All the reviews.... - Fascinate General

All the reviews are making me nervous... thank god for a return policy.
Give me a chance to root and see if I can remove all this bloatware, bing crap.
Such a pretty device too....

ya no kidding huh?
I ordered a droid x almost 2 weeks ago and have been mulling over switching to the fascinate ever since. Apparently now I'll have to wait to receive my droid x and then bring it in and return it for the fascinate. Good thing it's coming tomorrow(they told me it would ship on the 13th).
I have no idea what to do. The fascinate looks great as far as specs go. It really just depends on how the custom roms are going to run on it, because there's no way I'm sticking with bing search and maps... EVERYONE has said it but it's just retarded!
Soo... the DX's bootloader is still locked. The Fascinate is "supposedly" completely unlocked. The DX is supposed to be getting Froyo anyday now right? And who knows when the Fascinate will get it... sometime this year huh?
I'm so tired of this stinky old Touch Pro 2 that I can't even check my twitter on anymore! I'm definately leaning towards trying the Fascinate. And I will DEFINATELY be rooting/hacking/overclocking to the fullest of it's capabilities. Sorry for going on.. I've had smartphones on my brain for the last week. At least most of ya'll understand what I'm going through.

Just one week? I have been thinking about Fascinate for months (ever since it was announced)
I knew Bing would be default search engine but I never thought it would be the only search engine.
Here I was, getting a bit antsy thinking Google might turn evil after the net neutrality deal, but MS is still the evil lord of technology.

First of all, the reviews (Gizmodo/Engadget/Droid Life) that were written about the Fascinate were all awful. Not a single one of them did the phone any justice, nor did they cover anything except how much they hated the fact that Bing was the only search engine and that TouchWiz has a lag issues and other problems. They never said anything about the hardware being superior to any other device vzw offers. There is no doubt that TouchWiz needs improving and that having only Bing is stupid. However this phone is awesome. The cpu/gpu/screen are all much better than the Droid X and the Droid 2 and the Droid Incredible. Once this thing is rooted and the ROMs start coming, it will be the king.

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They never said anything about the hardware being superior to any other device vzw offers.
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"The phone hardware is pretty good!" -Gizmodo
"In terms of raw specs, the Fascinate looks lustworthy no matter how you slice it." -Engadget
"It has an amazing screen and specs to put many phones to shame..." -DroidLife
I'm pretty sure you were trolling though.

Actually I wasn't. What you pasted is literally about all they wrote. They seem like they are trying to prove a point that they hate what they did with Bing, so you shouldn't buy the phone. I think Gizmodo went as far as saying if you want a Galaxy S phone you should switch carriers...
I just think the reviews were all terribly ignorant, and not really fair compared to some of the other reviews i've seen them do. I don't even know how you can compare this phone to a Droid Incredible at this point, it's far superior in every category with the exception that Sense UI is likely a bit better than TouchWiz.
This is one of my favorites:
"Camera: This actually started out in the “Good” section and as I continued through the review, it had to be moved. 5MP? Really? The picture quality of shots taken with the camera aren’t bad at all, but with the Incredible and Droid X both sporting 8MP beasts, you’ve got to come strong."
This guy is clearly clueless, and what he says makes no sense at all.

Epell said:
"The phone hardware is pretty good!" -Gizmodo
"In terms of raw specs, the Fascinate looks lustworthy no matter how you slice it." -Engadget
"It has an amazing screen and specs to put many phones to shame..." -DroidLife
I'm pretty sure you were trolling though.
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"The phone hardware is pretty good!" -Gizmodo
lol, what a joke.
It's not trolling to say that the reviews aren't good. If he was trolling it would make more sense for him to be mocking the phone and saying it sucks. Instead he's saying the phone will likely be very popular even with all of the bad reviews.
Either way, imo the only good review is slash gear's b/c they gave a thorough in-depth review. Not a "lightning" review, not a quick overview, but a REAL review.
Now, let's get this back on topic.
I am not trusting any of the reviews at this point. I'll be picking up my fascinate tomorrow and I have high hopes and expectations.

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This is one of my favorites:
"Camera: This actually started out in the “Good” section and as I continued through the review, it had to be moved. 5MP? Really? The picture quality of shots taken with the camera aren’t bad at all, but with the Incredible and Droid X both sporting 8MP beasts, you’ve got to come strong."
This guy is clearly clueless, and what he says makes no sense at all.
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I wonder if they said the same thing when they were giving glowing reviews to the iPhone 4. After all, it ONLY packs a 5mp camera as well. What a crock these people all are.

emplox said:
The cpu/gpu/screen are all much better than the Droid X. Once this thing is rooted and the ROMs start coming, it will be the king.
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This phone is only better by its screen type & gpu, both phones straight out the box, the droid x performance a hella alot better then the fascinate in some good ol benchmark test such as quadrant, its true it performance better at gpu benchmark of course because of the updated gpu inside it; but IMO Droid X is still better.

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This phone is only better by its screen type & gpu, both phones straight out the box, the droid x performance a hella alot better then the fascinate in some good ol benchmark test such as quadrant, its true it performance better at gpu benchmark of course because of the updated gpu inside it; but IMO Droid X is still better.
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Not to be nit-picky, but the Hummingbird CPU is superior to the Droid X snapdragon.
Just throwin' that out there.

dr154 said:
This phone is only better by its screen type & gpu, both phones straight out the box, the droid x performance a hella alot better then the fascinate in some good ol benchmark test such as quadrant, its true it performance better at gpu benchmark of course because of the updated gpu inside it; but IMO Droid X is still better.
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Galaxy S phones stumble during the I/O test in Quadrant. People created a patch for it and the phone scores well above anything else.

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Not to be nit-picky, but the Hummingbird CPU is superior to the Droid X snapdragon.
Just throwin' that out there.
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Just throwin this out there, it has a OMAP which is also superior to the snapdragon. But yes once this ***** has some good custom roms it will b king, i playedneed for speed on it, OMG it was like better than my psp, no lie, can't wait, im on the way to the store to pick one up n less than a 2 hours, i couldn't even sleep last night im so stoked. Ill be keeping this one for awhile. The veibrant has a 1.6OC coming soon this phhone will b SWEET!!!!!
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i couldn't even sleep last night im so stoked.
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lol, I'm with ya there. I just wish I didn't have to wait till after work.

I don't post here much, but I bought into the BOGO fascinate deal yesterday. I have been a WM nerd for years and was waiting for some decent WP7 devices before I upgraded from my TP2. I'm stuck on verizon, and it looks like there are no noteworthy WP7 launch devices. I also work for verizon, so I get an upgrade every 10 months. Figured I'd take a chance withandroid for the next 10 months to try the whole shebang.
Being a geek, I took one look at the specs and was impressed.
First: This is XDA. What does all this bing/touchwiz nonsense mean to us? The FIRST thing I do with any smartphone I get is root! Aren't the CNET/Amazon review boards for the people who can't get over these tiny carrier-specific idiosyncracies?
I keep reading the reviews as well--and most importantly the reviews in the user-submitted sections. The phone is getting absolutely flamed by people who don't even own it yet feel the need to rank it at a "1" on all levels because of Bing. Seriously?

I'm not worried about a thing. Once this phone is rooted, and I'm sure it won't take long, it's going to be a beast.

I got my fascinate this morning and it is a thing of beauty.
Unfortunately, I can use it yet. Verizon billing system is having issues in the Midwest and cant activate me yet. Atleast that's what their telling me.
But i'm having fun moving the puzzle piece around, haven't seen the word "BING" yet.

eleazar123 said:
Not to be nit-picky, but the Hummingbird CPU is superior to the Droid X snapdragon.
Just throwin' that out there.
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Droid X doesn't even have a Snapdragon processor, its OMAP, there's a difference...
The point im making is that straight out of the box Droid X is clearly the winner of any phone out there but its ui, sure the samsumg probably have more result once its rooted, thats with any smartphone, kinda worry's me some of these people even come ova to xda...

The Fascinate felt a whole lot snappier and smooth to me vs the DROID X/2. I'm having a tough time deciding which to go with.

I work in a vzw call center. Droid x's everywhere. After playing with my fascinate, 2 coworkers are returning their X's for the fascinate. Rarely have I seen a device this well done.
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kbcarroll said:
I work in a vzw call center. Droid x's everywhere. After playing with my fascinate, 2 coworkers are returning their X's for the fascinate. Rarely have I seen a device this well done.
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+1, I too have returned my X for the Fascinate. My main gripe with the X was the hardware buttons (I just didn't like them personally). But after seeing the performance of the Fascinate I was sold (and it has haptic buttons .

Related

Benchmarks - Droid X vs Evo 4G vs Nexus One (Froyo)

Awesome Droid X results!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilx_cpGZczM
Pretty awesome considering it isn't running froyo...
Gota love that GPU.
It is nuts how bad the EVO tested. It would be interesting if they included the Incredible.
So.. I was pretty sure about wanting this... but some are saying to wait a month or two...... what is your guy's consensus on the subject?
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So.. I was pretty sure about wanting this... but some are saying to wait a month or two...... what is your guy's consensus on the subject?
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Always wait a couple months and they'll be something better.
true... I just suppose if it something like front facing camera or some other feature I would never use is worth the wait for some.. I might as well just bite the bullet I think...
Ok, so as far as processors and GPUs go, do I have this right?
Samsung Galaxy S/iPhone4 > Droid X/2 > Evo/Incredible/HD2
Droid X is at least on par with iPhone 4 from what I've seen. Hard to compare the two since they run on a different OS.
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Droid X is at least on par with iPhone 4 from what I've seen. Hard to compare the two since they run on a different OS.
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I think we need to look at features that are actaul PHONE features.. not just which has more apps or a higher resolution.... which is actually better faster at making phone calls and has more capabilities that involve phone activities...
Sure they are much more than phones.. but we live in an advanced day now and we should not have to worry about how we hold a phone to get reception n things of such...
I myself think the PHONE parts ot the iphone suck, however I do think it is a cool device in some instances, so I bought an ipod touch and jailbroke it just for fun...
Hmmm.. the X is so tempting!!!
After I saw this video I became confused. So, the Nexus One is outdated for now? Is it worth buying the Nexus One now?
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After I saw this video I became confused. So, the Nexus One is outdated for now? Is it worth buying the Nexus One now?
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Not really, the Evo will perform about the same as it once it gets Froyo.
Posted on Engadget by a commenter
JXCGunrunna :
"This is about as good as we have right now. You can actually see how the Snapdragon, Hummingbird and OMAP all compare.
Obviously the Nexus one, Desire and Incredible are snapdragon, the Galaxy(jEPIC, Captivate, Vibrant and Verizons version) is the Hummingbird and the Droid Shadow(Droid X) is the OMAP and they are all clocked at 1 GHz.
http://picasaweb.google.com/MFUntch2/MotoDroid#5480633964195182082 "

Sad day.. Had to move to verizon..lol

Well im not happy..but wife moved us to verizon ( work ) hate to leave sprint.. and my hero.. but no choice in the matter atm.. Wife rules...lol
Will stick around though.. The hero section is what made me stick around.. you guys rule.. Plus still have 2 hero's laying around to tinker with.. Or sale etc.lol
Anyway.. guess its on to the darkside ( verizon ) wish me luck.lol At least its not att and iphone's right!!
we will be moving to them as well this winter. what kind of phones did you get? i think you can put your hero on verizon as well so you know.
Verizon has some awesome phones.. IMO the Incredible is still one of the best balanced in terms of performance and form factor
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Verizon has some awesome phones.. IMO the Incredible is still one of the best balanced in terms of performance and form factor
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if i was with verizon id get the droid2. the incredible is a smaller sized phone.
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Verizon has some awesome phones.. IMO the Incredible is still one of the best balanced in terms of performance and form factor
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Agreed, I'd love an incredible
Wife got 2 incredible's for a penny each.. They will arrive wed.. etc..
Really I can't wait.. cause like everyone has said its the perfect balance of size and performance...Lol few co-workers have EVO's And they are always asking me how to do this and that.. Got to admit the EVO is nice.. but still a tad too big for my taste.. 3.6 to 4 inch would be my max on screen size..
And fixxxer I dont care for moto. never have.. and never will. lol same with samsung.
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Wife got 2 incredible's for a penny each.. They will arrive wed.. etc..
Really I can't wait.. cause like everyone has said its the perfect balance of size and performance...Lol few co-workers have EVO's And they are always asking me how to do this and that.. Got to admit the EVO is nice.. but still a tad too big for my taste.. 3.6 to 4 inch would be my max on screen size..
And fixxxer I dont care for moto. never have.. and never will. lol same with samsung.
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Wow, nice, I'd love to have an Incredible, and I agree, I only like HTC Android phones
HTC is by far the best because of their overall build quality and support. Samsung and Motorola are both mixed in terms of which devices they support, and the pace at which they release updates. Some devices like the Behold II and almost all lower end Motorola phones get the shaft and hardly get any updates. Half of them are still at 1.5 or 1.6... but only the high end ones like Droid, Droid X, and Droid 2 (basically all Verizon ones) get satisfactory updates. I think Samsung is similar. HTC is much more consistent.
I don't think you'll miss the Hero at all, except for maybe the hardware buttons instead of capacitive buttons. But I tried out my friend's Incredible, and man was it smooth.. and it was the stock ROM
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HTC is by far the best because of their overall build quality and support. Samsung and Motorola are both mixed in terms of which devices they support, and the pace at which they release updates. Some devices like the Behold II and almost all lower end Motorola phones get the shaft and hardly get any updates. Half of them are still at 1.5 or 1.6... but only the high end ones like Droid, Droid X, and Droid 2 (basically all Verizon ones) get satisfactory updates. I think Samsung is similar. HTC is much more consistent.
I don't think you'll miss the Hero at all, except for maybe the hardware buttons instead of capacitive buttons. But I tried out my friend's Incredible, and man was it smooth.. and it was the stock ROM
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+1, to that, HTC has great phones and support
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+1, to that, HTC has great phones and support
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the droid is a damn nice phone.
fixxxer2008 said:
the droid is a damn nice phone.
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Yeah, but I don’t like Motorola, or physical keyboards
fixxxer2008 said:
the droid is a damn nice phone.
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That is highly debatable with today's selection like the G2 and even the MyTouch Slide. Both keyboards are superior to the Droid's IMO.
Lol everyone has favorites. but myself really don't have too much time to invest in finding the perfect phone. Im sure the moto is nice. same for the epic's etc.. Hell even the iphone is nice to a degree.. The hero is just a phone.. but with it came this nice section on xda which to me made having and using it a joy.lol I always visit diff sections looking for themes and such.. But the hero section seems to have matured unlike other sections..
I almost feel like depressed. lol been with sprint since 97.. feels like a divorce..
I think the INC will be a nice phone.. once I strap my seidio 3500 mAh batt on it..
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Lol everyone has favorites. but myself really don't have too much time to invest in finding the perfect phone. Im sure the moto is nice. same for the epic's etc.. Hell even the iphone is nice to a degree.. The hero is just a phone.. but with it came this nice section on xda which to me made having and using it a joy.lol I always visit diff sections looking for themes and such.. But the hero section seems to have matured unlike other sections..
I almost feel like depressed. lol been with sprint since 97.. feels like a divorce..
I think the INC will be a nice phone.. once I strap my seidio 3500 mAh batt on it..
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I'm sure it will be well enjoy man!
Sent from my hero running froyo... take that Sprint!
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Lol everyone has favorites. but myself really don't have too much time to invest in finding the perfect phone. Im sure the moto is nice. same for the epic's etc.. Hell even the iphone is nice to a degree.. The hero is just a phone.. but with it came this nice section on xda which to me made having and using it a joy.lol I always visit diff sections looking for themes and such.. But the hero section seems to have matured unlike other sections..
I almost feel like depressed. lol been with sprint since 97.. feels like a divorce..
I think the INC will be a nice phone.. once I strap my seidio 3500 mAh batt on it..
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enjoy your new phone. hopefully when i move to verizon there will be a new webos device or a high end android phone.
I think the INC is pretty highend.. screen size aside... lol I mean its not a monster like the evo etc.. but spec wise should be alot better than the hero ive been running all year..
I mean outside of the few games.. wth would I need a dual core chip and a giant screens etc. for right now anyway? To open my email faster and see more of it,lol
Just joking of course.. but really the INC should keep me happy for awhile.. til i get bored...etc..

Supid question for fascinate users..

Hey sorry to post this up but I needed a opinion. My friend wants a new andfoid phone on verizon. Ehats the best choice for him... I told him get a droid x cause the fascinate has slow updates...
Input is appreciated!!
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Wait for dual core phones to hit verizon.
If he's new to android and wants a stock phone with google that works fairly well,i say get the dx. If he wants to get into rooting and likes a slighty smaller phone that is faster get the fascinate.
I had both and even with the gps problems i still would choose the fascinate.
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Hey sorry to post this up but I needed a opinion. My friend wants a new andfoid phone on verizon. Ehats the best choice for him... I told him get a droid x cause the fascinate has slow updates...
Input is appreciated!!
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That's a pretty crappy reason to suggest a device.
I got the Fascinate because IMO, the screen is superior, and I like the overall look/feel of the device better than the X.
Froyo is just gravy when it lands.
There's no way for us to know what's best for him.
I had an x. The fascinate is smoother, better screen but feels cheap. Forget about real modding for a few years till froyo comes out.
X is awaiting gingerbread while were still awaiting Froyo!
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Thanks guys i appreciate the input!! Think ill tell hgim to hold off for another month or two.
I feel like we'll have Froyo by the end of the year, and if the news about Samsung devices getting Gingerbread first holds true, we'd have that before The Droid X gets the update.
The changelog for dj05 said its an update before next years Froyo release so a month at least would be a good call
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Honestly, I'd base it largely on device size preference, because fanboy-ism aside the Droid Incredible (3.7" screen), the Fascinate (4") and the Droid X (4.3") are all excellent devices with similar specs. And each have their own advantages and disadvantages.
The Incredible has a subpar GPU but uses the near-universally acclaimed Sense UI.
The Fascinate gets bloated with Bing and TouchWiz and Samsung isn't the best at updating software but it has (overall) the best hardware specs.
The Droid X also comes bloated with the less-than-ideal Motoblur UI, plus the phone itself is shaped a bit oddly for most peoples' pockets.
But quirks aside, chances are someone new to Android would be perfectly happy with any of the three devices.
Or, of course, you can wait for new devices. It certainly looks like Tegra 2 (dual core) devices will dramatically outperform anything on the market today. But, and this is a big but, you may be stuck waiting until mid-2011 when Verizon starts rolling out LTE phones. It's hard to say at this point whether or not they'll put out more high-end 3G Android phones when LTE's on the horizon. Logically they'd want super-high-end launch devices for a super-high-end network, and there are only so many phones that they can release. That's not to say we definitely couldn't see a dual-core 3G device all of a sudden, but it seems increasingly unlikely.
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The changelog for dj05 said its an update before next years Froyo release so a month at least would be a good call
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Latest word is that DJ05 was scrapped due to to many issues. Also, the best way to pick a phone would be to find a store and go in and play around with the devices you're looking at. I didn't like the physical buttons on the front of the DX, and the hump at the back was odd when holding the phone.
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I get a phone, use it heavily for a day or two. If it annoys me more than I like it, I keep it. If not it goes back. The fascinate annoys me but its the lesser of all evils.
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I get a phone, use it heavily for a day or two. If it annoys me more than I like it, I keep it. If not it goes back. The fascinate annoys me but its the lesser of all evils.
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If you don't plan on unrooting it, the samsung fascinate is a piece of crap...
However, if you do, samsung's phone is probably the most flexible. But it's not necessarily a good thing for everyone. So for regular users, I don't recommend the fascinate for purple enjoy don't plan on unrooting or froyo.
I would argue the opposite, that the Fascinate would be perfect for mainstream users. Most people -- especially those new to Android -- won't notice (and therefore, be bothered by) the non-standard stuff that we power users hate (like Bing).
Even TouchWiz is good for most people -- while it isn't as polished as Sense, it definitely is simpler than stock Android. So, those same things that we love to hate -- like how TouchWiz just so happens to closely resemble iOS -- are actually pros for less technically-inclined folks.
I think CNet's review put it well:
It is certainly always good to have variety, but we also think the Fascinate is well suited for the consumer who is just getting into Android and smartphones. Samsung's custom TouchWiz interface offers an easy-to-understand presentation of menus that makes the transition from feature phone to smartphone a little easier. By the same token, we know TouchWiz isn't going to appeal to everyone, particularly Android purists and business users who might want something a little more polished and less bubbly, and for them, we'd recommend the Motorola Droid X or the HTC Droid Incredible. Still, if it's more a general all-purpose smartphone you're after, the Samsung Fascinate is a fun one to use.
Read more: http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones...rizon/4505-6452_7-34129372.html#ixzz184PC4V93
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Lots of people really like Touchwiz. My mom thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread, although even she hates Bing.
As for what I'd recommend... the Droid X is a nice phone, but I didn't like it. It's lumpy, ugly, feels funny in my hand... and let's not forget that it's slower than the Incredible or Fascinate.
I like the Incredible... a lot. But in the end I went with the Fascinate... nicer screen won the day for me. Also Swype is GODLIKE.

Should I upgrade to the Motorola Photon or the Samsung SII

Which one would you upgrade to and why?
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They both seem like good contenders, but personally I am going for the within(galaxy II) unless sprint decides to put a keyboard on it. The sammys cameras have always been on the top list, and watching some vids on the sgs2, the phone destroys all other benchmarks. This video shows a side by side comparison with the 3d, and the sammy seems to win in every category. Motorola has big shoes to fill...
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo...laxy-s-2-video
Photon has a photo button and kickstands and higher resolution. And we don't know the sg2 is faster, it has not been tested against the photon. There is rumored to be a Tegra 2 version on the sg2 out there and we might get that one in the us making it almost the same as the photon. Just saying
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I think you should check em both out and see which one you like more. People are acting like the sgs2 is some sort of god phone bit really all of these phones are so similarly spec'd that it really comes down to personal preference. I have the E3D and everything about it is sick. I may get an sgs2 to replace my OG EVO though as I would prefer that over the Motorola.
Tapa tapa tapa
I have had bad luck with samsung hardware
but man that photon4g is wayy to sexy
i woud go sgs2. but as said above, it REALLY depends on the processor. ofc, if it gets tegra 2, itll be the same, then its really cosmetics and stock ui... but from what ive read, the Exynos/Orion processors are MUCH faster than the competition. even at 1ghz, the exynos is supposed to be able to beat the tegra. fingers crossed.
The Photon, only because the Samsung GSII might not come in CDMA flavor (carrier blocking), from what I've read.
Otherwise, yeah the GSII.
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how active are the development communities for samsung and motorola compared to HTC?
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how active are the development communities for samsung and motorola compared to HTC?
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HTC>Samsung>Motorola
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Noiro said:
HTC>Samsung>Motorola
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This is what could really keeps me from considering the Photon but on the other hand, I really want the extra resolution the 3D and Photon have.
Another thing to consider is time to market with Software updates. Although the E3D, SGS2, and Photon all launch with Android 2.3 certain manufacturers are quicker and better at releasing official updates.
I for one have not seen a Samsung firmware release go as planned in over a year. Their updates seem to take forever and when they do roll out they are still buggy (The latest Froyo update to the Sprint version of the SGS was pulled twice before a proper release was done). HTC on the other hand updates first and updates often and very rarely has issues. As far as Motorola is concerned... I can't say as the Photon is the first Moto phone we will be carrying in a long time. That being said I am looking forward to the Photon but my biggest concern is SW support both official and third party.
The Photon is also launching with 2.2.......that and a locked bootloader is reason enough to not get it.
Tegra 2 is also overrated and the Adreno 220 and Exynos easily match, and even beat it in some benchmarks.
I haven't read it confirmed, but it seems likely that it will also have a Pentile display, so despite the higher resolution, it won't look as sharp, as say the screen on the EVO3D.
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The Photon is also launching with 2.2.......that and a locked bootloader is reason enough to not get it.
Tegra 2 is also overrated and the Adreno 220 and Exynos easily match, and even beat it in some benchmarks.
I haven't read it confirmed, but it seems likely that it will also have a Pentile display, so despite the higher resolution, it won't look as sharp, as say the screen on the EVO3D.
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So it doesn't have a root yet like the 3d, ok
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The Photon is also launching with 2.2.......that and a locked bootloader is reason enough to not get it.
Tegra 2 is also overrated and the Adreno 220 and Exynos easily match, and even beat it in some benchmarks.
I haven't read it confirmed, but it seems likely that it will also have a Pentile display, so despite the higher resolution, it won't look as sharp, as say the screen on the EVO3D.
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No the Photon is definitely launching with 2.3
source: http://now.sprint.com/p4/?ECID=vanityhoton
It is unconfirmed as to if the boot loader will be locked, at least I have not had a reliable source confirm it. I'll see if I can corner the Motorola rep next time I see him though. If it's anything like the Atrix bootloader it shouldn't be much of an issue though. See:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/motorola-to-unlock-atrix-bootloader-in-future-update/
I am unfamiliar with the differences between a Pentile display and the one the Evo 3D uses. Can you elaborate on how it is inferior?
I'd get the SG2
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I'd get the SG2
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Thats what im thinking
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Love my E3D but since this is for the photon or sgs2 then I would choose the sgs2.
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i'm getting the photon. i'm sick of samsung and their lousy and untimely updates. it's between the evo3d and the photon for me, and the "3d" on the new evo really means nothing to me. motorola devices have always been high quality. i won't like the locked bootloader but sammy's record did it for me i guess. the unknown of the photon trumps samsung's terrible record.
dont base your choice SOLELY on the opinions of others. yea, use them to help you out but, when it comes down to it, it's YOUR choice...not theirs. so play around with each phone (I'm assuming you're waiting on the SGSII to land in order to do this anyway so you have the patience already lol). which ever you like better should be the one you get.
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So it doesn't have a root yet like the 3d, ok
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of course the photon doesn't have root yet....IT'S NOT RELEASED give it time...it will get it especially since Moto is looking to unlock the bootloader of the Atrix (dunno if it has been done yet)...they'll probably do the same with the Photon (probably not right out of the box tho)
when I was upgrading from the Hero, I went through the same thing (had to choose between OG Evo, Shift and Epic). I wanted the bigger screen so the shift was out right away. I played with both the Evo and the Epic and yea the Epic was better specs (the 1gHz Hummingbird vs 1gHz Snapdragon, Super AMOLED vs LED) but it just felt cheap to me (IMO that seems to be with A LOT of Samsung phones...i've had quite a few over the years and so did a friend of mine and they (the phones) all seemed like that). I knew the Evo had the better development community but that didn't affect my decision.
long story short, choose what YOU feel would be the better fit for YOU. test them out (also look at the Evo 3D to see what the others are talking about when it comes to the screen)
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dont base your choice SOLELY on the opinions of others. yea, use them to help you out but, when it comes down to it, it's YOUR choice...not theirs. so play around with each phone (I'm assuming you're waiting on the SGSII to land in order to do this anyway so you have the patience already lol). which ever you like better should be the one you get.
of course the photon doesn't have root yet....IT'S NOT RELEASED give it time...it will get it especially since Moto is looking to unlock the bootloader of the Atrix (dunno if it has been done yet)...they'll probably do the same with the Photon (probably not right out of the box tho)
when I was upgrading from the Hero, I went through the same thing (had to choose between OG Evo, Shift and Epic). I wanted the bigger screen so the shift was out right away. I played with both the Evo and the Epic and yea the Epic was better specs (the 1gHz Hummingbird vs 1gHz Snapdragon, Super AMOLED vs LED) but it just felt cheap to me (IMO that seems to be with A LOT of Samsung phones...i've had quite a few over the years and so did a friend of mine and they (the phones) all seemed like that). I knew the Evo had the better development community but that didn't affect my decision.
long story short, choose what YOU feel would be the better fit for YOU. test them out (also look at the Evo 3D to see what the others are talking about when it comes to the screen)
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I don't need the 3d
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ok, so i am going to upgrade my phone soon, i have 3 choices and i am not sure which one to get; Motorola Milestone X, Samsung Galaxy S, or HTC Merge.
any thoughts?
I'd look up each on xda development website and see which has better ROM choices and which development teams are involved.
From that information I'd pick the one that has best and most options.
Good luck
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I try to get a phone thats on Xda cspire really doesnt have any good phones that has development on here , you should wait till they release 4g
Are you talking about the Galaxy S 2, or just the Galaxy S? If it's the Galaxy S 2, go with that. I know people will come in and say Sammy is slow on updates, but I don't think they will disappoint with the S 2. Coupled with the last 2 Nexus phones have been Samsung, I think it shows Samsung's dedication to Android.
Otherwise, I'd get the Milestone X. I'm getting tired of HTC's shenanigans, so I'm looking to other manufacturers from here on out.
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I'm getting tired of HTC's shenanigans, so I'm looking to other manufacturers from here on out.
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What shenanigans? I've heard much worse about the Samsung Galaxy S (Epic) compared to the HTC hero. GPS problems causing the phone to restart and difficulty developing. They only just got CM7.
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What shenanigans? I've heard much worse about the Samsung Galaxy S (Epic) compared to the HTC hero. GPS problems causing the phone to restart and difficulty developing. They only just got CM7.
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I sold my epic and went back to my hero because it tons of problems my hero is way better
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im going with the motorola photon. not alot of development going on but thats not really a problem when the phone is beastly out the box(so i hear dont own one myself).but getting one in two weeks. im going to root it and run it stock, until some genius unlocks the bootloader without losing 4g.
I'm very seriously considering going with Sprint's version of the Samsung Galaxy SII, the Epic 4G Touch. I played with it at a friends' house and, even with the stock ROM, it is UNBELIEVABLE how much faster and better all around it is than our little workhorse Heroes.
I was not, however, too crazy about the Evo 3D. Even with a custom ROM, it seemed slow and sluggish by comparison to the stock Epic 4G. In the exact same location, the Epic 4G loaded everything faster, had much faster results on speedtest, and switched between apps much quicker. Plus the Epic is thinner and lighter, with a bigger screen.
I really don't know anything about the Photon. A 1ghz Tegra 2 is kinda slow these days, though. I looked at one in the store briefly, but the style was not very attractive to me. The piano black edges clashed with the matte black body. And they are fingerprint magnets.
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I'm very seriously considering going with Sprint's version of the Samsung Galaxy SII, the Epic 4G Touch. I played with it at a friends' house and, even with the stock ROM, it is UNBELIEVABLE how much faster and better all around it is than our little workhorse Heroes.
I was not, however, too crazy about the Evo 3D. Even with a custom ROM, it seemed slow and sluggish by comparison to the stock Epic 4G. In the exact same location, the Epic 4G loaded everything faster, had much faster results on speedtest, and switched between apps much quicker. Plus the Epic is thinner and lighter, with a bigger screen.
I really don't know anything about the Photon. A 1ghz Tegra 2 is kinda slow these days, though. I looked at one in the store briefly, but the style was not very attractive to me. The piano black edges clashed with the matte black body. And they are fingerprint magnets.
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I have an Evo 3D, and while it's definitely a step up from the OG Evo, HTC has killed the capability of the phone with their Sense UI. I don't get any FCs, but there is a lag when the the carousel is spinning. The frame rate of the spin is not very fluid. The only reason I have the 3D is because I was having issues with my Evo 4G, and it was replaced with a 3D. If I were in the market for a new phone today, I would go with the Epic Touch 4G, and not look back. But, I hope the Galaxy Nexus comes to Sprint, as I think I'm done with carrier customizations, since I always revert back to near vanilla Android (CMx) anyway. I just hope the 4th gen Nexus goes to Sprint (not due for an upgrade until Jan 2013), and has a LTE radio. I'd like for it to be a world phone, but will be satisfied with LTE and Jelly Bean, or whatever Googles uses for the letter J.
I own an evo as well haven't had not one issue. Slow ha never. If you on a Evo3d and its slow I'd definitely say its user error.
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I own an evo as well haven't had not one issue. Slow ha never. If you on a Evo3d and its slow I'd definitely say its user error.
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Compared to a SGS2 it is awfully slow. Just go to a retail store and compare the two. After seeing these two side by side outside of a store, I wanted to get an idea of what they were like in store, just in case you were right. You're not. Even in store, the difference is significant! It's really night and day. The SGS2 is significantly faster when loading web pages, has apparently a better radio because its speedtests were faster than the evo, when both were done side-by-side, and the SGS2 took and stored pictures about half a second faster.
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Compared to a SGS2 it is awfully slow. Just go to a retail store and compare the two. After seeing these two side by side outside of a store, I wanted to get an idea of what they were like in store, just in case you were right. You're not. Even in store, the difference is significant! It's really night and day. The SGS2 is significantly faster when loading web pages, has apparently a better radio because its speedtests were faster than the evo, when both were done side-by-side, and the SGS2 took and stored pictures about half a second faster.
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Lol man everyone has there opinion, but to say I'm wrong lol that's a little different. I actually own a Evo3d you don't own either phone correct?? And you went to a store a played with two demos and did a comparison which IMO isn't accurate because you dont know how the phones were setup. And as far as speed tests go IMO there garbage. Real world performance is what matters. But to save a back and forth about a phone you currently don't own I'll post this. You get what ever phone works for you. And that's all that matters.
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Lol man everyone has there opinion, but to say I'm wrong lol that's a little different. I actually own a Evo3d you don't own either phone correct?? And you went to a store a played with two demos and did a comparison which IMO isn't accurate because you dont know how the phones were setup. And as far as speed tests go IMO there garbage. Real world performance is what matters. But to save a back and forth about a phone you currently don't own I'll post this. You get what ever phone works for you. And that's all that matters.
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I don't think you read my first response. I played extensively with two of my friends' phones, one an SGS2, one an Evo 3d, both of which have cm7 loaded on them. I rebooted them both before I did a comparison. The SGS2 was _considerably_ faster in every respect. Then I went to a Sprint store to see if it was just some random thing. In the store, after rebooting them, the SGS2 was _significantly_ faster as well with both having stock roms that were wiped clean the night before my arrival.
All off the differences were real world differences. I think it's interesting to see speedtests act so differently, too, since both phones were priced at the exact same $199.99 level. The SGS2 was about 35% faster, repeatedly, when they did side-by-side comparisons. That matters to me, especially when every other phone operation was better, both under CM7 and stock.
The only thing I'm seeing in your response is that you haven't played with both phones and you think yours, without having done an empirical test, simply "must" be just as fast. Go compare for yourself, buddy.
As far as me reading your post incorrect that's a negative, your second post is greatly different than your first. How then could I have misread your first post and got the meaning of your second post when there obviously not the same. If what you posted in your second post was the point you were trying to make then don't you think you should have posted that instead?? "Its a rhetorical question" Also if that's all you get from my first post then hopefully you can gain a little more from this one. A good friend of mine has the sgs2 so I had the pleasure of handling the phone unrooted. Then just to spite me because I give him such a hard time about it he went and paid someone else to root it and put cm7 on it. After that I had the pleasure of handling the phone while being rooted. I will definitely say the sgs2 is a top noch phone but its not faster IMO than the Evo3d. As far as app loading,web page rendering, phone call connection, multitasking, multimedia upload & download, bootup time, shutdown time, etc. I've ran the sgs2 threw the paces of how I would use my phone and I would definitely still choose the Evo3d. So to shed a little light on the dark thought that you have of me just thinking "my Evo3d is faster" lol without giving the sgs2 a fair shot, I have spent enough time with the sgs2 to know that I would not want one. A fast phone yes but just not faster than the Evo3d. Its just my opinion. Also as I previously posted just get what phone you like best and if it works for you that's all that matters.
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As far as me reading your post incorrect that's a negative, your second post is greatly different than your first. How then could I have misread your first post and got the meaning of your second post when there obviously not the same. If what you posted in your second post was the point you were trying to make then don't you think you should have posted that instead?? "Its a rhetorical question" Also if that's all you get from my first post then hopefully you can gain a little more from this one. A good friend of mine has the sgs2 so I had the pleasure of handling the phone unrooted. Then just to spite me because I give him such a hard time about it he went and paid someone else to root it and put cm7 on it. After that I had the pleasure of handling the phone while being rooted. I will definitely say the sgs2 is a top noch phone but its not faster IMO than the Evo3d. As far as app loading,web page rendering, phone call connection, multitasking, multimedia upload & download, bootup time, shutdown time, etc. I've ran the sgs2 threw the paces of how I would use my phone and I would definitely still choose the Evo3d. So to shed a little light on the dark thought that you have of me just thinking "my Evo3d is faster" lol without giving the sgs2 a fair shot, I have spent enough time with the sgs2 to know that I would not want one. A fast phone yes but just not faster than the Evo3d. Its just my opinion. Also as I previously posted just get what phone you like best and if it works for you that's all that matters.
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I encourage you to re-read what I said. You're mistaking my second post for my first one. This is now my fourth on the subject. It appears you completely ignored most of what I said.
Your story is convoluted and sounds pretty far-fetched. At this point, it looks like a fairly weakly-fabricated "me too." You have over 200 Thank Yous here (which, I agree is meaningless in the grand scheme of things), but you really expect me to believe the story you concocted with such poor grammar and a lack of basic punctuation? No offense, but is English not your native language? Perhaps that's why we're not understanding one another.
You don't have to believe me, but real-world usage, as well as all of the reviews with benchmarks show that the SGS2 eats the Evo 3D for lunch in almost every benchmark. That translates to real world performance, at least in how I use my phone. Perhaps you don't use yours as a multimedia device. That's fine, not everybody does. It's ok if you don't want to believe that, but it is the case as every professional review site will attest.
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I sold my epic and went back to my hero because it tons of problems my hero is way better
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Well you have no credibility left!
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I encourage you to re-read what I said. You're mistaking my second post for my first one. This is now my fourth on the subject. It appears you completely ignored most of what I said.
Your story is convoluted and sounds pretty far-fetched. At this point, it looks like a fairly weakly-fabricated "me too." You have over 200 Thank Yous here (which, I agree is meaningless in the grand scheme of things), but you really expect me to believe the story you concocted with such poor grammar and a lack of basic punctuation? No offense, but is English not your native language? Perhaps that's why we're not understanding one another.
You don't have to believe me, but real-world usage, as well as all of the reviews with benchmarks show that the SGS2 eats the Evo 3D for lunch in almost every benchmark. That translates to real world performance, at least in how I use my phone. Perhaps you don't use yours as a multimedia device. That's fine, not everybody does. It's ok if you don't want to believe that, but it is the case as every professional review site will attest.
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How many thanks I have is unimportant I also checked your profile and it seems most of your posts are just complaints and requests this helps insure that this is my last post on this subject. Also if you believe what I wrote or not doesn't concern me the least, such matters are pointless just like your posts. I understand that some people have trouble focusing there thoughts so I'll leave you to yourself so you hopefully get it all worked out. I really hope you do. Have a good one.
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You ignored everything I said, absolutely everything.
You gave no evidence for your claims except for your fake story. I noted that every review that compares both phones shows the difference I saw. This isn't opinion. It's fact, proven by multiple benchmarks and side-by-side comparisons.
I'll make this easy for you. Watch this video. It's real world performance. There's a distinct advantage for the SGS2.
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-evo-3d-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-2-video
I can understand if you prefer the Evo 3D for whatever reason. It's entirely acceptable to do so. However, to claim that its performance is better than the SGS2 is, simply put, wrong on almost all accounts. I didn't expect someone with so many Thanks to be such a jerk. It's good to admit when you're wrong. You might try some humility sometime.
I heart my NS4G that cost me $30. Paying $200 for a phone at this stayof the game is rather pointless imo, but I am enjoying browsing these hero threads without being bombarded by repeat ICS posts
Edit: that should be stage of the game
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lol @ the guy that thinks the evo3d is as good as the sgs2
and lol that he thinks its faster

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