."
No, you can see here the complete spec, not just MHz: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2582&view=1&c=samsung_gt-i5510
CPU: Samsung S3C6410 downclocked to 667, then "Browse devices based on S3C6410" or http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&cpu=a6410
And see devices...
"It neither has i5700 cpu (if you know i5700 wasnt able to run proper 3d games even worse than i5800 "
No it's the i5700 CPU, and can run 3D games with PROPER DRIVERS, which in Spica's case missing that's why i5700 can't run 3D games.
I5800 will never run any 3D game, because doesn't have the hardware to render it (ok you can play laggy white textures if it's enough for you).
I thank Szaby59 for taking interest in the thread. Now lets just gets rid off that i5510 (I have already tried my hands on it it has a slower UI than g3 and it has only 256 mb RAM not 512 mb as listed in your link but I am not sure about its CPU) topic it has gpu or not it dosent matters to us. We should think about galaxy 3. I actually a very big gamer yet I am in 9th grade only and have more than five years of extreme gaming experience. I am one of those guys who cant live without gaming even for 3 hrs. When I saw gameloft launching HD games for android I thought they would be supported on all android phones and resulted buying this crap. I already knew g3 had a bad gpu but my parents wont buy me a better phone.
Lets get down to the topic - Although g3 had problems with gpu I tried running some real 3d games on it and some of them even worked like raging thunder 2. Many people have problem running it on g3 and phones better than it. People usually see white textures on it but it ran it with full speed without any texture problem ( I going to upload its gameplay on youtube and paste its link here by tomorrow). Fifa 10 also worked on phone with only the texture of the field missing and rest of the details were ossom and the gameplay didnt lag. So after a plenty of research concluded that maybe the opengl drivers have problem rendering 32 bit textures just like spica. If there would have been a gpu problem rt2 wouldnt have ran so beautifully. So according to many people if its the gpu is weak then why does rt2 works on the phone? Please answer it.
What does it mean 'working' for you?
For me: good framerate, minimally 25 FPS, and correct textures.
In RG2 the whole car is a big white texture and lags.
If you wan't play some good game download angry birds or Sega Genesis Emulator and play old classics.
HD games maybe work, if the game doesn't require 3D accelarator.
Gsam101 said:
Since we have no one who could even build a AOSP build for our phone (Well, i'm personally trying, but it's quite hard to find doc), i don't think it will come..
But ask samsung on their open source website
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I Found this link of 3d drivers for the Spica, can it be modded on our G3.
http://forum.samdroid.net/f55/3d-driver-spica-1224/
http://forum.samdroid.net/f55/graphic-drivers-mix-3574/
For what?
Spica's CPU contains an OpenGL 2.0 ES 3D accelarator.
I5800 CPU only OpenVG and 2D.
Hi,
I'm looking for some HD games for Folio and I besides Dungeon and turbofly I couldn't get any to work. I'm specially looking for something like Dungeon Hunter, or Diablo, hack'n'slash I mean.
Do you know any HD game, beside this two, that will run on Folio?
Gameloft as incridible HD games but none works on Folio, because tegra2 texture compression is not supported.
This is a disapointment, as I expect that tegra 2 from nvidia had better game support and afterall it end up being one of must poorly supported platform in terms of games.
We no longer can say that tegra 2 is in its early days, almost 3 months have past since the launch and no support was added. Any new nvidia drivers to fix this issues with gameloft games. Any other publisher with HD games that run on folio.
I heard so much talking about how easy is to port the games from other platforms to tegra, but haven't seen any to this date? What's wrong with tegra?
Don't publishers like money?
Dude, have you tried Dungeon Defenders: First Wave ???
Imho this is the 1st proper game that supports Tegra 2 and runs like a candy on our Folio !!!
http://dungeondefenders.com
Yes I try it! Is a great game indeed. One think I love in this game are the graphics, but gameplay is not as good as one could expect.
I recently found a Beta version of robot defence and I must say it's awesome. Some animations are still poor but as I said is only a early stage demo of the game.
The lack of content for tegra 2 tablets is really a pain! Good games will make this things sell like hot cookies... but I guess google and nvidia are waitting to the last moment to make content available. Too sad though
I did find another great game, this time a shooter airattack HD
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I did find another great game, this time a shooter airattack HD
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What is that game called like?
Maybe we should make a 'games' topic, with in the first post a list with all perfect working game titles for our folio's
Airattack HD lite. I get it also in my ipod touch and it's a must for those who want to kill some time! Beautiful graphics, not full 3D but quite good
I will re-edit #1 post on this thread as soon I get some more games to work.
Some new games, and also some old ones are getting HD graphics. Tegra Zone will be launched soon, probably tomorrow.
Tegra 2 may result in a big fiasco if they don't launch exclusive games and apps... It's the first time I see a thing like this: launching a platform with no software, no games, nothing...
Nvidia should be more carefull. A5 from apple is on its way, samsung will have dual core soon, intel already has...
bastospn said:
Airattack HD lite. I get it also in my ipod touch and it's a must for those who want to kill some time! Beautiful graphics, not full 3D but quite good
I will re-edit #1 post on this thread as soon I get some more games to work.
Some new games, and also some old ones are getting HD graphics. Tegra Zone will be launched soon, probably tomorrow.
Tegra 2 may result in a big fiasco if they don't launch exclusive games and apps... It's the first time I see a thing like this: launching a platform with no software, no games, nothing...
Nvidia should be more carefull. A5 from apple is on its way, samsung will have dual core soon, intel already has...
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Doesnt work on my Folio (1.4)
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Doesnt work on my Folio (1.4)
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the game works, at LOGO screen press "HOME" once, and then "BACK" and menu appear..
same bug is seen on ElocityA7 , so its a nvidia bug in graphics driver for now..
Take a look at hexage games like buka hd or radiant hd. Really Nice and addictive, runs smoothly but not so kickass graphics like 3d or explosions.....
I'm also interested in a Hd gale topic.
Yes they are quite fine, not my kind of game though. If you have a Tegra 2 and 512 Megabytes of RAM, you will expect better. I could show this guys the kind of game that I had in my old Intel Pentium 1,3 Ghz, with no GPU by the way. So much power for nothing. A4 from Apple will not even stand against Tegra 2, but if you see the graphics...
I saw backbreaker running on a folio 100 on youtube, but when I run it (1.3d, now clean 1.4), the geraphics are pretty messed up?
The Samurai II: Vengeance was just released specifically for Tegra 2 devices.
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The Samurai II: Vengeance was just released specifically for Tegra 2 devices.
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Absolutly great... a real tablet game...a lot of great details in graphics, you can move control if you want etc.. . A must try!
Jp
Yes it is a most buy in every way. I love the sound and the graphics. Gameplay is great. Story line is very good.
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The Samurai II: Vengeance was just released specifically for Tegra 2 devices.
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Omg! That game is awesome! I really love it, it play well on our FolioMod v1.4. Thank you so much for recommending it!
So far the list of HD games that works on my Folio is:
- Air Attack HD
- Dungeon Defenders
- Samurai II Vengeance
There're other non-HD titles games but play well on Folio are:
- Fruit Ninja
- Glow Hockey
- Angry Birds
- Doodle Jump
- Ninjump
- Drift Mania
- Buka HD
- Dink HD
- Everlands HD
- Evac HD
Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
Samurai II Vengeance 1.0
I tried the game, something beautiful! and, indeed, are seen just how powerful the machine! and how good the video accelerator.
Hey you should try this one too...monster madness, tegra2 special : too expensive for me but looks very nice !!!
market.android.com/details?id=com.southpeak.monsterapp
Jp
Sorry for url i am not allowed to post one
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Hey you should try this one too...monster madness, tegra2 special : too expensive for me but looks very nice !!!
market.android.com/details?id=com.southpeak.monsterapp
Jp
Sorry for url i am not allowed to post one
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direct Market link here
Ok, market website fault.. seems the game is actually Tegra2 only!
poor support from Google's website, only showing non-tegra2 devices, when its actually tegra2 ONLY!
you need this View attachment build.zip (download attachment) to actually find it on the market, and buy/install it.
copy the build.prop (inside zip) to your /system folder and reboot.
and you find it.
is it just me or?
Why does the recently released games looks like Amiga500 from 1990?
Samurai II and Monster madness has cartoon like graphics which pretty much were fashion back in 90s when its was too hard to do better graphics and the no GPU were not capable of handling it.
is Tegra2 not better than a 90's cpu?
or should 3d games seen on other mobiles just wait, until Nvidia fixes the OpenGL ES issues, so its better supported, because its not just a port issue, its also the work tegra2 GL seems to be designed since games are still "2D"..
Thats just a thought...maybe you havent seen Amiga500 games, but they looks almost better sometimes
You are right! Some of this games are 2d only... But they are good enough to be played again and again, because they are fun. Most iPad and iPhone are just 2d because the game engine is more simple and the dev time is faster
hey guys, theres no video here but i contacted the guy who has the retail model of the galaxy s ii and i asked him to try out dungeon defenders.
he tried it and this what happenend:
"Currently all the startup pre-video things work fine, but the main menu-part is absent, only some green text near the top right hand corner saying "How to play". You hit that and it takes you to the tutorial, but nothing else seems to be there. Not sure what's going on "
any ideas whats going on here guys?
im thinking its got to do with graphics problems on gingerbread, but I might be wrong.
From his twitter:
dom_armstrong Dom Armstrong
http://youtu.be/0xbzyrVNiVA some 3d gaming on the #Samsung #Galaxys2 with "Reckless Racing". Trying to get Dungeon Defender...
Its because it wasn't built on/for the Mali 400 MP. Every hardcore game has different versions of it so as to accommodate the different GPU's. E.g. asphalt 6 has a version for powerVR sgx540 phones, whilst it has a different version for Adreno 205 and so on and so forth. So most hardcore games will have to be ported for the Mali 400MP, just like how it is being done for tegra devices now. Eg. Gameloft is making ports of every android game they have released for the tegra devices like the Atrix and Xoom.
look what i found
"the Galaxy S 2 is never anything less than blazingly, disgustingly fast. Dungeon Defenders, which uses the Unreal mobile engine, looks gorgeous and plays smoothly"
thats from this new review of the galaxy s ii from electric pig
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/04/22/samsung-galaxy-s-2-review/
Yeah I think that the version that he tested (on the OP post) was not compatible with the MALI400 GPU that's why it struggles like he said. That reminds me the exact same situation for the original Galaxy S when it was out there was one of the best game (if not the best game formerly) that had all the textures white and therefore was unplayable : Gangstar west coast hustle. That took about a month and a version made for the galaxy S was out with even better graphics than other version, and nowadays every game has a "galaxy S" version so don't worry too much bro
They don't necessarily need to make separate versions for different GPUs as the APIs are the same, but as with desktop cards you need to do compatibility testing. There's also a question of optional features which might be present on some GPUs but not all.
I hope and believe Galaxy S II will be very successful, at which point everyone will have to make sure their game works on Mali 400 as well as SGX, Tegra 2 and Adreno.
As some of you might have heard GTA III is coming to Android, but it isn't coming to S2 at launch, now I'm fine with this but one thing got me wondering is the reasoning:
"there are some other technical differences with the Galaxy S2 that make the development process a special case."
[cannot post source, visit rockstargames.com]
Special case? What makes the S2 a special case to develop for? Anyone have an idea?
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As some of you might have heard GTA III is coming to Android, but it isn't coming to S2 at launch, now I'm fine with this but one thing got me wondering is the reasoning:
"there are some other technical differences with the Galaxy S2 that make the development process a special case."
[cannot post source, visit rockstargames.com]
Special case? What makes the S2 a special case to develop for? Anyone have an idea?
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Most likely they are targeting the Tegra's GPU and using the non-standard nvidia-proprietary texture compressions.
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Most likely they are targeting the Tegra's GPU and using the non-standard nvidia-proprietary texture compressions.
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hope I don't get in trouble for this, here is the source I was referring to:
goo. gl/3dhmQ (remove spaces).
One of the devices it is being released on is the Galaxy R which is a variant of the S2.
The Galaxy R has tegra GPU. In Android, they are releasing it for Tegra devices first.
If you have rooted your S2, use Chainfire 3D to play it.
Frankly, I am not interested in GTA 3. I will be happy if they release Vice City.
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The Galaxy R has tegra GPU. In Android, they are releasing it for Tegra devices first.
If you have rooted your S2, use Chainfire 3D to play it.
Frankly, I am not interested in GTA 3. I will be happy if they release Vice City.
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Does Chainfire 3D affect the performance? In apps that you've tried?
Personally I am not eager to play GTA on my mobile phone when I completed it on my computer. Graphics are much better obv., and keyboard + mouse control > touchscreen.
Just my opinion.
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Does Chainfire 3D affect the performance? In apps that you've tried?
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I have not tried it. But it runs good on S2.
Frankly, I hate touchscreen gaming. Not my cup of tea. I have PSP and PS3 for gaming.
Have you guys tried Super Mario 64 (emulated) on the S2?
Man, if GTA III controls anything like that I'll be more than happy.
^Which emulator is required for that? N64?
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^Which emulator is required for that? N64?
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Yes, N64. I use one called N64oid.
i would say it will run beautifully on S2 using chainfire.. who knows it might run better on the S2 than tegra devices
and if the devs enable support for bluetooth keyboard it'll be far better..
compatibility list:
Android Phones: HTC Rezound, LG Optimus 2x, Motorola Atrix 4G, Motorola Droid X2, Motorola Photon 4G, Samsung Galaxy R, T-Mobile G2x
Android Tablets: Acer Iconia, Asus Eee Pad Transformer, Dell Streak 7, LG Optimus Pad, Motorola Xoom, Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 and 10.1, Sony Tablet S, Toshiba Thrive
i dont see xperia play here
Do you guys think it was a bad idea for Samsung to not put A tegra in the s2?
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Do you guys think it was a bad idea for Samsung to not put A tegra in the s2?
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NO, the exynos is FAR superior. Try playing main profile h264 on tegra-won't work, at all. Also, its just pain faster. It DOES use proprietary shaders which nvidia bribes devs to use, but if we can run those same games via EMULATION (chain fire) with no lag, obviously the exynos is the better chip. I'm quite happy with their choice (wish it was in the galaxy nexus...)
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Oh I guess I just got sucked into the hype, I mean the word tegra sounds so bad ass
Does it? I make Exynos the better word, as well a better chip. Mali's not as cool as far as words go.. there's not enough Xes in it.
For now I dream of the day they release an Exxxxxynoxxxxxs chipset.
Seriously though, if you're that bothered, you will be able to get gta 3 on your s2. Chainfire 3D will make it possible, although someone will probably have to fiddle a shader and the textures may be slightly deprecated.
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NO, the exynos is FAR superior. Try playing main profile h264 on tegra-won't work, at all. Also, its just pain faster. It DOES use proprietary shaders which nvidia bribes devs to use, but if we can run those same games via EMULATION (chain fire) with no lag, obviously the exynos is the better chip. I'm quite happy with their choice (wish it was in the galaxy nexus...)
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FAR superior is bull****. Without Chainfire MOD you could do nothing.
And Tegra 2 plays also high profile h264 with the right player (diceplayer).
Tegra 2 is reference design for android tablets and the new galaxy tab 10.1 is also Tegra 2!
I too agree that Mali 400 is not FAR superior. Its better, but not WAY better.
both tegra 2 and exynos uses the same cortex A9.. just assume both could run gta3 with exynos chainfired..
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FAR superior is bull****. Without Chainfire MOD you could do nothing.
And Tegra 2 plays also high profile h264 with the right player (diceplayer).
Tegra 2 is reference design for android tablets and the new galaxy tab 10.1 is also Tegra 2!
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Diceplayer does software decoding to play mkv files. This is not good as it means that the cpu is continously running as opposed to the exynos solution where it is means longer video playback time.
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i think it'll run fine through chainfire..i run shadowgun, tegra2 through chainfire 3d and its spot on. i can't see gta3 looking as good as shadowgun...i'd imagine they make a few versions. one for tegra2 devices, one for 'others'.
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Well i see lot of games coming for tegra this year
most of them for tegra 3
it really disappoints me
well somepoint iwill get the prime iguess in around 4 months in my birthday but until anyone has an idea if maybe a driver like chainfire could unabla tegra 3 on tegra 2
well iknow its not logic but you know like with chainfire that you can reduce texture quallity
(sorry for my really bad english XD)
well i have no idea what you asked
He wants to know if you can play tegra 3 games on a tegra 2 device.
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seems like what he is saying is that a lot of the newer games that have been announced have only been for tegra 3. but take shadowgun for example it was only soposed to be tegra 2 but later was given versions for otehr less powerfull chipsets. so i assue newer games will be announced for tegra 3 but after a month sor so there will be a tegra 2 version so not to worry. also im sure chainfire wil get right on it once more tegra 3 devices and games are out
I am guessing......
....and I could be wrong. That he is hoping that someone can wave a magic wand on all the new "Tegra 3 only" game titles (whatever they may be) and make them compatible with Tegra 2.
I believe, he thinks that Tegra 3 is driver related and not architecture change and therefore unlockable, like reducing the graphics settings on a new game to minimum so it plays on an old graphics card.
Sorry if that is not what you are thinking Hearmeman. Pure assumption on my part. Google "Differences between Tegra 2 and Tegra 3" and you will see it's not just graphics.
Well
about the architecture
i guess you can use qualcomm drivers and mali drivers on tegra 2
i cant any problems with tegra 3
i do know the chipset is changed
iguess chainfire will release a driver that allows that
Hehe, I'm down to 0 game on my TF. I guess I'm not as enthusiastic about tegra 3 as I should because I'm not a gamer.
Expect THD versions for Tegra 3 and then they will be adapted and the hardware restrictions will be lowered and given to other devices.
If a game was natively meant for Tegra 3, I wouldn't expect to see it on anything less than a Tegra 2 because then the developer would have to lower the game quality so much that it would insult how the game was meant to be played.
dont you think that they just can reduce texture or colors
it boost up the framerates
you see like in riptide they added motion blur and water splash nothing serious
im really looking forward to buy the prime the next few months but until then
Hmm, I must have been looking at other games, the ones I saw said they would be for T2 with enhanced versions for T3.