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HD2 Camera

is the camera on the HD2 better than the TouchHD.
This is the only thing i wasnt happy with on my touch HD, the camera was unacceptable in anything but daylight conditions.
My older N95 took great pictures in all conditions, the video was even acceptable when filmed in a dark night club, infact the sound was clearly audible from very loud gigs, where as every other phone ive seen was just distorted.
While Id love to progress from Touch HD to HD2, I am unwilling to accept poor camera performance in favour of a large screen.
The I phone is not an option for me either, as I know the camera on that is even worse than the Touch HD.
Please let me know your thoughts on the HD2 camera (ignoring the pink screen problem which is no doubt fixable soon)
Thanks

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And that helps him how???
I find the camera on the HD2 better than the camera on the HD, but not amazingly so. I still occassionaly take blurred shots, but it's quicker, and let's face it - it's got a flash!
So the speed and the flash definitely improve the performance, but it's still not an amazing camera. I'll certainly be happier using this than my HD though.

johncmolyneux said:
I find the camera on the HD2 better than the camera on the HD, but not amazingly so. I still occassionaly take blurred shots, but it's quicker, and let's face it - it's got a flash!
So the speed and the flash definitely improve the performance, but it's still not an amazing camera. I'll certainly be happier using this than my HD though.
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This seems to be the general consensus - better than the Touch HD but not even close to the quality of the camera on the N95.

The camera is amazingly better.
1) Much higher light sensitivity --> less noise, less blur in dark conditions
2) Much faster, focuses automatically, immediately takes the picture when you press the button
3) The flash is great, easily illuminates a room of up to 20qm or objects in up to 4m distance in darkness
The camera is amazing. Much much better than the one in the HD. Of course still not good as cameras found in some camera/dumbphones, but very good for a smartphone. Much better than most competing smartphones, like tue Droid or iPhone.
Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD, there you can see how much better it is: http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=147444

ah, excellent.
Thanks to everyone who left constructive advice, the HD2 is greatly improved.
Thats definately given me more confidence.
So have they solved the pink photo problem?

acutally i think the camera is fine, maybe the flash is a bt too bright but takes good pics.
i found that on the white balance option if i changed it to the icon that looks like an upside down light bulb the pink hue disappeared! and took great pics.

futurama said:
ah, excellent.
Thanks to everyone who left constructive advice, the HD2 is greatly improved.
Thats definately given me more confidence.
So have they solved the pink photo problem?
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It would be better to keep this question locked to the topic that is covering it don't you think....
Otherwise you are going to get fragmented disinformation where one topic is saying one thing whilst the other could be saying different.

maati said:
Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD, there you can see how much better it is: http://www.ppc-welt.info/community/showthread.php?t=147444
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Here's some comparison shots between the HD2 and the HD where you can see how much worse the HD2 is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4958710&postcount=27
Note particularly the third and fourth images, and how much more detail the HD captures.
EDIT: I include this in the interests of balanced reporting, I make no claim that it is necessarily any more authoritative than maati's link - peruse both and make your own mind up.

The best improvement on this "side" in the new LED flash... but except this.... It's the best HTC camera I've tested (including Magic / Hero)... but it's still an HTC camera

@Shasarak
I honestly can't believe that those shots are from the HD. I've still got an HD myself and the HD2's camera is a HUGE improvement. Nothing less than amazing, except for the 'pink spot issue'.
Look at this: HTC Touch HD is on top, HD2 at the bottom.
(I've even done several pictures with the HD and I took the best one!)
And this is in good conditions! In bad conditions, the difference becomes enormous, because the HD2's sensor has greatly improved light sensitivity.
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HTC uses the same cameras as other manufacturers do. They don't make those chips themselves, they buy them from the same suppliers that other handset makers get their chips from. The only difference is software.
I don't know why people always think that HTC cameras are worse than those used by others, because that's clearly not true. Of course thicker handsets like Nokias or some Sony Ericsson ones have better cameras because they can use bigger sensors and optics, but HTC's cameras are just as good as others in comparable (i.e. thin) phones.

Consistent blurry pictures with flash *big picture warning*

I can actually say I haven't been able to take 1 clear picture with flash. Is there something wrong with my phone? I have a fairly steady hand, I used to be a DSLR photographer and never had any problems. What gives to this? here are some examples, not even a moving object. These pictures are taken stabilized on my knee
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R.I.P., Left Shift key.
As a rule, indoor pictures with the Evo are just poor quality. Outside, they're crystal clear, but even with the flash, when you're inside the camera is adjusting the exposure to the ambient light, which means grainy, blurry pics. There are some tweaks you can do to minimize this (white balance, exposure defaults, etc.) but in general it's just not that great.
Same with video: If you're inside, the camcorder drops down to, like, 8-10fps capture. Outside it does much better. It's all about the ambient lighting.

the lighting looks bad, and plus you gotta click in the pic to focus it and then hold down the shutter button untill you see your pic, thats the only way i can take pics

Look closely and see if your lens cover is cracked.
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awakener777 said:
Look closely and see if your lens cover is cracked.
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Why would that matter?
Check out this article, it is a good demonstration of how the lens (or in this case, lens cover) really has a very minimal effect - if any - on image quality.

The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls

Classick206 said:
The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls
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You're being sarcastic, right? Surely a troll would get 41 posts without being found out.

Are you using the netarchy kernel? I have had similar issues with photos using flash with fresh and the netarchy kernel. Switching back to stock fixed it for me.

SilverZero said:
You're being sarcastic, right? Surely a troll would get 41 posts without being found out.
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So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?

If you were a good troll, you would be doing this on the iPhone site about an EVO. You might just make a few iP4 users' heads explode.

wow ip4 a better phone really go back to your hole in the wall oh wait no ur still stuck behind the walled garden

Classick206 said:
So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?
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A better phone? No. Takes better pics and video, yes. Taking better pics / video doesn't make you a better phone. Making calls with reception makes a better pho... oh wait

SilverZero said:
Why would that matter?
Check out this article, it is a good demonstration of how the lens (or in this case, lens cover) really has a very minimal effect - if any - on image quality.
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Because mine is cracked and it true focusing on the crack, rather than the subject.
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i cant beleive, or i missed, no one pointing this out.
you are friggin shaking in the picture dude.
no picture will look good when there is movement.
but i side with you, my camera compared to my wifes camera is garbage.
my wifes takes consistantly better video and stills than mine does.
mine will show the camera focusing and all it does is focus near then far, then stops, it never stops on the right focus point, you can see where it focuses right on past it.
if there was a hack to allow a slider for focus that would be kick ass.
after some time and practice it would be easy to use the slider for focus.
but my shots such ass, big time.
if i Zoom in it will focus much better than if it isnt.
so i am not sure where the focus point is compared to where you place your finger but it isnt where you place your finger thats for sure.

It sounds like a problem my phone seemed to have in the beginning; it would focus and then stop auto focus a little blurry. I don't know what fixed it, but after I had the phone a few weeks, the issue seemed to go away. Now I can take pretty clear and amazingly focused photos.
As for the iPhone troll, I ignored him as I was on a website viewing some flash content on my phone just after I got done with a video conference on 3G . I then made a phone call and held the phone with both hands without dropping the call.

Classick206 said:
So I'm a troll because I can identify a better phone when I see one?
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Just wondering why you would post on the Evo forum only to say that the iPhone is better, especially when it's really subjective to say that. You must admit, that is rather troll-ish.

Classick206 said:
The only fix is to buy the superior phone...
inb4cantmakecalls
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You do know that the camera tech is almost identical? Only thing that is changing the "quality" of the pictures/video is software + compression.
Another typical oblivious iPhone user...

Atrix 5MP Camera vs............

Here are some comparison shots from my Atrix compared to pics from my iPhone 4. Most of them are very different......
Some of these are in low light, but all are on default - automatic settings, and iPhone 4 has HDR turned off. Flash is on Auto on both also and it came on the exact same shots so there should be no difference there.
Feel free to post more comparisons. The Atrix shots are 1st and iPhone 4 2nd btw.
iPhone 4 vs Motorola Atrix Camera - a set on Flickr
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wow thats pretty bad...
u sure u did everything right lol

The iphone has a backlit sensor and I don't think the Atrix does... it simply has a better camera sensor so this is no surprised to me =\
the iphone does have a tendency to oversaturate its pictures though...

that's pretty bad :'(
engadget was lying then when they said that the camera was good enough to use it on a daily basis

emudojo said:
that's pretty bad :'(
engadget was lying then when they said that the camera was good enough to use it on a daily basis
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Maybe its better outside and that's how they tested. I'll try it out today.

I'm no camera expert, but the Atrix camera is great (but not as good as the iPhone 4). It could be much greater if it fixed the lighting control issues. Too much light. Too much JPEG compression, too.

I've definitely gotten better results than the ones above, but the camera isn't as good as the iP4's. I don't generally factor the camera into my phone buying decision too much, but it's nice to be able to get a good shot. I've had an x10, iP4, Captivate and Inspire most recently. The x10 and iP4 had the best cams. I wouldn't go back to any of them because of it though.
btw, I like that table

dsjr2006 said:
Maybe its better outside and that's how they tested. I'll try it out today.
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WOW
that sucks. we need more of this, and it would nice to see a captivate vs atrix comparison.
And inspire vs atrix comparison would be useful as well.

It's also not as good as the Captivate, but it is by far not the worst.

doug7 said:
WOW
that sucks. we need more of this, and it would nice to see a captivate vs atrix comparison.
And inspire vs atrix comparison would be useful as well.
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Captivate
Atrix
These were 2 quick shots and I think the flash was reflecting heavily off of the guitar in the shot.

lol, and seeing them both blown up they both look like crap. My bad.

Same photo with the winmo htc tilt:

Outdoor pics.
Captivate
Atrix

Honestly, the atrix is probably closer to what your eyes see. Which isnt always as pretty as a camera picks up.
iPhone 4 tends to saturate the **** out of pictures especially inside. Those actually dont look all that bad.

Well one thing is for sure, There is a purplish hue in its pictures.

Even on the first page the Atrix photo's look more "real".
Iphone even the 3gs does SOOOO much processing to an image it's not really a reflection of the hardware... Iphone pictures look better because of MUCH better processing software.
My 3gs iphone can take nicer looking shots in CERTAIN cases then even a older canon 5 or 6mp dedicated camera.
I think the Atrix pictures are great... there is a bit of blue/purple hue but I think a better camera app would probably fix that.

Is the camera that bad in real life?

Hello,
This weekend I spent some time at a store playing with a G2 and was very impressed!
Excellent performance, right size and drop dead gorgeous screen.
I am considering getting one, but I have been reading some complaints here on XDA about the camera.
My question is how bad is the camera in real life?
I currently have an iPhone 5 and use the camera a lot. I shoot in all lighting conditions and everything from landscapes, city scapes, portraits, candids, food... I also shoot a lot of social pics in low light and indoors of friends gathering on coffe shops and clubs and such. In these situations, the iPhone delivers pics that are a bit noise, but plenty useful on the small screen and on Facebook and such.
I was just wondering if the camera on the G2 is on the same league as the iPhone 5, better, or worse.
What's your take?
Cheers!

In my experience autofocus in a dimly lit setting (e.g. in a restaurant) suck pretty hard. My girlfriend's iPhone 4 handily outperformed my LG G2 in focusing. Once the focus is set, however, it takes a good photo.

gdourado said:
Hello,
This weekend I spent some time at a store playing with a G2 and was very impressed!
Excellent performance, right size and drop dead gorgeous screen.
I am considering getting one, but I have been reading some complaints here on XDA about the camera.
My question is how bad is the camera in real life?
I currently have an iPhone 5 and use the camera a lot. I shoot in all lighting conditions and everything from landscapes, city scapes, portraits, candids, food... I also shoot a lot of social pics in low light and indoors of friends gathering on coffe shops and clubs and such. In these situations, the iPhone delivers pics that are a bit noise, but plenty useful on the small screen and on Facebook and such.
I was just wondering if the camera on the G2 is on the same league as the iPhone 5, better, or worse.
What's your take?
Cheers!
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Its better of course...But the camera software needs fine tuning,in order to be really good.But to take a great pic you need to sit and learn the camera options.Its not like an iphone that has pretty much only one mode for almost everything.

Intelligent Auto mode works pretty well for just about any situation. The de-noise setting in low light situations is too much though.
You can use one of the custom camera's from here on the forums and it will give a bit better quality and it also will focus faster.

G2 crushes the iPhone 5s. (At least in this particular scenario)
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5s on the left... stock camera apps on both. I used Intelligent Auto w/ Flash on the G2.

brad piff said:
G2 crushes the iPhone 5s. (At least in this particular scenario)
5s on the left... stock camera apps on both. I used Intelligent Auto w/ Flash on the G2.
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I wouldnt use intel auto at night pics especialy with flash on.Normal will flash will make them look alot better.Also it will focus and take apic alot faster.

woof123 said:
I wouldnt use intel auto at night pics especialy with flash on.Normal will flash will make them look less processed.Also it will focus and take apic alot faster.
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Dunno, I've tried a lot of pictures with flash on and without I.A. and the results were pretty bad.

brad piff said:
G2 crushes the iPhone 5s. (At least in this particular scenario)
5s on the left... stock camera apps on both. I used Intelligent Auto w/ Flash on the G2.
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Nice example.
That is the type of comparison I am looking for.
In good light, I am guessing they will both perform well.
Cheers!

gdourado said:
Nice example.
That is the type of comparison I am looking for.
In good light, I am guessing they will both perform well.
Cheers!
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I'd agree, most cameras in the modern age work pretty damn good in well lit conditions. I really like this camera... I had a Nexus 4 before and this is night and day as far as quality is concerned.
Night time shot.
http://instagram.com/p/fgwstYwe4b/
That's the colored version... couldn't get the image URL!

brad piff said:
Dunno, I've tried a lot of pictures with flash on and without I.A. and the results were pretty bad.
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Play with the settings abit.I.A process the pics to much,when its used in low light conditions,normal mod isnt.

Show off those pics!

I'll start posting more pictures after I get done work today, here's a teaser.
Stock Camera app, HDR on, manual focus, 16:9 widescreen 15.5 megapixel mode.
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When you say stock Google camera, do you mean the Motorola camera?

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When you say stock Google camera, do you mean the Motorola camera?
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I don't know why I put Google there, I just meant to say stock camera app lol, thanks for the heads up.
Maybe the Google keyboard did it on its own. ?

joshm.1219 said:
I'll start posting more pictures after I get done work today, here's a teaser.
Stock Camera app, HDR on, manual focus, 16:9 widescreen 15.5 megapixel mode.
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Very nice! Can post any just point and shoot? I am on the fence with this phone. The only thing holding me back in the camera. Cameras have not been that good in past Moto phones.....
Thanks!

jamezr said:
Very nice! Can post any just point and shoot? I am on the fence with this phone. The only thing holding me back in the camera. Cameras have not been that good in past Moto phones.....
Thanks!
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Real quick, point and shot in Auto Focus, Auto HDR mode. First one is widescreen, second is standard (4:3 full 21mp).

joshm.1219 said:
Real quick, point and shot in Auto Focus, Auto HDR mode. First one is widescreen, second is standard (4:3 full 21mp).
Those are great pics! Thanks!
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I definitely want ice cream now, good pics, thanks.

Looks pretty decent, although I'm more of a vanilla guy!

@ joshm.1219 What do you think of the camera compared to other phones you have owned? I recall you on the note II forums, does the camera perform much better all around?

everyone with a droid turbo, keep posting pictures, we want to see what you can do with those 20.7 megapixels!

Purchasing mine after work around 5pm est. My main focus right now is the camera since I'm pretty much impressed with everything about this phone when I messed around with store demo.
I'll post a whole bunch of shots and comparisons to my S5 around 8-9 est if all goes well. I did notice that reds were a bit over saturated in the samples I took at Verizon. Which was a big issue for me with my original Moto X.

This one is 21MP

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This one is 21MP
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Looks damn good, if people complain about that then they just need to use a DSLR.

Here is a couple from today....

Are these being alerted when uploaded? I assume they aren't 21MP files being uploaded to the forums

I think the problem is people have crazy expectations. Its a good camera but its never going to touch a dedicated camera with large sensors. I'm now switched to Google Camera because Moto one doesn't really seem to be much better.
These are using Moto camera still.

Low light shots I took while messing around with our prototype mini 3D printer this morning. Just quick snaps, no effort at all... Pretty impressive, although reds seem to be a little off -- oversaturated.
http://imgur.com/a/NMd58
However, I do have a post with some serious concerns about the camera (link below) that I need to further test this weekend.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/major-camera-issues-t2923916
I'll try to post more pictures throughout the day.

It's definitely hit or miss.
Outdoor HDR shot:
Indoor shot:
Indoor low light shot:

Stock app, no HDR, 21MP, didn't adjust the focus/exposure.
Taken at Anheuser-Busch in St. Louis.
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I'd have to say with the physical limits of sensor and aperture size the output is pretty decent and not overly over processed. A raw output would still be nice though.