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HTC Legend .. Intensive 3D Gaming ?

Hey
i'm really consedoring buying the legend , just wondering since the CPU is 600MHz , will it be good with intensive 3D gaming like Asphalt 5 , Raging Thunder and Deliverace ?
or should i get the Samsung Wave instead ? cause i won't buy a phone that don't game well

Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.

RaiderX303 said:
Unlike the HTC hero, the legend has a dedicated GPU so will be better for games.
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then why do they say that the legend is only a slight upgrade from the hero in terms of tech?

it runs 3d games smooth, that is the 3d games out now and support tilt control, and that are not a lot of games.
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
simply said, if you want to go for a mobile that supports hardcore 3d games and thatw really important to you in the long term, then get the desire or nexus or iphone. Sure the Legend support and runs the current gen of games perfect. There will come a time in next couple of month when increasing spec demand on a mobile will get the Legend a step back.
But who knows, the Hero getting an upgrade to 2.1 and it performs 100% better then on 1.6 android.

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hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus

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The MSM7200 SoC in the Hero does have a GPU based on ATI Imageon technology. It's not a particularly capable unit, but it is there.
Regards,
Dave

jakontil said:
hi mate can u please confirm any source regarding its dedicated GPU?
i am so excited if this is true since i have milestone which runs on a dedicated GPU and it plays asphalt much better than Nexus
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Take a look here: qualcomm.com/news/releases/2009/02/12/qualcomm-targets-sub-150-smartphones-versatile-high-performance-chipset-sup
The new MSM7227 chipset features a 600 MHz applications processor with a floating point unit, 320 MHz application DSP, 400 MHz modem processor, hardware-accelerated 3D graphics
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Apparently it supports OpenGL 2.0 whereas the Hero's dedicated GPU only suppors OpenGL 1.0. So it should perform better, but so far there are hardly any Android apps that make use of a dedicated GPU so it's hard to actually say how big the difference is.

Jarune said:
Asphalt, smooth but no tilt control
Raging thunder, smooth for 98%
Google Earth (almost a game) no support doesn´t boot up
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I tried these out on my Legend.
Asphalt does work and so does tilt control. You have to enable accelerometer in the game options. The game seemed incredibly fast though. But maybe that's how it's supposed to play.
Raging Thunder. No problems there. Pretty fun too.
And as you said, google earth doesn't even start up

is it asphalt 5 or 3?

pollokp said:
is it asphalt 5 or 3?
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I suppose it is 3....

3D Gaming Tests
I have tested some 3d games from the market place. Some of them only in a lite version, but the graphics should be the same... ^^
There is a rating system om smoothness from 1-5
Speedx 3D
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-beepstreet-speedx-wFnn.aspx
Its product specification tells the truth. It delivers stunning 3D accelerometer controlled tunnel experience without any lags.
5
Armageddon Squadron
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-asquadron-pmqD.aspx
By stopping all tasks with my advanced task manager it runs quiet well. But not as smooth as Speedx 3D. Looks like 20 FPS. Anyway its playable and its still fun...
4
Raging Thunder 2 Lite
http://www.androlib.com/android.screenshot.app.nwtE-tEiE.u.aspx
Wow! Amazing 3d graphics! But you reckognize that HTC maybe doesn´t use the full CPU capacity of the legend as it could use. Starting a Race it lags and after some seconds it becomes much smoother, but still a bit laggy. 15-20 FPS therefore you can play it,
3.5
Speed Forge 3D Demo
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.mag3dlite-speedforgedemo-qCmp.aspx
Perfect! Super smooth!
5
Magnetic Sports Soccer
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-revo-proto-tiqp.aspx
Runs very smooth with an occasional appearance of lags... Very seldom
4.5
ToonWarz - LITE
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-toonwarzlite-pqtB.aspx
Oh my godness! At first I thougt hey it runs not bad. But then the first enemies appeared and the FPS crashed totally! Unplayable³!
1
Kwaak3 - Quake 3 Arena for Android
http://code.google.com/p/kwaak3/
Very nice! After change the lightning from "Lightning maps" to "vertex" and the texture quality to 50% it runs very smooth with only one enemy and quiet okay with 3 enemies...
4.5
For shortness of this post i will only name the game and put a number behind it.
Homerun battle 3D demo- 5
Wave Blazer - 4
Quake 2&1 - 2
Mystique Chapter 1 - 5
My Paper - 5
Lybyrinth - 5
Dice 3D - 5
Friday Escape Lite - 3.5
Armadillo Roll Demo - 5
Vacuum - 5
Raging Thunder 1 - 5
NO ASPHALT 5!!!!!!!!
Upcoming tests after putting money aside
Exzeus Arcade - unfortunately no lite version out there
Deliverace - Omg! trailers look amazing! Hopefully it will be quiet smooth (not available at the moment)
Light Racer 3d - But maybe you can test these games??
Super G Stunt
SpaceTracks
Welcome to Hell 3D (not available at the moment)
Crusade of Destiny (not available at the moment)
AVERAGE RATING: 4,27777
After the devs have some clues to upgrade legends performance it could be nearly 5.

i know this thread is pretty old but i would like to add Dungeon Hunter.
the only game from gameloft that seems to work nearly perfect on the legend (no display resolution problems).
so, without overclocking version 3.11 runs pretty well. some buttons are deformed thats all.
the game doesn´t run perfect, but its playable.
version 3.5.7 (HD) works, too. but the graphics are deformed and youll get errors instead of videos.
Version 3.1.1 = 4.7/5
Version 3.5.7 = 4.2/5

so from all 3d gameloft games just dungen hunter will work well ?

i havent tested all games sofar, i m not that interessted in racing games or football managers and stuff.
but from the games ive tested (assassins creed, sandstorm, nova, hero of sparta and some other i forgot) only dungeon hunter works with the right resolution, nova was basicly playable, too (for example). but playing wouldnt be fun.

Just an aside 'cos I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, the MSM7227 has the same Adreno 200 GPU that is used in the 1GHz Snapdragon phones like the Desire. Not sure about the clock speed, but I'd imagine it bears at least some relation to the main CPU clock.
Remember though that the Legend has a lot less screen to fill up so the lower fillrate is not so much of an issue, if at all. In fact, when you look at the Neocore benchmarks, the Legend holds up pretty well.
This link* shows Neocore benchmark scores for various devices and although the Legend is not tested, the MyTouch Slide has the same MSM7227 so results are comparable.
A lot of the 3D games for Android look like fairly lazy ports of older iPhone apps (Gameloft, I'm looking at you!) and may not be particularly suited to one Android GPU or another. That's Android fragmentation and an immature market though, eh?
Having said that, if 3D performance is important then something like Galaxy S would surely be the choice handset. The 1+GHz high-resolution devices will be the target devices for any serious game development so you may find that 320x480 and lower handsets are ignored to a great extent. Whether a burgeoning budget market keeps these lower-end device on developers' minds remains to be seen.
Edit to add: The only 3D game I have and play regularly is Carrom 3D (great pool/snooker game) and this is smooth enough even with all the detail turned up. A lot of other apps 'running' in the background will cause occasional lag, but then this is the price we pay for a multi-tasking environment!
* Search for "high end android gpu showdown" to get link at Android&Me (can't link as I'm a new account)

The only game (that I tried) that lags on my legend is caligo chaser

FIFA10 lags too.

the legend isnt a real lower-end device (the wildfire is xD).
if google would optimize android and htc would optimize sense the cpu and gpu would have much more power to for example to play games more fluedly.
if coders would even try to optimize theyr games for legend (and it would be very easy for gameloft for example, htc legend is comparable to the iphone 3gs and most of there games are coded for exactly that device), they would work just perfect.
the lower cpu rate and the lack of ram isnt the real problem: compare the hardware of the phones to a pc 10 years ago, the snapdragon should reach better performance than an pentium 3/1ghz cause of the architectur, the gpu is far away from the power of a geforce 2mx, but still pretty good.
based on the better architecture (n45; arm) the 600mhz msm7227 should be comparable to a 800mhz pentium 3.
this hardware has to work with a smaller screen with a fixed resolution. they could reach so much better performance, graphics etc. they are just too lazy.
(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)

were2 said:
(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
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Yeah, but MHz to MHz rarely mean much, even in the same architecture. For example: The new Qualcomm CPU's, found in the Desire-Z (T-Mobile G2, 800MHz) outperform the 1GHz (1000MHz) CPU found in the Dersire by a long way (these are both ARM). If you look at AMD CPUs vs Intel CPUs then AMD almost always outperform Intel, even on a lower clock-speed. (Both the x86-64 architecture). MHz to MHz only has a real, measurable, bearing when applied to 2 of the same CPUs at to different clock speeds (overclocking)
Having said all that, I do agree with your post. The Legend is capable of so much more, if only people would take the time to code properly. Part of the problem is that people rely on the Dalvik VM (fairly phone-independent), so they rarely have to code on a "per-phone-model" basis. With the iPhone, as it's only ever 1 set of hardware, programmers can easily optimise it for the iPhone. It's much harder to optimise for Android, as it exists on so many phones, each with different specs. But that's the price you pay for choice...

Suprisingly the Legends GPU outperforms the Desire in 3D benchmarks. The CPU is certainly weaker in the Legend, but the comparison below is not quite far because the Legend is still on 2.1 and the desire benchmark was 2.2
Hopefully soon they can be compared like for like...
hxxp://wxw.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=HTC%20Legend&D2=HTC%20Desire%20(Bravo)&D3=Apple%20iPhone%204
THis is a good read:
hxxp://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105-analysis-of-qualcomm-msm7x27-msm7227-msm7627-and-msm7x25-msm7225-msm7625-processors-how-good-are-they/

Which android phone has full OpenGLES 2.0 support and most powerful GPU?

Hello!
I am looking for a new phone and would like to know which of the present android devices has full OpenGLES 2.0 support and the most powerful GPU for best game experience?
Thanks a lot!

So far from what I heard, the Samsung Galaxy S has the most powerful GPU. It is said to be 3 times faster than the GPU on the iPhone.

TI OMAP3 has the PowerVR GPU that's faster than in the Snapdragon processors. That's as far as I know.

Maybe an overclocked Droid/Milestone?

Zune HD has a nVidia Tegra last year, and this is about to come out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCTWkJRxm5E&feature=player_embedded
And I bet they are thinking up some cool new phones that not only have Tegra2 and can play a version of Unreal Tournament, but finally add some controls to make it usable. There are bigger devices (tablets) that have Tegra and Android that are out ? or will be out before any phone. Just check engadget.

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So far from what I heard, the Samsung Galaxy S has the most powerful GPU. It is said to be 3 times faster than the GPU on the iPhone.
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where did u reed this m8?

my 2c milestone/droid for best gaming experience.
1 of the most powerfull gpu's but 1up's everyone else with hardware keyboard
so far have been able to play any game no issues, including Gangstar, and Sandstorm (basically GTA3 and Call of duty knock offs) no overclock
for Nova (Halo knock off) i'd say overclock to 800mhz just to smooth it out.
Also Marvel vs capcom and all the snes games are killer on it -> perfect emulation no need to OC
out of the box their are some mandatory downloads (like launcher pro) to smooth it out, but once thats handled it can easily keep up if not surpass the X10, N1, & Desire. and pass all of them in gaming - rumor has it droid 2 is coming out soon so might want to wait for that.
1 last thing, I also heard Galaxy S had the best benchmarks of them all and the best graphics chip (can't remember from where) but again... no keyboard
PS milestone (GSM droid) can be OC'd without needing to reboot or anything, just up it before you start playing Nova

dungeon defenders problems on galaxy s ii

hey guys, theres no video here but i contacted the guy who has the retail model of the galaxy s ii and i asked him to try out dungeon defenders.
he tried it and this what happenend:
"Currently all the startup pre-video things work fine, but the main menu-part is absent, only some green text near the top right hand corner saying "How to play". You hit that and it takes you to the tutorial, but nothing else seems to be there. Not sure what's going on "
any ideas whats going on here guys?
im thinking its got to do with graphics problems on gingerbread, but I might be wrong.

From his twitter:
dom_armstrong Dom Armstrong
http://youtu.be/0xbzyrVNiVA some 3d gaming on the #Samsung #Galaxys2 with "Reckless Racing". Trying to get Dungeon Defender...

Its because it wasn't built on/for the Mali 400 MP. Every hardcore game has different versions of it so as to accommodate the different GPU's. E.g. asphalt 6 has a version for powerVR sgx540 phones, whilst it has a different version for Adreno 205 and so on and so forth. So most hardcore games will have to be ported for the Mali 400MP, just like how it is being done for tegra devices now. Eg. Gameloft is making ports of every android game they have released for the tegra devices like the Atrix and Xoom.

look what i found
"the Galaxy S 2 is never anything less than blazingly, disgustingly fast. Dungeon Defenders, which uses the Unreal mobile engine, looks gorgeous and plays smoothly"
thats from this new review of the galaxy s ii from electric pig
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2011/04/22/samsung-galaxy-s-2-review/

Yeah I think that the version that he tested (on the OP post) was not compatible with the MALI400 GPU that's why it struggles like he said. That reminds me the exact same situation for the original Galaxy S when it was out there was one of the best game (if not the best game formerly) that had all the textures white and therefore was unplayable : Gangstar west coast hustle. That took about a month and a version made for the galaxy S was out with even better graphics than other version, and nowadays every game has a "galaxy S" version so don't worry too much bro

They don't necessarily need to make separate versions for different GPUs as the APIs are the same, but as with desktop cards you need to do compatibility testing. There's also a question of optional features which might be present on some GPUs but not all.
I hope and believe Galaxy S II will be very successful, at which point everyone will have to make sure their game works on Mali 400 as well as SGX, Tegra 2 and Adreno.

Galaxy S 2 and FPSE (9th June)

hey all
i thought id share with you for those who would be interested in my first hands on experience with the samsung galaxy s2
well i went round my friends house after work, as he was waiting for one to be delivered as an upgrade, anyway he rang me to say that it was here,
so i thought id go up and have alook.
the first thing i did when he gave it me was.... drop it lol
he passed it me and it slipped right through my fingers it was so thin
it bounced on his hard laminated floor a few times but he just laughed.
it is a nice device, very slim altho abit wider than the play
the brightness on the screen was great
and it was very very snappy scrolling across homescreens and loading up apps,
exploring the memory with astro. i was impressed
and alot lighter than the play aswell
the quadrant scores were off the chart getting something like 3k+
linpack he was getting 48
i did notice that when running quadrant some of the textures were just plain solid shapes no actual textures. i thought maybe thats got something to do with that mali chipset that i heard didnt support certain texture compression but anyway.
i told him to fire up fpse to see what that ran like with the new fpse.
mines runs great hovering around at around 45-50fps
on most games. until i put on screen filtering
and that has a massive impact on fps it drops to around
27-30fps and games become unplayable even with frame skip on max
enhanced 3d rendering has little effect on fps so i keep that on
anyway i thought that the galaxy s 2 with the 1.2 dualcore and the mali 400mp
would power along when putting screen filtering on.
so i tried tekken 3 loaded it up. ran it but without screen filtering on
and it was buttery smooth stuck at 60fps.
then i turned on screen filtering and it dropped to 30/35fps
and was the same unplayable state mine was.
i was gob smacked surely a dualcore would best this???
my mate said, so looks like your not missing much gaming wise then compared to mine. i just smiled ,he hasnt got his for gaming mind.
i dont know if there was summat goin on, or a imcompatability with fpse
but it was an interesting discovery. i tried afew other games and they all were the same.
so as far as emulation and fpse goes were not getting left behind because we have no dualcore cpu.

Someone please correct me here if im wrong but what your saying is that a dual core cpu is the same speed as a single core cpu on single core programming, well yes that is going to be the obvous result, yes different single core speeds will have various results.
But unless a program has been coded for use with more than one processor then it will not make use of a dual core processor.
for example
a single core processor can work out
x = 5
y = ?
x * y = 15
this equation would take as much time on a single core processor as it would a dual core processor as you are waiting for the result of 15/x to work out what y is.
so until FPSE is programmed to allocate for dual core processors you will end up with the same speed of use, or very similar.

I have both, well sort off, play dead gone for repairing with sony, so bought S2 in the mean time, to tell you, S2 with 1gb RAM and Dual core Processor which can be overclocked to stable 1.66 ghz is way fast as compared to play, trust me, graphic wise both have 16m colors, but s2 with super amoled does it somehow better...i miss playing games the play way...thats all...I guess S2 is the world's fastest stable phone for now.....atleast I have both so know it...

shotgunfool said:
Someone please correct me here if im wrong but what your saying is that a dual core cpu is the same speed as a single core cpu on single core programming, well yes that is going to be the obvous result, yes different single core speeds will have various results.
But unless a program has been coded for use with more than one processor then it will not make use of a dual core processor.
for example
a single core processor can work out
x = 5
y = ?
x * y = 15
this equation would take as much time on a single core processor as it would a dual core processor as you are waiting for the result of 15/x to work out what y is.
so until FPSE is programmed to allocate for dual core processors you will end up with the same speed of use, or very similar.
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your forgetting about the more onboard ram the s2 has plus it has the mali 400mp Gpu

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your forgetting about the more onboard ram the s2 has plus it has the mali 400mp Gpu
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The tegra2 bests that GPU in every possible way.
Also doesn't the SGS II have an FPS limit.
Also Exynos as a whole is not all that more powerful than tegra2 I mean the reason the SGS II does so well on benchmarks is because of android 2.3 look at the Atrix 2.3 leak its benchmarks are off the charts as well.
And my last point. There is no need for all this power if it is not going to be used. I mean games need that type of power and games are best played with a gamepad. Why sony ericsson didn't put a tegra in the play is beyond me.

I tried tekken on it, could see puches coming at me my thumbb was always in the way. I told the owner to uninstall as gaming on something like that was a joke. He didnt agree until he tried my play.
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RacecarBMW said:
The tegra2 bests that GPU in every possible way.
Also doesn't the SGS II have an FPS limit.
Also Exynos as a whole is not all that more powerful than tegra2 I mean the reason the SGS II does so well on benchmarks is because of android 2.3 look at the Atrix 2.3 leak its benchmarks are off the charts as well.
And my last point. There is no need for all this power if it is not going to be used. I mean games need that type of power and games are best played with a gamepad. Why sony ericsson didn't put a tegra in the play is beyond me.
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yea I tried to play tekken and I just couldn't on the touch screen
IM so glad I have a play
its a great phone tho the gs2

crispyduckling said:
yea I tried to play tekken and I just couldn't on the touch screen
IM so glad I have a play
its a great phone tho the gs2
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Reason I switched too.
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Touchscreens suck for gaming.
No amount of processing power in the World will overcome this fact.

Games on HD2

Hi,
I wanted to ask if someone was able to run the game smoothly on hd2 cartoon wars. Maybe someone knows how to do it? I've tried a few roms also with HWA and nothing. Chainfire 3d program did not help too.

The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games

Marek989 said:
The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
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And how has the desire hd graphics processor? on this hardware the cartoon wars runs smoothly.

Luniopl said:
And how has the desire hd graphics processor? on this hardware the cartoon wars runs smoothly.
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I accidentally clicked thanks. Anyway, the Desire HD have Adreno 205, which have a lot more power

Hello. I have played many games on my hd2 and what i can say that modern combat series works well (even the third one), asphalt series is playble inc 7 heat but i dont like stering. You can play older gameloft games such as avatar, brothers in arms. Nova 2 and 3 are totaly unplayble. The greatets thing about adreno in our hd'2 is that you can run shadowgun and dead trigger (those two has a console graphics and they running very well). So im not totaly agreed with opinions that adreno 200 in hd2 is too weak to play games.

I play gameloft games too, they run well, yes, but not as fast. We need tweaks etc. for those games playing smooth. And, the Adreno 205 DONT need any tweaks. The Adreno 200 is Just too old, trust me.

Marek989 said:
I play gameloft games too, they run well, yes, but not as fast. We need tweaks etc. for those games playing smooth. And, the Adreno 205 DONT need any tweaks. The Adreno 200 is Just too old, trust me.
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and how can we tweak it? (not with buying a new phone haha xD)

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and how can we tweak it? (not with buying a new phone haha xD)
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Unless you know what you're doing, you'll need to use chainfire to lower textures. It'll run good enough but not well.
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Marek989 said:
The Adreno 200, that HD2 has, is just tooooo weak for playing games
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You're wrong.

Our HD2 is just too old for playing current games. Sorry. Other devices that run Adreno 200 have lower resolution (eg. 240x320 instead of 480x800). That's why it is so weak now. Maybe we will have next reovlution in HD2 development, but I don't think so. Other devices with native Android got faster by some tweaks, we had to get everything prepaired for our devices first (with base drivers too).

kubekpop said:
Our HD2 is just too old for playing current games. Sorry. Other devices that run Adreno 200 have lower resolution (eg. 240x320 instead of 480x800). That's why it is so weak now. Maybe we will have next reovlution in HD2 development, but I don't think so. Other devices with native Android got faster by some tweaks, we had to get everything prepaired for our devices first (with base drivers too).
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I have also played a few gameloft games including NOVA 2 which was not ideal 'cause of lagging a little but still playable. I even could start NOVA 3 but playing that was like pain in the ass. I didn't have problems with Mass Effect Infiltrator, and other games mentioned above. the only thing I still can't handle with is Dungeon Hunter 2. I wish I could play that. BTW pozdrowienia dla ziomków