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Thoughts on 2.1

For those that remember, I dropped my streak cracking the screen. o2 gave me a new one - I shall be far more careful in the future.
Anyways I just upgraded to the 2.1, and prior to this (on 1.6) I liked the phone (but didn't love it as I did my HTC Desire and HD2).
However, with the new firmware, the phone is a million times better. The live wall paper looks amazing on the 5" screen, there is a really cool one with various music visualizations. What is even more impressive is the live wallpaper can be tilted up and down, its 3D!
The phone is a lot snappier and more responsive. There is definitely less lag when switching screens or opening programs.
The new dialer and gallery programs look a lot nicer. To be honest the dialer on 1.6 was really depressing.
BUT
The deal maker for me - The camera is infinitely better. There is no longer any shutter lag (which plagued the 1.6) and photos in dark conditions are better, and whilst the 720p video won't rival a sony handcam it is a massive improvement.
All in all very impressed. This should keep me going till the desire HD comes out!

a positive 2.1 review. im really hoping i will be able to get 2.1 on my US streak because i think thats what will make the phone for me.

what fps u gettin with 720p ... some ppl are sayin like 8fps ... ?

The camcorder captures above 8fps, but its certainly not 25/30fps. I would estimate 18fps.
Here is a video I took earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPAoNRcaMPY&feature=channel

It's far better than 1.6 but the keyboard is REALLY horrible, very slow and no numpad and I make far more mistakes than the previous keyboard...

i thought it was supposed to be 24fps. which i think is rediculously slow but what do you expect, its a phone.

msx999 said:
The camcorder captures above 8fps, but its certainly not 25/30fps. I would estimate 18fps.
Here is a video I took earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPAoNRcaMPY&feature=channel
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I've noticed with it that the fps jumps about a bit but cant really complain as this 2.1 build does feel like a beta so.

The final 2.1 may be 24fps who knows but it is an improvement whatever fps it is

msx999 said:
The camcorder captures above 8fps, but its certainly not 25/30fps. I would estimate 18fps.
Here is a video I took earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPAoNRcaMPY&feature=channel
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you dont need to estimate.. you can get the info from inside the camera app.

i bet it will depend on room lighting. if you have 2.1, try in high light and low light. also try with lower video resolutions.

Anyone else think that 2.1 has made sound louder when playing music and videos Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA App

15fps on the cam apparently....damm

Well ever since i got my streak on release date i've loved it
Had been waiting on 2.1 as i knew this would make the phone even better and oh boy it's really amazing.
The live wallpapers, currently using beautiful widgets live wallpaper n it's a real eyecatcher for all my mates, so much so 2 mates r upgrading to it.
I've only got one problem in that i couldn't wait to get flash.... bbc iplayer full site on my streak...heaven... n here is the problem.. can i get flash 10.1 to download..nope.. really frustrating as it would be great.
if u like big phones then this is the phone for u, u'll not be dissapointed.
But if someone can help with the flash prob then pleeeeaassee let me know

Ev vern if you can download flash you won't get it to work as it designed to work on 2.2. Some one has tried this.
I am also looking forward to getting flash.....just wish dell would hurry up
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HTC Incredible vs Samsung Vibrant: HTC Incredible is faster?

I have the Vibrant. My friend has the Incredible. I compared the two.
While on paper the Vibrant tops the Incredible in terms of hardware (aside from camera related areas), the Incredible seems to be a bit more snappy. Now I am not saying the Vibrant is "slow", but rather there is noticeable ~.5-1 sec delay when opening messaging, for example, where as the Incredible has none, at all. (I have applied Ryan's lagfix and hit 2.2k on Quadrant... wish Quadrant results would reflect actual performance.)
Seeing as how Vibrant has the better hardware, my guess is it must be Sense UI vs TouchWiz thing. I love TouchWiz (don't flame me) but if it is the one causing my otherwise great phone to slow down... I will nuke the thing.
What do you guys think?

I thought I saw that the incredible was starting to see froyo. Has he updated? That would make a huge difference. If you are seeing lash on the Samsung specific apps. I would say it is likely touchwiz vs. sense thing.
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We need a later firmware revision. The one we have isn't very good. Later versions reduce or eliminate the type of lag you're talking about.
Besides that, I don't know what you're trying to prove here

My guess would be it's Touchwiz that causes this but there could also be other factors involved. I have a friend with an incredible and he replaced his messaging with handcent because the lag he was getting from opening the messaging app itself as well as the threads.
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DarkAgent said:
I have the Vibrant. My friend has the Incredible. I compared the two.
While on paper the Vibrant tops the Incredible in terms of hardware (aside from camera related areas), the Incredible seems to be a bit more snappy. Now I am not saying the Vibrant is "slow", but rather there is noticeable ~.5-1 sec delay when opening messaging, for example, where as the Incredible has none, at all. (I have applied Ryan's lagfix and hit 2.2k on Quadrant... wish Quadrant results would reflect actual performance.)
Seeing as how Vibrant has the better hardware, my guess is it must be Sense UI vs TouchWiz thing. I love TouchWiz (don't flame me) but if it is the one causing my otherwise great phone to slow down... I will nuke the thing.
What do you guys think?
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Have you applied the "fix" yet? I don't see any delays or lag when I open apps.

if you apply the "lag fix" i'm almost certain you won't be able to notice any slow downs in terms of opening applications.
from the limited knowledge I have of the whole "samsung vibrant lag" it's caused by the way the vibrant processes I/O read/write? it's very inefficient as compared to other phones. the fix is a work around and it literally makes it amazingly "snappy" and fast.
I'm choosing to hold off on the fix for now, people reporting issues and having to ODIN flash back to stock is turning me off.
*edit - totally missed the part that said you applied the lag fix. reading comprehension ftl

the OP said:
While on paper the Vibrant tops the Incredible in terms of hardware (aside from camera related areas), the Incredible seems to be a bit more snappy. Now I am not saying the Vibrant is "slow", but rather there is noticeable ~.5-1 sec delay when opening messaging, for example, where as the Incredible has none, at all. (I have applied Ryan's lagfix and hit 2.2k on Quadrant... wish Quadrant results would reflect actual performance.)
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He has applied the lag fix.

Tpavey said:
I thought I saw that the incredible was starting to see froyo. Has he updated? That would make a huge difference. If you are seeing lash on the Samsung specific apps. I would say it is likely touchwiz vs. sense thing.
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Naw, hes on 2.1

heygrl said:
We need a later firmware revision. The one we have isn't very good. Later versions reduce or eliminate the type of lag you're talking about.
Besides that, I don't know what you're trying to prove here
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Not trying to prove anything. I am half venting my superphone is not-so-super and half asking for advice on this issue (indirectly).

bdveteran18 said:
My guess would be it's Touchwiz that causes this but there could also be other factors involved. I have a friend with an incredible and he replaced his messaging with handcent because the lag he was getting from opening the messaging app itself as well as the threads.
Sent from my awesome Vibrant using XDA App
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The problem is it isn't just on messaging; its pretty much everywhere (except browsing... browsing is blazing fast.)

I have a friend with an incredible its a few months old but I found the opposite to be true. Using her phone made me appreciate the speed of the vibrant, I almost felt like I was back using a G1. my phone is about as stock as you can get aside from running launcher pro instead of the regular home app.

2.2 will only make this thing faster. I use touchwiz to show off my phone. It is a lil choppy but never slow. I think our only competitor when we get 2.2 will be the x but for some reason im not worried.
Sgs

My Vibrant never lags. No fix applied.
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant
RIP my beloved rooted G1

Classie83 said:
My Vibrant never lags. No fix applied.
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant
RIP my beloved rooted G1
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Me neither. Had it since release. No lag and about 120 apps installed...
Just need 2.2 and I'm golden....
Gps even works good here... lol

After spending more time with TouchWiz's launcher, I can safely say it is the root of a lot lag. Sucks because I really like it.

heygrl said:
After spending more time with TouchWiz's launcher, I can safely say it is the root of a lot lag. Sucks because I really like it.
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I wonder how it would run on a snapdragon .. lol
Probably horrible ..

smashpunks said:
Me neither. Had it since release. No lag and about 120 apps installed...
Just need 2.2 and I'm golden....
Gps even works good here... lol
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Yupe .. same here.

G2 a bit laggy?

i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?

I don't know what you did but the G2 is incrediblly snappy for me. No lags at all. I'm even playing some heavy duty games, like Asphalt (racing game) and I do not notice any lags at all.

thats what i was expecting too, i dint do anything to my g2 is out of the back from the store

flash comes pre-installed.
Have you tried rebooting?
What are your linpack scores?

I too find G2 a bit choppy (after playing with my friend's iPhone4) but I think that's just the way Android is. It can do so much more but we have to sacrifice some smoothness in return. Seems to lag a bit more on home screens. Browser, maps, other apps are just fine.
Also, with Android 2.2, you have to use a phone for a while for it to achieve it's full potential. Something about JIT getting better over the time.

I had the same thing happen to me after i put my work email through microsoft exchange active sync. i ended up putting the check email frequency to never cause i always check it every morning and night to reply and that seemed to clear up that issue. it might be a bug with microsoft exchange active sync or the email app itself. hope that helps.

Honestly after the G1 I didn't believe android could run without lag, but my G2 never lags at all. Well maybe twice I've noticed a tiny second of lag coming back to the home screen but that's it. That being said, one of my friends got a g2 too and his is a little laggy here and there... gotta be particular apps/widgets causing issues in my opinion... with him in particular I think its the anyRSS widget, but I could be wrong of course. I love this phone
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obelisk282 said:
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?
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Laggy? No, not at all. Not even a little bit. Nope. Whoosh, eat my dust iPhone. Uh, you don't have to install flash, it is preloaded...you could turn it off. Must be something wrong with your trying to run on ATT.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2

My g1 and my g2 BOTH lag blatantly when connected to cheap third party power cords fyi. They work fine on decent power cords, but glitch on the made-in-china, 3 chargers for 99 cents adapter cords.
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The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.

Set flash to "on demand."

Overall I have no lag. when i first got mine (oct 6) there was a delay when i tried to scroll the app drawer. The issues has a since disappear. This thing is snappy and blazing fast.

I think he might be referring to the "smoothness". Unfortunately all android phones have a tendency to stutter when scrolling.
There is no 2D graphics acceleration in the UI, as google did not want to have issues with the older 528mhz phones. Hopefully this will be resolved in 3.0.
The newer faster phones (Like the G2) can hide this with their raw CPU performance, but occasionally if its multitasking or doing something else it will stutter/lag. For now, Windows Phone 7, and iPhone's will always be "smoother". Until we get some decent UI acceleration .

ransu said:
The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.
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do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"

androidcues said:
do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"
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I'm actually talking with flash off though and comparing the g2 side by side a captivate. So android's ui is not hardware accelerated but the galaxy s phones are able to totally mask that. Its not a big difference but a shame that the g2 processor doesn't keep up with the hummingbird. Now someone could explain to me that its because we are running 2.2 but I thought it was actually supposed to be faster than 2.1.

my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.

j.books said:
my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.
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Yeah that makes sense. My captivate is not choppy in the browser at all and my g2 is slightly choppy. It seriously makes me sad.

obelisk282 said:
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
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I think most of the Web browser choppiness is due to the fact your use At&t network for browsing on the G2 which will only get you slow speeds since it can't use At&t's 3G. This would be expected. Try wifi and see if you still have the choppiness. I don't know about your button issue though.

X10 / Arc Sneak Peak Comparison/Mini-Review

Hello everybody!
I got a chance to play around with an Xperia Arc (preview version, NOT final) and I've created this short review and comparison of the new features.

absolutely amazing!

Thanks.
You should say that your X10 has JIT. Mine even beats the Arc, I get 34.974 in Linpack, but overall the Arc is faster and smoother.
I'm looking forwad to the 2.3.3 update for our X10s.
Then we can make a fair comparison...
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Flo95 said:
Thanks.
You should say that your X10 has JIT. Mine even beats the Arc, I get 34.974 in Linpack, but overall the Arc is faster and smoother.
I'm looking forwad to the 2.3.3 update for our X10s.
Then we can make a fair comparison...
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I bet you guys 20 bucks that if SE removes the FPS cap in their 2.3.3 update, the X10 will be just as smooth.
Edit-
Nice video by the way! Though it really shows that you're using an early model of the arc since it seems to lag so much, especially when pinching in the homescreens. I've seen it run buttery smooth on other videos.

ooidort said:
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Nice video by the way! Though it really shows that you're using an early model of the arc since it seems to lag so much, especially when pinching in the homescreens. I've seen it run buttery smooth on other videos.
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I've seen tons and it always looked pretty laggy..

fiscidtox said:
I've seen tons and it always looked pretty laggy..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuGjoOSDCCw
1.21 onwards, buttery smooth.

ooidort said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuGjoOSDCCw
1.21 onwards, buttery smooth.
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It's sped up, why? If it was so smooth, show it at regular speed

fiscidtox said:
It's sped up, why? If it was so smooth, show it at regular speed
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Umm, sped up? No it isn't. Had to actually check if I had linked the wrong video, but no. What makes you think it's sped up?

ooidort said:
Umm, sped up? No it isn't. Had to actually check if I had linked the wrong video, but no. What makes you think it's sped up?
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Hmm I watched it on my phone but it looked it to me.. Il watch again on my computer when I'm home.

I think I'll be sticking X10 for another year now that 2.3 coming out. I wait quad core processors before upgrade

that still looks sped up to me, I'm on my macbook pro now

fiscidtox said:
that still looks sped up to me, I'm on my macbook pro now
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRL06zKhRpY&
Well this surely doesn't look sped up to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qblAx92lfes&feature=related
This guy looks and sounds a lot like Rikard...

pngface said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qblAx92lfes&feature=related
This guy looks and sounds a lot like Rikard...
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Thats because it is him
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Hey BluechipJ,
Nice video. Do you still have the Arc? Could you run the Neocore benchmark? I think a lot of us want to see if that 32fps is lifted or not. Hopefully we get like 50+ fps =)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRL06zKhRpY&
Well this surely doesn't look sped up to me.
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yeah and there is definitely some lag there... Just a couple times though, for the most part very smooth. Much better than prior vids I've seen. Hopefully our official 2.3 will be that smooth

fiscidtox said:
yeah and there is definitely some lag there... Just a couple times though, for the most part very smooth. Much better than prior vids I've seen. Hopefully our official 2.3 will be that smooth
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The guy made an effort to compare his X10 to an Arc, and you decide to argue again Come on!!
Most of the videos available have the uncompleted 2.3 similar to the one showed in the first video, that's why you saw many lags. However, the polished product will be smoother and better, it's always smoother.
Of course you'll have lag here and there once or twice, especially if you're running something for the first time while it caching...
I think we are two steps away from having lag-free android OS. Even Honeycomb has some lags from what I tested
Edit: Look at the Japanese version "SO-01C", you'll notice it's much smoother than most of the videos you watched since it's polished and finalized ( released already )
Link1 Though the guy who is testing seems clueless and first time to use Arc
Link2

MJ_QaT said:
The guy made an effort to compare his X10 to an Arc, and you decide to argue again Come on!!
Most of the videos available have the uncompleted 2.3 similar to the one showed in the first video, that's why you saw many lags. However, the polished product will be smoother and better, it's always smoother.
Of course you'll have lag here and there once or twice, especially if you're running something for the first time while it caching...
I think we are two steps away from having lag-free android OS. Even Honeycomb has some lags from what I tested
Edit: Look at the Japanese version "SO-01C", you'll notice it's much smoother than most of the videos you watched since it's polished and finalized ( released already )
Link1 Though the guy who is testing seems clueless and first time to use Arc
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I'm not arguing at all...
Just want to see an unbiased video in action, and the second vid he posted was just that.
I don't see how being a smart consumer is considered argumentative.. I'm actually quite happy with SE since they announced 2.3 for x10.

fiscidtox said:
I'm not arguing at all...
Just want to see an unbiased video in action, and the second vid he posted was just that.
I don't see how being a smart consumer is considered argumentative.. I'm actually quite happy with SE since they announced 2.3 for x10.
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I wasn't talking about being smart consumer or not, or even whether to attack or defend anything... I just replied to your post about seeing videos with lags, and wanted to make it clear that lags you saw were due to the incomplete OS that the Arc had...
That's all

Why the hell would they switch the back and settings buttons?! That will be so annoying trying to get used to if you switch to the arc! Dumb move!!

Post lag videos?

Whoever can show their lag on the clip. This would help me and others. I'm now curious since I've been on my Nexus 4 with 4.2.2 for a while now that I'm so used to lag that I dont even notice it.

SysAdmNj said:
Whoever can show their lag on the clip. This would help me and others. I'm now curious since I've been on my Nexus 4 with 4.2.2 for a while now that I'm so used to lag that I dont even notice it.
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Here is mine. The lag is not bad, but pretty much everywhere. Obviously an issue with 4.2.2. I don't know. When it doesn't lag the phone is super smooth. I hope they fix this soon.
Samsung obviously didn't optimize their software to run properly on 4.2.2. Makes me miss how fluid the UI was on the Note 2.
Not the best quality, but still good enough to see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPiHs2yacs8&feature=youtu.be

Why would you clear your ram...
With 2 gb theres no need to. Plus its fluid when you leave it alone. Thats like using a task manager from the play store.

j510 said:
Why would you clear your ram...
With 2 gb theres no need to. Plus its fluid when you leave it alone. Thats like using a task manager from the play store.
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For tests like this, it's best to clear ram so you're starting with an empty plate. Just like if you were benchmarking, running browser speed tests, etc.
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I dont see a whole lot of lag in that video.

I wouldn't say it looks laggy. It's more sluggish. But its pretty minor.
It's not as fluid as I want it to be. I might get annoyed.
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I heard if you turn off all those gimikey features. IE eye detections ect. it should fix the lag a bit.

Since that video I've performed a factory reset. Gonna do another video soon.
new video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHZ8cTxXrqM&feature=youtu.be

MattMJB0188 said:
Since that video I've performed a factory reset. Gonna do another video soon.
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Can you do one after the reset. And another one with ALL the gimick features off? Thanks.

Noticed exactly the same on my mates gs3 - it was unusable, up to 3 seconds till home launcher and frequent redraws.
Samsung completely kills androids performance, and for that price and hardware its a shame.
Thats why many people prefer apple - my iPod Touch with 200 apps still runned better than my mates gs3 for almost the double price with 50 apps. Android is getting very, very slow after some use. Calls, sms, apps, after every month you'll loose lets say 10% of performance, related to how you use your phone, more performance loss in the beginning, less after some use.
And touchwiz makes everything sloooww :/
You only notice, when you install 300 apps on iPhone and gs4. Gs4 will lag, I can gurantee.
Especially 4.2.2 was a kind of downgrade, lots things are "tasty" things, you may like or not.
IF Google could bring beak Gingerbreads performance and ram managment + project butter and some new features on android 5.0, I would marry them

I just did this video about 10 minutes ago and would like to get some input on it. I will try to do when in more depth video when I have time.

MattMJB0188 said:
I just did this video about 10 minutes ago and would like to get some input on it. I will try to do when in more depth video when I have time.
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on your second video i notice the sluggishness start around 55 seconds.
What settings did you turn on? S beam, NFC, Air Gesture... ETC ???
Is your Model made in China or Korea?

hyghonryce said:
on your second video i notice the sluggishness start around 55 seconds.
What settings did you turn on? S beam, NFC, Air Gesture... ETC ???
Is your Model made in China or Korea?
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All of those were off and my model was made in Korea.

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All of those were off and my model was made in Korea.
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Well based on the polls. They said the korean one has lag but it's minimal. and it appears to be quite minimal on your phone. so it's "normal".