I've been talking to svetius, the admin responsible for "User Experience" at XDA, and apparently the Desire Z and G2 forums are going to be merged very soon now.
So this is just a heads-up for everyone to expect this.
I think it's going to be a very very good thing, because after all the DZ and G2 are essentially the same phones and run the same custom ROMs, so it will be good to have everything in one place. I think it will also encourage people who develop things to check how they work on both the DZ and G2.
I've no idea how existing threads are going to be handled, but I'm sure the mods have it all in hand.
So soon, remember that we're going to be sharing an audience with G2 users, who of course have their own stock ROM, which don't have HTC Sense in. So when we post up about a basic problem with out phones, it's going to make it even more important to say which phone/ROM you have !
steviewevie said:
So soon, remember that we're going to be sharing an audience with G2 users, who of course have their own stock ROM, which don't have HTC Sense in. So when we post up about a basic problem with out phones, it's going to make it even more important to say which phone/ROM you have !
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Which is why it will be chaos.
New people, or complete fools will forget to, or not bother to write wether it is a Z or G2.
I think only the development forums should be merged.
DanWilson said:
Which is why it will be chaos.
New people, or complete fools will forget to, or not bother to write wether it is a Z or G2.
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That's no different for lots of other phones which have different ROMs in different areas though. We already have the issue within the DZ forum where people have Asian ROMs of various types, Bell ROMs, European ROMs etc. But we get along ok with that don't we ?
With my previous Touch Pro 2, we had one forum even though AT&T phones had a different ROM and keyboard layout (and a different name for the phone, i.e. Tilt 2, and that worked fine - e.g. all could run the same custom ROMs, just like the G2 and DZ can run the same custom ROMs.
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That's no different for lots of other phones which have different ROMs in different areas though. We already have the issue within the DZ forum where people have Asian ROMs of various types, Bell ROMs, European ROMs etc. But we get along ok with that don't we ?
With my previous Touch Pro 2, we had one forum even though AT&T phones had a different ROM and keyboard layout (and a different name for the phone, i.e. Tilt 2, and that worked fine - e.g. all could run the same custom ROMs, just like the G2 and DZ can run the same custom ROMs.
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Just my opinion bro. Merge and there will be teething problems with giving help (G2 vs Z, Sense vs Stock, Bell vs Asia vs Europe. I know Bell will lose that fight against the continents though )
It will be tidier, and eventually cleaner, but I cba getting used to a new forum
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Just my opinion bro. Merge and there will be teething problems with giving help (G2 vs Z, Sense vs Stock, Bell vs Asia vs Europe. I know Bell will lose that fight against the continents though )
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I agree with steviewevie. I'm also a refugee from the Touch Pro 2 forum. Including different carriers, versions, regions into the discussion is fine, as long as people remember to mention which version they have (have to be "gently" reminded from time to time), and there are enough people from your particular community that can give you help.
I'm pretty new to the DZ forum, and already I find myself having to search around on both forums to make sure I haven't missed a solution that the G2 owners have come up with. There is no significant difference between the G2 and the DZ, and it doesn't make sense for them to have separate forums.
Further to this, if you've caught up with postings over on the DZ side here, then why not hop over to the G2 forums if you haven't done so already, and see what they're discussing ?
You'll see it's pretty similar to over here, though sometimes they might come up with a problem before us DZ folks do, and vice versa.
woo about time, no more reading the same thread on 2 forums
about time! There is not enough difference in between the phones to keep them seperate. I imagine all you have to do at the beginning of a thread is say "this is for XXXXXX only" and that will make it pretty clear for most.
The Z forums are a joke, thank god for this....
The z forums are like a specials song "Ghost Town". I always hum that tune when im entering the land of the Z forum lol
JD
blunted09 said:
about time! There is not enough difference in between the phones to keep them seperate. I imagine all you have to do at the beginning of a thread is say "this is for XXXXXX only" and that will make it pretty clear for most.
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I had to chime in on this one...How many nbs do you find that actually READ the warnings?
It would be really useful if everyone had a signature making it clear which phone/ROM they have. But of course there will be plenty of newcomers who don't have that initially.
No matter what you try to introduce there will always be those that fall outside of the realms of stupidity, especially here on xda
Please tell me which you prefer:
1. Full Merge
Four forums (the usuals) for both the G2 and DZ
2. Dev Merge
Merge DZ with G2 dev forum, delete DZ dev forum (which will have zero threads). Keep individual G2/DZ forums for general, accessories, themes and apps.
Full merge, please.
Yep, Full merge please.
1. Full Merge.
Someone in the G2 thread has suggested merging all of them but keeping seperate General sections as a temp measure specifically for the noobs. What does everyone think?
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
Full merge. Or that ^
Personally I don't see why the General sections need keeping on their own, from the TP2 forum I'm used to threads about AT&T stuff which don't affect me so I just ignore them, similarly I'd not be too bothered about T-Mobile-specific threads from G2 owners in a merged forum.
There are so many "General" issues in common between the two phones.
I guess a full merge isn't that bad. I see quite a few of the general forum topics are questions. Just gotta make sure keep em in the Q&A section.
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LatinSilEighty said:
Well since there's no Accessories section i figured Ide post this here...
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I agree. I've tons of questions and opinions about the availabilty of (or lack of) accessories for this phone.
How do we go about requesting a new "T-Mobile USA HD2 Accessories" child added to the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" parent thread?
I realize there may be a section for this over at the Leo side, but this is where I come for my 1024, since there are too many ways to go wrong back over at the Euro side...
I'll second that motion, because there are some clear differences in the two models which makes buying proper accessories difficult. It'd help a lot to have a T-MobileUS specific section.
Two things need to be made clear to new users:
"Don't flash a ...51... series Radio to your TMOUS HD2, or it'll be bricked!"
"Don't buy a European HD2 case for your TMOUS HD2, because it won't fit!"
+1
I'm dying to find a good USB cradle.
+1 for this
me too! +1
Bump
I'm bumping this post because:
It got buried over the weekend to page 2.
I'm hoping the mods missed it due to the OP and plus-ones being written over the weekend.
I like to see my threads on the first page
Here's hoping...
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info. I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search. I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info.
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Hence the "Request" and not the "Demand" Seriously though, I would be grateful if it were just a single root and 2,000 pages. This site is tremendous and I have been blown away from Day One with the assistance from other users that is given away freely here every day.
That being said, I don't think I'm being ungrateful in asking for one more section. If that is the way it seemed, please accept my humble apologies.
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I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search.
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Unfortunately, I did not originally know there was a difference. I had even picked out a (incompatible) ROM before looking for a Hard SPL. It was then that I stumbled upon the difference between the 512 and the 1024. It was also where I stumbled upon the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" root. Had it not been for the mistakes of others, who unfortunately bricked their phones learning the difference, I would have made the same rookie mistake.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time that a device difference this big has been released by HTC under the same general name (HD2, not Leo). This is the true source of the confusion, at least it was for me.
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I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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I haven't seen different sections for GSM and CDMA either, but then we are dealing with an entirely fresh set of eyes with this phone. If you read my "What Did You Go Through For The HD2?" thread, you'll see that a good portion of the posters there are professing to have switched from other Operating Systems from iPhone to Android to Blackberry.
That being said, I don't think that too many of the so-called "n00bs" are really that, just misinformed and new to HTC or even Windows Mobile. I am sure that it takes a certain mindset and tempermant to take your brand-new, roughly-obtained $500 gadget and attempt a maneuver that could possibly turn it into a big fat paper-weight. Thus, we are seeing a lot of new faces, but not necessarily naive ones.
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My PC keyboard died so I had to finish this with my phone
With the influx of new users, xda-developers will benefit by listening to the new users and adapting to increase the usability and manageability of the website.
The US version of this phone is slightly larger than the Euro version, making many of the existing accessories simply do not fit this device. This necessitates a definitive section that is clearly deliniated from the existing sections.
you certainly have the right too disagree and the mods have the right to ignore the request, but I also feel that it doesn't hurt to ask
Last bump.
If this doesn't get action, I'll drop it and start spamming the General board...
RKnight1983 said:
I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479
We heard from a lot of users and moderators on the issue of whether to put all Galaxy S forums under one roof or to offer separate forums for them all.
For the sake of keeping confusion to a minimum plus ensuring that XDA stays as organized as possible, we've officially decided to launch forums for all four variants of the Galaxy S. We expect these four devices (plus the unlocked Galaxy S) to be very popular devices once they're on sale.
Here are the links!
Sprint Epic 4G
AT&T Captivate
T-Mobile Vibrant
Verizon Fascinate
This forum will be for the unlocked European version of the Galaxy S that has been on sale since June.
Thanks to everyone!
Edit by Chainfire:
Please note various Q&A from the i9000 (unlocked European version) FAQ may still be relevant to your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596
Is there any way for them to be all under the same parent forum on the tree so that we don't get heavy fragmentation in discussions? It would make it easier for people to find threads that were for other Galaxy S derived devices that also affected them, but were posted in the other forums.
ryukent said:
Is there any way for them to be all under the same parent forum on the tree so that we don't get heavy fragmentation in discussions? It would make it easier for people to find threads that were for other Galaxy S derived devices that also affected them, but were posted in the other forums.
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This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
What was the point in the poll if popular vote didn't matter?
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to look through them all
GG to my laziness
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This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
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+1.
Agreed.
Can we fight with the other Galaxy S varieties for supremacy?
NOOO MY GALAYX IS TEH BESHTESTT!!!1!!1!one!!eleven
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Can we fight with the other Galaxy S varieties for supremacy?
NOOO MY GALAYX IS TEH BESHTESTT!!!1!!1!one!!eleven
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Obi-Wan: I have to admit that without the SGS varieties, it would have not been a victory.
Yoda: Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun the SGS War has.
INeedYourHelp said:
Obi-Wan: I have to admit that without the SGS varieties, it would have not been a victory.
Yoda: Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun the SGS War has.
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This is the best post I have ever seen on XDA.
INeedYourHelp said:
What was the point in the poll if popular vote didn't matter?
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to look through them all
GG to my laziness
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/Twerd.
No point in separating everything....
-bZj
I liked the idea of different development forums And keeping everything else unified. I don't remember any of htc wm phones being separated by carrier. Why separate all of the galaxies?
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This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
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The Themes and Apps sections will indeed have some redundancy, and we may remove those forums except from the main Galaxy S I9000. Then the trouble becomes that people will post about themes and apps with the OTHER forums like General, etc. So, we'll have to play it by ear and see how things go!
Keep the forums separate, but how about having a universal Themes and Apps topics all linked to the main one here?
can we have all the varieties themes and apps page link to the galaxy s one? Accessories and ROM dev. is nice to have separated but general and apps do not. If a thread poster feels it is phone specific he can just state the variant in the title no?
svetius said:
We heard from a lot of users and moderators on the issue of whether to put all Galaxy S forums under one roof or to offer separate forums for them all.
For the sake of keeping confusion to a minimum plus ensuring that XDA stays as organized as possible, we've officially decided to launch forums for all four variants of the Galaxy S. We expect these four devices (plus the unlocked Galaxy S) to be very popular devices once they're on sale.
Here are the links!
Sprint Epic 4G
AT&T Captivate
T-Mobile Vibrant
Verizon Fascinate
This forum will be for the unlocked European version of the Galaxy S that has been on sale since June.
Thanks to everyone!
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So the admins decided to go against the popular vote? Marvelous.
crabby
sorry.. but bad move to create separate forums... we now have to check 5 forums to find what we want.
this reminds me of the G1/Magic32B/Magic32A forums where nearly all development and modding was posted in the G1 forum (dev device), leaving the Magic forums abandoned, or full of links to G1 forum posts for those with 32B radios.
I predict that the Vibrant & Euro unlocked S will be the most used devices, leaving the other forums as good as empty or posted with stuff like "I found this on the Vibrant/S forum".
what about the forum search? will we now need to search all forums? increases the load right?
anyway.. last time I checked the poll regarding this, most of the users voted for seperate SUB forums.. did this change so drastically in the last weeks?
Separate forums of the SAME device by US carriers??? WTF?
Disagree... completely.
magicdroid said:
sorry.. but bad move to create separate forums... we now have to check 5 forums to find what we want.
this reminds me of the G1/Magic32B/Magic32A forums where nearly all development and modding was posted in the G1 forum (dev device), leaving the Magic forums abandoned, or full of links to G1 forum posts for those with 32B radios.
I predict that the Vibrant & Euro unlocked S will be the most used devices, leaving the other forums as good as empty or posted with stuff like "I found this on the Vibrant/S forum".
what about the forum search? will we now need to search all forums? increases the load right?
anyway.. last time I checked the poll regarding this, most of the users voted for seperate SUB forums.. did this change so drastically in the last weeks?
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Precisely.
I see no reason for 5 separate forums. I think a much better idea would have to have a single GalaxyS forum, and add subforums for specific variants as the need arises (if it ever does).
Having 5 forums just wastes everyone's time. It even makes searching useless .
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Precisely.
I see no reason for 5 separate forums. I think a much better idea would have to have a single GalaxyS forum, and add subforums for specific variants as the need arises (if it ever does).
Having 5 forums just wastes everyone's time. It even makes searching useless .
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What amazing is they ask for a vote then go against it WTF
I think it would have been best to make them all in 1 forum and then have a sub forums for GSM and CDMA...
or make a sub forum for each device and a main forum for all of them to have a General...
cause there are many issues people are talking about in the Vibrant and the I9000 which are EXACTLY the same...
not to mention we need some stickies with common issues and questions..
On a similar note. The Samsung Vibrant or Galaxy S similar to the european version has 4 haptic buttons whereas the latter has only 2 and the
Big plastic intergrated middle button. Is this something people would prefer and would it be beneficial in the long run of android where it would
have been if the phone was to run windows 7.
BTW.... I Am not pleased that the American market also shipped this with the Avatar Film pre-installed...LOL!
This post is up for discussion
Regarding the "HTC Vision" T-Mobile G2 & the "HTC Vision" HTC Desire Z, right now each one has its own separate subforum
We are talking about the same phone (with slight brand and band differences) over two different subforums. ROMs would be different, but the hardware is the same
DISCUSSION:
- Should the "HTC Vision" G2 & "HTC Vision" Desire Z's subforums better get merged ?
- Could there be more collaboration and cross-information in such case ??
- Have we previously had a symilar experience with another HTC device ??
- Or is it better to keep both phones' android development appart, over separated subforums ??
(and separate other future "HTC Vision" variants too, like the upcomming HTC Vision for Verizon, the ADR6325 aka HTC Merge/Lexikon)
- What's best for development / ROM cooking purposes ??
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Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
andrewilley said:
Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
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"Vision" is not obsolete, even official ROMs seem to be labeled as "RUU Vision HTC WWE etc..."
Some users @ G2 forums are reporting flashing the Desire Z ROM into the G2
EDIT: up to date only one user
and in the Desire Z forums some users are following the G2's root process
Time will tell for sure, but looks like they are the same phone,
just different radios and badges
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
By TOTAL coincidence I PMed one of the mods last night about this same topic.
I believe his/her intention was to bring it up with the other moderators to see what the deal is, since the G2 and the Z so far as we know only have very slight differences:
Frequency Bands
ROM size
this would fall under the same situation as other devices such as the fuze/touch pro (aka Raphael) (yes I know ROM wasnt different sizes).
If there were serious differences that would cause ROM incompatabilities then sure
"Desire Z Android Development" and "G2 Android Development" sub-fora would do the trick????
But as a device family they are still both a HTC Vision.
There @ G2's fora, by now, seems only one person has reported cross-flashing
I don't have a D-Z or G2 to confirm /deny, so
I am eagerly following the G2 forums (and the desire Z's release date ) for more evidence
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
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I had the same idea initially,
but no poll is required if the hardware is the same
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Our stance in a case like this where there is a USA variant of a phone that is nearly identical to the Euro-spec phone is to still have separate forums. This leads to the least amount of confusion. What would happen (and we've tried this for other devices in the past) is that some people will post their G2 questions (usually T-Mobile specific) in the Desire Z forum, thus requiring the moderators to constantly migrate posts. Also, G2 ROMs won't work on the Desire Z.
For now, we'll keep them separate. If anyone has a major disagreement (now or in the future), please send me a PM.
Well, IMHO it's a good decision to have separate sections.
See TMOUS HD2 and Europe HD2.
Shouldn't it be one general and two development then?
Like X10 Mini and X10 Mini Pro.
Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
Desire Z is starting to ship. Let's wait a few weeks to see the level of development there is for each device. If needed, we will merge.
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Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
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so... are we going to have yet another forum for BELL users only ??
hmmm...
as svetius stated,
let's see what happens when more of us get our D-Zs,
but lets not close the possibility
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Ponder this for a minute.
The G2 and Desire Z (although not yet in circulation) are very popular devices. By keeping separate forums for each device, your chances of finding accurate information increases, and helps the mods keep the forums cleaner. If the two were combined, I guarantee you that we would receive even more complaints about "noobs" posting in the dev section and creating new threads to ask questions that have already been answered. By keeping separate forums it makes my job keeping Desire Z clean (weeding out these complaints and stopping them from happening) and CaptainKrtek to keep G2 clean.
With that said, would you rather have easy navigation and a clean fora, or would you rather have the two combined, which IMHO, really holds no purpose?
I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
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I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
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Yes, I understand they have already made breakthroughs on the G2, but what would be easier for an up-and-coming DZ owner? Weed through all the items in G2 fora or have a fresh start with a relatively new fora? Trust me, Devs will not limit themselves to the DZ fora for info. If there is something out there, they will find it, and incorporate it in DZ forum, you just have to give it some time. In the mean time, SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND
Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
gtrab said:
Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
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Lol, Damn Skippy! Congrats
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
Pickx said:
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
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It certainly holds its purpose for the HD2.
I can't see the benefit in keeping things separate. As gtrab said, I too am now keeping track on both sets of forums. Pretty much everything over in ROM development for the G2 is relevant to the DZ. There is going to be an awful lot of duplication over the coming weeks. Either that, or the DZ forums will be quiet with more and more people going over to the G2 side. But if DZ stuff is asked about over on G2, I presume that'll be off-topic. Seems like a mess to me.
I can understand the idea of waiting and seeing how it goes though, just wish the decision was otherwise.
Edit: This topic is already in discussion. Please do not create duplicate threads simply to bring the subject "up again." Please direct further discussion to [DISCUSSION] Merge subforums? A single development Forum for ALL HTC Vision phones? ~TheRomMistress
Now that the DZ has finally shipped, we're already starting to get questions about stuff that's already been worked out over on the G2 forums (e.g. deleting stock apps).
Aren't we going to get increasing overlap, and discussion of the same subjects as on the G2 forum ? The same applies for ROM Development as well as general, e.g. discussion on DZ rooting - why duplicate what's already going on for the G2 ?
If you haven't done so already, head over to the G2 ROM dev forum and see how out of date we are here already on the DZ side.
Surely there's very little stuff that's G2-specific, why don't we merge the forums ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=797956
ok, sure, there was a thread before on this, but I thought it was worth bringing up again, now that the DZ is shipping and that we're already starting to get a lot of duplication.
If you're offended that I didn't bump your original thread, then I apologise.
Dont worry mate,
just wanted to point out this has been discussed and there were detractors,
but hey I absolutely agree with you:
we are starting to DUPLICATE EVERYTHING that has beed asked/posted/discussed @ G2 fora
1.- the hinge
2.- overclocking
3.- deleting apps
4.- root
5.- torch
6.- etc...
I still think it's THE SAME device, just different 3G bands !!
Technically it is the same device but until we get full root on both there is some subtle differences.
size of /system
sense -v- non-sense
therefore until we get full root its probably easier in the long run to just replicate threads rather than merge the two.
After root though the phones become one and the same and should then be merged.
Well, I just PM'd my thoughts on this to svetius, as he asked in that previous thread. I'd encourage anyone else who has views on this to do the same.
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Technically it is the same device but until we get full root on both there is some subtle differences.
size of /system
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I thought that was the same on both phones ? Do we have proof it's different ?
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I thought that was the same on both phones ? Do we have proof it's different ?
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erm can't remember where I read it but I am sure the /system on teh g2 is smaller as the rom size of vanilla is far smaller than the rom size of sense.
Root & dev will prove cross-fllash possible / impossible
Maybe shipped ROMs will be unable to cross-flash, but custom ROMs ??
Still many Qs...
but as I just stated @ the other thread, let's keep the door opened to such possibility
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Atrix and Photon have exactly the same hardware (Except some minor differencies), they have the same firmwares (Again with some minor differencies), so they have the same issues, the same news. That's why I suggest to merge Photon and Atrix forums to establish a better link with Photon owners.
This modification would make the ideas and news spread faster, and that would make a more unified community for our devices, so why not ?
I don't really think this is a good idea as not everything that works on the ATRIX works on the Photon and vice-versa. This may cause confusion between the new members (some may happily flash something built for the Photon on their Atrix and get a brick, who knows )
But still, maybe they could merge the general, Q&A and themes and apps section, but keep the development section separated.
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tatperson said:
I don't really think this is a good idea as not everything that works on the ATRIX works on the Photon and vice-versa. This may cause confusion between the new members (some may happily flash something built for the Photon on their Atrix and get a brick, who knows )
But still, maybe they could merge the general, Q&A and themes and apps section, but keep the development section separated.
Sent from that Atrix.
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I think the OP raises good points, but so does tatperson with the confusion. We already get quite a bit of confusion just between international vs american atrix.
Also, take note of the new users, who come in, do not read and go flashing & bricking. Definitely this is a NOT unless people learns how to use & read forums before doing useless stuff in their phones.
Sorry if there has been any offense meant, but, it has not been very much since I've joined the forum and all I see is new people who likes to barge in, screw their phones, flashing stuff then asking the same question across 20 threads or demanding stuff.... hell... well, i guess that's a forums destiny or maybe day after day i'm less tolerant to people .
Dammit, I'm getting old
I agree this is not a good idea. While the devices are quite similar, they are in fact different enough to each have their own board.
Just ask Th3Bill how "minor" his framework edits usually are. Another point - although he'd like to, he can't use Epinter's CM10 as a base because it's way too different and won't run on a Photon.
i do not think its a good idea,simply because they arent the same phone. it could be similar,but will never be the same phone = not the same roms,not the same guides and diffrent people who has the phones.
but i do think that we can have general,thems and apps and even accseroies at same fourms,but android developmnt - one for each
Yeah, i also agree. The photon uses a different Webtop too, so even Webtop Development is different.
Inde, the confusion for the new members is a good point. I had this idea because they did this for the Defy and the Defy (+) that have the same hardware and share many ROMs but it's a case almost similar to the Photon and the Atrix.
But if merging the forums isn't possible, is there any way to make a stronger link between Atrix and Photon forums ? This could help for both communities, and make a stronger one since many people left these phones for more recent ones.
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You know, was kinda thinking the same thing recently, all I can say is that we should share the things we have in common. Like, certain dev projects ported here and there between our devices, certain other stuff. And also bunch up our devs lol, like rope everyone in to attain 'perfection' on both our devices
How about a test forum section? And a poll maybe, so we'll see how successful this will be.