I was next to an iPhone 4 user video chatting with them using fring and their front facing camera is way better then our EVO's front camera. We were in the same low lighting right next to each other and his picture was light and crispy, seeing all his facial features as if we were in high lighting. On the other hand the EVO was all dark and I couldn't see any facial features at all. I always have to have it extra bright. Why is that? I thought our camera was better? Is there anyway to fix it? I hope, because I thought the EVO was was better than the Iphone4 in every way.
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I was next to an iPhone 4 user video chatting with them using fring and their front facing camera is way better then our EVO's front camera. We were in the same low lighting right next to each other and his picture was light and crispy, seeing all his facial features as if we were in high lighting. On the other hand the EVO was all dark and I couldn't see any facial features at all. I always have to have it extra bright. Why is that? I thought our camera was better? Is there anyway to fix it? I hope, because I thought the EVO was was better than the Iphone4 in every way.
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Um.. no. Its not better in every way. The 4 has better video recording, higher rez display, and arguably, is "sexier" ... did I mention its sheeple approved?
What our phones have over the iPhone 4 is Android, 4G, bigger display, a better carrier (in my opinion, having come from AT$T.) And the ability to make a god dammed phone call.
Im actually surpised you say the front cam is better as the EVO HAS A HIGHER RES FRONT CAM.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
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Um.. no. Its not better in every way. The 4 has better video recording, higher rez display, and arguably, is "sexier" ... did I mention its sheeple approved?
What our phones have over the iPhone 4 is Android, 4G, bigger display, a better carrier (in my opinion, having come from AT$T.) And the ability to make a god dammed phone call.
Im actually surpised you say the front cam is better as the EVO HAS A HIGHER RES FRONT CAM.
...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
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I am too. I always put my EVO over iPhones in every way. But when I finally sat down and played with one the only thing I did notice to be reverently better was the camera and touch sensitivity. My friend is a big Apple fan boy and he just got his iPhone4 in a couple days ago and he always try to compare his iPhone 4 to my EVO.
Resolution doesn't mean better quality.
So I don't even own an EVO, I'm still using my trusty HD2, but I came across this today and it's possibly the best thing I've ever seen... thought some people here might appreciate it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=related
I've read the camera is actually the same tech/hardware/manufacturer (higher resolution), its just the software/driver is different. At least, that's what I read...
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QFT more resolution just means more pixels, which means nothing if the sensor isnt larger.
im not sure what sensor chips both phones use, but be aware just because IT HAS MORE MP;S zomgmggew doesnt make it any better a camera.
<--psst i used to be a professonal photographer, until i got this sweet job in IT.
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I've read the camera is actually the same tech/hardware/manufacturer (higher resolution), its just the software/driver is different. At least, that's what I read...
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Yeah it is a driver problem. HTC is just too lazy (understandble considering how Apple releases 1 phone a year, HTC 20+)
Evo has a higher end camera chip from the same manufacture as the iPhone.
That's funny every time I see it. Honestly though the video in general on my Evo kinda sucks, my hd always freezes and then the audio is way out of sync. Looks good if it doesn't freeze and my front facing camera is about as good as the web camera on my network. The wvga video is still pretty good for a phone though.
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fact of life, evo's camera blows compared to iphones unless your in direct sun lol....
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fact of life, evo's camera blows compared to iphones unless your in direct sun lol....
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As much as i hate to admit it. It's true.
evo camera is horrid, iphone 4 is the best camera on a phone to date and I hate apple
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So I don't even own an EVO, I'm still using my trusty HD2, but I came across this today and it's possibly the best thing I've ever seen... thought some people here might appreciate it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg&feature=related
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is the camera on the HD2 better than the TouchHD.
This is the only thing i wasnt happy with on my touch HD, the camera was unacceptable in anything but daylight conditions.
My older N95 took great pictures in all conditions, the video was even acceptable when filmed in a dark night club, infact the sound was clearly audible from very loud gigs, where as every other phone ive seen was just distorted.
While Id love to progress from Touch HD to HD2, I am unwilling to accept poor camera performance in favour of a large screen.
The I phone is not an option for me either, as I know the camera on that is even worse than the Touch HD.
Please let me know your thoughts on the HD2 camera (ignoring the pink screen problem which is no doubt fixable soon)
Thanks
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And that helps him how???
I find the camera on the HD2 better than the camera on the HD, but not amazingly so. I still occassionaly take blurred shots, but it's quicker, and let's face it - it's got a flash!
So the speed and the flash definitely improve the performance, but it's still not an amazing camera. I'll certainly be happier using this than my HD though.
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I find the camera on the HD2 better than the camera on the HD, but not amazingly so. I still occassionaly take blurred shots, but it's quicker, and let's face it - it's got a flash!
So the speed and the flash definitely improve the performance, but it's still not an amazing camera. I'll certainly be happier using this than my HD though.
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This seems to be the general consensus - better than the Touch HD but not even close to the quality of the camera on the N95.
The camera is amazingly better.
1) Much higher light sensitivity --> less noise, less blur in dark conditions
2) Much faster, focuses automatically, immediately takes the picture when you press the button
3) The flash is great, easily illuminates a room of up to 20qm or objects in up to 4m distance in darkness
The camera is amazing. Much much better than the one in the HD. Of course still not good as cameras found in some camera/dumbphones, but very good for a smartphone. Much better than most competing smartphones, like tue Droid or iPhone.
Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD, there you can see how much better it is: http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=147444
ah, excellent.
Thanks to everyone who left constructive advice, the HD2 is greatly improved.
Thats definately given me more confidence.
So have they solved the pink photo problem?
acutally i think the camera is fine, maybe the flash is a bt too bright but takes good pics.
i found that on the white balance option if i changed it to the icon that looks like an upside down light bulb the pink hue disappeared! and took great pics.
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ah, excellent.
Thanks to everyone who left constructive advice, the HD2 is greatly improved.
Thats definately given me more confidence.
So have they solved the pink photo problem?
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It would be better to keep this question locked to the topic that is covering it don't you think....
Otherwise you are going to get fragmented disinformation where one topic is saying one thing whilst the other could be saying different.
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Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD, there you can see how much better it is: http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=147444
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Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD where you can see how much worse the HD2 is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4958710&postcount=27
Note particularly the third and fourth images, and how much more detail the HD captures.
EDIT: I include this in the interests of balanced reporting, I make no claim that it is necessarily any more authoritative than maati's link - peruse both and make your own mind up.
The best improvement on this "side" in the new LED flash... but except this.... It's the best HTC camera I've tested (including Magic / Hero)... but it's still an HTC camera
@Shasarak
I honestly can't believe that those shots are from the HD. I've still got an HD myself and the HD2's camera is a HUGE improvement. Nothing less than amazing, except for the 'pink spot issue'.
Look at this: HTC Touch HD is on top, HD2 at the bottom.
(I've even done several pictures with the HD and I took the best one!)
And this is in good conditions! In bad conditions, the difference becomes enormous, because the HD2's sensor has greatly improved light sensitivity.
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HTC uses the same cameras as other manufacturers do. They don't make those chips themselves, they buy them from the same suppliers that other handset makers get their chips from. The only difference is software.
I don't know why people always think that HTC cameras are worse than those used by others, because that's clearly not true. Of course thicker handsets like Nokias or some Sony Ericsson ones have better cameras because they can use bigger sensors and optics, but HTC's cameras are just as good as others in comparable (i.e. thin) phones.
Hi guys, new to the Aria forums. Just wanted to say how impressed I am with this little device. I have an HTC EVO and just received an ARIA as my work phone and I am really loving it. I catch myself using it more than the EVO for a lot. It's definitely a snappy android device!
Craziest thing I noticed right off the bat is how nice shots are on the Aria. The Evo has a pretty lousy camera IMO but when I compared it to the Aria I was really shocked.
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Same thing applies for video clips. The Aria wins. Definitely a cool device! It's nice to see a good little smartphone that's not getting as large as the recent devices out.
it seems like the Evo's pic has wrong focus (the bottle is out of focus) and it's a little overexposed.
Anyway, I have only the Aria, it's good to know how it's compared to others. Thanks.
You are right. But I've had the evo since launch, took a lot of pics. Aria still nicer imo. I should snag a more focused shot. Thanks.
It is definitely tough to grab a good focused shot on the EVO.
ARIA:
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awesome comparison looks like they focused too much on EVO's "speedy" hardware and not enough on the camera quality. i know majority of smartphone buyers want 3 things...1. resononable battery life, 2. easy mass texting 3. and camera quality good enough to replace a digital camera.
I should post two videos in comparison as well. The EVO owners all agree, our "720p camcorders" are lousy.
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I should post two videos in comparison as well. The EVO owners all agree, our "720p camcorders" are lousy.
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please do man. i would love to see the comparison and what the hype is about having 720p capabilities. so far as youtube videos go...recording with the standard video recording Aria is fine.
I love HTC and Android devices, and the EVO is a slick device but it is really lacking in a few key areas. Anyway I am away from my PC now so I won't be able to load any vids up. I should do some outdoor stuff because the low light vids I have I would say are borderline unwatchable.
seems to me the weakpoint of the arias video capabilites come not from the actual video, but from the audio capturing.
I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
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I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
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unfortunately , i agree with you cinnamon - i have a very difficult time even getting semi-quality out of this camera
Those pictures of the Rolling Rock are some of the best i have seen from an Aria.
The aria has a lot of potential. Despite it's processor. It's a snappy little device
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unfortunately , i agree with you cinnamon - i have a very difficult time even getting semi-quality out of this camera
Those pictures of the Rolling Rock are some of the best i have seen from an Aria.
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my Aria takes reasonable quality pictures, esp. outdoors.
i once had blurry/foggy pictures turned out that the lens was dusty.
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I just got my Aria, and the camera takes horrible pictures - very blurry (and I hold still and hold my breath). Are there some settings you would recommend?
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I recommend Camera 360 Pro - hands down AWESOME for taking photos! You can apply effects that'll make it look like you own a DSLR. And you HAVE to have a very steady hand - there is virtually no image stabilization for these devices despite what options you may see - the "software" image stabilization plain sucks. I usually find something to rest the phone on if at all possible for the best shots.
Here ya go.....
Once i let my camera gather enough dust to yield this picture
I dominated your screen; thats right.
After taking a few pictures with my Aria I was amazed at how crisp my pictures were.
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I recommend Camera 360 Pro - hands down AWESOME for taking photos! You can apply effects that'll make it look like you own a DSLR. And you HAVE to have a very steady hand - there is virtually no image stabilization for these devices despite what options you may see - the "software" image stabilization plain sucks. I usually find something to rest the phone on if at all possible for the best shots.
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Agree - i like Camera 360 Pro +1
I can actually say I haven't been able to take 1 clear picture with flash. Is there something wrong with my phone? I have a fairly steady hand, I used to be a DSLR photographer and never had any problems. What gives to this? here are some examples, not even a moving object. These pictures are taken stabilized on my knee
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R.I.P., Left Shift key.
As a rule, indoor pictures with the Evo are just poor quality. Outside, they're crystal clear, but even with the flash, when you're inside the camera is adjusting the exposure to the ambient light, which means grainy, blurry pics. There are some tweaks you can do to minimize this (white balance, exposure defaults, etc.) but in general it's just not that great.
Same with video: If you're inside, the camcorder drops down to, like, 8-10fps capture. Outside it does much better. It's all about the ambient lighting.
the lighting looks bad, and plus you gotta click in the pic to focus it and then hold down the shutter button untill you see your pic, thats the only way i can take pics
Look closely and see if your lens cover is cracked.
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Look closely and see if your lens cover is cracked.
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Why would that matter?
Check out this article, it is a good demonstration of how the lens (or in this case, lens cover) really has a very minimal effect - if any - on image quality.
The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls
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The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls
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You're being sarcastic, right? Surely a troll would get 41 posts without being found out.
Are you using the netarchy kernel? I have had similar issues with photos using flash with fresh and the netarchy kernel. Switching back to stock fixed it for me.
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You're being sarcastic, right? Surely a troll would get 41 posts without being found out.
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So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?
If you were a good troll, you would be doing this on the iPhone site about an EVO. You might just make a few iP4 users' heads explode.
wow ip4 a better phone really go back to your hole in the wall oh wait no ur still stuck behind the walled garden
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So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?
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A better phone? No. Takes better pics and video, yes. Taking better pics / video doesn't make you a better phone. Making calls with reception makes a better pho... oh wait
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Why would that matter?
Check out this article, it is a good demonstration of how the lens (or in this case, lens cover) really has a very minimal effect - if any - on image quality.
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Because mine is cracked and it true focusing on the crack, rather than the subject.
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i cant beleive, or i missed, no one pointing this out.
you are friggin shaking in the picture dude.
no picture will look good when there is movement.
but i side with you, my camera compared to my wifes camera is garbage.
my wifes takes consistantly better video and stills than mine does.
mine will show the camera focusing and all it does is focus near then far, then stops, it never stops on the right focus point, you can see where it focuses right on past it.
if there was a hack to allow a slider for focus that would be kick ass.
after some time and practice it would be easy to use the slider for focus.
but my shots such ass, big time.
if i Zoom in it will focus much better than if it isnt.
so i am not sure where the focus point is compared to where you place your finger but it isnt where you place your finger thats for sure.
It sounds like a problem my phone seemed to have in the beginning; it would focus and then stop auto focus a little blurry. I don't know what fixed it, but after I had the phone a few weeks, the issue seemed to go away. Now I can take pretty clear and amazingly focused photos.
As for the iPhone troll, I ignored him as I was on a website viewing some flash content on my phone just after I got done with a video conference on 3G . I then made a phone call and held the phone with both hands without dropping the call.
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So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?
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Just wondering why you would post on the Evo forum only to say that the iPhone is better, especially when it's really subjective to say that. You must admit, that is rather troll-ish.
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You do know that the camera tech is almost identical? Only thing that is changing the "quality" of the pictures/video is software + compression.
Another typical oblivious iPhone user...
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I'm pretty satisfied with the quality of the onboard camera. I'm actually selling off my DSLR / lenses and using this phone as my sole camera.
holy !!! u kidding me?
u used the tilt shift effect on that camera pro thing rite...
amazingg quality!!!
i have yet to play around with mine!
wow amazing photos there!!
Which app did you use to get the tilt-shift look?
don't sell your DSLR...unless you use Nikon and you want to sell me something cheap
I did the tilt shift in Photoshop because no app really gives me the control I want.
Vignette does a decent job for a generic tilt shift focus and Photoshop Express can modify the colors moderately well to finish it off.
I still prefer doing it manually.
woot Seattle!
were you visiting?
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woot Seattle!
were you visiting?
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Heading back to SF in a couple weeks.
Haha those pictures are sweet! Glad you got to go to a game though - I haven't been to Qwest this season yet. I should probably fix that when the pre-season ends.
Can't wait to show these to customers. I love selling this phone.
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I'm pretty satisfied with the quality of the onboard camera. I'm actually selling off my DSLR / lenses and using this phone as my sole camera.
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If you are comparing this camera with a DSLR, you are using your DSLR wrong. I think the camera is decent for a camera phone, but this thing doesnt come close to my Canon T2i.
Shane_pcs said:
If you are comparing this camera with a DSLR, you are using your DSLR wrong. I think the camera is decent for a camera phone, but this thing doesnt come close to my Canon T2i.
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There is no wrong or right way to use a DSLR. Can you fit a 10 lbs setup in your pocket? No?
/thread
The best camera is the one you have with you.
Those are nice shots, how much post in photoshop did you do?
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The best camera is the one you have with you.
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Amen!
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Those are nice shots, how much post in photoshop did you do?
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100% of all my pictures go through levels > selective colors > crop > sharpening.
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I'm pretty satisfied with the quality of the onboard camera. I'm actually selling off my DSLR / lenses and using this phone as my sole camera.
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The camera on this phone is great and I really like my phone. But replacing a DSLR with a 5 mpx with a cmos sensor like 10 times smaller is not something I would recommend. But hey, it's your camera right If quality is not your primary concern then why not? As far as quality is concerned, I don't think ill see the sensor in a phone get up to a APSC size anytime soon. Don't misunderstand me, im in no way undermining your decision to do so. Just laying it out straight. I have the Pentax K-x DSLR and the difference in detail is literally night and day. Btw, I love your post processing dude. Great job. Tiltshift is awesome.
it looks almost like you took pictures of miniature sets. Looks great!
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Your joking right? This is a great little cam for a cell phone, but not even close to dslr quality.
Cool pics btw... Good subjects for the tilt/shift effect.
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There is no wrong or right way to use a DSLR. Can you fit a 10 lbs setup in your pocket? No?
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There is when you have a 2yr old and a 5 yr old. My sammy takes fine pictures of stuff to sell on craiglist, but no matter how you configure it, my kids look like flash gordon.
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Your joking right? This is a great little cam for a cell phone, but not even close to dslr quality.
Cool pics btw... Good subjects for the tilt/shift effect.
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Never said the quality of my phone is close to my DSLR.
Thanks
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There is when you have a 2yr old and a 5 yr old. My sammy takes fine pictures of stuff to sell on craiglist, but no matter how you configure it, my kids look like flash gordon.
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Care to post some examples?
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The camera on this phone is great and I really like my phone. But replacing a DSLR with a 5 mpx with a cmos sensor like 10 times smaller is not something I would recommend. But hey, it's your camera right If quality is not your primary concern then why not? As far as quality is concerned, I don't think ill see the sensor in a phone get up to a APSC size anytime soon. Don't misunderstand me, im in no way undermining your decision to do so. Just laying it out straight. I have the Pentax K-x DSLR and the difference in detail is literally night and day. Btw, I love your post processing dude. Great job. Tiltshift is awesome.
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Compactness and portability is more important to me now then quality. I have a few L series lenses that I've already sold off. I don't want lug my 20lb setup with me everywhere I go anymore. Something that fits in my pocket is much more desirable (and cheaper).
Here are some comparison shots from my Atrix compared to pics from my iPhone 4. Most of them are very different......
Some of these are in low light, but all are on default - automatic settings, and iPhone 4 has HDR turned off. Flash is on Auto on both also and it came on the exact same shots so there should be no difference there.
Feel free to post more comparisons. The Atrix shots are 1st and iPhone 4 2nd btw.
iPhone 4 vs Motorola Atrix Camera - a set on Flickr
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wow thats pretty bad...
u sure u did everything right lol
The iphone has a backlit sensor and I don't think the Atrix does... it simply has a better camera sensor so this is no surprised to me =\
the iphone does have a tendency to oversaturate its pictures though...
that's pretty bad :'(
engadget was lying then when they said that the camera was good enough to use it on a daily basis
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that's pretty bad :'(
engadget was lying then when they said that the camera was good enough to use it on a daily basis
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Maybe its better outside and that's how they tested. I'll try it out today.
I'm no camera expert, but the Atrix camera is great (but not as good as the iPhone 4). It could be much greater if it fixed the lighting control issues. Too much light. Too much JPEG compression, too.
I've definitely gotten better results than the ones above, but the camera isn't as good as the iP4's. I don't generally factor the camera into my phone buying decision too much, but it's nice to be able to get a good shot. I've had an x10, iP4, Captivate and Inspire most recently. The x10 and iP4 had the best cams. I wouldn't go back to any of them because of it though.
btw, I like that table
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Maybe its better outside and that's how they tested. I'll try it out today.
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WOW
that sucks. we need more of this, and it would nice to see a captivate vs atrix comparison.
And inspire vs atrix comparison would be useful as well.
It's also not as good as the Captivate, but it is by far not the worst.
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WOW
that sucks. we need more of this, and it would nice to see a captivate vs atrix comparison.
And inspire vs atrix comparison would be useful as well.
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Captivate
Atrix
These were 2 quick shots and I think the flash was reflecting heavily off of the guitar in the shot.
lol, and seeing them both blown up they both look like crap. My bad.
Same photo with the winmo htc tilt:
Outdoor pics.
Captivate
Atrix
Honestly, the atrix is probably closer to what your eyes see. Which isnt always as pretty as a camera picks up.
iPhone 4 tends to saturate the **** out of pictures especially inside. Those actually dont look all that bad.
Well one thing is for sure, There is a purplish hue in its pictures.
Even on the first page the Atrix photo's look more "real".
Iphone even the 3gs does SOOOO much processing to an image it's not really a reflection of the hardware... Iphone pictures look better because of MUCH better processing software.
My 3gs iphone can take nicer looking shots in CERTAIN cases then even a older canon 5 or 6mp dedicated camera.
I think the Atrix pictures are great... there is a bit of blue/purple hue but I think a better camera app would probably fix that.