What devices will not get Android 4.0?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB ROM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.0. These devices include the HTC ChaCha, HTC Salsa, HTC Wildfire S, HTC Explorer, and others.
HTC tablets, including the HTC Flyer, HTC EVO View 4G, and HTC Jetstream, will remain on their current Android version (Honeycomb).
Upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.0 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support as needed.
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Source: http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
No shock there. Vision owners got their Android bump from 2.2 to 2.3, they weren't going to bother with another.
Unfortunate there was no mention of the Desire HD though, want those drivers...
Edit: Nvm, July-August! Yay.
Then how come htc desire c has ice cream sandwich???
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Excuse me but isn't ROM the internal memory meaning we qualify" Or is it actually RAM? I'm confused. ROM is non-writable so it's definately not RAM...?
Why be care so much about rom? Isn't it ram they are concerned with?
But on topic htc is making a mistake here, even if they feel sense 4.x will be too slow they could bring just an aosp ics rom in, add their bloatware and our phone should be up to par with many phones currently running stock ics, and probably better than some. The g2/dz are not dinosaurs and developers have proved the stability porting ics here, this would be a mistake especially if we don't have a g3 soon... I wouldn't ming changing to a new manufacture if this is the case...
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If this is the case:
ROM is "built-in" computer memory containing data that normally can only be read, not written to. ROM contains the programming that allows your computer to be "booted up" or regenerated each time you turn it on. Unlike a computer's random access memory (RAM), the data in ROM is not lost when the computer power is turned off. The ROM is sustained by a small long-life battery in your computer.
It means we will get ICS? We have 1.5GB of internal memory.
This is to my first point, its as if htc didn't edit their post
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ICS with Sense 4.0 works perfect on our desire z. it's extremly fast and optimized. but no camera drivers and sound drivers are not very good.
those new devices with ICS (one v and desire c) both have 512 mb RAM and desire c has 600 (!) mhz CPU, I will never ever buy HTC phone again. no support = no loyalty
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It means we will get ICS? We have 1.5GB of internal memory.
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U got 1.5 GB memory? I have "only" 1.1 GB, on every ROM.
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EDIT: They wrote at the down: Upgrade to Android 4.0 means Sense 3.6.
And: Sense 4.0 need special hardware ****.
xxx_1910 said:
ICS with Sense 4.0 works perfect on our desire z. it's extremly fast and optimized. but no camera drivers and sound drivers are not very good.
those new devices with ICS (one v and desire c) both have 512 mb RAM and desire c has 600 (!) mhz CPU, I will never ever buy HTC phone again. no support = no loyalty
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You need to read better.
HTC did not say that it will stop supporting these phones. they said that they will not get there ICS upgrade.
And about the Desire C and One V. Yes they are low spec phones with ICS but they have Sense 4.0, wich runs way faster then 3.6 ( wich older phones will be updated with ).
So newer phones Sense 4.0. Older phones 3.6.
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my reading is ok, don't worry dude
HTC did not say that it will stop supporting these phones. they said that they will not get there ICS upgrade.
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it doesn't matter what they say. "support" means at least time zone fix, peep updates, keyboard and other bugz fix etc. and ofcourse new OS if device is suitable. and sure it is.
And about the Desire C and One V. Yes they are low spec phones with ICS but they have Sense 4.0, wich runs way faster then 3.6 ( wich older phones will be updated with ).
So newer phones Sense 4.0. Older phones 3.6.
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so what's the point, "captain obvious"? thats what everybody was talkin about. sense 4.0 lighter, faster, better and low spec phones can easily run and use it.
Mine will
xxx_1910 said:
it doesn't matter what they say. "support" means at least time zone fix, peep updates, keyboard and other bugz fix etc. and ofcourse new OS if device is suitable. and sure it is.
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Only our device is unique in the product lineup because it has a physical keyboard. You'll see the Mytouch 4G Slide has no ICS and it also has a keyboard and is a much more a capable device.
I'd say the actual problem is the software development required to engineer Sense 4.0 to our device. We have a very custom version of Sense 2.1 that features rotating widgets and keyboard optimisations which will be the reason our updates are out of the standard cycle, we didn't get Sense 3.x and probably won't get ICS.
Its not a matter of the device suitability, its all about the Sense interface and in all honesty its not worth HTC's development as they're reportedly not producing any more QWERTY phones.
If you want ICS, you'll be going down a ported ROM route.
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Why be care so much about rom? Isn't it ram they are concerned with?
But on topic htc is making a mistake here, even if they feel sense 4.x will be too slow they could bring just an aosp ics rom in, add their bloatware and our phone should be up to par with many phones currently running stock ics, and probably better than some. The g2/dz are not dinosaurs and developers have proved the stability porting ics here, this would be a mistake especially if we don't have a g3 soon... I wouldn't ming changing to a new manufacture if this is the case...
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I already changed to Sony:
1.- Currently updating ALL their 2011 line to ICS
2.- Official bootloader unlocking tool (!!!)
3.- Light UX skin, not as heavy as Sense
4.- Xperia S offered 12 mpix Exmor-R cam and 1280x720 4.3" screen, I couldn't say no...
...and 5.- My DZ failed after 8 months of modrate use (capacitive buttons) and HTC refused to receive it for repair because I was not in the phone's country of origin (got it from an online retailer, the batch was from Bell Canada)
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U got 1.5 GB memory? I have "only" 1.1 GB, on every ROM.
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EDIT: They wrote at the down: Upgrade to Android 4.0 means Sense 3.6.
And: Sense 4.0 need special hardware ****.
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HTC G2 HBoot? (it wouldn't run Sense though)
craiglay said:
Its not a matter of the device suitability, its all about the Sense interface
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yes u are right but every custom interface (2.3.* or 4.0.*) has rotating rosie and rotating widgets (except MIUI may be), so I don't think that's a big problem for such a big company. they just don't give a **** about us
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yes u are right but every custom interface (2.3.* or 4.0.*) has rotating rosie and rotating widgets (except MIUI may be), so I don't think that's a big problem for such a big company. they just don't give a **** about us
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All companies are in this to make money, and no money is to be made updating a phone that is nearing it's two year anniversary and has been discontinued. I say it all the time to people about Android phones, you buy one for what it has right now, not what it might get in the future. The most you can expect an OEM to support you is one major OS version, and that's what we got. They want you to buy a new phone, and there is no incentive if they keep you updated.
Apple does the same thing. Sure they update phones to a better version number, but they intentionally lock older phones out of new features to get you to upgrade. The only thing they care about is getting your $, all phone manufacturers are the same. That said, Sony has been stepping up their game lately.....
But if they don't make a new generation phone compareable to the one they refuse to update many will change to a new manufacture - in this case no g3 means die hard htc fans will no longer be that
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gtrab said:
I already changed to Sony:
1.- Currently updating ALL their 2011 line to ICS
2.- Official bootloader unlocking tool (!!!)
3.- Light UX skin, not as heavy as Sense
4.- Xperia S offered 12 mpix Exmor-R cam and 1280x720 4.3" screen, I couldn't say no...
...and 5.- My DZ failed after 8 months of modrate use (capacitive buttons) and HTC refused to receive it for repair because I was not in the phone's country of origin (got it from an online retailer, the batch was from Bell Canada)
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No probs with HTC here.
My Z still stands strong. Got it since release here in Norway. Just waiting for a ICS rom w/ sense 4 that support nordic HW-buttons. No need for Sony
Nospin said:
All companies are in this to make money, and no money is to be made updating a phone that is nearing it's two year anniversary and has been discontinued. I say it all the time to people about Android phones, you buy one for what it has right now, not what it might get in the future. The most you can expect an OEM to support you is one major OS version, and that's what we got. They want you to buy a new phone, and there is no incentive if they keep you updated.
Apple does the same thing. Sure they update phones to a better version number, but they intentionally lock older phones out of new features to get you to upgrade. The only thing they care about is getting your $, all phone manufacturers are the same. That said, Sony has been stepping up their game lately.....
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my english is not good enough to write so long and correct posts, but I partially agree with u. and u have to argree that our desire z always was lagging behind. no 3.0 update, no 3.5. yes, they made 2.3.3 (2.1 Sense) update, but gingerbread release was not far away from desire z start of sales
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yep. no updates cause of market reasons and no new phone of the same type
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Will we Legend get Android 2.2 (Froyo) update?
Here are the platform highlights. very good improvements
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
Latest news from HTC (thanks to Iryia ) :
Iryia said:
Hi guys,
I just received a reply from HTC..
"Good Morning Thank you for contacting HTC At the moment we dont have official date of the relase for the new update but it is suitable for your device and soon or later it will be relased for Legend Regards Piotr HTC "
At least some good news..
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Yes, we will, its just a question of when!
HTC will have to apply their 'modifications' to it, i.e. Sense.
Then if yours is network branded, you have to wait until your network make it available to you, after they've made their changes!
Unless of course you've rooted, which case you should be able to apply a fresh ROM whenever it is made available.
I believe the above is correct, am sure someone will correct me if needed.
What I'm wondering is will FROYO make a different to the speed of the Legend? There are many reports online about how FROYO will make the Nexus One and Desire up to 300% faster due to the JIT Compiler (and other stuff?) ...but is this potential speed benefit applicable to the Legend?
I really really hope so...
c_man said:
Yes, we will, its just a question of when!
HTC will have to apply their 'modifications' to it, i.e. Sense.
Then if yours is network branded, you have to wait until your network make it available to you, after they've made their changes!
Unless of course you've rooted, which case you should be able to apply a fresh ROM whenever it is made available.
I believe the above is correct, am sure someone will correct me if needed.
What I'm wondering is will FROYO make a different to the speed of the Legend? There are many reports online about how FROYO will make the Nexus One and Desire up to 300% faster due to the JIT Compiler (and other stuff?) ...but is this potential speed benefit applicable to the Legend?
I really really hope so...
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HTC LEGEND is not getting 2.2 Update in 2010.
Source -->>URL product-reviews.net/2010/05/21/android-2-2-froyo-no-update-to-htc-hero-legend-and-droid-eris-phones
Following on from our previous article, which informed you about HTC’s plans to update their smartphones to the latest version of Android OS (2.2 Froyo), it seems that HTC deliberately left a few handset names off their initial upgrade list.
HTC issued a fresh statement, in which they detailed a few handsets that will be receiving the update to Android 2.2 first. These included the HTC Incredible, MyTouch 3G, HTC Desire and the HTC EVO 4G smartphone.
Does this mean that handsets such as the HTC Hero, Legend and Droid Eris will not be getting the update to 2.2 Froyo? We can understand the Hero and Droid Eris not being included on the list, since they were released a while ago now, but what about the HTC Legend?
The Legend was available after the HTC Desire, so it seems slightly odd that the statement from HTC didn’t include the handset on the list. Maybe it was just a bad choice of wording. Hopefully HTC will clear this up for us soon – we’ll update you when we can.
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HTC Legend probably get Android 2.2 (FROYO) update because is launched this year,see here:
http://www.androidcentral.com/most-2010-htc-android-phones-will-get-froyo-2010
I really hope it does get updated, the whole reason I upgraded to legend and not desire was A. the industrial design of the phone, and B. sick of waiting around for 2.1 GSM hero update so gave the hero to GF.
Even after this statement im seeing a pattern here with HTC not clearly being able to state weather or not brand new phones will receive an update, or hell even when (2nd half of 2010 can mean December). If it does turn out our Legends dont get 2.2 I'm gonna stick with vanilla android experience on an unlocked N1, or hopefully N2.
I dont think that HTC will update Legend to 2.2.
Considering its RAM and processor Legend is behind from N1 and Desire or incredible.
Even i have Legend and its utterly dissapointing from the side of HTC to ignore such a high profile handset from new update.I ll never buy any handset from HTC now onwards.
F*** u HTC......
Froyo for Legend
I bought the legend some time ago. It would be a major dissappointment if HTC doesn`t create an update for it...let`s be realistic the amount of work they have to do once they change stuff to work on the Desire should be fairly minimal. Also I don`t think that the HW of Legend is not good enough to run Froyo (from what I`ve heart all devices should see a performance boost and the ROM itself should be smaller). Anyway we`ll see how it goes ). Worst case is that everybody will root their legends and flash it over and over again with unstable roms until it becomes an aluminium brick going back to HTC for replacement )
tbh if the mytouch slide is getting update i see no reason why they shouldn't update the legend either
the my touch has :
320x480 screen
600mhz cpu (same as legend i believe)
387mb ram
512mb rom
so spec wise its very similar to legend so its got nothing to do with the lack of snapdragon or screen res.
and tbh all devices even 1st gen should get an update for 1 very big reason JIT!
it will make everything faster.
really there is no reason not to update the legend
if all of us email them they might give an update let the legend 2.2 outcry begin!
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tbh if the mytouch slide is getting update i see no reason why they shouldn't update the legend either
the my touch has :
320x480 screen
600mhz cpu (same as legend i believe)
387mb ram
512mb rom
so spec wise its very similar to legend so its got nothing to do with the lack of snapdragon or screen res.
and tbh all devices even 1st gen should get an update for 1 very big reason JIT!
it will make everything faster.
really there is no reason not to update the legend
if all of us email them they might give an update let the legend 2.2 outcry begin!
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However that phone has the Espresso ver of Sense not the reg one.
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However that phone has the Espresso ver of Sense not the reg one.
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why should the sense version matter ? either way they have to update sense on all the models to support the new 2.2 features for example why not just resize the desire one which is essentially the same as the legend minus the live wallpaper support
either way im sure 2.2 will popup in other non official roms
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However that phone has the Espresso ver of Sense not the reg one.
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people forget about the specs these are not comparable to win xp & then vista & then win 7, these are not resource hungry, I reckon its handset selling gimmicks of HTC, i have fallen victim to it; i have sold my hero & bought LEGEND; now i suppose history is going to repeat itself on legend. this time wait is going to be for FROYO.
New article found now:
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/33238/htc-phones-android-os-updates
i think we have update
Pff I bought the Legend in stead of the desire because I thought it would have better support on forums and from HTC (since it was the succesor to Hero) bad mistake, really hope we get the update, but I'm not really counting on it.
There is no reason why Legend shouldn't get the update...the specs are surelly enought. No need to panic guys....i mean even if there will be no official rom with 2.2 rom (which i trully doubt) there will be plenty of rooted roms available.
Let's just wait and see.
just wait n watch what HTC does. If they release 2.2 for Legend then is well gud otherwise HTC will loose its credibility..........
Update to froyo for htc legend is clearly 100% sure come on guys! It's sure because it's a phone tha has 2-3 months of life! It's sure htc will update it. The problem is when...even if I don't understand where is the difficulty to upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2, it seems very simple, in fact google will update n1 in the next 2 weeks...I don't think the senseUI is so hard to update, considering that this upgrade is not revolutionary! The very cool features of froyo are simple to add to a device working on 2.1. So HTC move your ass and make this upgrade available for max september. If we will not have the upgrade for september will be really bad for a company like HTC that wants to fight against apple. So please make your engineers work hard to give us this upgrade quickly, considering it's also quite simple to do it.
you are absolutely right mate. legend has the power to run it. also Froyo has been built for more speed and stability. So unless HTC dont want to upgrade it for its marketing reasons, we ll have Froyo running on our legends.
nickporwal said:
you are absolutely right mate. legend has the power to run it. also Froyo has been built for more speed and stability. So unless HTC dont want to upgrade it for its marketing reasons, we ll have Froyo running on our legends.
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I had a diamond 2 before the legend, and ii OS was windows mobile 6.1. HTC made available the 6.5 upgrade for free, so I can't imagine this time will do different. So it's only matter of time, and we all hope max 2-3 months from now it's enough.
Froyo (pre-rooted) out for the Nexus
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686631
This german article says:
Legend will get the 2.2 update.
"in the second half 2010"
With Android 2.3 Gingerbread due out before the end of the year. How long do you think it will take HTC to push out the upgrade ?
IMO HTC are not the fastest of companies to update their OS the latest google offerings.
The new Samsung is rumored to be running 2.3 out of the box.
Whats your thoughts ?
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With Android 2.3 Gingerbread due out before the end of the year. How long do you think it will take HTC to push out the upgrade ?
IMO HTC are not the fastest of companies to update their OS the latest google offerings.
The new Samsung is rumored to be running 2.3 out of the box.
Whats your thoughts ?
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2-3 months maybe according to what happened to the desire.. that new samsung is AOSP based isnt it.. not touchwiz, lets see when Galaxy S will be getting gingerbread officially
IMO HTC are not the fastest of companies to update their OS the latest google offerings.
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absolutely agreed they build really cool phones, but they are indeed not famous for software updates...
2-3 months maybe according to what happened to the desire..
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when I see that my working colleagues with a HTC legend are still on android 2.1 I doubt a software update in the first year... :\ Although DHD may be (one of their) top phones. But lets hope HTC improves on that, I would even pay for Android version upgrades...
Isn't Gingerbread rumoured not suppose to allow for any overlays.? If so then I doubt it will come to the DHD.
in my experience owning HTC handsets with sense, there will only be 1 update during the life time of the gadget. being 2.3 or 3.0, don't expect it to be any time soon, especially when current DHD is not every widely available yet.
I say 6-8 month at least.
Its one annoying aspect of owning HTC sense phone, they are not a software specialist.
However, the fact that Samsung is getting Nexus Two with Gingerbread probably means HTC is under pressure to have at least one cracking phone with 2.3. We can only wait and see if they choose to update DHD or launch a new line.
Really hated Galaxy S and gutted that's what the Nexus Two will be based on
People always say HTC isn't the best with updates... but who is, aside from google with the nexus one?
I agree no one is quick in getting software updates so no reason to just slag off HTC.
I really hope HTC don't take too long. But then again i plan on rooting and loading a custom gingerbread rom, stock of course. Now about that root...
SupremeBeaver said:
I really hope HTC don't take too long. But then again i plan on rooting and loading a custom gingerbread rom, stock of course. Now about that root...
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hehehe what about having the phone first
you might do what i'm plaining to do http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8911576#post8911576
riz157 said:
I agree no one is quick in getting software updates so no reason to just slag off HTC.
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I have to diagree.
HTC is the first and biggest androids producer. They made Nexus One which is great when it comes to software support. If anyone they should be setting the standard not dragging the progress. They said it themselves that they wanted to benefit from the "Google Experience", and frankly speaking they are the last brand on earth to have excuses for not keeping up with android progress.
wendy75 said:
Isn't Gingerbread rumoured not suppose to allow for any overlays.? If so then I doubt it will come to the DHD.
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That doesnt make any sense the os is supposed to be free to anyone to use any overlay or luncher they want to use
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I ve heard the same thing as well. supposed to be one of google's way to resolve the OS fragmentation problem. However I heard that's going to happen in Honeycomb, not Gingerbread.
cezent said:
I ve heard the same thing as well. supposed to be one of google's way to resolve the OS fragmentation problem. However I heard that's going to happen in Honeycomb, not Gingerbread.
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ooh interesting, that would be stir things up a bit becuase that would mean if samsungs phones are the same as htc (software), then they have to either battle on hardware or price
but no sense
wendy75 said:
Isn't Gingerbread rumoured not suppose to allow for any overlays.? If so then I doubt it will come to the DHD.
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It's a debunked rumor. AOSP interface has barely changed with Android 2.3
My guess is 2-3 months, One of the reasons I chose HTC was because they are among the fastest to update ( I love Sense ). Samsung just started rolling 2.2 out, Sony Ericsson haven't even updated to 2.2, Sony Ericsson getting 2.1 this weekend..
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My guess is 2-3 months, One of the reasons I chose HTC was because they are among the fastest to update ( I love Sense ). Samsung just started rolling 2.2 out, Sony Ericsson haven't even updated to 2.2, Sony Ericsson getting 2.1 this weekend..
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I ll bet £50 it ll take more than 3 months, any taker?
It took HTC 8 month to update Hero.
cezent said:
I ll bet £50 it ll take more than 3 months, any taker?
It took HTC 8 month to update Hero.
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Yes,but then again,the Hero was an old,outdated device then.Desire had already come out and there were many better devices out there.Remember that the Desire was one of the first phones to get Froyo(I think second after the Nexus One).Don't be so sure it will take much time...
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Yes,but then again,the Hero was an old,outdated device then.Desire had already come out and there were many better devices out there.Remember that the Desire was one of the first phones to get Froyo(I think second after the Nexus One).Don't be so sure it will take much time...
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I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but my point being people buying DHD shouldn't put too much hope in getting gingerbread immediately. DHD hardware is superb and the sense overlay on 2.2 has got lots of great features, and its probably just a matter of time before DHD get rooted and 2.3 be ported over anyway.
I f none of these matters as much as getting 2.3 straightaway, hold on for a couple more weeks and get the Nexus Two is probably a better idea(and wear the pain of a samsung phone, I m not falling for that again)
if i recall gingerbread was roughly estimated for december/janurary
thought there were still issues with oracle and google over android using dalvik vm?so I thought, yes me only- not starting a rumor- that that might have delayed it as dalvik is part of java and ISN'T open source?
anyways your device doesnt get 1 update only
look at the mytouch 3g? had android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.2 3 upgradeds in its life?
now look at the desire, htc call it a high end product. it was on 2.1 is running 2.2 and will definately get gingerbread when it comes out, but no time scale will be given for that.
HTC are better then any company in giving updates if anything compared to other companies.
when an company decides to put its own overlay is when things get delayed. if they keep it vanilla releases would be quick and easy, but how do you make your device unique? what features do you add to make you stand out the crowd?
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if i recall gingerbread was roughly estimated for december/janurary
thought there were still issues with oracle and google over android using dalvik vm?so I thought, yes me only- not starting a rumor- that that might have delayed it as dalvik is part of java and ISN'T open source?
anyways your device doesnt get 1 update only
look at the mytouch 3g? had android 1.5, 1.6 and 2.2 3 upgradeds in its life?
now look at the desire, htc call it a high end product. it was on 2.1 is running 2.2 and will definately get gingerbread when it comes out, but no time scale will be given for that.
HTC are better then any company in giving updates if anything compared to other companies.
when an company decides to put its own overlay is when things get delayed. if they keep it vanilla releases would be quick and easy, but how do you make your device unique? what features do you add to make you stand out the crowd?
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You're the man!
Do you think HTC will have any plans to update the DHD after gingerbread?
Is it planning to backport some features of Sense 3.0?
Do you think they ever plan to support the DHD when Icecream comes out?
I know they've been pretty good to us so far, but I'm not sure about much updates after GB.... what's your opinion?
Last night i got downloaded 2.3.3. Android for my DHD, but I don't think so that they will release updates anymore
Custom is best solution, just waiting for my waranty expires, and custom ROM here we go
Sense 3.0 is for dual-core as I heard
na they most probably will make an update. On Twitter they said that some components will be given to the desire hd but not all of it ... and im guessing that going to be htc sense 2.5 or 2.2 (whatever they want to call it) but im quite positive they'll release an update since everyone got mad about it not coming to previous phones.
whether its just a sense update or a system update, i expect an update to be released
I fully expect the first official gingerbread DHD rom to be the last.
As much as I hate it, it is the same marketing strategy that all the phone manufacturers seem to employ. New features require a new phone
They all see it as money wasted as the operators are shoving phones down peoples necks at a phenomenal rate.
I am still happy after one day with ginger, so I will start thinking about this around june.
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Don't dream friends. There is too many ads, pics and reviews over web, HTC can't alter ui soo much.
krogoth said:
Don't dream friends. There is too many ads, pics and reviews over web, HTC can't alter ui soo much.
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Mate, I think they definitely can.
It's true HTC has claimed to continue their support Update-wise for DHD, their ex-flagship model, with part of sense 3.0 (EVO 3D, Sensation) but my view is that, firstly, it will take forever, not because the developers of the manufacturers are weak by any means, rather cause they will always keep delaying updates for older phones (older = 3 months old + btw, its getting ridiculous..) for marketing purposes, and secondly, it will be so minor contrary to the actual full sense 3.0, that it 'll only be a tease to enforce the need to buy the Sensation, or any model to come after that during Q3/Q4 2011.
Sad, but true.
Good news about what HTC confirmed port some components from SENSE 3.0 to DHD
Any official info about that?
HTC have proven that they will listen to the community by announcing future unlocked bootloaders.
Having just had a play with a Sensation I do like the look and operation of Sense 3.0. I know there are custom Roms ported from 3.0 but what I really want is an official upgrade. My DesireHD is plenty fast enough at the moment so I don't want to shell out big money for a dual core handset just to get Sense 3.0.
So perhaps HTC could prove they love us for more than 6 months (normal product cycle) by producing a Sense 3.0 for their handsets that are up to it AND unlock the bootloader at the same time. If enough people think so maybe just maybe we will be heard.
They already stated that they wouldn't be providing any sense 2.1 handsets with a sense 3.0 upgrade.
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Apparently its down to performance issues. I'm nit finding a huge difference between the two myself in terms of non bling features.
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We'll see once the sdk is out.
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dingbatt said:
. I know there are custom Roms ported from 3.0 but what I really want is an official upgrade.
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Having seen the hash that has been made of the latest 2.3.3 update why on earth would you want the official over a tweaked custom ROM?
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We'll see once the sdk is out.
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I agree .. I would go so far as to say that our developers at xda will probably do a better job than htc on sense 3.0 when the sdk comes out
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They already stated that they wouldn't be providing any sense 2.1 handsets with a sense 3.0 upgrade.
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They also locked the bootloaders. And said no GB for the Desire. If enough customers want it and make it known, then maybe they could spare someone to produce a port of 3.0 for the lower res screens.
My OTA update to 2.3.3 and Sense 2.1 went without a hitch (so far so good).
I had fun trying all sorts of ROMs on my Hero (and still do) but the DesireHD is 'mission critical' and I need it to all work all the time. I am in awe of the skills of the ROM cooks but sometimes the product still comes out half baked.
HTC will *NOT* sacrifice user experience for new features (if any). Don't forget that Sense 3.0 came with the dual core Sensation. Yes, it can be made to work good-ish but you'll never see HTC overclocking their phones. Unlocking the bootloader does no damage to HTC (especially if it voids the warranty) so they did it. This has nothing to do with Sense 3.0 - we are more likely in the position of the Desire users: GB can run on their phones but it doesn't meet the performance standards of HTC. So no official GB for them... and no Sense 3.0 for us...
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They also locked the bootloaders. And said no GB for the Desire. If enough customers want it and make it known, then maybe they could spare someone to produce a port of 3.0 for the lower res screens.
My OTA update to 2.3.3 and Sense 2.1 went without a hitch (so far so good).
I had fun trying all sorts of ROMs on my Hero (and still do) but the DesireHD is 'mission critical' and I need it to all work all the time. I am in awe of the skills of the ROM cooks but sometimes the product still comes out half baked.
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Half baked you said.There are more than 8 stable, more faster and smoother roms for DHD here including 2 powerful roms with full sense 3.0 support. Check the threads, hardly a discussion about a bug anymore just themes, rosie and what not.
Believe me they are far more superior to what Htc had to offer.
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i like the sense roms here but i had a problem with virtuous unity rom really liked it aswell.
Guys both virtuous unity and rcmix are fantastic 3.0 ports!! Try them..out devs are more talented than HTCs I have to say who thought it wasnt possible officially!
no chance
nochance of that happening as the first poster said, im currently using RcMix3D 1.9 which the dark v3 patch which is sense 3.0 and its wikked i love it, ive tried all the roms on here and this is the best
recently i bought dhd unfortunately by mistake up dated the machine, now i can not go for sense 3.0. a,m about to got rid of the machine if will remain on sense 2
any help from XDA .
I think its HTC marketing strategy. They may think that now one would buy the Sensation or Evo 3d if some of the older Phones had 3.0.
But if you watch the videos how poorly Sense 3.0 runs on the Sensation maybe their honest with the performance and they can´t make a smooth runnig Sense 3.0 update for the DHD.
Don´t know wich is worse but you´ll have to flash a custom rom if you want Sense 3.0.
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recently i bought dhd unfortunately by mistake up dated the machine, now i can not go for sense 3.0. a,m about to got rid of the machine if will remain on sense 2
any help from XDA .
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New build can now be downgraded mate It's found in the dev section
Seriously you don't want 3.0 I bought the sensation and have had 3 of them , they suffer from heat problems and sense 3 is so laggy. IM that disappointed that the phone its so slow I've bought a dhd and to be honest its quicker, cooler and far superior ...
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how to downgrade
thats funny ive been using 3.0 on my dhd for ages now and had no lags, here is the downgrade page http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003
I've tried the sense 3 Roms and while there are aspects of them that I like, i prefer CM7 for it's speed and flexibility, not missing sense at the moment
Duncan
I have to say that the ability and feeling with sense 3.0 is much better. but that's my personly view - everyone prefers stuff himself.
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I have to say that the ability and feeling with sense 3.0 is much better. but that's my personly view - everyone prefers stuff himself.
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True. Everyone has his own feel over how thinks should work. I had the chance to buy a brand new Sensation, so I decided to compare it with my DHD running LeeDroid with Sense 3.0 port. Can You guess which one is laggier and slower? Surprise, surprise it's the Sensation. Even though the CPU is 0,2 GHz faster and a dual core, it seems as if the two cores are not syncronised and do not use the RAM in the best possible way. Sure for multithreaded apps the Sensation is faster, but how many of those are out there? And the heat. They say DHD has a overheating problem... Try using a Sensation or a SGS II for more than 30 minutes. They'll burn your hand I bet the next HTC will be 1,5 GHz and will be called the Untouchable (LMAO)
HTC didn't announce ICS update, despite its brothers getting it.
We assumed it was hardware limitations with the smaller RAM (512mb)
But now HTC have announced the new HTC One V with ICS and Sense 3.6/4.0.
And guess what? It only has 512mb aswell.
So RAM can't be the issue. Maybe CPU power?
Go pester HTC on Twitter/Facebook now for your update!
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HTC didn't announce ICS update, despite its brothers getting it.
We assumed it was hardware limitations with the smaller RAM (512mb)
But now HTC have announced the new HTC One V with ICS and Sense 3.6/4.0.
And guess what? It only has 512mb aswell.
So RAM can't be the issue. Maybe CPU power?
Go pester HTC on Twitter/Facebook now for your update!
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The issue is that HTC has A LOT of phones. The Desire Z has already received a major Android update. It is not a flagship phone, nor a big seller.
Or in short....$$$$$$$$.
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The issue is that HTC has A LOT of phones. The Desire Z has already received a major Android update. It is not a flagship phone, nor a big seller.
Or in short....$$$$$$$$.
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True, but the Desire Hd (released at the same time) is getting the update.
And that phine hasn't just had one, or two or three major updates....
It's had FOUR MAJOR OS UPDATES.
that beats Apple with their iPhone 3gs.
It's gone from 2.2 all the way to 4.0 with numerous huge sense upgrades.
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The issue is that HTC has A LOT of phones. The Desire Z has already received a major Android update. It is not a flagship phone, nor a big seller.
Or in short....$$$$$$$$.
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I think Nospin is right; commitment to the development of Android varies among different manufacturers. Commitment to profit does not. There is limited upside to them providing an upgrade. Chances are, we'll still purchase the next HTC phone when we get the money and/or discounted price with contract from our carriers, despite them choosing not to upgrade our phones. In other words, why provide us with an additional free service, when they're going to get our money in the future anyway. In fact, providing the upgrade might *deter* us from buying their latest and greatest.
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True, but the Desire Hd (released at the same time) is getting the update.
And that phine hasn't just had one, or two or three major updates....
It's had FOUR MAJOR OS UPDATES.
that beats Apple with their iPhone 3gs.
It's gone from 2.2 all the way to 4.0 with numerous huge sense upgrades.
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That's cause the Desire HD IS a flagship device.
But I hope so, we will get custom ICS from HTC ONE V. I think it will be brilliant
I don't think the desire z will get a OTA update either. I think they plan it this way so that we have to upgrade and won't be content on sticking it out with our old devices. Either way the desire z will get ICS from cm9 most likely. It's taken longer then I wanted but I know it's in the works.
Just use Andromadus. I know it's not official, but you can rock it now. Which counts for a lot.
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what my opinion is that HTC released the sense 3 OTA to make people either root, or upgrade.. my guess is that HTC will never release any OTA anymore
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If this was Samsung, then I would agree with the Desire Z getting ICS. However HTC has already given us an unlocked bootloader as well as the source code for the Desire Z. There's no need for HTC to get involved anymore. This is exactly why places like XDA are important to the rest of us who "knows" our devices are still kicking strong because then we can just do the work ourselves. And besides, even if Desire Z does get an ICS update: the majority of us will still prefer Custom ROMs anyways. This way, everybody wins. HTC maintains a healthy reputation with us and we get to save some money.
heh, by "we", I mean the talented devs that still support our devices. I'm personally useless.
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If this was Samsung, then I would agree with the Desire Z getting ICS. However HTC has already given us an unlocked bootloader as well as the source code for the Desire Z. There's no need for HTC to get involved anymore. This is exactly why places like XDA are important to the rest of us who "knows" our devices are still kicking strong because then we can just do the work ourselves. And besides, even if Desire Z does get an ICS update: the majority of us will still prefer Custom ROMs anyways. This way, everybody wins. HTC maintains a healthy reputation with us and we get to save some money.
heh, by "we", I mean the talented devs that still support our devices. I'm personally useless.
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I agree, I think there would be two benefits of having ICS come officially to Desire Z / G2. First would be that that ROM would be a lot easier to modify and tinker with by the dev's then what they are working with currently. The second benefit would be in the form of less people asking for eta's on cm9. I would rather use a custom version of a rom than a stock rom, but the same doesn't go for everybody. I bet a lot of the traffic on xda is people just wanting ICS on their device period.
I can't wait when HTC relase HTC One V I think, we will get ICS with sense 4.0 with out of problems
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I can't wait when HTC relase HTC One V I think, we will get ICS with sense 4.0 with out of problems
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But the camera driver for ICS issue remains... This is the "problem".
Here's how you can help with getting a camera source/driver from HTC email them asking for one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1425324
Mayb we can get this link in the 1st post?
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But the camera driver for ICS issue remains... This is the "problem".
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Its always hard to find out the type of camera is on what phone.. the only thing i could find for the One V camera is that it is also a 5MP camera. (Secretly hoping it has the same sensors as ours )
Anyways to get back on the ICS for DZ. I still would like to have it for this phone only because it will have a rotating launcher..
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johrie said:
Its always hard to find out the type of camera is on what phone.. the only thing i could find for the One V camera is that it is also a 5MP camera. (Secretly hoping it has the same sensors as ours )
Anyways to get back on the ICS for DZ. I still would like to have it for this phone only because it will have a rotating launcher..
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Wasn't HTC saying that they're using some kind of new "imaging chip" for enhancing their photos with their new lineup?
Also, did the Desire Z ever get an update to Sense 3.0?
magic_android said:
Wasn't HTC saying that they're using some kind of new "imaging chip" for enhancing their photos with their new lineup?
Also, did the Desire Z ever get an update to Sense 3.0?
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I dont know about the imaging chip i read something about the picture quality being better but not really looked in it very much xd
And no, the Desire Z never got that update. My quess it that is was to memory hungry so they wont update it. But maybe we will get lucky on this one. You'll never know
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But the camera driver for ICS issue remains... This is the "problem".
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ICS is coming to both the Desire HD and Desire S, both of which use the same chipset (including camera chip) as our phone. So the problem should be solved soon (One V probably won't be out much sooner, if at all).
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
If some developer port kernel from desire hd then probably we will have full working ICS with sense ui. Port from Desire HD is easy.
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ICS is coming to both the Desire HD and Desire S, both of which use the same chipset (including camera chip) as our phone. So the problem should be solved soon (One V probably won't be out much sooner, if at all).
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.
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Hum, that's good!