Okay, others have asked prime or hercules, and my real question that would determine which I choose.. our vibrants had REAL potential. No less than the new phone should have, just lesser hardware. All of the sgs1 us versions seem to have no support or updates except what you find on here(after a few months).
Will the hercules have the same fate? Is there any reason to believe they won't do the same thing again? I don't want to spend another 500+ on a device they forget about a few months after they release it. Would you take the chance seeing their track record with our phone and variants?
The most odd thing is that the international versions seem to be better supported(the i9100 more than i9000), so is the problem that they don't want to waste their resources keeping 4 different models of the phone updated in the US? And could they possibly keep the hardware on the us variants close enough spec wise that they could work on an upgrade for all versions, and just tweak each for specific devices?
I know there are no solid answers out there, but I am more wondering what the community here thinks.
Most likely not this happened do to the SGS4G came out if something similar happens again but you know that is why there is xda an the cyanogen team so don't worry
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Not sure what the guy above wrote, but yes it will happen again. I dont think its sammys fault completly. More so the US carriers. My next phone will either be a nexus/htc/motoroogle.
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Yes it will most likely happen again. It's the carrier's business model. They want you to shell out the money to buy the newer phone so they only support the older model for so long. Get a Nexus phone if you want updates faster.
From what I have read this far the sg2 will be replaced by the sg2 plus to match the nexus prime's screen resolution. Because of that fact I will not buy sg2 as well the nexus phone will be the last sammy phone because google just acquired motorola. So the next google phone will be a motorola.
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Yes it will most likely happen again. It's the carrier's business model. They want you to shell out the money to buy the newer phone so they only support the older model for so long. Get a Nexus phone if you want updates faster.
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Well the nexus got updates quicker and I constantly see(via news readers) most phones getting updates regardless of carrier.
What the jasonhunterx said(that I could understand) about having xda or cyanogen is opposite of ideal.. where would our devices be if we got a source from Samsung for gingerbread? Miles ahead, everything working, less headaches for developers and users..
But I don't see this as something the carrier is responsible for unless the manufacturer made an agreement with them, which would border on crooked.
I would have bought the sgs2 if it wasn't with att bands.. and there's no promise that the prime will be offeres as a T-Mobile phone.
If the prime doesn't hit T-Mobile and the Hercules is doomed to make the same mistakes, what phone would you get to stay with tmo? Is there an international phone that has the right bands and can compare to sgs2, Hercules, or prime?
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Yes it WILL happen. The right thing to do is just buy a nexus phone.
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Yes it WILL happen. The right thing to do is just buy a nexus phone.
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And if Samsung makes the prime? Or if tmo doesn't get the prime? That is the question.
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I believe that the Hercules will have much better support. In my opinion, just like the second poster said, they stopped supporting the vibrant because tmo launched its new "4g" service not too long after the vibrant dropped. So unless 5g comes out a week after the Hercules, I don't think we should have anything to worry about. I hope.......
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Of course its going to happen.
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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Yes 2.2 for vibrant is stable but there are some Apps that can only be use when you're using gingerbread.
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Yes 2.2 for vibrant is stable but there are some Apps that can only be use when you're using gingerbread.
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There's like 2 of those
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Here is a position I just don't understand. I won't call it whining. Lets say the constant negative portrayal of the Galaxy S line, Samsung, and every other phone manufacturer at one time or another as not supporting or updating their software often enough.
If you look at it objectively, does the Vibrant really need an update? It came out with Eclair. Then came the upgrade to Froyo, which raised Quadrant scores (if you care about that sort of thing) four fold. Finally, the incremental upgrades through Froyo from J all the way to KB5. KB5 is rock-solid stable and fast in its stock form, and even better when customized.
So why all the complaining? The phone is fast and stable. I don't hear anyone complaining about Team Whiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 even though they haven't updated it in many months. Why? Because it's fine as is. So, in my opinion, is the Vibrant.
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There are phones running 1.5 stable, but that isn't a reason it shouldn't be upgraded to whatever it can run. Take the Motorola droid. I have no idea what they updated to, but the og droid has run cyanogen stable far before our vibrant could run it at all. It is a solid phone, and wasn't "discarded" by the manufacturer soon after the release. They did a good job I heard.
The sgs1 branded phone is capable of more than the current generation of android. The iphone, with all the things I don't like about the way they do their phones, supports multiple generations of their products for multiple years. Our phones shouldn't be 2 generations of os behind with no real hope of an upgrade within a year of coming out.
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pretty sure yes, so if u want a SGS II get the "international' version
for me NO MORE US VERSION of any Samsung phone
I think the Hercules will be the lower of the other sgs2 variants nothing will be easy just as the vibrant was full of great dev but nothing to work with but the same stuff. GB has came a long way we thought that was going to be a easy port, lol I really hope they at least get the gps right on the sgs2 this run. End of rant ;-)
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I say look at track record.
Behold->Vibrant-> hercules. It just goes to show, if you want something done, you just have to do it yourself. I mean really, I just rooted lg vortex, from two years ago that had 2.2.2
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I say look at track record.
Behold->Vibrant-> hercules. It just goes to show, if you want something done, you just have to do it yourself. I mean really, I just rooted lg vortex, from two years ago that had 2.2.2
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2nd this. Same ol from Samsung/T-Mobile. Going HTC prime or iphone next round.
Yes i am quite sure that these phones will not get the support that the unbranded version will get...
A company like Apple has a tough time supporting a couple of devices then just imagine how difficult it is for samsung to provide great support for the 50-60 phones it dishes out every year
No support for Hercules. It's Vibrant/Galaxy S 1 all over again. Each of the carriers releasing a different variant of a phone that was released months ago in Europe. You'd be crazy to buy a Hercules or other SGS2 phone. Just what was the reason for the delay? Carrier customizations, more than likely. And the fact that it took them so long to release the US variants does not speak well for future updates.
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This isn't a rant or anything, or I won't try to make it one. But I just came across on Android Central that the Droid is getting 2.2.1.
Now this is just so depressing already that we have a phone that's been out for about 5 months now and haven't seen Froyo (only in Unoffical leaked builds). The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
I'm just saying, this just makes Samsung look that much worse.
http://www.androidcentral.com/leaked-android-221-motorola-droid-frg83
so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.
The leaked FroYo build is knocking my socks off...
Just sayin'
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so you complain about our leaked ROMs by posting about another phones LEAKED ROM?
Dude... just flash froyo. They are daily drivers and quit posting the same stuff.
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I didn't mean to bash or knock it. There's nothing wrong with the builds, it'd be nice to have an official build though I guess..
Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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K, I'm done.
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The Droid has been out far longer, I know that. But Samsung is really dragging their feet. Froyo offically, when it comes out, better knock our ****ing socks off or it was a waste of time to wait for them to deliver.
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There's really no debate that Samsung is WAY behind here. Yes. the Droid has been out way longer, but the Incredible and Droid X haven't and they've gotten Froyo a long time ago. Incredible got it around 8/30 and X around 9/21.
Assuming that Samsung does get it out this year, that puts them anywhere from 2-4 months behind the competition, depending on when they do finally release it.
That's really bad. Sure they didn't promise 2.2 at any particular time, but that doesn't mean I don't factor it in when making my next phone purchase. I hope everyone does. If not, it'll give the manufactures even more reason to withhold updates in the future and try to push new phones instead.
Just heard from Cyanogen's twitter that CM6 is finished for the G2. I'm sure the new my touch isn't far behind.
Depressing
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Okay, but is it not ironic you started your non-rant post stating that the Droid was getting 2.1.1 and how it looks bad for Samsung, but you completely ignored the fact it ALSO was a leaked build?
Just let it die..
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Yeah, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that the Droid already HAS an official Froyo, and the leaked build is a second generation update.
The Vibrant does NOT have an official build, and the way it's going, the Droid X may have Gingerbread before we get an official Froyo build.
How can you even begin to defend Samsung?
Yes, it is "just" another Froyo post. +1 Ignore!
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Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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Geez, people, of course Samsung is going to be behind. Motorola's and HTC's phones all have the same OMAP and Snapdragon cores they've used from the first Droid and Nexus One. No wonder they've all gone to Froyo before Samsung.
How many phones used the Hummingbird before the Galaxy S line? None. But I'll bet you that future updates will come faster now they've got Froyo figured out.
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LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.
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LOL....
Strange reasoning, since Samsung developed the chip themselves, so they should know it better. Plus, they've had a long time to figure Froyo out. And still haven't, officially.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
Only thing wrong with these threads is they are always full of hearsay. Rarely anyone states fact, just opinion. Who says sammy is holding it back? The leak came from tmo right? this pessimistic view is what makes ppl always have that "omg I have froyo & I hate it, its not perfect.... I want gingerbread" mentality. Life lesson, you'll never be happy with this attitude.
I, myself, try to look at the recent events of the "rumoured nexus s" that engadget posted pics. If this does happen to grace the GS community think of how fast, far, & easily we may make it to 2.3! Im no tech & I may be way off, but id like to think that this would give us the OPEN "NEXUS" development base we'd need to achieve that level of vanilla android base w/ drivers, code & hopefully working gps ;j (minus the new chipset, obviously).
Just be glad that we do have devs who do what they can & hope that sammy doesn't do anything else to screw us. I will be hoping (but not holding my breathe) for a nexus $ gingerbread port.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Exactly. Remember that Froyo was actually built for the Snapdragon, whereas most of the GS hardware is unlike that seen in other previous phones.
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Designing the chip and modifying the software to work with the hardware are two different things. Just because you know the hardware, doesn't mean it's easy to make the software work with it nicely.
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Apple doesn't seem to have any problems with doing this. Samsung is way bigger. They should have their crap together
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Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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How come none of the people that rant about not having an official Froyo release remember that 1. we have they best hardware of any phone out, I can't recall how many times I've heard owners of other phones complain that they've run out of room for their apps because they only have 2gb internal storage, and 2. this site is XDA Developers not XDA stock software release news. If you want to rant about the official release go over to the T-Mobile or Samsung forums and do it.
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Yey but we get to modify the crap out of one of the fastest phones with one of the best screens, and do whatever we want with it, thanks to some great sharing devs, to a device that's almost un- brickable.
Now thats fun!
Apple crapple, great form and simply reliable yet unbendable device to buy all things Apple dollars via only iTunes. No thanks. I'll take what Samsung doesn't have together.
Yes I've complained before but now I have learned a bit more and I have Froyo.
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The devs have no choice but to share. Voiding warranties is uncool for many of us.
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So I was thinking.....
With all the Nexus S rumors floating around I ad a thought. Why would Samsung put much effort into 2.2 when 2.3 is coming soon. Maybe we will skip over 2.2. Also I am hoping a Nexus S will allow us have have a good shot at getting a stock Android build or a stable cyanogenmod version because it will be based on Samsung hardware.
One can only hope, or maybe me thinking is not such a good thing after all.
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Why would Samsung put much effort into 2.2 when 2.3 is coming soon.
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Samsung's efforts are complete for the most part, regarding 2.2. They have released it to (all or most, no confirmation) Galaxy S carriers. It is now up to the carriers to accept (as has been done by several) or reject (which is usually the case with VZW).
We've, of course, gotten zero verification that VZW has received anything, but based purely on the fact that it is already *out* on other SGS devices, one can logically assume VZW is the one holding the process up at this point...again, as usual.
Sounds like buisness as usual for VZW. Reminds me of my good old BlackBerry storm.
the nexus S will likely be a much a different phone while being very similar, it will likely not use RFS filesystem as it is garbage, and it will be a GSM model, while one would question why put out froyo so late in the game to your flagship, what makes you think they could have gingerbread ready if froyo still isn't ready, im primly on the same boat as everyone else and am getting tired of being jerked around while older, slower, less selling phones receive an update that we can't even get a date on.
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Why are people so upset about the Froyo delay? The Motorola Backflip that came out in March just got updated to 2.1. The Fascinate was released 2 months ago and shipped with what the Backflip was just upgraded to. It would be nice to have Froyo on the Fascinate, but is it really that big of a difference between 2.1 and 2.2 that people can't just be patient and wait for it?
I'm not 100% on this, but I don't think an upgrade from 2.1 to 2.3 can be done while completely skipping over 2.2. Not an OTA at least.
Actually most people think that if Nexus S is indeed Galaxy S that means that all Galaxy S will benefit, this is not true. Even if all other Galaxy S version receive 2.3 and fascinate doesn't, we can't do anything about 2.3 because the 2.3 kernal isn't here. OS and kernal are two different things. We've had OS sources for the longest time because it is released by Google, that doesn't mean anything if we don't have the working kernal. Devs tried to build 2.1 kernal from the ground in the past with Droid Milestone(?) but that was hell and no one would even try to do that ever again.
So stop with Nexus S = Galaxy S. Even if that is true, unless it is exactly same as Fascinate, we won't benefit anything from that, just like we can't benefit from Internation version, Vibrant, Epic 4G, and Captivate Galaxy S. We need specific "Fascinate" kernal code.
You are exactly right. We couldnt have gingerbread for the exact same reason we can't have froyo now. Think about. I think the fascinate is doomed. Thank God for our good devs, they can keep us up to date, til LTE, At which point, im out!!!
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I agree with ksizzle.. I'm starting to think this phone is doomed
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I wouldnt say its doomed at all . like dude said , its only been two months . Yeah other carriers have it already and vzw is notorious for things like this... but give it a little more . Im probably the most impatient guy around here , i mean the ONLY reason i care at all about it is so development picks up on it . I could care less about playing videos in a browser without an app haha .
I know there is a little more than flash .But there isnt really anything WRONG with 2.1 . Just lack of development ... and even with that said , new kernals are popping up , new roms ,etc . I think this phone is far from dead. i just think we are really impatient haha .
im def being pessimistic but i'm just getting flashbacks of having a blackberry tour last year and being on crackberry forums like wheres our update? and the tour being like the redheaded step child of verizons phones and i jus got deja vu w/ this delayed 2.2 situation...
and then its like gingerbread is coming out now, so there will b phones on 2.3 while we JUST get 2.2.... how long is it gonna take us to get 2.3. im fairly positive it won't b as timely as it should... so i kinda feel doomed lol... i love this phone but dam
while it may have only been two months since this phone came out froyo has been out since may 19, 2010 to be exact. That puts us at six no that behind the current OS, which In a week or 2 will be the old one. However, with that said, I think there are some things in store for everyone that will make this phone MUCH more enjoyable and hopefully we can get it soon.
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I think that we are spoiled users, if we look to the dark side, the iPhone gets a mayor update about once a year, we have to chill out a bit and enjoy what we have now
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I had froyo on my droid it really brought nothen major to the table imo. Im fine with current setup but i just want the fixes/patches for bugs and im happy. Main being gps and button backlights.
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I had froyo on my droid it really brought nothen major to the table imo. Im fine with current setup but i just want the fixes/patches for bugs and im happy. Main being gps and button backlights.
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I have to agree. I remember going through this when I had my Droid and being unimpressed with 2.2. Other than Flash, which for me isn't even a huge deal anyway, I didn't see what all the fuss was about.
I definitely am DYING for a GPS fix though. As for backlights, not sure what's wrong with them unless you're talking about how long they stay on but I thought that there is already a mod for that anyway, no?
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Other than flash and Google making applications not work on our phone I am totally happy. (flame suit) If it wasn't for those things I would be happy if we never got another update.
I am using JT's non- voodoo kernel and system.
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Other than flash and Google making applications not work on our phone I am totally happy. (flame suit) If it wasn't for those things I would be happy if we never got another update.
I am using JT's non- voodoo kernel and system.
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How is google making apps that don't work on the Fascinate?
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How is google making apps that don't work on the Fascinate?
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I am taking about the app's that do not work on 2.1 period, not specifically the Fascinate. Like "Voice Actions for Android", new gmail app, etc.
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I think that we are spoiled users, if we look to the dark side, the iPhone gets a mayor update about once a year, we have to chill out a bit and enjoy what we have now
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i agree with u except fo the fact that, A. anyone with an iOS developer acct get the OS way in advance. B. when they release an OS update all their stuff gets it.
Canadas Fascinate isn't getting Froyo till January. So let's not get hopes up folkes. I don't see officisl froyo coming this month unless its a leak or a port of some sort.
Anyone ready to jump ship?
They can do it for Gingerbread
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/04/09...owners-to-test-froyo-update-prior-to-release/
Don't hold your breath.
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Because it's Samsung ... enough said ...
It could happen if they actually foster that XDA relationship they kept mentioning. #SamsungJohn?
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It could happen if they actually foster that XDA relationship they kept mentioning. #SamsungJohn?
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I repeat, don't hold your breath.
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For all of its greatness, our phone is getting long in the tooth. personally, don't really expect Samsung to support our phone much into the future
Epic... the bastard king.... just dont buy another one of their phones unless they have the OS you expect on it and stable. Im just happy XDA is here to save their asses for those lucky enough to look for it on this one...
I think Samsung is just about done with this phone. They gotta worry about the GSII NOW
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Problem is Sprint wont get the GS2 for awhile if ever.
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They did.
DJ29
DK17
DK28
Anyone doubt these got out on purpose?
The galaxy s 2 is nothing. Another touch screen android phone. So what? There's litteraly thousands of those.
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They did.
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Anyone doubt these got out on purpose?
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You got a point there.
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Kitteh298 said:
The galaxy s 2 is nothing. Another touch screen android phone. So what? There's litteraly thousands of those.
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Either you're incredibly stupid, or a troll.
In the event that you're just stupid here's the difference:
Dual core version on our processor
Super AMOLED plus (no pentile matrix ruining the screen)
Larger screen
Thinnest Phone in the world (subject to change any day, but still pretty damn thin)
HDMI out through usb
And more.
they did do this just not as public. i got eb13 the day it was pushed OTA but then they discontinued rollouts due to problems. its gonna be awhile before they come out with another good android phone with a keyboard IMO. i refuse to go HTC just because theyre starting to lock down their phones more and more as new models come out. no bueno. i just hope when the nexus s comes out for sprint there will be a quick port for us epic users. i dont plan on getting a new phone for a while. epic does everything i need it to do and some. and for those who complain about the dropped keys, IMPALER has a flashable zip on the development section which IMO completely irradicates the dropped keys issue. i text just as fast as i can type on a CPU and have had not 1 dropped key since.
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They did.
DJ29
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In your opinion as a dev, has Samsung's support of the Dev community gotten better in the past 2 months, and if so, do you think it will continue to improve, or fall back?
Thanks!
Pyperkub said:
In your opinion as a dev, has Samsung's support of the Dev community gotten better in the past 2 months, and if so, do you think it will continue to improve, or fall back?
Thanks!
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Personally I felt like Eb13 rocked. It was nice to have an official 2.2 even if it was a bit late. I believe they will release GB and as long as it doesn't have any major bugs that will be the end of official development for the Epic. If they do release Gingerbread in a reasonable time frame, my next phone will be a Galaxy S II. If not then I will be looking for an HTC or a Motorola. My next phone must have an unlocked bootloader or I will not buy.
To answer your question, yes I believe hit has gotten better but by how much I am not so sure.
There's a difference between a locked bootloader and an encrypted bootloader.
HTC's phones have ALWAYS been NAND locked, once NAND was unlocked root was achieved. Moto is encrypting their bootloaders, they can't be unlocked without the encryption code.
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I think the problem is with Sprint, not with Samsung!
I'm throwing out a theory here. I think the froyo disaster is heavily based on the fact that the Galaxy Series would be best served with Gingerbread, but as of release they couldn't be equipped with Gingerbread. They had Eclair solid at release date and decided to do so uniformly. They also had froyo code, but it's optimized for the HTC hardware it was designed on. The conversion to froyo was bigger than expected and involved moving and/or firing devs that couldn't deal with the change. Frantic motions are made across all Galaxy phones to get froyo out. Now Gingerbread development can be resumed, thus resumed silence. I really think it might be a combo of bad timing on release date and an inability to realize what that would mean in the market. I think Samsung is learning lessons more publicly than other companies are having to. I see people complain about problems with prior Moto and HTC updates, so I know Samsung is not alone in having issues.
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I think if the Samsung Galaxy S 2 comes out for Verizon, I'll get that one. But if not, I think I'm getting the Samsung Charge, or Iphone 5. What phone are you most excited about?
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sgs2, I hate apple so undecided on iphone 5
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None. I'm stuck on the two year contract. I don't know how you are not?
SGSII definitely. I'm avaliable for an upgrade anytime til my contract ends November.
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Nothing from Samsung, that's for sure.
I actually really like this phone once its de-bloated and de-crapified. Actually its probably my favorite phone I've ever had. (that includes numerous smart phones and platforms going back to the nokia 3650 on symbian os). Im going to stick around with it until there's something amazing released.
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do you know if its coming to verizon?
I'll get the SGSII, IF and only if it doesn't have anything locking it down and preventing custom ROMs/Kernels. Otherwise, I'll find something else.
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I'll get the SGSII, IF and only if it doesn't have anything locking it down and preventing custom ROMs/Kernels. Otherwise, I'll find something else.
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Supercurio has been posting numerous Tweets on his Twitter bout that, seems that there's not too much to worry about that
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This mod will be getting a Thunderbolt when his contract with ATTmobile is up.
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Supercurio has been posting numerous Tweets on his Twitter bout that, seems that there's not too much to worry about that
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Yeah, didn't see those when I posted that. Just need to make sure that VZW doesn't request that the bootloader be locked and Samsung follow through with it.
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Nothing from Samsung, that's for sure.
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What she said! F' Samsung! I've had all 3 omnia's and now the Fascinate and am sick of having to wait for updates whilest others bask in the update glory!
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Yeah, didn't see those when I posted that. Just need to make sure that VZW doesn't request that the bootloader be locked and Samsung follow through with it.
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Saw this posted on twitter ... Wayne and company are generally a solid source.
http://www.gizmoninja.com/2011/04/15/samsung-will-not-lock-its-bootloaders/
So will unlocked bootloaders win out over slower software updates? For me personally I say yes.
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bobloblaw1 said:
I actually really like this phone once its de-bloated and de-crapified. Actually its probably my favorite phone I've ever had. (that includes numerous smart phones and platforms going back to the nokia 3650 on symbian os). Im going to stick around with it until there's something amazing released.
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I'm probably going to do the same, I'm hoping that it can get me til sometime in december of 2012 so i can leave verizon...though my contract is "up" in march of 2012 my girlfriend's line doesn't end until 12/23/2012
I just jumped ship from the Fascinate to the Thunderbolt a few days ago. Rooted and have been experimenting.
After getting a sense of the Thunderbolt and putting it side by side with the Fascinate, its not as dominant as I would have expected. The Fascinate's SAMOLED screen is just substantially better than the Thunderbolt's S-LCD. Its not even close really. Also, the latest gen Snapdragon + Adreno 205....doesn't seem as snappy as the Fascinate SoC. Fascinate definitely has better graphics. Very subtle stutters on the Thunderbolt after testing a few ROMs and Kernels. Also, its certainly a matter of opinion, but the Thunderbolt is just a tad too big compared with the Fascinate. They have the power button on top like an iPhone, and the way I would naturally grip the phone puts the power button barely out of reach of my index finger. I have to do a very small phone adjust in my hand to allow my index finger to get on top of the power button, but the Fascinate's 4 inch screen is about as large as I would imagine it could get for it to require no movement of the phone in the palm while operating it, which is preferable I think.
On the other hand - Verizon's LTE network is stupid fast. NYC with its saturated 3G networks -- the LTE network is like coming up for air after nearly drowning. Its rock solid everywhere I've been, almost like ubiquitous WiFi. When you really think about it, even the best Dual-Core Cortex A9 phones on ATT can't really touch a Cortex A8 experience on WiFi. The network makes an enormous difference and that can't be stressed enough.
The Thunderbolt is sexier than the Fascinate with its screen off. I don't really care about the kickstand, but the feel and heft is a welcome change from the Fascinate. Although not a graphics beast, it is by no means a slouch. The UI is very snappy, and I'll be very curious once CM7/AOSP gets released.
Thats the final thing about the Thunderbolt that I think is worth mentioning. The Thunderbolt forum is buzzing. Lots of devs, people are gearing up for CM7 nightlies/crackflashing. Not to say this forum wasn't Fantastic, but the Thunderbolt, and HTC in general, seem to have a slightly more robust community. I'm not at all upset with my decision to switch, but the Fascinate is by NO MEANS old hardware right now, in fact using the Thunderbolt makes me appreciate how good Samsung was on the hardware side.
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Saw this posted on twitter ... Wayne and company are generally a solid source.
http://www.gizmoninja.com/2011/04/15/samsung-will-not-lock-its-bootloaders/
So will unlocked bootloaders win out over slower software updates? For me personally I say yes.
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I agree, and with an unlocked bootloader and a whole SLEW of awesome devs that I know are gonna jump on this beast of a phone and with Sammy leaking source code and updates like EB01/EC01 for free beta testing, we don't need official OTA updates. I WILL BE GETTING THE GALAXY S 2!
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That is a great question. I bought a used Fascinate to hold me over, and to learn the Android system. I am hoping that later in the year I can get something with dual core and LTE. But I also don't want to give up battery life. So this may not be possible.
I like Android, but have a bad opinion of Samsung compared to my previous multiple HTC WinMo devices.
So I want:
For the OS: Android, likely not Microsoft, never Apple.
Manufacturer: HTC, maybe Moto, Samsung is low on the list.
Carrier: Verizon...........period.. What I need it for, other choices fail.
Dual core would be nice, but not at the expensive of a lot of battery life.
I want LTE. Not badly, but there is not much reason to throw away a 2 year contract and not get it.
The Thunderbolt is almost it, and may BE it, for me. Maybe I really don't want dual core just yet anyway. The new SGS II is probably nice, but I'm sure I would be returning in to Verizon as it would have the same hardware weaknesses that I see in the Fascinate.
So I'm waiting it out for now to see what else comes along. Until I smash this P.O.S. Fascinate against the ground and I'm forced to decide.
It's going to be really tough for me to buy another Samsung phone. The internal guts of the Fascinate are awesome (which is why I bought it), but the lack of support and poorly written code is a real let-down. I'm definitely going to explore other phone manufacturers and carriers to see how things compare. If another network suits my daily needs, I'll definitely switch... possibly to T-Mobile given their upcoming line-up of phones. I'm not excited about the possible AT&T merger, but I definitely won't be locking myself into any contracts in the near future. Android progresses way too quickly to get locked into anything longer than 1 year - and those contracts are going away.
As much as most would hate to hear it, if the iPhone had Google Navigation, a universal micro-USB port and maybe removable internal storage + battery... I would consider it. I doubt those things would ever happen, so no iPhone for me. An MIUI-compatible Android would be much better anyways.
Galaxy S2. Samsung is improving. I mean, GB is rolling out to the i9000 before any other phone. Their hardware is superior. With the Galaxy S2, it's EXT4. AND, the bootloader is gonna be open. It seems that they ARE listening to the consumers. Though I'm angry that we still don't have 2.2, I blame Verizon for that more than Samsung.
I was just wondering what phone you guys are waiting for, I'm personally waiting for the sgs2, hopefully it comes out soon enough. Seems mostly everyone has gone to the g2x already.
if they did go for the g2x already i feel sorry for them in my opinion. ive seen the reviews and no way is it even close to sg2 not even close to htc sensation. im gonna get either one of those, preferable sg2!
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if they did go for the g2x already i feel sorry for them in my opinion. ive seen the reviews and no way is it even close to sg2 not even close to htc sensation. im gonna get either one of those, preferable sg2!
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That's exactly what i'm thinking, the g2x isn't that great, I think most people got it because the guy who made cm7 has one also.
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That's exactly what i'm thinking, the g2x isn't that great, I think most people got it because the guy who made cm7 has one also.
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Precisely.
The reason why a lot of people have gone towards the g2x is the big support from the Dev community. Unlocked bootloader + source has already been released.
Not to mention sg2 has no release date for the u.s, others couldn't wait.
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The reason why a lot of people have gone towards the g2x is the big support from the Dev community. Unlocked bootloader + source has already been released.
Not to mention sg2 has no release date for the u.s, others couldn't wait.
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These are reasons why people in this community would buy or take a long look at it, seems like a good phone and most reviews are quite good. Samsung and there slow updates, and lack of source make a tough phone for developers and now that HTC and Moto are locking their bootloaders, its gets harder to dev's to make the fun they make.
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Definitely an HTC
I had the choice of G2 or Vibrant me thinking Awesome hardware=better than G2.
I was wrong.
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im thinking of getting the sgs2 or sensation...
#neveragain
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Hands Down SGS2, I love being able to tinker, but even if I cant I love samsung hardware. I gotta say for support though, LG or HTC
I never understood the craze over the g2. Is there something with current roms that you don't like?
Idk about craze over the G2, but it is a fantastic phone, especially for emulators in my opinion, but thats because you can get some nice clocks outta the CPU. I got one (well, not mine, I tinker with my friends) running @ 1.8ghz, and thats pretty sexy playing OOT on there perfectly (almost) In regards to roms, you mean for vibrant? I have no problem with anyones work =) just prefer my own I'm working on =P
I understand that the G2, and all second gen snapdragons for that matter, can clock high, but is there any application other than emulators that use that power. After all, developers have to take care of both the low and high end phones. Plus, you are killing the lifespan of the CPU and lowering your battery life.
The vibrant runs fine on 2.2.1 and is helped by Samsung's GPU acceleration implementation in both the launcher and browser. And once the i9000 gingerbread roms start rolling out, we can only expect greater speed and stability.
Mostly people suffer from nuevo-addiction and waiting is just too much. Also, alot of people who have phones I have noticed once the phone becomes bugfree with lots of support they bail for a new phone to conquer the new phone system.
I am waiting for the S2
if you've got the money why nit? if I'm a millionaire I would buy all the latest android phone.
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SGS2
Most likely a better processor (as long as we don't get the Tegra2 version)
SAMOLED plus
more RAM
G2X then SGS2!
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I'm looking forward to the sensation. The galaxy s2 wont be significantly better in terms of hardware, and I've got a real bad taste in my mouth from the lack of support my vibrant has received from Samsung. Locked bootloader or not, the sensation is still a pretty good looking phone that I'm sure will perform well.
Worst case scenario, I buy the sensation, hate it and return within 14 days, wait for something else to be released. My vibrant and hd2 should keep me happy until I find something great.
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I've got a real bad taste in my mouth from the lack of support my vibrant has received from Samsung.
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To me the problem is buying a carrier altered edition of the phone. The international GS seems to get upgrades just fine. They don't have to wait on Samsung AND then the retarded carriers with all their alterations and other BS. That's what owning my Vibrant has taught me. 100% international & unlocked only from here on in. I'll be buying the International SGS2 as soon as I can, no US version for me ever again.
all i want is a new google nexus phone with a notification led duel cameras with flash and a duel core processor then ill be happy