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Regarding the "HTC Vision" T-Mobile G2 & the "HTC Vision" HTC Desire Z, right now each one has its own separate subforum
We are talking about the same phone (with slight brand and band differences) over two different subforums. ROMs would be different, but the hardware is the same
DISCUSSION:
- Should the "HTC Vision" G2 & "HTC Vision" Desire Z's subforums better get merged ?
- Could there be more collaboration and cross-information in such case ??
- Have we previously had a symilar experience with another HTC device ??
- Or is it better to keep both phones' android development appart, over separated subforums ??
(and separate other future "HTC Vision" variants too, like the upcomming HTC Vision for Verizon, the ADR6325 aka HTC Merge/Lexikon)
- What's best for development / ROM cooking purposes ??
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Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
andrewilley said:
Absolutely agree. There are many other forums on XDA-Dev where different national and/or carrier variants of the same phone have been grouped together, and this would seem an obvious choice to do the same. Keep the thumbnail from the Desire Z link though, as this is the generic version of the phone and also as the pic shows the keyboard slid out.
I think the name "Vision" is obsolete now anyway isn't it? The official HTC name is now the Desire Z, and the US name for that phone is, at present on one carrier only of course, the T-Mobile G2.
Andre
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"Vision" is not obsolete, even official ROMs seem to be labeled as "RUU Vision HTC WWE etc..."
Some users @ G2 forums are reporting flashing the Desire Z ROM into the G2
EDIT: up to date only one user
and in the Desire Z forums some users are following the G2's root process
Time will tell for sure, but looks like they are the same phone,
just different radios and badges
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
By TOTAL coincidence I PMed one of the mods last night about this same topic.
I believe his/her intention was to bring it up with the other moderators to see what the deal is, since the G2 and the Z so far as we know only have very slight differences:
Frequency Bands
ROM size
this would fall under the same situation as other devices such as the fuze/touch pro (aka Raphael) (yes I know ROM wasnt different sizes).
If there were serious differences that would cause ROM incompatabilities then sure
"Desire Z Android Development" and "G2 Android Development" sub-fora would do the trick????
But as a device family they are still both a HTC Vision.
There @ G2's fora, by now, seems only one person has reported cross-flashing
I don't have a D-Z or G2 to confirm /deny, so
I am eagerly following the G2 forums (and the desire Z's release date ) for more evidence
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Should add a poll option. I'm for the merger.
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I had the same idea initially,
but no poll is required if the hardware is the same
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Our stance in a case like this where there is a USA variant of a phone that is nearly identical to the Euro-spec phone is to still have separate forums. This leads to the least amount of confusion. What would happen (and we've tried this for other devices in the past) is that some people will post their G2 questions (usually T-Mobile specific) in the Desire Z forum, thus requiring the moderators to constantly migrate posts. Also, G2 ROMs won't work on the Desire Z.
For now, we'll keep them separate. If anyone has a major disagreement (now or in the future), please send me a PM.
Well, IMHO it's a good decision to have separate sections.
See TMOUS HD2 and Europe HD2.
Shouldn't it be one general and two development then?
Like X10 Mini and X10 Mini Pro.
Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
Desire Z is starting to ship. Let's wait a few weeks to see the level of development there is for each device. If needed, we will merge.
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Yeah, one general and two development sections would be good, but as svetius said, think of it: having operator-specific questions for G2 on DesireZ sections wouldn't be so good.
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so... are we going to have yet another forum for BELL users only ??
hmmm...
as svetius stated,
let's see what happens when more of us get our D-Zs,
but lets not close the possibility
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Ponder this for a minute.
The G2 and Desire Z (although not yet in circulation) are very popular devices. By keeping separate forums for each device, your chances of finding accurate information increases, and helps the mods keep the forums cleaner. If the two were combined, I guarantee you that we would receive even more complaints about "noobs" posting in the dev section and creating new threads to ask questions that have already been answered. By keeping separate forums it makes my job keeping Desire Z clean (weeding out these complaints and stopping them from happening) and CaptainKrtek to keep G2 clean.
With that said, would you rather have easy navigation and a clean fora, or would you rather have the two combined, which IMHO, really holds no purpose?
I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
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I partially agree with you TheROMMistress,
but as a user, I currently have to keep track of BOTH forums, which already duplicates the weed so I really dunno what to do, what's better
G2 fora is lightyears ahead from us, they've had their G2s for weeks now, and they have progressed a lot on commonly asked Qs (hinges, root, deleting sys files, etc)
The point here is (and I don't have the answer):
Would development benefit from joining efforts between G2 and standard D-Z users ??
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Yes, I understand they have already made breakthroughs on the G2, but what would be easier for an up-and-coming DZ owner? Weed through all the items in G2 fora or have a fresh start with a relatively new fora? Trust me, Devs will not limit themselves to the DZ fora for info. If there is something out there, they will find it, and incorporate it in DZ forum, you just have to give it some time. In the mean time, SEARCH IS YOUR FRIEND
Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
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Thank you, Supreme Commander
I am sure Mods and Admins will take the best decission for users and devs
In the meant time, my provider has confirmed they are shipping my D-Z today
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Lol, Damn Skippy! Congrats
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
Pickx said:
I definitely support the merger (no good ever came to the Galaxy S phones from having 84934529 separate forums) but give it one-two weeks for all the early adopter hysteria to settle down.
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It certainly holds its purpose for the HD2.
I can't see the benefit in keeping things separate. As gtrab said, I too am now keeping track on both sets of forums. Pretty much everything over in ROM development for the G2 is relevant to the DZ. There is going to be an awful lot of duplication over the coming weeks. Either that, or the DZ forums will be quiet with more and more people going over to the G2 side. But if DZ stuff is asked about over on G2, I presume that'll be off-topic. Seems like a mess to me.
I can understand the idea of waiting and seeing how it goes though, just wish the decision was otherwise.
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Well the Behold II is upon and its pretty similar to the Galaxy, so can the great guys here at XDA develop some ROMs for them? We need a separate forum for these phones.
This a forum for HTC phones, so you wont see any new sections for non-hTC devices.
NM I should read.
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This a forum for HTC phones, so you wont see any new sections for non-hTC devices.
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TBH The name of this forum is "Android Software Development" and whilst this is majorly a HTC forum and Samsung devices would never get their own subforum, I see no problem with Behold2/Galaxy android development going on in this forum.
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TBH The name of this forum is "Android Software Development" and whilst this is majorly a HTC forum and Samsung devices would never get their own subforum, I see no problem with Behold2/Galaxy android development going on in this forum.
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The majority of the site isnt HTC the whole site is HTC lol there mite be some off topic talk about other devices but its not officially supported by the site an never will be
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The majority of the site isnt HTC the whole site is HTC lol there mite be some off topic talk about other devices but its not officially supported by the site an never will be
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I see a xperia x1 forum...
Rcommander said:
I see a xperia x1 forum...
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Not to be a smart-arse, but the X1 is produced by HTC
brummiesteven said:
TBH The name of this forum is "Android Software Development" and whilst this is majorly a HTC forum and Samsung devices would never get their own subforum, I see no problem with Behold2/Galaxy android development going on in this forum.
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I believe that was one of the reasons for this subforum ;-)
There is also a Palm Pre sub forum and I don't believe that is made by HTC.
btmec said:
There is also a Palm Pre sub forum and I don't believe that is made by HTC.
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Hmmmmm...Don't see a Palm Pre sub-forum, maybe I am having trouble with my eyes...
If perchance you mean the Palm Treo 750, then you would be mistaken as it is in fact manufactured by HTC...as is every single device that has its own sub-forum on XDA.
I just want to see these devices rooted so we can installed the better Samsung music, video player(I think there is divx support), and if possible the camera software also.
Hey Everyone I posted a new thread with some updated information about the BH2 which may have us one step closer to perm root and recovery and custom ROMS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=597501
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The majority of the site isnt HTC the whole site is HTC lol there mite be some off topic talk about other devices but its not officially supported by the site an never will be
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Then allow me to ask an obvious question: Why would a presumably independent user-run internet forum like this one devote itself entirely and exclusively to one specific manufacturer? Assuming that HTC doesn't actually own this forum, why is such blatant favoritism/discrimination taking place? Does HTC pay some kind of fee to have XDA dedicated entirely to its devices only? I don't get it. Why the preferential treatment?
Don't be disrespectful ... READ the history of XDA and why it came about before you guys take on XDA .,.,., Instead of demanding a forum , lets see if we can get some of the devs interested in these units.... First thing first ,they need to have the phone in hand to work on them , so find one willing and lets get that dev a phone to hack...some of you guys kno how to get a second phone @ no cost (**cough**lost **cough**phone)so do it .,. lets get them hacking this beautiful unit ,.,..,
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Then allow me to ask an obvious question: Why would a presumably independent user-run internet forum like this one devote itself entirely and exclusively to one specific manufacturer? Assuming that HTC doesn't actually own this forum, why is such blatant favoritism/discrimination taking place? Does HTC pay some kind of fee to have XDA dedicated entirely to its devices only? I don't get it. Why the preferential treatment?
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That is like asking Tmonews.com why they only have T-Mobile specific forums and not AT&T and Verizon and Orange and Roger and some Japanese network. It's because it's there site and they just want to focus on one subject. If you want discussion about different phones then this is a site that is not right for you. The owner just wants HTC and he's paying the bills so he will keep it just HTC.
But this site isn't called HTC-Developers, so it isn't obvious to visitors or members where the HTC devotion/bias comes from. Most people get referred here from other forums when looking for WinMo hacks, ROMs etc, not because they were looking for something HTC-specific.
I've actually been a member and regular visitor of this forum for a couple of years I believe, and this is the first time I've ever even heard of this HTC-centricity. It always seemed more generally Windows Mobile/OS focused than manufacturer specific.
In any case I don't recall challenging the site owner's authority or right to gear the site toward whatever he/she wishes. Rather my question was WHY this is the case, as in WHY the devs are devoted to HTC over other manufacturers. There is a significant difference between asking why something is the case, and suggesting that the owner doesn't have the right to make it so. Saying "because the owner wants it that way" isn't an answer to the question "Why does the owner want it that way?".
I did read the history and realize that the site started years ago based on an early HTC device or two; what I don't understand is why it has remained that way. My first vehicle was a tricycle but that doesn't mean I've stayed a tricycle devotee and ignored bikes and cars even to this day.
Back in those days HTC was mainly just making phones for other companies , like Imate tmobile O2 etc..... and they wont branded HTC but , whatever company it was made for . This site was born based on the lack of support these companies provided, you was always redirected to HTC who inturn sent you to your carrier. It has grown since then mostly windows mobile but now has a fast growing android side . They will support HTC androids , but thankfully some of the hacks work on other android devices ... We just have to get devs intrested in these devices and they can post their work here in the android Development section ... I think this would help us a lot
Its too bad, really: the only downside I find to my current phone (Sammy Moment) is that it isn't supported by XDA. My next phone will more than likely be HTC just because I miss all the value added this community provides.
Well if Im not mistaken the moto droid is Motorola and Motorola is not htc or in any form HTC and the acer infact isnt HTC therefore this hole site isnt HTC....
WHAT IN THE WORLD!
Hey, can we get a ROM or not? I just got this Behold 2 and I know DroidDeveloper managed to flash a Galaxy ROM onto it... what is the issues here? Just post some ROMs or post something productive. This phone has been out since December. Since everybody is cheap, I'll buy a dev a Behold 2 so they can start cooking some ROMs up... come on now...
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Well since there's no Accessories section i figured Ide post this here...
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I agree. I've tons of questions and opinions about the availabilty of (or lack of) accessories for this phone.
How do we go about requesting a new "T-Mobile USA HD2 Accessories" child added to the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" parent thread?
I realize there may be a section for this over at the Leo side, but this is where I come for my 1024, since there are too many ways to go wrong back over at the Euro side...
I'll second that motion, because there are some clear differences in the two models which makes buying proper accessories difficult. It'd help a lot to have a T-MobileUS specific section.
Two things need to be made clear to new users:
"Don't flash a ...51... series Radio to your TMOUS HD2, or it'll be bricked!"
"Don't buy a European HD2 case for your TMOUS HD2, because it won't fit!"
+1
I'm dying to find a good USB cradle.
+1 for this
me too! +1
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I'm bumping this post because:
It got buried over the weekend to page 2.
I'm hoping the mods missed it due to the OP and plus-ones being written over the weekend.
I like to see my threads on the first page
Here's hoping...
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info. I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search. I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info.
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Hence the "Request" and not the "Demand" Seriously though, I would be grateful if it were just a single root and 2,000 pages. This site is tremendous and I have been blown away from Day One with the assistance from other users that is given away freely here every day.
That being said, I don't think I'm being ungrateful in asking for one more section. If that is the way it seemed, please accept my humble apologies.
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I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search.
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Unfortunately, I did not originally know there was a difference. I had even picked out a (incompatible) ROM before looking for a Hard SPL. It was then that I stumbled upon the difference between the 512 and the 1024. It was also where I stumbled upon the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" root. Had it not been for the mistakes of others, who unfortunately bricked their phones learning the difference, I would have made the same rookie mistake.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time that a device difference this big has been released by HTC under the same general name (HD2, not Leo). This is the true source of the confusion, at least it was for me.
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I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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I haven't seen different sections for GSM and CDMA either, but then we are dealing with an entirely fresh set of eyes with this phone. If you read my "What Did You Go Through For The HD2?" thread, you'll see that a good portion of the posters there are professing to have switched from other Operating Systems from iPhone to Android to Blackberry.
That being said, I don't think that too many of the so-called "n00bs" are really that, just misinformed and new to HTC or even Windows Mobile. I am sure that it takes a certain mindset and tempermant to take your brand-new, roughly-obtained $500 gadget and attempt a maneuver that could possibly turn it into a big fat paper-weight. Thus, we are seeing a lot of new faces, but not necessarily naive ones.
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My PC keyboard died so I had to finish this with my phone
With the influx of new users, xda-developers will benefit by listening to the new users and adapting to increase the usability and manageability of the website.
The US version of this phone is slightly larger than the Euro version, making many of the existing accessories simply do not fit this device. This necessitates a definitive section that is clearly deliniated from the existing sections.
you certainly have the right too disagree and the mods have the right to ignore the request, but I also feel that it doesn't hurt to ask
Last bump.
If this doesn't get action, I'll drop it and start spamming the General board...
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I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479
Thanks to everyone that voted.
As for the 6 that voted No, have fun with your new EVO or Nexus One. I'm sure the $300-$400 is going to buy a great phone, but I'm going to hold off on it for a while.
Looks like we will have our own forum and sub-forums after the weekend
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6206357&postcount=899
We fought for this a long while ago... And I have suggested many times... I don't think it will happen as much as this sub-forum needs it..
*edit.. When I refreshed it was there..
Absolutely, positively yes.
The GSM Hero and the CDMA Hero are completely different phones. More different, at least that the Sprint Hero and the Verizon Droid Eris. (In fact, if there was ever a reason to put two phones in the same forum, it would be the Sprint Hero and the Eris. They're the same damn thing with different colored plastic...)
Sprint may not be the biggest carrier, but they're still not small. The Sprint Hero deserves the same treatment as any other phone....
Yes Yes Yes ...
No joke. The stupidist phones have their own forum. Why cant the CDMA Hero?
For instance:
The HTC Wallaby...Seriously?? ROFL
HTC Universal: Look how lame it looks...
HTC Apache: It barely has 250 threads.
HTC Charmer: Barely has 200 threads.
Palm Treo: Has two forums dedicated to their pile of **** phones. Really now?
HTC Athena: Lame
And that folks is just the tip of the iceberg. The CDMA Hero has more threads than the G2. LOL
Yes and a mod or two. I sent in a request for this yesterday.
its not even just a want at this point, its more like a need.
I mean as much activity that this single forum gets daily is cause alone for us to have our own portal
About time. This saves me two clicks...
Yeah lets go on strike...
Awww ****... no one needs us..
Oh well we really do need this, i hope they look at the stats soon, We have probably close to the highest posts and threads made a day.
totally agree we need this, not only would it help organize everything but then there would be the general discution section where people can post thier random stuff and not get 6 lame threads saying "stop with the lame threads" as far as potential mods go my votes go to toast and obilisk
we needed this a long time ago
Guys, there is a place to ask for this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276306&page=89
I posted just a day or so ago and even offered to donate for their time and effort to make this happen.
Maybe.....IF you posted your thoughts in that thread they would take a look.
It is after all a thread/area where they say to post and they'll answer you maybe?
Thanks,
Bubba.
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Guys, there is a place to ask for this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276306&page=89
I posted just a day or so ago and even offered to donate for their time and effort to make this happen.
Maybe.....IF you posted your thoughts in that thread they would take a look.
It is after all a thread/area where they say to post and they'll answer you maybe?
Thanks,
Bubba.
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I don't know that I would have offered them 50.00.
And in fact it's NOT hard to create subsections for this. This bulletin board software is fairly standard. Probably take 10 minutes to create stuff. Getting the mods to move threads around would take a while, sure, but the subfora would be ready and usable in the meantime.
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Who are the two ppl who said NO ?? They are certainly now owning a HTC Sprint Hero i believe
I agree. The subforum was a good idea when the GSM Hero had just been released and a CDMA version was still just a rumor, but now it is really its' own device with its' own community. We have no use for any of the GSM forums, all we have is this one dinky forum that expands at a collossal rate every day.
Re: Should xda give us our own portal? I'm sending over to Admins
No joke. The stupidist phones have their own forum. Why cant the CDMA Hero?
For instance:
The HTC Wallaby...Seriously?? ROFL
HTC Universal: Look how lame it looks...
HTC Apache: It barely has 250 threads.
HTC Charmer: Barely has 200 threads.
Palm Treo: Has two forums dedicated to their pile of **** phones. Really now?
HTC Athena: Lame
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You should understand that phones such as the Wallaby and Apache(although not the XDA line) are some of the original HTC phones and those forums are what started XDA. The Apache was HTCs first major entry into the US CDMA market. XDA-developers has historically been for GSM phones(ie,XDA's) with CDMA hacking based over at ppcgeeks.com. Threads for the Apache are in the thousands there.
Only since the CDMA hero has there been real active dominant development of any cdma phone done here....
it would be nice to just separate the general talk from the dev talk... I used to think this was a dev forum and everything else should go in hero general talk, the general user base reminds me otherwise on a daily basis.
Lord help you if you actually suggest a topic be moved, people start accusing you of acting like a self proclaimed mod. I've pretty much given up posting in this section because of it.
LOL. Seriously??? The EVO is coming out this summer and 25% of the hero community will be leaving immediately and then another 25% will leave for it in 6 months after that!
MODS, this subforum is just fine.
We heard from a lot of users and moderators on the issue of whether to put all Galaxy S forums under one roof or to offer separate forums for them all.
For the sake of keeping confusion to a minimum plus ensuring that XDA stays as organized as possible, we've officially decided to launch forums for all four variants of the Galaxy S. We expect these four devices (plus the unlocked Galaxy S) to be very popular devices once they're on sale.
Here are the links!
Sprint Epic 4G
AT&T Captivate
T-Mobile Vibrant
Verizon Fascinate
This forum will be for the unlocked European version of the Galaxy S that has been on sale since June.
Thanks to everyone!
Edit by Chainfire:
Please note various Q&A from the i9000 (unlocked European version) FAQ may still be relevant to your device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=723596
Is there any way for them to be all under the same parent forum on the tree so that we don't get heavy fragmentation in discussions? It would make it easier for people to find threads that were for other Galaxy S derived devices that also affected them, but were posted in the other forums.
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Is there any way for them to be all under the same parent forum on the tree so that we don't get heavy fragmentation in discussions? It would make it easier for people to find threads that were for other Galaxy S derived devices that also affected them, but were posted in the other forums.
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This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
What was the point in the poll if popular vote didn't matter?
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to look through them all
GG to my laziness
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This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
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+1.
Agreed.
Can we fight with the other Galaxy S varieties for supremacy?
NOOO MY GALAYX IS TEH BESHTESTT!!!1!!1!one!!eleven
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Can we fight with the other Galaxy S varieties for supremacy?
NOOO MY GALAYX IS TEH BESHTESTT!!!1!!1!one!!eleven
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Obi-Wan: I have to admit that without the SGS varieties, it would have not been a victory.
Yoda: Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun the SGS War has.
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Obi-Wan: I have to admit that without the SGS varieties, it would have not been a victory.
Yoda: Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun the SGS War has.
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This is the best post I have ever seen on XDA.
INeedYourHelp said:
What was the point in the poll if popular vote didn't matter?
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to look through them all
GG to my laziness
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/Twerd.
No point in separating everything....
-bZj
I liked the idea of different development forums And keeping everything else unified. I don't remember any of htc wm phones being separated by carrier. Why separate all of the galaxies?
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This. It will be a pain to trawl through 5 different threads for Themes and Apps for example, which will be the same for all devices.
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The Themes and Apps sections will indeed have some redundancy, and we may remove those forums except from the main Galaxy S I9000. Then the trouble becomes that people will post about themes and apps with the OTHER forums like General, etc. So, we'll have to play it by ear and see how things go!
Keep the forums separate, but how about having a universal Themes and Apps topics all linked to the main one here?
can we have all the varieties themes and apps page link to the galaxy s one? Accessories and ROM dev. is nice to have separated but general and apps do not. If a thread poster feels it is phone specific he can just state the variant in the title no?
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We heard from a lot of users and moderators on the issue of whether to put all Galaxy S forums under one roof or to offer separate forums for them all.
For the sake of keeping confusion to a minimum plus ensuring that XDA stays as organized as possible, we've officially decided to launch forums for all four variants of the Galaxy S. We expect these four devices (plus the unlocked Galaxy S) to be very popular devices once they're on sale.
Here are the links!
Sprint Epic 4G
AT&T Captivate
T-Mobile Vibrant
Verizon Fascinate
This forum will be for the unlocked European version of the Galaxy S that has been on sale since June.
Thanks to everyone!
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So the admins decided to go against the popular vote? Marvelous.
crabby
sorry.. but bad move to create separate forums... we now have to check 5 forums to find what we want.
this reminds me of the G1/Magic32B/Magic32A forums where nearly all development and modding was posted in the G1 forum (dev device), leaving the Magic forums abandoned, or full of links to G1 forum posts for those with 32B radios.
I predict that the Vibrant & Euro unlocked S will be the most used devices, leaving the other forums as good as empty or posted with stuff like "I found this on the Vibrant/S forum".
what about the forum search? will we now need to search all forums? increases the load right?
anyway.. last time I checked the poll regarding this, most of the users voted for seperate SUB forums.. did this change so drastically in the last weeks?
Separate forums of the SAME device by US carriers??? WTF?
Disagree... completely.
magicdroid said:
sorry.. but bad move to create separate forums... we now have to check 5 forums to find what we want.
this reminds me of the G1/Magic32B/Magic32A forums where nearly all development and modding was posted in the G1 forum (dev device), leaving the Magic forums abandoned, or full of links to G1 forum posts for those with 32B radios.
I predict that the Vibrant & Euro unlocked S will be the most used devices, leaving the other forums as good as empty or posted with stuff like "I found this on the Vibrant/S forum".
what about the forum search? will we now need to search all forums? increases the load right?
anyway.. last time I checked the poll regarding this, most of the users voted for seperate SUB forums.. did this change so drastically in the last weeks?
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Precisely.
I see no reason for 5 separate forums. I think a much better idea would have to have a single GalaxyS forum, and add subforums for specific variants as the need arises (if it ever does).
Having 5 forums just wastes everyone's time. It even makes searching useless .
reuthermonkey said:
Precisely.
I see no reason for 5 separate forums. I think a much better idea would have to have a single GalaxyS forum, and add subforums for specific variants as the need arises (if it ever does).
Having 5 forums just wastes everyone's time. It even makes searching useless .
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What amazing is they ask for a vote then go against it WTF
I think it would have been best to make them all in 1 forum and then have a sub forums for GSM and CDMA...
or make a sub forum for each device and a main forum for all of them to have a General...
cause there are many issues people are talking about in the Vibrant and the I9000 which are EXACTLY the same...
not to mention we need some stickies with common issues and questions..
On a similar note. The Samsung Vibrant or Galaxy S similar to the european version has 4 haptic buttons whereas the latter has only 2 and the
Big plastic intergrated middle button. Is this something people would prefer and would it be beneficial in the long run of android where it would
have been if the phone was to run windows 7.
BTW.... I Am not pleased that the American market also shipped this with the Avatar Film pre-installed...LOL!
I've been talking to svetius, the admin responsible for "User Experience" at XDA, and apparently the Desire Z and G2 forums are going to be merged very soon now.
So this is just a heads-up for everyone to expect this.
I think it's going to be a very very good thing, because after all the DZ and G2 are essentially the same phones and run the same custom ROMs, so it will be good to have everything in one place. I think it will also encourage people who develop things to check how they work on both the DZ and G2.
I've no idea how existing threads are going to be handled, but I'm sure the mods have it all in hand.
So soon, remember that we're going to be sharing an audience with G2 users, who of course have their own stock ROM, which don't have HTC Sense in. So when we post up about a basic problem with out phones, it's going to make it even more important to say which phone/ROM you have !
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So soon, remember that we're going to be sharing an audience with G2 users, who of course have their own stock ROM, which don't have HTC Sense in. So when we post up about a basic problem with out phones, it's going to make it even more important to say which phone/ROM you have !
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Which is why it will be chaos.
New people, or complete fools will forget to, or not bother to write wether it is a Z or G2.
I think only the development forums should be merged.
DanWilson said:
Which is why it will be chaos.
New people, or complete fools will forget to, or not bother to write wether it is a Z or G2.
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That's no different for lots of other phones which have different ROMs in different areas though. We already have the issue within the DZ forum where people have Asian ROMs of various types, Bell ROMs, European ROMs etc. But we get along ok with that don't we ?
With my previous Touch Pro 2, we had one forum even though AT&T phones had a different ROM and keyboard layout (and a different name for the phone, i.e. Tilt 2, and that worked fine - e.g. all could run the same custom ROMs, just like the G2 and DZ can run the same custom ROMs.
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That's no different for lots of other phones which have different ROMs in different areas though. We already have the issue within the DZ forum where people have Asian ROMs of various types, Bell ROMs, European ROMs etc. But we get along ok with that don't we ?
With my previous Touch Pro 2, we had one forum even though AT&T phones had a different ROM and keyboard layout (and a different name for the phone, i.e. Tilt 2, and that worked fine - e.g. all could run the same custom ROMs, just like the G2 and DZ can run the same custom ROMs.
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Just my opinion bro. Merge and there will be teething problems with giving help (G2 vs Z, Sense vs Stock, Bell vs Asia vs Europe. I know Bell will lose that fight against the continents though )
It will be tidier, and eventually cleaner, but I cba getting used to a new forum
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Just my opinion bro. Merge and there will be teething problems with giving help (G2 vs Z, Sense vs Stock, Bell vs Asia vs Europe. I know Bell will lose that fight against the continents though )
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I agree with steviewevie. I'm also a refugee from the Touch Pro 2 forum. Including different carriers, versions, regions into the discussion is fine, as long as people remember to mention which version they have (have to be "gently" reminded from time to time), and there are enough people from your particular community that can give you help.
I'm pretty new to the DZ forum, and already I find myself having to search around on both forums to make sure I haven't missed a solution that the G2 owners have come up with. There is no significant difference between the G2 and the DZ, and it doesn't make sense for them to have separate forums.
Further to this, if you've caught up with postings over on the DZ side here, then why not hop over to the G2 forums if you haven't done so already, and see what they're discussing ?
You'll see it's pretty similar to over here, though sometimes they might come up with a problem before us DZ folks do, and vice versa.
woo about time, no more reading the same thread on 2 forums
about time! There is not enough difference in between the phones to keep them seperate. I imagine all you have to do at the beginning of a thread is say "this is for XXXXXX only" and that will make it pretty clear for most.
The Z forums are a joke, thank god for this....
The z forums are like a specials song "Ghost Town". I always hum that tune when im entering the land of the Z forum lol
JD
blunted09 said:
about time! There is not enough difference in between the phones to keep them seperate. I imagine all you have to do at the beginning of a thread is say "this is for XXXXXX only" and that will make it pretty clear for most.
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I had to chime in on this one...How many nbs do you find that actually READ the warnings?
It would be really useful if everyone had a signature making it clear which phone/ROM they have. But of course there will be plenty of newcomers who don't have that initially.
No matter what you try to introduce there will always be those that fall outside of the realms of stupidity, especially here on xda
Please tell me which you prefer:
1. Full Merge
Four forums (the usuals) for both the G2 and DZ
2. Dev Merge
Merge DZ with G2 dev forum, delete DZ dev forum (which will have zero threads). Keep individual G2/DZ forums for general, accessories, themes and apps.
Full merge, please.
Yep, Full merge please.
1. Full Merge.
Someone in the G2 thread has suggested merging all of them but keeping seperate General sections as a temp measure specifically for the noobs. What does everyone think?
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Full merge. Or that ^
Personally I don't see why the General sections need keeping on their own, from the TP2 forum I'm used to threads about AT&T stuff which don't affect me so I just ignore them, similarly I'd not be too bothered about T-Mobile-specific threads from G2 owners in a merged forum.
There are so many "General" issues in common between the two phones.
I guess a full merge isn't that bad. I see quite a few of the general forum topics are questions. Just gotta make sure keep em in the Q&A section.