Hi all,
my first post here.
am really confused b/w Desire Z and Milestone 2. I neeeeeed a keyboard. tired of X10's onscreen keyboard rite now.
am not worried about the CPU clock speeds of OMAP and MSMs though.And not really worried about the Blur or sense stuff.
Any statistics on the GPU performance? saw the FPS on Desire Z's MSM7230 reached around 55. how much is Moto scoring in that area?
Has anyone here got a chance to play with both of these?
regards
Aj700
Another thing you should think about. Is that the milestone's bootloader is heavely locked. So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
You can see that in the Milestone forums. We are still waiting on the 2.2 upgrade. And they where actually considering not to release the 2.2 upgrade. Even though there are bugs in the pressent 2.1 firmware. (Very poor 2d framerate for instance)
ClausG76 said:
Another thing you should think about. Is that the milestone's bootloader is heavely locked. So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
You can see that in the Milestone forums. We are still waiting on the 2.2 upgrade. And they where actually considering not to release the 2.2 upgrade. Even though there are bugs in the pressent 2.1 firmware. (Very poor 2d framerate for instance)
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That's a completely fair point. I have the original Milestone, and actually wouldn't mind sticking with it if it weren't for their bootloader. Nothing wrong with the hardware itself, and the TI core is awesome. Still wont ever buy another device from Motorola unless they change their policies. Sure, HTC also has some restrictions, and you hear people complain about slow updates once in a blue mood, but they are easily the right choice, as the lesser of two evils.
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So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
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Hi, does that also mean HTC Sense cannot be loaded onto a Milestone 2, or just that Motorola 'Motoblur' improvements won't be possible unless direct from Motorola?
(Excuse my ignorance, I've read through pages on the Milestone 1 forum, but don't understand much of it since I've been Windows Mobile up to now.)
icewall said:
That's a completely fair point. I have the original Milestone, and actually wouldn't mind sticking with it if it weren't for their bootloader. Nothing wrong with the hardware itself, and the TI core is awesome. Still wont ever buy another device from Motorola unless they change their policies. Sure, HTC also has some restrictions, and you hear people complain about slow updates once in a blue mood, but they are easily the right choice, as the lesser of two evils.
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I was under the impression that the rooting exploits which worked on Droid variants will work on Milestones too. So its not as u guys suggest. And above all, I am not sure I will get a OTA update from Moto here, as I have never seen a moto phone at stores here. Moto doesnt looks interested in markets here????
AFAIK diff b/w msm8255 (inside HD) and msm7230( in Z) is only the cpu frequency. If it crosses 1GHz then it goes into 8series.
but for the reduced CPU clock we get a phy keyboard with Z. And the reduced 256MB ram and display sizes should help with little less power consumption. may be thats why they included a lesser 1300mAh battery.
well then HTC desire Z is the chosen one form me, if am gonna buy a new one!
Despite this forum is young, this has been discussed previously
The Droid2/Milestone2 is a natural contender for the Desire Z
More news: The "DROID2 PRO" or "DROID2 WORLD EDITION" (Moto A956) will be 1.2GHz - more info and some benchmarks here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/09/2...marks-and-system-info-hello-1-2ghz-processor/
The Mileston2/Droid2 beats the Desire Z in every aspect (faster processor, 8 GB RAM, dual LED flash, slightly smaller and lighter... etc) BUT it is motorola, not HTC
HTC has more community support and developers/hackers devoted
Root, bootloader, whatever you name it, HTC will have it first
BUT as I stated in another thread, the Desire Z's 800MHz processor has me wondering if those supposedly "gingerbread (android 3.0) minnimum hardware specs" will be a major issue for a future upgrade to android 3.0
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gtrab said:
Despite this forum is young, this has been discussed previously
The Droid2/Milestone2 is a natural contender for the Desire Z
More news: The "DROID2 PRO" or "DROID2 WORLD EDITION" (Moto A956) will be 1.2GHz - more info and some benchmarks here:
droid-life.com/2010/09/22/droid-2-global-benchmarks-and-system-info-hello-1-2ghz-processor/
The Mileston2/Droid2 beats the Desire Z in every aspect (faster processor, 8 GB RAM, dual LED flash, slightly smaller and lighter... etc) BUT it is motorola, not HTC
HTC has more community support and developers/hackers devoted
Root, bootloader, whatever you name it, HTC will have it first
BUT as I stated in another thread, the Desire Z's 800MHz processor has me wondering if those supposedly "gingerbread (android 3.0) minnimum hardware specs" will be a major issue for a future upgrade to android 3.0
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on Gingerbread side I am confident that it will definitely come to Desire Z. even if not official OTA update comes out, its the same CPU core(ARMv7) on HD and on the same chipset family (MSMs) so that should be more than enough for this wonderful community to port it across.
Thanks for pointing to the benchmark results. I ran a quick search for the same benchmark on MSM series and saw this smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/83-msm8255-adreno-205-in-htc-desire-hd-gets-quadrant-benchmark-tested/
this is huge improvement.
you can see more benchmarks here. smartphonebenchmarks.com/
So with the kind of community tweak and fixes Samsung Hummingbird is getting, if it comes to the new gen MSMs we are looking at here, we may see more performance. feel free to say if I am wrong.
regards
Aj700
I used HTC device for over 8years, voice quality never improved, that why I jump to motorola, I need a phone more then a PDA.
It's been said before and I'll say it again. Despite the Droid/Milestone 2 looking like the tastier hardware, their software development and support leaves a lot to be desired.
Most Milestone owners will tell you they won't buy Moto again, despite their awesome hardware, because Moto do not give a sh*t about supporting their phones or bug fixing. Add in the fact the bootloaders are locked down, meaning noone else can fix their mistakes, and it starts to look like their is only one choice - the Desire Z.
I really, really want the Droid 2 World Edition that's coming out - that chrome and white just looks the business in my opinion. But I know I'll be sorry if I buy it.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/22/dro...d-with-its-own-silver-and-white-color-scheme/
colala said:
I used HTC device for over 8years, voice quality never improved, that why I jump to motorola, I need a phone more then a PDA.
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You must not have upgraded phones in 8 years then, I can tell a huge difference between my Kaiser to my Leo.
Even then, I've yet to use a Motorola phone that doesn't have horrid battery life
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I was under the impression that the rooting exploits which worked on Droid variants will work on Milestones too. So its not as u guys suggest. And above all, I am not sure I will get a OTA update from Moto here, as I have never seen a moto phone at stores here. Moto doesnt looks interested in markets here????
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Rooting has nothing to do with custom ROMs and upgradeability. Rooting gives you root, and that's all. Nothing else. You can run apps requiring a superuser (screenshot apps, MarketEnabler,...) and that's it.
Second step in case of Motorola phones with locked bootloader is using a custom userland. That is - you can change anything in phone but the kernel. So you can put a 2.2 UI on top of a 2.1 kernel - but you won't have the JIT and many other cool stuff. And when Google releases 3.0, you won't have that either if some functionality will depend on new kernel. This is the main problem - you can make a semi-cyanogenmod, where you place all UI improvements into a update package, but that's all, it's not 2.2. It's 2.2 UI running on Android 2.1 on Motorola 2.1 kernel.
The last step are full custom ROMs, uncluding custom/new kernels, not made and/or signed by Motorola. This is impossible to do on Motorola phones, which means when Motorola stops providing updates for your phone you won't get any updates from anyone. No community updates, no Motorola updates.
This plus the support speed of Motorola (2.1 released in April, reboot bug fixed in September) makes Motorola a very, very, very, very bad choice. Also ask all DEXT owners what do they think about Motorola support for their phones (aka no Android 2.1 for DEXT).
Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones. They made their point in non-US markets with DEXT and Milestone and get a lot of bad publicity thanks to this. US market is learning this now with Droid 2 and Droid X, they already got their first batch of bugs specific to Motorola phones which are going to be fixed slooowly (the SMS bug).
So, if you really want the better phone, get the Desire Z. It's not the hardware, but the support which really matters. What is all the better specs of Milestone 2 worth if it is plagued with bugs all over the place.
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Rooting has nothing to do with custom ROMs and upgradeability. Rooting gives you root, and that's all. Nothing else. You can run apps requiring a superuser (screenshot apps, MarketEnabler,...) and that's it.
Second step in case of Motorola phones with locked bootloader is using a custom userland. That is - you can change anything in phone but the kernel. So you can put a 2.2 UI on top of a 2.1 kernel - but you won't have the JIT and many other cool stuff. And when Google releases 3.0, you won't have that either if some functionality will depend on new kernel. This is the main problem - you can make a semi-cyanogenmod, where you place all UI improvements into a update package, but that's all, it's not 2.2. It's 2.2 UI running on Android 2.1 on Motorola 2.1 kernel.
The last step are full custom ROMs, uncluding custom/new kernels, not made and/or signed by Motorola. This is impossible to do on Motorola phones, which means when Motorola stops providing updates for your phone you won't get any updates from anyone. No community updates, no Motorola updates.
This plus the support speed of Motorola (2.1 released in April, reboot bug fixed in September) makes Motorola a very, very, very, very bad choice. Also ask all DEXT owners what do they think about Motorola support for their phones (aka no Android 2.1 for DEXT).
Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones. They made their point in non-US markets with DEXT and Milestone and get a lot of bad publicity thanks to this. US market is learning this now with Droid 2 and Droid X, they already got their first batch of bugs specific to Motorola phones which are going to be fixed slooowly (the SMS bug).
So, if you really want the better phone, get the Desire Z. It's not the hardware, but the support which really matters. What is all the better specs of Milestone 2 worth if it is plagued with bugs all over the place.
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so even with the new SuperOneClick root method, it's still not possible to get custom ROMs on the Droid 2/World Edition? Is this correct?
Given the talk about lockdowns for the T-Mobile G2, is there any reason to suspect the HTC DeeZire Z wont also have lockdowns preventing custom ROMs?
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Given the talk about lockdowns for the T-Mobile G2, is there any reason to suspect the HTC DeeZire Z wont also have lockdowns preventing custom ROMs?
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it's hard to tell at this stage..but the device is not T-Mo, so there's hope!
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so even with the new SuperOneClick root method, it's still not possible to get custom ROMs on the Droid 2/World Edition? Is this correct?
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Correct. Root gives you only what it says - a root user, a ability to run the su command, ability to use applications requiring superuser privileges.
With all Motorola phones after Motorola Droid 1, you need a ROM with a kernel signed by Motorola private key. That means, you can right now change everything, except the kernel. In case of Milestone 1, you can put 2.2 UI on top of 2.1 kernel. When they will release 2.2 for Milestone 1, you will be probably able to put 3.0 UI on top of 2.2 kernel - but all the improvements at kernel level won't be available to you. For example in case of MotoFrenzy it means "Video Recorder + camera focus/audio" not working. And you will have problems like this every time you use a older kernel with newer UI.
Until someone comes up with a solution (get the key from Motorola, any of the solutions guys at http://and-developers.com/ are trying), any Motorola phone released after Droid 1 is a bad choice, as you are getting only updates from Motorola, and they don't have a good record in this area. Once you are left behind, you are left behind forever, no community support.
Of course HTC G2/Desire Z has it's own set of problems with this unwritable memory causing only a temporary root working, but this case is more likely to be breaked, as it's not key signing, just a hardware lockout, which will be IMHO solved with the first official update if not sooner (because at first update they will have to unlock the memory which is now locked).
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Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones...
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you haven't tryed Sony Ericsson
at least there are "ROMs" for the motos,
but SE = no SPL, no bootloader, no ROMs for any of their android phones,
not even the xperia x2 got hard SPL
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is it really a big deal worrying about when a company will stop supporting the phone?? ive been considering a milestone 2 or desire z myself so im interested in a comparision between the two. what difference does it make if motorola stop updates after a year...how often does the average user on here change phones? once a year...maybe 18months..2 years maximum. by then theres another super duper king dong phone out twice as fast lol. so its kind of pointless not buying a phone because motorola/htc/sony etc will stop providing upgrades in a year or two time. we wont have the phone by then! itll be someone elses problem lol. and if u do still have the phone, if they havent solved the major bugs within a year then theres no real hope and u might aswell ditch it and move on anyway.
its more relevant to make the comparison using information available today. most people just want a phone that works out the box, will run a few apps, make calls and wont crash every 10mins which is the better based on the performance, usuability and stablility right now? is the milestone 2 a buggy unusable mess that desperately needs custom roms and fixes? or can the average user quite happily make good use of it in everyday situations without worrying about roms, fixes and patches?
I made a comparison (desire z vs milestone 2)
The milestone 2 beats the D-Z on every aspect, except not being HTC...
Which one will I get ?? Easy:
The first one available with NAM bands
Sent from my X10a using XDA App
looked at afew milestone 2 videos and it actually looks laggy on the touchscreen changing from screens.
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is it really a big deal worrying about when a company will stop supporting the phone?? ive been considering a milestone 2 or desire z myself so im interested in a comparision between the two. what difference does it make if motorola stop updates after a year...how often does the average user on here change phones? once a year...maybe 18months..2 years maximum. by then theres another super duper king dong phone out twice as fast lol. so its kind of pointless not buying a phone because motorola/htc/sony etc will stop providing upgrades in a year or two time. we wont have the phone by then! itll be someone elses problem lol. and if u do still have the phone, if they havent solved the major bugs within a year then theres no real hope and u might aswell ditch it and move on anyway.
its more relevant to make the comparison using information available today. most people just want a phone that works out the box, will run a few apps, make calls and wont crash every 10mins which is the better based on the performance, usuability and stablility right now? is the milestone 2 a buggy unusable mess that desperately needs custom roms and fixes? or can the average user quite happily make good use of it in everyday situations without worrying about roms, fixes and patches?
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that's pretty much the philosophy that most phone companies are selling their phones on today - and it's not incorrect! In fact, for most users, having the phone "just work" (even with some minor performance issues) is okay..in fact, the phone can still be great! (just look at the iPhone)
but xda-devs is a forum where a lot of the "hard-core" phone or "enthusiasts" go to try and squeeze everything out of their devices -which is why rooting and custom ROMs are in demand. My Touch HD would have been binned about 6 months ago were it not for the custom ROMs and mods that came out and made it a completely new and interesting device every 2 weeks. So that's why being able to flash a custom ROM on my future device is important - and that's why Desire Z is winning me over the Milestone 2..plus, 800MHz will /probably/ be overclocked to 1GHz+ and the performance benchmarks so far have been amazing
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Will we Legend get Android 2.2 (Froyo) update?
Here are the platform highlights. very good improvements
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
Latest news from HTC (thanks to Iryia ) :
Iryia said:
Hi guys,
I just received a reply from HTC..
"Good Morning Thank you for contacting HTC At the moment we dont have official date of the relase for the new update but it is suitable for your device and soon or later it will be relased for Legend Regards Piotr HTC "
At least some good news..
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Yes, we will, its just a question of when!
HTC will have to apply their 'modifications' to it, i.e. Sense.
Then if yours is network branded, you have to wait until your network make it available to you, after they've made their changes!
Unless of course you've rooted, which case you should be able to apply a fresh ROM whenever it is made available.
I believe the above is correct, am sure someone will correct me if needed.
What I'm wondering is will FROYO make a different to the speed of the Legend? There are many reports online about how FROYO will make the Nexus One and Desire up to 300% faster due to the JIT Compiler (and other stuff?) ...but is this potential speed benefit applicable to the Legend?
I really really hope so...
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Yes, we will, its just a question of when!
HTC will have to apply their 'modifications' to it, i.e. Sense.
Then if yours is network branded, you have to wait until your network make it available to you, after they've made their changes!
Unless of course you've rooted, which case you should be able to apply a fresh ROM whenever it is made available.
I believe the above is correct, am sure someone will correct me if needed.
What I'm wondering is will FROYO make a different to the speed of the Legend? There are many reports online about how FROYO will make the Nexus One and Desire up to 300% faster due to the JIT Compiler (and other stuff?) ...but is this potential speed benefit applicable to the Legend?
I really really hope so...
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HTC LEGEND is not getting 2.2 Update in 2010.
Source -->>URL product-reviews.net/2010/05/21/android-2-2-froyo-no-update-to-htc-hero-legend-and-droid-eris-phones
Following on from our previous article, which informed you about HTC’s plans to update their smartphones to the latest version of Android OS (2.2 Froyo), it seems that HTC deliberately left a few handset names off their initial upgrade list.
HTC issued a fresh statement, in which they detailed a few handsets that will be receiving the update to Android 2.2 first. These included the HTC Incredible, MyTouch 3G, HTC Desire and the HTC EVO 4G smartphone.
Does this mean that handsets such as the HTC Hero, Legend and Droid Eris will not be getting the update to 2.2 Froyo? We can understand the Hero and Droid Eris not being included on the list, since they were released a while ago now, but what about the HTC Legend?
The Legend was available after the HTC Desire, so it seems slightly odd that the statement from HTC didn’t include the handset on the list. Maybe it was just a bad choice of wording. Hopefully HTC will clear this up for us soon – we’ll update you when we can.
"zabaknilesh "
HTC Legend probably get Android 2.2 (FROYO) update because is launched this year,see here:
http://www.androidcentral.com/most-2010-htc-android-phones-will-get-froyo-2010
I really hope it does get updated, the whole reason I upgraded to legend and not desire was A. the industrial design of the phone, and B. sick of waiting around for 2.1 GSM hero update so gave the hero to GF.
Even after this statement im seeing a pattern here with HTC not clearly being able to state weather or not brand new phones will receive an update, or hell even when (2nd half of 2010 can mean December). If it does turn out our Legends dont get 2.2 I'm gonna stick with vanilla android experience on an unlocked N1, or hopefully N2.
I dont think that HTC will update Legend to 2.2.
Considering its RAM and processor Legend is behind from N1 and Desire or incredible.
Even i have Legend and its utterly dissapointing from the side of HTC to ignore such a high profile handset from new update.I ll never buy any handset from HTC now onwards.
F*** u HTC......
Froyo for Legend
I bought the legend some time ago. It would be a major dissappointment if HTC doesn`t create an update for it...let`s be realistic the amount of work they have to do once they change stuff to work on the Desire should be fairly minimal. Also I don`t think that the HW of Legend is not good enough to run Froyo (from what I`ve heart all devices should see a performance boost and the ROM itself should be smaller). Anyway we`ll see how it goes ). Worst case is that everybody will root their legends and flash it over and over again with unstable roms until it becomes an aluminium brick going back to HTC for replacement )
tbh if the mytouch slide is getting update i see no reason why they shouldn't update the legend either
the my touch has :
320x480 screen
600mhz cpu (same as legend i believe)
387mb ram
512mb rom
so spec wise its very similar to legend so its got nothing to do with the lack of snapdragon or screen res.
and tbh all devices even 1st gen should get an update for 1 very big reason JIT!
it will make everything faster.
really there is no reason not to update the legend
if all of us email them they might give an update let the legend 2.2 outcry begin!
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tbh if the mytouch slide is getting update i see no reason why they shouldn't update the legend either
the my touch has :
320x480 screen
600mhz cpu (same as legend i believe)
387mb ram
512mb rom
so spec wise its very similar to legend so its got nothing to do with the lack of snapdragon or screen res.
and tbh all devices even 1st gen should get an update for 1 very big reason JIT!
it will make everything faster.
really there is no reason not to update the legend
if all of us email them they might give an update let the legend 2.2 outcry begin!
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However that phone has the Espresso ver of Sense not the reg one.
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However that phone has the Espresso ver of Sense not the reg one.
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why should the sense version matter ? either way they have to update sense on all the models to support the new 2.2 features for example why not just resize the desire one which is essentially the same as the legend minus the live wallpaper support
either way im sure 2.2 will popup in other non official roms
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However that phone has the Espresso ver of Sense not the reg one.
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people forget about the specs these are not comparable to win xp & then vista & then win 7, these are not resource hungry, I reckon its handset selling gimmicks of HTC, i have fallen victim to it; i have sold my hero & bought LEGEND; now i suppose history is going to repeat itself on legend. this time wait is going to be for FROYO.
New article found now:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/33238/htc-phones-android-os-updates
i think we have update
Pff I bought the Legend in stead of the desire because I thought it would have better support on forums and from HTC (since it was the succesor to Hero) bad mistake, really hope we get the update, but I'm not really counting on it.
There is no reason why Legend shouldn't get the update...the specs are surelly enought. No need to panic guys....i mean even if there will be no official rom with 2.2 rom (which i trully doubt) there will be plenty of rooted roms available.
Let's just wait and see.
just wait n watch what HTC does. If they release 2.2 for Legend then is well gud otherwise HTC will loose its credibility..........
Update to froyo for htc legend is clearly 100% sure come on guys! It's sure because it's a phone tha has 2-3 months of life! It's sure htc will update it. The problem is when...even if I don't understand where is the difficulty to upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2, it seems very simple, in fact google will update n1 in the next 2 weeks...I don't think the senseUI is so hard to update, considering that this upgrade is not revolutionary! The very cool features of froyo are simple to add to a device working on 2.1. So HTC move your ass and make this upgrade available for max september. If we will not have the upgrade for september will be really bad for a company like HTC that wants to fight against apple. So please make your engineers work hard to give us this upgrade quickly, considering it's also quite simple to do it.
you are absolutely right mate. legend has the power to run it. also Froyo has been built for more speed and stability. So unless HTC dont want to upgrade it for its marketing reasons, we ll have Froyo running on our legends.
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you are absolutely right mate. legend has the power to run it. also Froyo has been built for more speed and stability. So unless HTC dont want to upgrade it for its marketing reasons, we ll have Froyo running on our legends.
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I had a diamond 2 before the legend, and ii OS was windows mobile 6.1. HTC made available the 6.5 upgrade for free, so I can't imagine this time will do different. So it's only matter of time, and we all hope max 2-3 months from now it's enough.
Froyo (pre-rooted) out for the Nexus
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686631
This german article says:
Legend will get the 2.2 update.
"in the second half 2010"
Hey Guys,
Sorry for that dump thread, but i need some technical opionions to the GS.
I bought that mobile because its for me ideal in size, features and so on.
My "last" mobile was an iphone 3G and i was very happy with that stuff. But now i have the GS and its amazing. So in the last days i checked the xda and MoDaCo forum and found the threads about the point that the samsung drivers are encrypted and the partions are different to other smartphones, so if samsung decide to reject an update to Android 2.2 or 3.0 we never receive that update from the community. On the HTC phones it is easier for the community to hack an version and bring them to other devices but it seems for the GS it is impossible. For me it is importend to use a mobile that i can update & use it in 2 or 3 years.
So take the samsung or send it back and wait for example a bigger htc oder a 3g droid x?
regards
Timo
Let's just say, SGS currently offers nearly everything at the top of the market.
BUT, it would NOT be future proof. Technology advances regardless of any economical drawbacks, there WILL be better phones out there in the future.
Screen - debatable with iPhone4's screen
This really is a territory where personal preference will determine which the better screen will be, the differences are that minuscule.
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iPhone4 Retina Display vs. Galaxy S Super Amoled
CPU/GPU - YES YES YES. THREE times the speed of today's smartphone.
Coolermaster
Hummingbird vs. Snapdragon: The 1 GHz Smartphone Showdown
OS - Debatable so i wouldn't want to get into this. (but might i add this? the community behind android, let alone other OS, has an advantage of being futuristic-proof because of the regular tweets and mods)
Camera - 5mp, pretty darn low comparatively to other smartphones but it's adequate/satisfying after seeing the vids/pics
For me, I would certainly pick SGS. This is a bad place to ask for our opinon, it's a SGS dedicated section! (Trust me, you won't regret it. The screen is the dealbreaker)
Anything else you're wondering?
And no, i don't own the phone YET.
I'll be purchasing as soon as ATT's Captivate releases.
I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?
Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable
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Samsung is also what's keeping me from buying a Galaxy S.
I love the freedom of the HTC (specially the Nexus One), and being locked to Samsung with their terrible support is a dreadful sight to me.
I really don't know what to do, since I believe the Galaxy S has the best hardware nowadays but its software is just... unreliable
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in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...
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I have the same question he has, myself...
I 100% agree it's the best right now. But Android grows fast. We'll have dual core devices THIS YEAR (granted I think they'll suck battery like a cow but we'll see how it goes)... So obviously, it won't be relevant forever.
However my main issue is like with 3.0... Will we be able to upgrade or not?
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As BasieP was saying that we'll have a custom froyo, it'll happen for 3.0 (GingerBread) too. SGS will be one of the largest community due to its alluring specs. (my prediction, finger crossed - but seriously, just look at the specs)
Well that's if Samsung would not be able to provide an official build. (With the current number of developers in the community, any kind of modding is really possible)
You shouldn't worry about the support from Samsung. If you don't have Samsung, you have us. Remember now, Android is a community based 'software' (need a better word!). Annnnd best of all, our tweaks are far superior than 'official' builds.
Don't get your hopes up yet. It's not sure wether there will be a problem with the drivers or not
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in what way exactly are you 'locked'?
the phone is rooted, and i expect a custom rom with froyo soon...
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Well, reading the Modaco custom rom topic (I can't post the link because I'm a new user) I'm led to believe that so far nobody can make a custom rom if Samsung doesn't release the regular rom first. So, no custom Froyo until Samsung release its own Froyo update. The same for Gingerbread.
See what the poster says:
"MoDaCo Custom ROMs are based on official ROMs - either shipping or leaked. A MCR release is designed to feel as far as possible like a stock ROM, with optimisations, tweaks and complimentary additions that enhance the user experience. The aim of a MCR is to be ultra reliable for use on an everyday device."
Later on someone else says:
"No I said it would be near impossible to get roms from other sources like Sense roms or Froyo on because of the driver issue. I never said you would never see custom roms. The only roms you are going to see are one's based off of Samsungs release."
And apparently this problem has happened with the others Samsung Android phones too.
That's what I meant with being locked with Samsung.
I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Sorry Samsung...
regards
Timo
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I think Yceman make the point:
Without official driver from samsung: no update.
So i am sure that 2.2 will be the last update from samsung (yeah the sucessor is announced for Q1Y12.
And this means, that i will give back my galaxy S because i want more than 1 update (okay froyo will be an important update).
Timo
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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
Do we really know the hardware specifications of Android 3.0?
I'm going to the SGS fingers crossed that it get the FroYo in 2010. HTC Desire get it for next Xmas, as read in many sites.
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Can any of the recent phones handle the Gingerbread for sure?
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We know nothing "for sure". But it is very likely: The first Android Phone (G1),released 2008, runs Android 2.1 just fine, and it is getting 2.2 as well.
The question is not in hardware, but in support. Does Samsung want to support this phone in 6 month, and does the community has what it needs to take the future of the I9000 into its own hands?
As long as nobody counters the "drivers are properitary" argument from psychoace, I expect that there won't be custom roms which are not based on Samsung's own ROMs.
And as long as Samsung's PR does not make a great statement in this direction, we should expect that they won't support the galaxy S in 6 month. Because that is what they did with all their android phones so far. The samsung moment can easily handle Froyo, it was released in Fall '09, and it was announced a week ago that it won't get the update.
That said, support is not better from HTC, Motorola or Sony. At least here in Europe. The Nexus One is the exception, but that is not because of HTC.
Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.
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Hi Guys. This question of on-going support is the critical one for me. I really wanted to buy the Galaxy S but I've just pulled the trigger and purchased a nexus one !!!
Like any 'bleeding' edge phone the Galaxy S currently has a number of outstanding issues but who knows when, if ever, they will be fixed. At least with the nexus one there are regular updates from google AND there are loads of roms and driver updates etc available.
For me in the end it boiled down to a choice between (a) the Galaxy with its better hardware and features (E.g. the screen, built-in memory, video playback, music player etc) but with unreliable fixes and updating and (b) the Nexus with a not so good screen and poorer selections of apps out of the box but with easier updating and reliable updating.
However, having said that, I still think the Galaxy will still be a good/better choice for many ( most?) people provided purchasers are happy with the phone as is. I regard myself - and probably many of the XDA-developer members as a minority for whom the latest OS updates are important.
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A number of items to consider:
1. This phone is being released worldwide. (support is a given)
2. Samsung has released the source code and developed a site to release source code for all their future products.
See here: http://opensource.samsung.com/reception/reception_main.do?searchValue=i9000&method=reception_search
3. There is already a custom rom on MoDaco.
4. Since the phone is already rooted, further support will no doubt continue.
5. The GPU on the SGS is just insane compared to what is currently available on other phones. (including the iPhone 4)
6. The Screen!
7. The Screen!
8. The Screen!
Only time will tell how much support this phone will get from the community, but considering it is already rooted and the amount of enthusiasm people have for this phone, I think the support will continue. Even with Samsung's previous history (Behold II), I'm confindent that the SGS will get continued support. I feel this is the beginning of a very important product line for them. The backlash from South Korea alone would be immense if they dropped support. Pissing off customers in your home country would not be a good idea.
I'm definitely putting all my eggs in this basket and hoping for the best.
PS: There's no such thing as a future proof phone. There will definitely be a better phone this fall. But probably none with a Super AMOLED screen.
Hello!
I am very intersted in getting an Andorid phone that is waterproof as i always manage to brick my Smartphones while mountaineering and the liek through water damage. Till now i used a HTC Tilt2 (wm6) but i decided to go Android when that one bricks a long time ago.
That point has now come as some of the front buttons dont work anymore and the display broke in half. I already ordered a repairkit but i still want to get a new phone.
Now, just recently motorola announced the DEFY which is the first IP67 Andorid phone to my knowledge. As the specs seem fine enough and its going to sell here in Germany for 350€ i`m all in for the phone.
What bugs me though is, that nobody on this Forum even mentions the Phone, let alone the existience of an own category - which it deserves in my point of view.
Why is this?
I would really like to know if it should be possible to install custom roms to the defy as i don`t want to wait ages to get Froyo just to get Motoblur (which i wouldn`t like anyway i think)...
Thx,
Christian
Same here. The defy will come to the US too by the end of the year.
I really laughed when realizing, the users speculate about phones which are not even announced, but ignore one of the most interesting devices this year (imo) which will be released in less than a month.
But if you check other blogs or forums or whatnot, the defy seems to be pretty rare indeed. I still miss some real reviews, not some stupid advertising i'm reading since announcement.
It's a pity, it's an OMAP3610 though. And with the closed bootloader + missing interest of devs in the defy, you won't see custom roms anytime soon...maybe never.
Im not that deep into that topic but i thought that it would be possible to hack the bootloader as there are many hacks for other motorola Phones.
It would be really sad if it could be done but wouldn`t be due to the lack of interest in this phone.
Th OMAP 3610 shoud be quite adequate for the phone - it only lacks GFX-acceleration to its better brothers but for such a phone i doubt that gfx play such an important role.
I would rather like a phone with absolute high-end hardware and a hardware keyboard which is waterproof but i don`t think that will happen soon.
Think of a waterproof HTC Desire Z .... that would be a dream.
Somewhat News here:
According to some tests with quadrant, The Defy uses a OMAP 3610 which is still somehow supported by a PowerVr SGX 530, which was added by Motorola !
With the Omap 3610 and the PowerVR + Android 2.1 it got around 1050 points. Amazing if you look at the phone as a whole now if you ask me.
+ some hints indicate 2 versions of the Phone...with and without Motoblur (For Europe so far)
This phone NEEDS a forum.
If it has a closed bootloader it dont eed a forum. Because u cant do any rooting stuff with your phone!
And that prevents admins to make a forum with "General", "Accessories" and "Themes and Apps" ?
+ without a forum to increase popularity, there will be little efforts to take the bootloader under further investigation.
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If it has a closed bootloader it dont eed a forum. Because u cant do any rooting stuff with your phone!
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Certainly didn't stop them from putting up forums for the Milestone, the Droid X, Droid 2 et cetera. It could well still be rootable, moddable, exploitable by 2nd-boot or other such methods, etc.
So, any news on a cetegory?
The phone is avaible and seems to be quite good even without gfx-processor.
Tmo just announced it
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...&WT.z_searchTerm=defy&WT.z_searchProduct=DEFY
Just announced for $99 on contract.
Hoping for root for this one.
Get 2.2 on this and it could be a great phone for those who spend time outside and don't want to worry about a dead phone if it rains.
The defy has been rooted used the droid 2 root method
I have a thread at M3 http://modmymobile.com/forums/580-motorola-defy/557910-motorola-defy-root-droid2method.html
Awesome...before release even! Hope to quickly see some ROMs for it to bring it up to 2.2.
I'll likely get it next month after my current contract runs out.
Rooting the Defy won't necessarily mean a custom 2.2 ROM. They've established the root method works, but nothing has been said of the recovery/ROM methods, which for the Droid X and Droid 2 are already pretty makeshift.
yeah, that is why I'm hoping.
hate to see a phone come out behind what is current so I come here to xda hoping to see it is upgradable even if not officially.
Sucks that moto would release a niche phone like this that is behind from the start though. They released droid x with 2.1 and updated a month or two later, but that was on verizon. Not thinking they'll be so quick to update on Tmo.
Prove me wrong moto! Push the defy up to 2.2. Then I'll buy it without waiting for a custom ROM
It has been confirmed that the defy will get 2.2 by end of year or early next year. custom recovery will be coming soon.. hopefully we can get that done before release as well
where?
jboogie3 said:
It has been confirmed that the defy will get 2.2 by end of year or early next year. custom recovery will be coming soon.. hopefully we can get that done before release as well
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omyg said:
prooflink?
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Update confirmed by Motorola employees on this german forum
http://www.android-hilfe.de/sonstig...-outdoor-smartphone-das-motorola-defy-27.html
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Update confirmed by Motorola employees on this german forum
http://www.android-hilfe.de/sonstig...-outdoor-smartphone-das-motorola-defy-27.html
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Wouldn't quite take this as gospel, but it makes me hopeful!
hope for rooting a defy?
i hope there is a possibility in the near future for rooting a defy (in a simple way, because for me it's something new.
it seems there are (a lot) people interested in this.
i saw motoblur and didn't like, so it would be fine if one can delte it.
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i hope there is a possibility in the near future for rooting a defy (in a simple way, because for me it's something new.
it seems there are (a lot) people interested in this.
i saw motoblur and didn't like, so it would be fine if one can delte it.
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From what I have read about it you can't just get rid of motoblur...it is more than widgets on the homescreen(s). Some have said you can install other homescreens, but I don't think that will remove it either...just make it look different. All said most people say the latest version of motoblur is much better than the first one.
Time will tell, but I'm still hoping for ROMS on the DEFY.
The Defy actually has a GPU: The powerVR 530 as can be seen on the official site here.
Actually, the defy is recognised as a phone with an OMAP6130 by motorolas Flash-tool.
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/38311/android-2-4-april-release-date
in a move that shows there is some kind of cover-up of the mistake of the lack of Android 2.3 devices on the market (aside from the Nexus S) 2.4 will still be called Gingerbread, as the only new feature it adds will be this ability to support dual-core apps on a single-core device.
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Makes complete sense. Dev's are already using the honeycomb SDK to produce apps made for dual core devices. Google cares more about having the maximum number of apps to be available to as many people as possible rather than having a handful of consumers having the absolute latest edition (and I have to agree with them).
How many stock vanilla android devices are there? Just us and the NS (pretty sure no one gets OTA's the day of except us two). Getting an OS out there for everyone is more important then keeping a relatively small group happy with the latest official build. Besides, the N1 is meant for ROM's. Google want's us to play with them, which is why I own the phone. If you've been waiting for gingerbread, just flash a freaking ROM and be happy.
Gingerbread isn't even that great anyway.
AFAIK Gingerbread suffers different problems:
1. security
2. resets
IMHO google devs are working on them before pushing 2.3 on the nexus one too, making it vulnerable and unstable.
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AFAIK Gingerbread suffers different problems:
1. security
2. resets
IMHO google devs are working on them before pushing 2.3 on the nexus one too, making it vulnerable and unstable.
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Yhea i did read about the resets in NS, i'm using GB on N1 but it never resets on it's own.
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Yhea i did read about the resets in NS, i'm using GB on N1 but it never resets on it's own.
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The resets may be an issue with the Nexus S hardware, and not with the OS. The Samsung Galaxy S phones have quite a few "issues", just ask any owner of a Captivate. I switched from the Captivate to a Nexus One, it is a much better phone.
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Yhea i did read about the resets in NS, i'm using GB on N1 but it never resets on it's own.
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I'm on CM7 and getting occasional random resets.
Google announced 27. January that OTA for Nexus S coming in 1-2 weeks, I don´t know why, but maybe we´ll see both Nexus One and Nexus S OTA.
I wish people would stop saying "just flash a GB ROM and be done with it", there's more to it than that. The N1 is sort of a reference design for alot of phones out there. A working N1 GB ROM means solid drivers, solid battery life, solid performance, etc.
I also have an HD2, it's running GB but the battery life (and BT stack in particular) is pretty poor. Devs say they won't be able to improve much until there are more GB ROMs they can pick parts from. First on that list is the N1.
There are more than just us Nexus One users tapping their fingers waiting for Google on this.
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AFAIK Gingerbread suffers different problems:
1. security
2. resets
IMHO google devs are working on them before pushing 2.3 on the nexus one too, making it vulnerable and unstable.
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The "reset" issue is specific to the NS hardware. Samsung screwed the pooch on that one. There are plenty of people here running GB roms with out issue.
But I do believe the security flaws recently discovered to have a significant impact on GB's delayed release.
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The "reset" issue is specific to the NS hardware. Samsung screwed the pooch on that one. There are plenty of people here running GB roms with out issue.
But I do believe the security flaws recently discovered to have a significant impact on GB's delayed release.
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I've had plenty of resets on my N1 with CM7
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I wish people would stop saying "just flash a GB ROM and be done with it", there's more to it than that. The N1 is sort of a reference design for alot of phones out there. A working N1 GB ROM means solid drivers, solid battery life, solid performance, etc.
I also have an HD2, it's running GB but the battery life (and BT stack in particular) is pretty poor. Devs say they won't be able to improve much until there are more GB ROMs they can pick parts from. First on that list is the N1.
There are more than just us Nexus One users tapping their fingers waiting for Google on this.
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My N1 is running a GB ROM with solid battery life, and performance. I don't know about drivers but everything works perfectly and as it should. Almost like I am running an official build of GB. The reboot issue only seemed to occur on CM7.. oddly. And it wasn't frequent enough for me to care.
I thought the HD2 always had pathetic battery life when it came to Android. Mine's did, until I remembered to install SetCPU. It last all day, which is just what I need.
I mean the AOSP was released for gingerbread, so we can get some pretty stable ROM's. No it isn't as good as an official update, but if I wanted to wait for official updates, I would have bought a desire.
Now I'm not sure about this, but I think most ROM's that are cooked are built using the ASOP rather than modified stock ROM's. It isn't worth waiting and complaining for a 100% optimized OTA ROM when there are tons of temporary solutions.
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I mean the AOSP was released for gingerbread, so we can get some pretty stable ROM's. No it isn't as good as an official update, but if I wanted to wait for official updates, I would have bought a desire.
Now I'm not sure about this, but I think most ROM's that are cooked are built using the ASOP rather than modified stock ROM's. It isn't worth waiting and complaining for a 100% optimized OTA ROM when there are tons of temporary solutions.
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dont get ya. do you think desire owners arent using AOSP ginger?
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I mean the AOSP was released for gingerbread, so we can get some pretty stable ROM's. No it isn't as good as an official update, but if I wanted to wait for official updates, I would have bought a desire.
Now I'm not sure about this, but I think most ROM's that are cooked are built using the ASOP rather than modified stock ROM's. It isn't worth waiting and complaining for a 100% optimized OTA ROM when there are tons of temporary solutions.
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I bought the N1 because it was great hardware and, most importantly, because it was carrier free. The ability to root and flash the phone is nice in case I ever feel the need to admin yet another Linux machine, but that was certainly not everyones reason for getting the phone.
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dont get ya. do you think desire owners arent using AOSP ginger?
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I simply meant that we receive updates as soon as they are available, and are the first ones to get it. Desire has to wait for HTC to update sense and drivers and all that stuff until they release an OTA.
pfmiller said:
I bought the N1 because it was great hardware and, most importantly, because it was carrier free. The ability to root and flash the phone is nice in case I ever feel the need to admin yet another Linux machine, but that was certainly not everyones reason for getting the phone.
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Touche, although there aren't many people on these forums with the same intentions. I was simply speaking to the masses.
I don't know why release is taking so long...
My N1 resets randomly on CM7.... but luckily I don't have the wonks!
Google will release it when its ready!
What devices will not get Android 4.0?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB ROM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.0. These devices include the HTC ChaCha, HTC Salsa, HTC Wildfire S, HTC Explorer, and others.
HTC tablets, including the HTC Flyer, HTC EVO View 4G, and HTC Jetstream, will remain on their current Android version (Honeycomb).
Upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.0 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support as needed.
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Source: http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
No shock there. Vision owners got their Android bump from 2.2 to 2.3, they weren't going to bother with another.
Unfortunate there was no mention of the Desire HD though, want those drivers...
Edit: Nvm, July-August! Yay.
Then how come htc desire c has ice cream sandwich???
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Excuse me but isn't ROM the internal memory meaning we qualify" Or is it actually RAM? I'm confused. ROM is non-writable so it's definately not RAM...?
Why be care so much about rom? Isn't it ram they are concerned with?
But on topic htc is making a mistake here, even if they feel sense 4.x will be too slow they could bring just an aosp ics rom in, add their bloatware and our phone should be up to par with many phones currently running stock ics, and probably better than some. The g2/dz are not dinosaurs and developers have proved the stability porting ics here, this would be a mistake especially if we don't have a g3 soon... I wouldn't ming changing to a new manufacture if this is the case...
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If this is the case:
ROM is "built-in" computer memory containing data that normally can only be read, not written to. ROM contains the programming that allows your computer to be "booted up" or regenerated each time you turn it on. Unlike a computer's random access memory (RAM), the data in ROM is not lost when the computer power is turned off. The ROM is sustained by a small long-life battery in your computer.
It means we will get ICS? We have 1.5GB of internal memory.
This is to my first point, its as if htc didn't edit their post
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ICS with Sense 4.0 works perfect on our desire z. it's extremly fast and optimized. but no camera drivers and sound drivers are not very good.
those new devices with ICS (one v and desire c) both have 512 mb RAM and desire c has 600 (!) mhz CPU, I will never ever buy HTC phone again. no support = no loyalty
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It means we will get ICS? We have 1.5GB of internal memory.
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U got 1.5 GB memory? I have "only" 1.1 GB, on every ROM.
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EDIT: They wrote at the down: Upgrade to Android 4.0 means Sense 3.6.
And: Sense 4.0 need special hardware ****.
xxx_1910 said:
ICS with Sense 4.0 works perfect on our desire z. it's extremly fast and optimized. but no camera drivers and sound drivers are not very good.
those new devices with ICS (one v and desire c) both have 512 mb RAM and desire c has 600 (!) mhz CPU, I will never ever buy HTC phone again. no support = no loyalty
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You need to read better.
HTC did not say that it will stop supporting these phones. they said that they will not get there ICS upgrade.
And about the Desire C and One V. Yes they are low spec phones with ICS but they have Sense 4.0, wich runs way faster then 3.6 ( wich older phones will be updated with ).
So newer phones Sense 4.0. Older phones 3.6.
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You need to read better.
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my reading is ok, don't worry dude
HTC did not say that it will stop supporting these phones. they said that they will not get there ICS upgrade.
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it doesn't matter what they say. "support" means at least time zone fix, peep updates, keyboard and other bugz fix etc. and ofcourse new OS if device is suitable. and sure it is.
And about the Desire C and One V. Yes they are low spec phones with ICS but they have Sense 4.0, wich runs way faster then 3.6 ( wich older phones will be updated with ).
So newer phones Sense 4.0. Older phones 3.6.
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so what's the point, "captain obvious"? thats what everybody was talkin about. sense 4.0 lighter, faster, better and low spec phones can easily run and use it.
Mine will
xxx_1910 said:
it doesn't matter what they say. "support" means at least time zone fix, peep updates, keyboard and other bugz fix etc. and ofcourse new OS if device is suitable. and sure it is.
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Only our device is unique in the product lineup because it has a physical keyboard. You'll see the Mytouch 4G Slide has no ICS and it also has a keyboard and is a much more a capable device.
I'd say the actual problem is the software development required to engineer Sense 4.0 to our device. We have a very custom version of Sense 2.1 that features rotating widgets and keyboard optimisations which will be the reason our updates are out of the standard cycle, we didn't get Sense 3.x and probably won't get ICS.
Its not a matter of the device suitability, its all about the Sense interface and in all honesty its not worth HTC's development as they're reportedly not producing any more QWERTY phones.
If you want ICS, you'll be going down a ported ROM route.
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Why be care so much about rom? Isn't it ram they are concerned with?
But on topic htc is making a mistake here, even if they feel sense 4.x will be too slow they could bring just an aosp ics rom in, add their bloatware and our phone should be up to par with many phones currently running stock ics, and probably better than some. The g2/dz are not dinosaurs and developers have proved the stability porting ics here, this would be a mistake especially if we don't have a g3 soon... I wouldn't ming changing to a new manufacture if this is the case...
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I already changed to Sony:
1.- Currently updating ALL their 2011 line to ICS
2.- Official bootloader unlocking tool (!!!)
3.- Light UX skin, not as heavy as Sense
4.- Xperia S offered 12 mpix Exmor-R cam and 1280x720 4.3" screen, I couldn't say no...
...and 5.- My DZ failed after 8 months of modrate use (capacitive buttons) and HTC refused to receive it for repair because I was not in the phone's country of origin (got it from an online retailer, the batch was from Bell Canada)
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U got 1.5 GB memory? I have "only" 1.1 GB, on every ROM.
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EDIT: They wrote at the down: Upgrade to Android 4.0 means Sense 3.6.
And: Sense 4.0 need special hardware ****.
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HTC G2 HBoot? (it wouldn't run Sense though)
craiglay said:
Its not a matter of the device suitability, its all about the Sense interface
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yes u are right but every custom interface (2.3.* or 4.0.*) has rotating rosie and rotating widgets (except MIUI may be), so I don't think that's a big problem for such a big company. they just don't give a **** about us
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yes u are right but every custom interface (2.3.* or 4.0.*) has rotating rosie and rotating widgets (except MIUI may be), so I don't think that's a big problem for such a big company. they just don't give a **** about us
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All companies are in this to make money, and no money is to be made updating a phone that is nearing it's two year anniversary and has been discontinued. I say it all the time to people about Android phones, you buy one for what it has right now, not what it might get in the future. The most you can expect an OEM to support you is one major OS version, and that's what we got. They want you to buy a new phone, and there is no incentive if they keep you updated.
Apple does the same thing. Sure they update phones to a better version number, but they intentionally lock older phones out of new features to get you to upgrade. The only thing they care about is getting your $, all phone manufacturers are the same. That said, Sony has been stepping up their game lately.....
But if they don't make a new generation phone compareable to the one they refuse to update many will change to a new manufacture - in this case no g3 means die hard htc fans will no longer be that
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gtrab said:
I already changed to Sony:
1.- Currently updating ALL their 2011 line to ICS
2.- Official bootloader unlocking tool (!!!)
3.- Light UX skin, not as heavy as Sense
4.- Xperia S offered 12 mpix Exmor-R cam and 1280x720 4.3" screen, I couldn't say no...
...and 5.- My DZ failed after 8 months of modrate use (capacitive buttons) and HTC refused to receive it for repair because I was not in the phone's country of origin (got it from an online retailer, the batch was from Bell Canada)
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No probs with HTC here.
My Z still stands strong. Got it since release here in Norway. Just waiting for a ICS rom w/ sense 4 that support nordic HW-buttons. No need for Sony
Nospin said:
All companies are in this to make money, and no money is to be made updating a phone that is nearing it's two year anniversary and has been discontinued. I say it all the time to people about Android phones, you buy one for what it has right now, not what it might get in the future. The most you can expect an OEM to support you is one major OS version, and that's what we got. They want you to buy a new phone, and there is no incentive if they keep you updated.
Apple does the same thing. Sure they update phones to a better version number, but they intentionally lock older phones out of new features to get you to upgrade. The only thing they care about is getting your $, all phone manufacturers are the same. That said, Sony has been stepping up their game lately.....
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my english is not good enough to write so long and correct posts, but I partially agree with u. and u have to argree that our desire z always was lagging behind. no 3.0 update, no 3.5. yes, they made 2.3.3 (2.1 Sense) update, but gingerbread release was not far away from desire z start of sales
demkantor said:
But if they don't make a new generation phone compareable to the one they refuse to update many will change to a new manufacture - in this case no g3 means die hard htc fans will no longer be that
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yep. no updates cause of market reasons and no new phone of the same type