Just heard from an EXTREMELY reliable source in TMO that the Galaxy S will be announced on June 19 and will be available sometime in July. I love my Slide but it's hard for me to pass up a package like the Galaxy S. My biggest concern is that it's a Samsung. My next concern is that the rooting effort for the Slide could potentially loose a great deal of steam when the Galaxy S is released.
While I haven't taken any of the Samsung Android devices seriously in the past, the Galaxy S specs are pretty impressive. I am absolutely satisfied with my MT3G Slide and with HTC. Currently I am still in my buyer's remorse period and have the option of returning the Slide. The purpose of the thread is just to help me not do something stupid like getting a Samsung Android device. My heart likes the idea of that beautifully big and bright AMOLED screen, 16gb of internal memory, 8mp camera and 1ghz CPU. My brain says "STICK WITH HTC".
What do you guys think?
UPDATE: both my wife and my MT3G Slides have light leaks in the plastic housing surrounding the touch screen (in the seam) . Dust has already gotten in under my screen. We are returning both devices as I refuse to handle this issue under warranty. It has been a nice run and I am extremely disappointed that I have to give this device back but the initial manufacturing run is defective. Hopefully they address the issue so I can buy one with confidence.
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Just heard from an EXTREMELY reliable source in TMO that the Galaxy S will be announced on June 19 and will be available sometime in July. I love my Slide but it's hard for me to pass up a package like the Galaxy S. My biggest concern is that it's a Samsung. My next concern is that the rooting effort for the Slide will loose a great deal of steam when the Galaxy S is released.
What do you guys think?
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na im still happy with my slide if the galaxy s was already out and i had to chose between the 2 it would still be the MyTouch slide hopefully root does come to the slide tho i know wesgarner and a few other devs are working on it
it's a difficult time to make decisions on a phone; Samsung up to this point has had a horrible record for updating their phones, copping out on a promise to upgrade the behold 2 to 2.0 and being incredibly slow on updating the moment; what good is it when the manufacturer won't update/release drivers compatible with the latest base code? The only thing that makes me feel good about the galaxy's future (despite being a top notch phone at its release spec wise) is that samsung is doing a massive release on it, which should increase their investment in the phone's support in a logical world.
The Mytouch slide, despite its midrange specs has performed well for me although its radio is far inferior to my old g1 on 3g reception and developer support for achieving root is minimal atm.
I read bad things about Samsung leaving the behold owners out to dry. Plus I prefer the option to use a physical keypad (especially when typing in passwords) and the galaxy S doesn't have a flash for the camera which is sort of a deal breaker for me.
but anyway I actually got my Slide for free because they made an "exception" for me . So I'm eligible for a full discount at the beginning of 2011 and we'll see what the next cool thing is then.
Was just out rolling around town running the MT3G Slide through the car stereo ... this phone is just luscious. I think I'm going to stick with HTC on this one rather than getting stuck with Samsung . The Slide is the perfect size and so far I have had no problems at all. I guess I'll just have to continue meditating on it but I'm leaning towards keeping it. I appreciate your continued thoughts on the issue as we take our new Slides through their steps.
Android that isn't HTC is a hard sell for me. Even the EVO and Driod are hard sells because Motorola makes crap products. Samsung phones are pretty terrible and the support they offer is just as terrible.
HTC for me
SAMSUCKS no thank you I was one of those that got burnt with the behold2
I'm well aware of the of samsung's flagship coming to tmo next month but no regrets for me cause I got this phone so I can bear waiting to see tmo's lineup at the end of the year. Lol This phone is TRULY awesome btw.
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I thought the beholdII incident would hender samsung. I'm straight with my myslide. Samsung ui's are always kiddie looking to me and I can't take a samsung serious because of it. Btw good luck with updates as past behavior dictates.
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galaxy s ..... s stands for sux
im sorry but has samsung ever had and good devs i have been down the road of motorola and i have to say it left me wanting . i have had htc phones before and loved them *cough cough dash* but even that was a good phone i say mt slides the way to go and screw any other company
Go Android Mofia
This thread really baked my noodle. I was planning to get a MT3G Slide at the end of the month... now I'm second guessing. I could give a rats ass about the keyboard on the slide, I just want it because its currently T-Mo's best android phone and my G1 needs an upgrade. One factor is cost... I am currently at the 18-month mark for my contract, so phones are a little more expensive for me. MT3G Slide is $270 for me. Steep, but I get to break it up over 4 months bills, so I can deal with it. I'm afraid this phone out of the gate will be costly, more so that I am willing to spend on a new phone. The other factor is development. My magic ball says the Slide will have pretty good dev support once it gets rooted. I fear the galaxy will end up on the back burner and not really have good dev support. I've not seen much dev support for non-HTC devices.
So, Slide has the benefit of being HTC, better UI, better dev support (I assume).
Galaxy will be faster, sleeker (would rather not have a keyboard), but I run the risk of having no software support for my expensive new hardware.
What to do?
Um, unless I'm missing something, the Galaxy doesn't have a physical keyboard, right? That will probably not make me feel bad for getting the Slide.
Edit: Removed Samsung bashing...
The Galaxy S is the only considerable Android device from Samsung in my opinion. I find it hard to believe that anyone purchased the "Behold2" as it was never even a remote consideration for me. I think the Galaxy S will be handled much differently, dev wise, than the crap fest that the "Behold2" very obviously was. I've pretty much decided to keep the Slide because it is very nearly perfect. Thanks again for the constructive discussion; this is why I rely on XDA. Friends don't let friends buy Samsung
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The Galaxy S is the only considerable Android device from Samsung in my opinion. I find it hard to believe that anyone purchased the "Behold2" as it was never even a remote consideration for me. I think the Galaxy S will be handled much differently, dev wise, than the crap fest that the "Behold2" very obviously was. I've pretty much decided to keep the Slide because it is very nearly perfect. Thanks again for the constructive discussion; this is why I rely on XDA. Friends don't let friends buy Samsung
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Thats funny, and I'm sure it will follow the behold II foot steps. have a lot of hype before release. Then once its released like 2 people will buy it and 1 person will take it back and the other does a terrible review of it.
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Android that isn't HTC is a hard sell for me. Even the EVO and Driod are hard sells because Motorola makes crap products. Samsung phones are pretty terrible and the support they offer is just as terrible.
HTC for me
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Just putting it out there... The EVO is HTC
Could Samsung be that dumb?
Dont get me wrong when it comes to mid/high range cells samsung fails miserably... Ive been working for The Mob (T-mobile) for 2 years and samsung has not impressed me at all... Now the Behold, memoir, and highlight are all the same crap phones that look different but are the same... When the behold 2 was released with android I was excitied then I saw how simular it was to the rest crap that samsung is. some new phones from samsung I noticed like the gravity-t has an android feel to it... a must *see* if you like phones in general... I was impressed for the first time by samsung... So thier mid level phones are getting pretty techy!
dang what im saying is Samsung cannot be that stupid to make the same mistake twice. The galaxy was in the works for about a year now, then pushed back. A lot of work is being put into this phone, not to mention the tablet version as well. Ive noticed a boost in Samsungs ability to make a high end "super" phone.
I think I will wait till I see the demo in store before I buy. But ladies and gents lets not for get Q4 is when new phones come out for the holiday. Dont be hasty, wait till then... the 1ghz processor is getting old as far as tech is concerned. but I doubt carriers will go beyond for at least a year. but maybe another NEXUS type with super-duper specs! lol
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Just putting it out there... The EVO is HTC
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Yea I re-read this today and saw that error lol. What I meant about the evo is that out of all the stuff I have read about it versus the N1 is that the N1 is fundamentally better . Sorry for the confusion and thanks for catching that lol.
As absolutely *****in as the Galaxy S looks, I just don't think I could do it. Samsung has burned too many bridges as far as I'm concerned, and they've made too many mistakes. I don't know that I could ever see Samsung as an equal to HTC when it came to a superphone. I know they've all got their problems, but I'll go with what I know and love for right now, and stick with the Slide.
Samsung sucks
As nice as the Galaxy looks, it lacks a keyboard, and its from Samsung..two deal breakers from me. I love my slide, its quick, it has a keyboard, and it handles high end games.
Why go to a samsung over a HTC? Everyone knows what happens with samsung phones. What's the main advantages over the slide? I feel there is none. The screen is better of coarse but who really complains about the mytouch slide's screen? It has a 1ghz processor but it has TouchWiz on it. If i recall Touchwiz killed the behold 2, and the slide only has 600mhz but it's so fast and I NEVER had an encounter with it being even close to slow. Mytouch slide will have everyone supporting it just like the g1, while the galaxy s won't even have close to that support.
I just don't seem whats the hype is all about. Am I missing something?
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Now that we know the Epic 4G is officially coming to sprint is anyone returning their evos?
Personally i think:
Epic 4G wins in:
graphics processing
CPU processing
Display (even though evos in bigger)
Evo 4G wins in:
Developers/XDA community (biggy for me)
Phone look (its just sexyyy)
High Res cam in front and back
Sense (even though i prefer vanilla)
Epic 4G loses in:
****ty Samsung Android "skin" w.e its called
SAMSUNG!!
No Devs.....
Evo 4G Loses in:
30 FPS - although a fix has been made thanks to our devs
There were more issues at launch but all of been fixed minus the screen separation which HTC is "looking into"......
So what do you guys say?
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Now that we know the Epic 4G is officially coming to sprint is anyone returning their evos?
Personally i think:
Epic 4G wins in:
graphics processing
CPU processing
Display super (even though evos in bigger)
Evo 4G wins in:
Developers/XDA community (biggy for me)
Phone look (its just sexyyy)
High Res cam in front and back
Sense (even though i prefer vanilla)
Epic 4G loses in:
****ty Samsung Android "skin" w.e its called
SAMSUNG!!
No Devs.....
Evo 4G Loses in:
30 FPS - although a fix has been made thanks to our devs
There were more issues at launch but all of been fixed minus the screen separation which HTC is "looking into"......
So what do you guys say?
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I say Evo wins and you're gonna get an eyeful for making this thread in the development board.
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I say Evo wins and you're gonna get an eyeful for making this thread in the development board.
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Ya ****t ...... i just realised..... sorry everyone... MODs plsssss move to general
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Ya ****t ...... i just realised..... sorry everyone... MODs plsssss move to general
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Epic 4g is still going to be a WIN... i wouldnt trade my EVO for it... but i def. will get one when its out... it will eventually catch on here at XDA... hell there is Dell and Motorolas on here now... why not samsung...
about the samsung touchwiz crap... think about it... all it is is a skin over vanilla...??? freaking 1/2 the people here are always crying about how much sense sucks anyway... so why not...
i have been reading how its being knocked about not having all the "social" crap of sense... obviously the person writing that has not looked at the market for a long long while... or forgot that this isnt an iphone...
Epic will be as good as the EVO if not better simply because of the hummingbird processor...
Depending on the price I'm getting one as a spare
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Depending on the price I'm getting one as a spare
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I switched from T-Mobile for the Evo, I have -no idea- how their upgrade system works. Do you think I'll be able to upgrade, given I -just- started my contract with them?
Me and another guy went to return our EVO's today, in light of the EPIC, well, the fact we went in yesterday for the same ****, but my buddy running the store told me yesterday they have no info at all on release date..
He got some info from Sprint today, release date is "black friday" the last friday before thanks giving...
Hell of a long time to wait, regardless if I could of returned my EVO, put my sprint service on a **** phone, and kept my 2 year upgrade/new contract eligability available until the EPIC comes out...
5 months? To hell with that. Ill probally be able to sell my EVO in a little bit shy of 100$ of what the epic will cost me in full. so to hell with it, We kept our EVOs.
I hate sense. I cant stand the 30FPS cap, I never use the HDMI the way i thought it would be implemented, and that extra $10 fee for .. well, nothing is kind of starting to bother me the more I think about it.
In the end, evo still crushes my other friends iphone4, even though their so ****ing stupid and wont accept anything besides there own opinion, and just tried to laugh at the evo apparently. i-d-i-o-t-s.
..still most of me likes the nexus more but tmobile just sucks in my area.
you will not have to wait till the black friday... by that time (end of summer / fall) we will be playing with nVidia Tegra powered phones running in the neighborhood of 1.2ghz to 1.5ghz natively ... that can push 1080p with a breeze and have better battery life than snapdragon powered devices ... unfortunately 1st run of nVidia Tegra powered phones will be windows 7 instead of android ...
looks like a childs toy, untill they make a proper phone with keyboard that doesn't look like it comes from fisher price I say nay to thee!
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Me and another guy went to return our EVO's today, in light of the EPIC, well, the fact we went in yesterday for the same ****, but my buddy running the store told me yesterday they have no info at all on release date..
He got some info from Sprint today, release date is "black friday" the last friday before thanks giving...
Hell of a long time to wait, regardless if I could of returned my EVO, put my sprint service on a **** phone, and kept my 2 year upgrade/new contract eligability available until the EPIC comes out...
5 months? To hell with that. Ill probally be able to sell my EVO in a little bit shy of 100$ of what the epic will cost me in full. so to hell with it, We kept our EVOs.
I hate sense. I cant stand the 30FPS cap, I never use the HDMI the way i thought it would be implemented, and that extra $10 fee for .. well, nothing is kind of starting to bother me the more I think about it.
In the end, evo still crushes my other friends iphone4, even though their so ****ing stupid and wont accept anything besides there own opinion, and just tried to laugh at the evo apparently. i-d-i-o-t-s.
..still most of me likes the nexus more but tmobile just sucks in my area.
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damn...black friday..that is too long to wait
Black Friday is the day AFTER Thanksgiving what would put it at November 26th.
"The EVO 4G, while having an impressive set of specifications, still runs a 65 nm chip that is less power efficient and pales in terms of graphics performance when compared to the Galaxy S." http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125 good read comparing the processors, Super AMOLED is way better, colors, battery, everything, and the hummingbird has a superior GPU and is only a 45nm compared to our 65nm. HTC has always been about numbers, get the 1GHz processor, 8MP camera, 4.3" screen, but not always the best quality of them. the Epic may be better in some respects.
I wouldn't give my EVO for an EPIC right now though, xda, quality and reliability of HTC hardware, and sense (menus and contacts, not widgets) are just to good to pass up. Also, I don't really like any hardware keyboard after the TP2, samsungs is still not on the same level. samsungs sometimes feel cheap, HTC's feel and look like higher quality devices.
Its Apples and Oranges, just get your Bananas out of here.
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Also I have heard from Sprint Reps the EPIC will be out no later than August, more likely mid July.
Additionally CLEAR will be starting phone services this year and have announced HTC and Samsung devices, most likely these two.
Hardware keyboards are one thing (I tend to not like them), but horizontal hardware keyboards are just terrible. Am I the only one that almost never holds their phone horizontally?
I'll keep my EVO, or go with the standard Galaxy S, as long as it can go Vanilla.
sorry, im an htc guy
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Hardware keyboards are one thing (I tend to not like them), but horizontal hardware keyboards are just terrible. Am I the only one that almost never holds their phone horizontally?
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I have only ever liked the Blackberry Curve 8330, but on the horizontal thing, I too, barely hold it like that, it is good for games and some occasions, but I prefer Vertically. :]
Ya know I had my EVO 4G for like 3 weeks and then i Traded it in for an iPhone 4 I just had to see what the hype was about and see if the battery thing was true....its not i charge this **** 2 times a day just like my evo (Biggest Mistake of my Life I had that signal issue rly bad) but im kindda stuck for now because i want to ether get the white EVO 4G or the Epic but i need a Release date id hate to get stuck in a ATT contract cuz they suck here in NYC im praying for a July 15 Surprise Release Date
thats when the New Rim phones Drop and the Droid X and the White EVO Golden Day?
I was interested in this phone also until I did a bit more research on custom roms etc. There won't be any!
Apparently Samsung has some kind of security on the phone that you can't touch the drivers. From what I read its impossible to do ANYTHING without the drivers.
It doesn't look good at all for custom roms etc on the Samsung. Just not worth losing all the custom things on my EVO.
I can tell the OP never had a Samsung phone the Moment which is also a Samsung phone does have a development community behind it, Google SDX-Developers.
Also the skin can be replaced easily and cooking an AOSP ROM isn't exactly hard. Two big pluses I can't get over that keep ringing in my head are the sexy as hell SUPER AMOLED screen and the Hummingbird processor, which spanks the Snapdragon in every benchmark.
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I was interested in this phone also until I did a bit more research on custom roms etc. There won't be any!
Apparently Samsung has some kind of security on the phone that you can't touch the drivers. From what I read its impossible to do ANYTHING without the drivers.
It doesn't look good at all for custom roms etc on the Samsung. Just not worth losing all the custom things on my EVO.
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Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about no offense, Samsung phones have been rooted and modified for a long long time there is no special settings or protection. And a kernal HAS to be produced by law, since Android is an Open Source project.
Look for yourself, wow no community at all:
http://www.sdx-developers.com/
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I can tell the OP never had a Samsung phone the Moment which is also a Samsung phone does have a development community behind it, Google SDX-Developers.
Also the skin can be replaced easily and cooking an AOSP ROM isn't exactly hard. Two big pluses I can't get over that keep ringing in my head are the sexy as hell SUPER AMOLED screen and the Hummingbird processor, which spanks the Snapdragon in every benchmark.
Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about no offense, Samsung phones have been rooted and modified for a long long time there is no special settings or protection. And a kernal HAS to be produced by law, since Android is an Open Source project.
Look for yourself, wow no community at all:
http://www.sdx-developers.com/
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Did I say anything about root? What does root have to do with drivers?? Maybe you need to do some research!! Samsung has their own security on the phone to protect their drivers!! This is a fact. Go read the Samung Galaxy S forums that are right here and thats been the case with past Samsung phones.
I didnt mention kernel either. Did you even read my post?
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Did I say anything about root? What does root have to do with drivers?? Maybe you need to do some research!! Samsung has their own security on the phone to protect their drivers!! This is a fact. Go read the Samung Galaxy S forums that are right here and thats been the case with past Samsung phones.
I didnt mention kernel either. Did you even read my post?
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If that's been the case with past Samsung phones, then why are there like 20+ custom ROMs for the Moment alone that work perfectly fine with original drivers and are completely different from stock builds.
I know this because I came from a Moment been rooting/flashing/hacking it since the day it was released, this is the first I've ever heard of anything like this and it was never a problem then, unless this is new for the Galaxy S line which I doubt.
Also the reason I brought up custom ROMs was because you brought them up:
Apparently Samsung has some kind of security on the phone that you can't touch the drivers. From what I read its impossible to do ANYTHING without the drivers.
It doesn't look good at all for custom roms etc on the Samsung. Just not worth losing all the custom things on my EVO.
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Go look at my link you'll see a wide library of Samsung custom ROM builds, so how is it impossible to have custom ROMs on a Samsung phone?
OK I had the Hero, and the Google phones by HTC on other carriers all had the same problem whether on 1.5 or 1.6 they all wanted 2.0+, most were very delayed, some other companies, Motorolla, have botched updates as well.
That being said, I came from the Hero where I liked HTC, didn't like not having a keyboard on that phone sometimes. I find that Samsung seems to be about equal from my perspective, I am wondering why so many people here make them out to be the devil and make HTC sound wonderful. Do you really think they don't ever mess up updates there and all their phones are better? I'm sorta lost on that point, vs. almost any other Android company. As far as I'm concerned, having a friend who had the G3? on T-Mo then I got the Hero soon after, I have found Google to be the delay...that or every company does it...
Am I wrong somehow?
Android users will *****, moan and complain until their faces are blue. Google has trained us to expect software updates immediately since they release them so rapidly. And if the Android userbase doesnt have the latest and greatest on our phones within even a month of Google releasing the source code...they blow thru the roof.
I had the Hero as well...and I recall being on 1.5 and everyone *****ing about when we would get 2.0. HTC got brownie points because they got EVO users 2.2 so quickly while Epic owners sat in the corner and watched the cool kids move their apps to their SD card.
We will be getting 2.2 on Monday...and then we will want 2.3. Its a process that will never end...
And the end of the day...Android users are the biggest pains in the a double s's ever. They cry, complain and moan and the sense of entitlement they possess is ridiculous. Software updates take time to format for different phones running different systems. Patience doesnt exist though. Thanks to Google...
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Im not concerned with froyo honestly. Im concerned with bug fixes for known problems
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Ditto. I could give a crap about froyo at this point. If it doesn't fix all the bugs and battery problems, who cares. Airplane mode toggle, GPS, exchange connection problems and battery drainage, and DRM batter drainage are my biggest complaints. To be honest with you I would be happy if they fixed those things, cause it's a pain to have to deal with all of that. There's no reason why you should have to do all this tweeking to get your phone to work semi decent!
OP, this is true. If I switch it will be for greatly increased dev support.
I'm reluctant only because I will really miss the camera. I bought the phone for the keyboard but it has proven itself fairly worthless compared to the blackberry keyboards I'm used to.
I'm nowhere near the most hungry person for this new OS version (seriously, it's JUST SOFTWARE) but I have to admit it just doesn't make sense that a company worth possibly hundreds of billions of dollars can't update their "flagship" phones faster than this.
Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
Now Samsung and Sprint may be more conservative for the Epic's care, but their lack of transparency as to why is the issue here. It's largely about lack of communication. Sure, you can argue they don't owe us anything insider-y, but because we look at the technology as vital and spend so much money we want to feel taken care of and be assured our devices have value, and are valued. The phone should be better with this new version, but we probably shouldn't expect miracles either.
I just think Samsung, for all its admirable qualities, needs to really re-evaluate their product support. They've come a long way in mobile phones, and I bought the Epic because I liked the previous "dumb phones" they made well enough, but they also have a long way to go. With their smarts and innovation, I think they will be able to successfully reform. But they can't simply look at the immediate bottom line--competition in technology is too fierce now, reputations can get destroyed quickly, and companies which tarnish their brand can pay dearly for their errors. Just yesterday you had phone makers like Nokia and RIM high on the heap, and even Microsoft's Windows Mobile was once considered a potentially serious player--look at them now, struggling. It can happen to Samsung as well. But they can still make good, and maybe are finally turning the corner here in the U.S.
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung. That and the fact that their charging ports don't have issues with falling off the mainboard like the Evo. It took thousands of complaints for HTC to come out with a reinforced charging port when they released the Evo Shift, but they still have not gone back and changed their manufacturing process of the regular Evo to incorporate the reinforced charging ports.
It is much easier to explain to a customer that damaged their ribbon cable when they dropped their phone with the slide open than it is to explain to a customer that their charging port is a common complaint, but since it damaged the solder joints and contacts beneath the port, they now have to pay $100 for their deductible or get a new phone if they didn't have ERP or TEP.
I really don't care what OS version im on as long as there's no bugs
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
While my Samsung phones are of better build quality I would go back to HTC in a heartbeat if they had Amoled screens,but after using Amoled on Behold2 and S Amoled on Epic I cant,lol.
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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Yes, we all know Sprint figures into the equation somehow, but they sure managed to get Froyo onto the Evo quickly, didn't they? You can't tell me HTC, which is a far smaller and less influential company than Samsung, had less technical hurdles to overcome. (Well, you can, but I wouldn't believe you.)
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Uh, lets review history a little bit.
HTC is the manufacturer of the Nexus 1, the first phone to get Froyo. They received froyo before the release of the Nexus 1 so that they could write drivers. SIX MONTHS LATER, the EVO4g comes along running a SLIGHTLY different first generation snapdragon SOC. In fact, the EVO has near identical hardware to the HTC Incredible which was released a full month before the EVO.
So HTC had PLENTY of time to begin developing drivers for the EVO.
You are saying that Samsung didn't have more technical hurdles to overcome creating drivers for the first devices to use their hummingbird processor and PowerVR SGX 540 gpu than HTC which built the reference platform for Froyo 2.2 through their Nexus One?
The Evo has also received multiple small patches from HTC because their Froyo update was obviously rushed by Sprint so that they could run all of those annoying "first" ads.
Also, take a look at some of the issues people have had with the Evo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Evo_4G#Criticism
It has the same screen issues that my HTC TP2 had, which is the brightening in a small spot as an example.
HTC and Samsung are the same..the biggest difference is Sprint is Sprint released EVO as their June phone and wanted to be first to upgrade to 2.2 so they pushed HTC to upgrade faster...If you think about it they updated the international SGS at an ok time table (not the best but OK)..when it got to the carriers is when the issues started happening..
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My guess is that HTC makes better android software to beging with.
I owned 2 samsung phones(Behold2 and Epic) and one HTC phone(MyTouch Slide 3GS).
MyTouch with only 600mhz CPU,512 ram and no dedicated GPU ran android(with Sense overlay) so well that it was unbelivebale.
MyTouch Slide 3GS with stock rom ran so much smoother and lag-free than my Epic is with any rom(maybe with exeption of Syndicate).I know people will say that its due to MTS3gs's lower resolution,while that maybe partialy true I think its because HTC takes their time to optimize android to run smooth on their hardware and has better developers.Samsung does **** halfassed,why not hire some better developers and make you software as good as your hardware and be number one phone company in the world?
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The MT3GS is using the 600mhz snapdragon processor is it not..that processor is pretty much an under-clocked EVO and GPU is the same..add to it the lower resolution and there is no reason why it shouldnt run smoothly..anyways on my Epic though when running 2.1 stock I had it smoothly no matter what I was doing :/
I bought MTS3gs at launch date with 2.1 on it and within 2 months they released 2.2 for it,keep in mind that MTS3gs was not a heavy hitter,all 4 networks,flagship phone like Galaxy S is.That makes me feel that HTC cares about their reputation not like Samsung.
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The mytouch series is T-mobile's brand...when your "branded" by the carriers you get more love...
And one last thing why I think HTC is better-They release their source quickly.Why do you think all Cyanogens,MIUI and best roms hit HTC so quickly?
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?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?..we are talking about the same HTC right? for the record Samsung releases source same day or within a week usualy..HTC on the other hand still didnt release sources for many devices eve after people have been calling them for AGES to release them...
What makes HTC easier is many devs have worked with HTC phones for YEARS even before they had any protection on bootloaders or anything..we practically grew up with them..and with the N1 it contributed a lot as well..
See, I just don't believe any of that and ill tell you why; the myTouch 4g. That phone runs worse than my HERO did with stock software. And it does everything slow: pulling up the dialer, installing and loading apps, pulling up the market, everything. Its honestly probably one of the worst feeling phones I've ever used (that weren't running MotoBLUR... shutters) and even launcher pro couldn't salvage it.
The reason HTC is "better" than Samsung is just as TC said; people here have awfully selective memories. HTC is just as painfully slow at getting this done as everyone else, they just got paid a ton to get 2.2 (not even 2.2.1 which I believe it still doesn't even have) out for ONE phone and everyone just forgot. I can't wait for the Evo to take 9 years like every other phone to get gingerbread/ice cream sandwich so people can return to hating every company evenly.
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bentiger said:
Most updates take a while for them to be released. There are always bugs that need to be fixed and the bugs are not usually easy to be fixed. The specs are slightly better on some other manufacturer phones, but the AMOLED screen keeps me sticking with Samsung.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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True,Samsung has the best hardware,and Amoled keeps me buying from Sammy.But when Samsung got a flagship phone that is out on 6 major phone carriers in US alone,plus 3 more in Canada and probably 5-10 more in EU and they neglect to update them and put in a little Extra time when making the software for them-Thats bad business.
Samsung have no vision thats why they will never have loyal costumers like Apple.Why year after year you see same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones?Because they know that Apple will not abandon them.First iphone2g,iphone3g,3gs still get updated with new features.Samsung just too stingy to pay a few extra pennies that will earn them millions of exta dollars in a longrun.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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Thanks for that very interesting and informative post. I can't claim to know about the intricacies of writing hardware device drivers, but even so, with all its resources it's tough to believe Samsung had so much trouble. But to keep perspective it's really mainly a U.S. problem. In other parts of the world they've had Froyo on Galaxy S for months. We have the differing builds and radios etc. they had to cope with. But enough devil's advocacy...my original incredulity is still in place about Samsung, if not Sprint. If the update lives up to at least most of our expectations, I guess it'll be bridge/water.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Wut?
Every phone Samsung has released under the Galaxy S banner other than the 4 major carriers in the US got Froyo in November.
Apple hasn't abandoned the iPhone 2g and 3g? Interesting.
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They haven't abandoned the 3g..it works by 2 years cycles..so 2g has been abandoned but 3g has not until the iphone 5...
That said it doesn't mean samsung has gave up on us completely..for all you know we may go up all the way to honeycomb and beyond...they just have been rather slow at it :/
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Why year after year do you see the same people standing in line just to buy inferior iphones? Because Apple consumers are a cult made up of a certain type of people who are easily susceptible to being brainwashed by clever advertising and worship everything Steve Jobs says or does like he's the David Koresh of geekdom.
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Fixed. Half tongue-in-cheek, but half serious as well.
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Now this is something we should ponder. Samsung has ALL of the drivers already written for a majority of what is needed to get us to Gingerbread. They released the Nexus S which is the flagship gingerbread phone, and simply has to port over and update our 4g and cdma drivers basically. We should absolutely see Gingerbread in a very quick fashion, IF that is, Samsung is deciding to support this phone as they should.
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Sure, that sounds sensible except I might beg the question...why then not take us right to Gingerbread? ;-) Coincidentally I was at a Best Buy tonight and played with a Nexus S. It really is weird how it's so similar to the phone I'm typing this on right now, but Google's sponsorship of it changes so much on the software side...
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my contract just passed the 22 month mark, but im wondering if it would be a smarter idea to get the g2 and see what happens after the potential merger and what promotional deals i could get (if any). or i could be safe and get a g2x and be able to use both frequency bands of att and tmobile. I do realize that the g2x has a dual core, hdmi output, etc, but honestly specs dont matter that much to me; im perfectly content with the g2's good speed. theres also the fact that the g2 has a keyboard, while obviously the g2x does not. i currently have a g1, and i find it hard to switch to virtual keyboards. So guys, input?
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well, i personally love hard keyboards but after getting use to swype, i can honestly say I can do without a hard keyboard. I'd prefer the g2x simply because it will set you up for the future. I'm waiting for my upgrade and switching to the g2x. I love the g2 and all but soon enough, apps and all will be updated to support multi cores. Plus i think the g2x's screen is better, looks better i mean. Up to you
At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology. Phones like the G2X and other upcoming dual core superphones like the Galaxy S II (or Galaxy S Pro if you want a keyboard) should be the ones you're looking at.
I see no value in buying a phone that came out in October last year at this point. Don't get me wrong the G2 is an awesome phone and I really like it, but there's no reason to buy this old of a phone with all these great ones coming out.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year? I think a phone that comes out this month has a much better chance at that.
So little love for the G2 already? I'm shocked.
I have had mine for 5 months or so now but I honestly think If I was to upgrade from my old handset RIGHT NOW, I would either get the still G2 or wait for something else to drop from HTC with a hardware keyboard.
My last handset was a Hero and for the entire 8-10 months I had that I always regretted not getting a G1 ... (a) for the kb.... (b) for the dev support!!!!! There was always more going on with the G1 than the Hero.
I think I'll be content with my G2 for another 12months yet.
My wife just got a phone last week. We went into the tmobile store and personally i dont see anything better then a g2. g2x doesnt even count imo... it isnt in the G family on so many levels.
G2 is working great for me so she wanted a g2 also. Shes very happy with it, but then again she came from a motorola cliq lol.
You posted the same question in the Q & A subforum.
Cross posting the same question to multiple subforums is against forum rules, and unnecessary.
I have a G2 since December and my girl just got a G2 now. The reason she wanted a G2 was because she was switching to t-mobile and wanted a phone with a keyboard. We decided that the G2 was good enough for her as it was quick for what she does and has swype as well.
She got the G2 for free with no dataplan required so it was a good deal.
Sure a dual core phone would have been nice, but it would be overkill for her. Front facing camera is a nice feature, but she won't be using it much, or even at all. She didn't want to drop $200 for the latest phone and pay $30 dataplan for the next 2 years.
She just love to text, email and go on facebook. She came from an iphone 3G so it was a big upgrade imo.
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At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology. Phones like the G2X and other upcoming dual core superphones like the Galaxy S II (or Galaxy S Pro if you want a keyboard) should be the ones you're looking at.
I see no value in buying a phone that came out in October last year at this point. Don't get me wrong the G2 is an awesome phone and I really like it, but there's no reason to buy this old of a phone with all these great ones coming out.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year? I think a phone that comes out this month has a much better chance at that.
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He using a G1 currently... do you honestly think the G2 is outdated compared to his current phone? It will a GIANT improvement over a G1 and you get to keep the qwerty kb. Trust me, I even fired it up the other day and it was unbearable.... The G2X has nice guts but looks like a plastic pos from LG (typical) and the extra frequency won't freaking matter for 3 years+ The stupid merger will be blocked for a year and a half (at least) and another year and a half before your 3G towers are gone (you still have 2G after that). By that time, 3D phones will be becoming mainstream (or at least more popular) and dual processors will be improved while quads are arriving on tables. The G2 is a good choice for a couple of years. Hell, you can overclock to almost 2GHz! That's plenty fast for now and the near future. The only issue I see is RAM is low compared to newer high end models but the cpu makes up for it with a little OCing...
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At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year?
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Consider that this gentleman is still on a g1 which at this stage is genuinely outdated some two years after release. I think if he moved to the direct successor to this venerable handset he would be quite pleased. The brief overlay between release and the present day has merely allowed the dev community time to support the device. Instead, if he did what you suggest and get a g2x (which lacks a hard keyboard, something he seems fond of) he would have to wait some months for it to be cracked and the dev community to support it.
Not to mention that dual core phones are still relatively new tech. Even if the hardware is screaming fast, every dual core phone released so far has some sort of software issue and do you really genuinely believe that the carrier or vendor will be quick to patch these issues? Consider the Engadget review of the LG Optimus2x
Where we were left disappointed, however, was in the company's software execution. Neat little tweaks to Android's default interface failed to obscure the fact that the Optimus 2X is neither as responsive nor as stable as it should be. You might be able to rectify those flaws by installing one of the inevitable avalanche of custom ROMs that this device will benefit from, but we're here to review LG's own performance and we find the failure to deliver a reliable platform inexcusable.
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And the Atrix4g review
The Bad
Motoblur and AT&T bloatware onboard
Isn't running most recent Android release
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Though speculating on the end product that HTC will produce is nothing more than conjecture at this stage, these types of commentary lead me to believe that despite the frankly staggeringly good physical hardware, albeit lacking the desired keyboard, the current iteration of dual core smartphones aren't really ready for the consumer market. Their battery life is acceptable, but that goes away when you really are trying to utilize the benefits of having a dual core setup in terms of snappy multitasking.
Get the G2 man. You'll be holding onto it for a while and whatever crop of phones ATT comes out with assuming this merger goes through will probably not live up to the high quality you'll find in the G2. Even now the Dev community is still supporting the G1 so as to if the G2 is going to be "relevant" in a year, that is a silly question. What about all those people who wish to stay off contract yet desire a decent handset at a cheaper price since it is a used model? Dismissing a handset offhand as being "old" and "outdated" despite obvious evidence against this assertion is both shortsighted and closed minded.
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She didn't want to drop $200 for the latest phone and pay $30 dataplan for the next 2 years.
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I hope no one here is paying 30 a month for unlimited. 20 dollars a month its called "android preferred" or something like that. 3 people included myself on our family plan have internet for 20 a month. Just ***** and moan and u can get it too.
things i dislike about the g2x.
no camera button
camera pokes out so uneven backside
i think the review say it has no lens cover so prone to dust
Not a big modding community yet.
I love my G2 and will be happy with it for at least the next 2 years. But, if I were getting a phone now, I would probably get the G2x or more likely wait for the Pyramid.
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things i dislike about the g2x.
no camera button
camera pokes out so uneven backside
i think the review say it has no lens cover so prone to dust
Not a big modding community yet.
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the g2x hasnt even come out yet, that was the optimus 2x, which had its own lg skin over it.
this phone, with the g in the g2x, is mostly stock android with a bit of bloatware put in. you cant say it has a small mod community when it hasnt even come out yet.
Here's really what it boils down to: do you need a physical keyboard or not? A physical keyboard is an absolute must for me, and regardless of the hardware specs I need that keyboard. Right now there just aren't a ton of options on the market, for whatever reason, for a great phone with a physical keyboard, but the G2 is a fantastic one, and easily the best on the market next to the Sprint/HTC Evo Shift (since it's the same internals as the G2 anyway). Remember, even flagships like the Xperia Play have nearly the same exact hardware as the G2, so it's not like it's a crappy phone or something, just not cutting edge any more.
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the g2x hasnt even come out yet, that was the optimus 2x, which had its own lg skin over it.
this phone, with the g in the g2x, is mostly stock android with a bit of bloatware put in. you cant say it has a small mod community when it hasnt even come out yet.
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Hardware wise its the same phone and will be the same subforum .just like the g2 AND desire Z , HTC leo AND the HD2.
Sure the specs on the G2x is amazing, but i would perfer my G2 over the G2x anyday. What I love about my G2 is that it has a beautiful qwerty keyboard & personailly the g2x looks like plastic. The G2 looks like a ****ing Rock. So which one do you rather have a big peice of crappy Plastic or a nice tough looking Rock.
Like others have said here is my list of importance.
1. physical keyboard (i must have it, i cannot do without it)
2. android os (duh...)
3. spec (finally my 3rd i would finally have to start looking at speed and memory)
Maybe the keyboard isnt important to you, if that is so then you have a much larger selection.
G2!
G2 all the way!
Once you've gone hardware keyboard you cant go back. The keyboard is really a big draw the phone has. There aren't really any negative traits about the G2, besides that it's just slightly older. The 800 mhz processor isn't a negative trait about the phone. HTC makes much higher quality phones that LG (in my opinion). And there is not really anything that the G2x has that the G2 doesn't, aside from being game-focused (or at least the T-Mobile website makes it sound game-focused.
My vote is for the G2 for sure.
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Sure the specs on the G2x is amazing, but i would perfer my G2 over the G2x anyday. What I love about my G2 is that it has a beautiful qwerty keyboard & personailly the g2x looks like plastic. The G2 looks like a ****ing Rock. So which one do you rather have a big peice of crappy Plastic or a nice tough looking Rock.
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A shiny rock But yeah, qwerty plus HTC and quality exterior beat LG anyday.
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My wife just got a phone last week. We went into the tmobile store and personally i dont see anything better then a g2. g2x doesnt even count imo... it isnt in the G family on so many levels.
G2 is working great for me so she wanted a g2 also. Shes very happy with it, but then again she came from a motorola cliq lol.
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I came from the cliq... I feel her pain. Dont get me wrong, that phone was like a better iPhone sacrificing the High-End games. But man if its 1 thing I learned from that lesson. Its patients, timing and the right manufacture.
The G2 has a few things no other phone tmobile to date has to offer. Total Openess. Means long community support. G1 still fully supported cause its pure google. Only other phone is the Nexus S which lacks Keyboard, no SDCard, and is Samsung.
Not a single Dual-Core phone is pure Google yet or even a popular HTC for that matter (Like the EVO). Now the Evo 3D would be a good by because itll be way ahead of every1 else, be purchased by many, and its HTC. Most importantly translate to a large Community Base/Support.
I have seen numerous HTC fans spew crap about Samsung for updates and build quality issues. For example, many state that the plastic build quality is of very low quality, of which is very opposite in reality in which in plastic is actually very solid. I have dropped my Vibrant many times and it still looks like new, can't say that about metal which dents and gets dinged. As for updates, blame your carriers. The international versions got updates several months before the carrier versions.
Here are some quotes from some obvious HTC users.
"Last year, Consumer Reports (a major U.S. publication) branded the U.S. Galaxy S versions as some of the best Android phones. Not only were they NOT the best, they were missing some basic functionality and lagged like a phone from a previous generation. Let's not even talk about lack of support from Samsung. Too many people fall for the SAMOLED eye candy and ignore everything else."
Or "Thank god I have some help.. hehe I honestly dunno why these SamSux people think S G II is pretty muhahua. It's one ugly plastic crap i've ever seen. They keep coming in HTC thread telling people to buy their plastic crap. "
Or "Another troll just childish, u will se Samsung will never have so awesome devs like HTC phones have especially when.I look at the desire section, a lot of them will buy a sensation and that's the reason why i will buy one to "
What do you think about the public conception of Samsung here at XDA?
The first quote is spot on. The lag was unbearable, the GPS inop, and support was nonexistent. Samoled was nice until you seen the jagged text. Battery life was also terrible. The phones are usable now, after 3-4 updates (updates that were bricking phones and frying storage, mind you) but the GPS is still borderline useless for lots of people and it still lags more than a Samsung jack wm6.5 device (by a long shot).
I they do better with the s2 good for them, but they are indefendable irt these phones. Hype can only get you so far...
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The first quote is spot on. The lag was unbearable, the GPS inop, and support was nonexistent. Samoled was nice until you seen the jagged text. Battery life was also terrible. The phones are usable now, after 3-4 updates (updates that were bricking phones and frying storage, mind you) but the GPS is still borderline useless for lots of people and it still lags more than a Samsung jack wm6.5 device (by a long shot).
I they do better with the s2 good for them, but they are indefendable irt these phones. Hype can only get you so far...
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Way to read my first paragraph. Support was due to the carriers, not Samsung directly. And I still do not understand what this lag is, even on JFD I had installed 30 apps and still little to no lag for me.
And the jagged text? have both a HD7 and a HD2 with me no, and I see no difference worth speaking of between the screens. I do 20/20 vision.
Battery life terrible? Wait till you see the desire HD or thunderbolt. The GS2 has also been reported to have good battery life.
Have you even tried a custom rom N8ter? CM7 nevers lags, even when underclocked to 400 mhz. And as to that HTC phones work better out of the box statement, we are on XDA. Hell, many of those HTC fanboys wanted the Sensation due to the dev attention they believed it would get, even with a locked bootloader.
I don't mod my phones and nor should anyone be expected to. The performance of the phone now is usable. Where was cyanogen in august to December 2010, though?
Don't answer that.
Bunch of excuses. What you quoted is true.
Text on a samoled panel is more jagged than on others. Its a side effect of the pen tile pixel arrangement used. Its very noticeable when you have white text on a black background - at least for me it is.
These panels also suffer from burnin more than any other screen type I've used.
Support from carriers does not help when the hardware is faulty (gps)'or the device has design flaw like rfs. Samsung can push out an update that replaces rfs. They choose not to. They should have recalled phones with known hw gps falls but.they just blamed it on the users andbgave them a useless tool to rwser some setting many of us never touched to begin with.
I read your whole post btw, bit I'm typing from devices so stop acting.like I'm obligated to comment on or rebut every tucking thing in it...
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The way I see it is why would anyone buy an android and use it stock lol considering stock is garbage to custom roms. End of story
This is the fourth vibrant I've had, gps was piss poor, and I was able to get new ones because of it. This newest handset has really good locks. I like the phone even after the gps problems. I bought an otter box and some ghost armor. With the case it feels solid. I know not everyone will get a case to make the phone feel built but it's nice. Id buy another samsung device no problem. I like the feel and ease of use.
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Bionix next gen
Overstock kernel to 1.2
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Fact: Despite samsung's delay in releasing froyo for the vibrant and it's GPS problems, the vibrant was/is still a greatr phone with an awesome display and great hardware!
Guys , am just wating for galaxy s 2 , rumour has it that it is going to be the best smart phone for a long time!!
I have to agree with N8ter. This will probably be my last Samsung device. I told myself from the start I'd never get another Samsung device, but it was all Asurion had to replace my water-damaged, but beloved N1. Ugh. I wish I had waited for them to get something else.
The lag KILLS me! I want to throw the damn phone against the wall or some concrete almost daily. Samsung could have definitely kept RFS to their damn selves. Even the browser lags on me most times.
I get a bunch of missed calls even when I have full coverage. The only way I'd even know I would miss them is if my girlfriend would text me to pick up my phone or check Google Voice for missed calls.
The GPS... yeah. Go back to the comment about me wanting to throw my phone against the hardest surface available, and multiply that by 100. The GPS has almost made me late for several appointments (job interviews, drug testing, etc.), and actually gotten me lost in my own native home of Atlanta. I don't get how the hell the GPS can possibly think I'm somewhere .5 miles away then where I am actually am.
I absolutely hate how it doesn't have an LED. NoLED does the job, but isn't really what I would call a suitable replacement.
I also hate how it looks like an iPhone. If I wanted an iPhone lookalike, I would have went out and bought an iPhone. I am really tired of people always asking me, "Is that an iPhone?"
I also despise TouchWiz. I despise manufacturer skins in general, but touchwiz REALLY grinds my gears.
One of the very few good redeeming qualities about this damn phone is the amount of internal storage, but which I barely make use of b/c of wanting to keep all of files stored on my external. I also like the dev tools they have, such as Odin. It's saved me a couple of times from bad flashing and just plain operator error. I also like how easy it was to install the front facing camera. But, then again, why the hell should I have to install it in the first place?
Overall, I am not a happy camper with Samsung. Once I start this new job, or get my financial aid refund check , it's definitely time for a new phone, and it sure as hell won't be Samsung. I was thinking about giving this phone to my girlfriend to replace her T-Mobile Tap, but I don't know if I want to torture her that much.
P.S. This is after using custom roms. God forbid how horrid my experience would have been on stock. I think I might have really thrown it in oncoming traffic.
its obvious that you're stuck in your mindset, so why even start a thread? its useless. coming from an owner of both brands, each have pros and cons. my epic and inspire both have poor battery life. inspire is smooth while the epic lags. furthermore, my epic has better overall display, but the inspire looks better picture wise, not contrast or color, quality. my point is, phones appeal to one person or another. no need for a useless thread targeting one manufacturer.
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Glad to see Samsung has learned their lesson, they have released sgs2 with unlocked boot loader and they just released sgs2 source as well
Thanks Samsung, I'll prefer you over htc and motorola
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I am quite satisfied with my vibrant coming from an HD2 NAND.
It is quite fast and has a much more pleasant desing than most other HTC phones.
Only problem is the HORRIBLE gps.
mugenfiji0327 said:
You are just whining and repeating what other members have stated so many times in this thread. HTC sucks, Samsung will always be better. All the problems that you are whining about disappeared when custom roms came. That's the point of custom roms so you don't have to use the crappy stock firmware. Anyway if you are still having trouble after using a custom rom and still think you have room to complain, then you probably shouldn't even own an android device and it is most likely user error. You're just an HTC fanboy, I am not saying that Samsung is the best but they are better than HTC. On top of that the Vibrant outdoes most of the new phones and all of the older phones that T-mobile has and it's over 6 months old. So quit basing your opinions on the phone off of your HTC loyalty.
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And you're a closed-minded Samsung fanboy so you can take your opinion and go eat shi* for all I care. Most of my complaints might have been stated already, but clearly the more times it's stated proves it's not just isolated incidents. I'm not basing my phone off of any loyalty. I'm basing it off of the fact that it frustrates the hell out of me. And I assure you it's not user error. I've been dealing with computers and electronics and modding etc since I was 7 and am a computer science major, so I assure you it's not user error. Every single one of those problems has persisted since I used a custom rom, and who the hell are you to tell me I shouldn't own an Android device? I know all about custom roms and have been using them since I got my first smartphone, the HTC wizard. If you think Samsung is better than HTC, that's fine. We're all entitled to our opinion. I, however, could care less about another Samsung phone ever again. I really regret the day my Nexus One fell in that pot of water.
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Every HTC phone that I have ever owned or seen has been the most worthless product. I would rather dig an old razr out from the bottom of a dumpster and use it than to ever use an HTC product again. All they have is cons, no pros at all.
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And you call me a fanboy. Yeah. Ok. At least I'm willing to admit this phone does have some pros.
I like the sgs line. Sure, there not the best out there, but as a rom chef and themer, I can honestly say this this phone is the best for that. Almost unbrickable. Don't forget, with HTC and moto(dont quote me on moto), they don't have Odin. That is a HUGE selling point for me. I would be pissed if I spent $x on a HTC phone, and had a bad flash. Now its a door stop. Just my .2.
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mugenfiji0327 said:
Everybody always runs to the I'm a computer science major and I've been working with technology since I was this age excuse.BS, I don't buy one word of that and I am willing to bet a lot on the fact that it is user error and you most likely do not even know close to what you are saying you know. If you are a computer science major then instead of complaining about the problems then why don't you fix them tough guy ? That's what I thought, full of bs just like every other troll on every other forum. I'm not a Samung fanboy or close minded I just know that samsung is and always will be better than the worthless company known as HTC that you love oh so much.
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Lol. Quite frankly I don't give a damn WHAT you believe. I don't have to prove myself to some anonymous person on the internet. You can eat **** and die for all I care. I know it's not user error. Even if I don't have the know how to go in and fix Samsung's mistakes myself, yet, I know how to read carefully and apply others' fixes. So go troll someone else. Like I said, it's your OPINION that Samsung is the better company, and that's fine. But, as for myself, I know I won't be giving Samsung another chance.
Good day to you.
I have seen Plastic = poor build quality in US mostly.
it's a loyalty thing, you know the last HTC device i owned was actually an I-Mate. still to this day I remember how damn awesome that thing was. swivel screen, Large Keyboard, solid PLASTIC construction, stereo speakers, 3.5 jack. etc. OS blew, think it was windows mobile umm 5? i know i ran 6.5 on it before i upgraded.
this phone was a beast. and the last HTC built device i ever owned as i switched to nokia and sony Ericsson smart phone devices, somehow i ended up with a samsung i900 Omnia (gsm) and have stuck with samsung since.
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_jasjar-1262.php <--Beast.
Pretty cool ! I like how it supported 3g video calling in 2005 I had a Nokia 6630 then
To each their own.
I am commited to buying a usa sgs2. Why with the terrible support we've had? I truely think that samsung has learned their lesson. Releasing the source so soon after the phones launch is amazing. I have also read just about every review and watched every video. Its exactly the experience I want.
Even with all the problems of the sgs... I still love it. The reason why I know I love it is cause I am currently using a mytouch 4g. Its great that I can overclock it to 1.5ghz. Frankly I am really starting to miss my vibrant. I Love that phone. With its ****ty gps and its laggy ass stock ui and its horrible support. I am after all A tinker at heart!
mugenfiji0327 said:
I'm not trolling, I'm just simply trying to get an ignorant bullshitter to shut his mouth that's all. As far as I know that's not trolling,it's doing the forum a favor.
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I don't have time to argue with a close-minded idiot. If you can't accept other people have opinions different from yours, then that's your problem. Now, I said good day.
boystuff said:
it's a loyalty thing, you know the last HTC device i owned was actually an I-Mate. still to this day I remember how damn awesome that thing was. swivel screen, Large Keyboard, solid PLASTIC construction, stereo speakers, 3.5 jack. etc. OS blew, think it was windows mobile umm 5? i know i ran 6.5 on it before i upgraded.
this phone was a beast. and the last HTC built device i ever owned as i switched to nokia and sony Ericsson smart phone devices, somehow i ended up with a samsung i900 Omnia (gsm) and have stuck with samsung since.
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_jasjar-1262.php <--Beast.
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A friend of mine still uses this as his daily phone, he managed to preserved it all this long in a mint condition too
I was planning on getting the Galaxy Nexus once it becomes available on Sprint, but after realizing it has no SD slot I've changed my mind. For some that may not be an issue, but I like using my phone as a MP3 player and really don't want to purchase a separate device for that. The Galaxy Note looks promising, but that could be even further down the road and it is a little too big for my tastes. Does anyone have any recommendations?
Since I am not getting a new phone until July, the phone I am getting isn't out yet. If no keyboard quad core LTE is in the pike then the Galaxy Journal is looking good.
Well...considering how horrible my credit score is .... and sprint is the only company that will even CONSIDER re-newing my contact, ill probably be going with EVO 3D or Galaxy S2. I am proud to say I STILL have never owned an iphone and dont plan on doing so any time soon.
However, I must say CM9 has opened my epic up to a whole new world of pant creamage, so i'll probably be sticking with my epic for awhile.
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Well...considering how horrible my credit score is .... and sprint is the only company that will even CONSIDER re-newing my contact, ill probably be going with EVO 3D or Galaxy S2. I am proud to say I STILL have never owned an iphone and dont plan on doing so any time soon.
However, I must say CM9 has opened my epic up to a whole new world of pant creamage, so i'll probably be sticking with my epic for awhile.
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I hear you. CM9 has definitely brought new life to my Epic. I may just be considering a new phone just for the sake of having something new and shiny, but as it stands now my Epic does everything I need it to so maybe I'll stick with it for a while.
That Galaxy Note/Journal is calling out to me
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Galaxy S3; course I'm extatic with CM9 (and its only ALPHA... <does roscoe p. coltrane laugh>)
you youngs can google dat sh!t
RealTic said:
Well...considering how horrible my credit score is .... and sprint is the only company that will even CONSIDER re-newing my contact, ill probably be going with EVO 3D or Galaxy S2. I am proud to say I STILL have never owned an iphone and dont plan on doing so any time soon.
However, I must say CM9 has opened my epic up to a whole new world of pant creamage, so i'll probably be sticking with my epic for awhile.
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I have myself an Epic and I I am quite content with it in it's rooted state. I would imagine the S2 rooted would make for a beast of a phone. Everyone is always looking to get the next best thing, but realistically how powerful does your phone really need to be?
RealTic said:
Well...considering how horrible my credit score is .... and sprint is the only company that will even CONSIDER re-newing my contact, ill probably be going with EVO 3D or Galaxy S2. I am proud to say I STILL have never owned an iphone and dont plan on doing so any time soon.
However, I must say CM9 has opened my epic up to a whole new world of pant creamage, so i'll probably be sticking with my epic for awhile.
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I agree, it's already like a brand new phone. Although, I've never quite liked how bulky the phone is, especially with a case on it. The epic 4g touch is a pretty sexy phone to hold on to. But I don't see myself changing phones anytime soon with CM9 as good as it is, and keeps getting better.
I really want the Galaxy Nexus but I am happy with my Epic for now. Depending on if I get a decent job after I graduate in may and if the company has good phone discounts ill probably try to get one on sprint. If not ill probably try to buy one with a bad esn and flash to virgin mobile. I don't have to have 4g and could definitely live without it for $25 a month.
my upgrade isn't until august, although at the moment i plan to get the galaxy nexus.
But there is a lot of time left for me to change my mind.
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I was planning on getting the Galaxy Nexus once it becomes available on Sprint, but after realizing it has no SD slot I've changed my mind. For some that may not be an issue, but I like using my phone as a MP3 player and really don't want to purchase a separate device for that. The Galaxy Note looks promising, but that could be even further down the road and it is a little too big for my tastes. Does anyone have any recommendations?
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Get the Audio Galaxy app free from the market, and you never have to put mp3s on your phone again. As long as your computer is on, you just stream them right to your phone from your computer's hard drive where ever you go.
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With all the recent goodies we have received for our EPIC4G , I'm waiting until later in the year when something REALLY better comes around ( even though I am already eligible for an upgrade on one of my lines )
Something with LTE
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Nothing. There is not a single phone on the market or even in the pipeline that I am aware of that I look forward to purchasing to replace my Epic. Except maybe another Epic if this one breaks. My next phone MUST have a physical slide-out keyboard, as well as LTE, multi-core, and unlocked bootloader. I will ditch Sprint for Verizon if I have to, but even the Droid 4 fails to meet my requirements because Motorola has their head up their *** and locks the bootloader on everything. I am very disappointed but hopefully Samsung or HTC will surprise me with a qwerty superphone. Otherwise the Epic will be my phone of choice for the next few years.
I'm actually still pretty happy with my phone as others are here, but I will actually NOT be getting a physical keyboard on my next phone. I thought it was a necessity, but I have fallen in love with SwiftKey, and I don't see a need for a physical keyboard anymore.
I would much rather have a slimmer form factor. However I'm guessing the only requirement my next phone will have is LTE.
My contract is already up and i was planning on getting the Galaxy Nexus when it came out for Sprint, but that was before our awesome devs managed to get CM9 on our epics. Now i am patiently waiting for the next nexus phone
CM9 really did bring new life to the Epic, Im completely satisfied with it now.
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I'm actually still pretty happy with my phone as others are here, but I will actually NOT be getting a physical keyboard on my next phone. I thought it was a necessity, but I have fallen in love with SwiftKey, and I don't see a need for a physical keyboard anymore.
I would much rather have a slimmer form factor. However I'm guessing the only requirement my next phone will have is LTE.
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I actually dislike slimmer phones. They don't feel right in my hand and are usually slippery also. I always cringe when the phone slips out of my hand and smashes open on the concrete. I think the Epic with a standard battery is already slim and light enough and I wouldn't want anything slimmer. I would MUCH prefer the heavy metallic feel of an HTC phone (like the G2), but HTC doesn't make any decent qwerty phones like that anymore.
I agree with most of you guys, as long as we keep getting CM9 updates I have no problem sticking with the epic for another year.
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I hear you. CM9 has definitely brought new life to my Epic. I may just be considering a new phone just for the sake of having something new and shiny, but as it stands now my Epic does everything I need it to so maybe I'll stick with it for a while.
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^^QFT
spainlinx0 said:
I'm actually still pretty happy with my phone as others are here, but I will actually NOT be getting a physical keyboard on my next phone. I thought it was a necessity, but I have fallen in love with SwiftKey, and I don't see a need for a physical keyboard anymore.
I would much rather have a slimmer form factor. However I'm guessing the only requirement my next phone will have is LTE.
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I've had an upgrade for a little over a year now, on my line. Haven't moved from the Epic as nothing has really offered a significant upgrade. My next phone? LTE without question (but it needs to be in Chicago as the 3G speeds here are atrocious), made by either Samsung or HTC, though I'd have a tough time moving from Samsung. Outside of that, no real requirements. I'd like 2GB of RAM, but that might be 2013, who knows. I think unlocked bootloader goes without question as there is no way I could go stock anything after having an Epic...
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Get the Audio Galaxy app free from the market, and you never have to put mp3s on your phone again. As long as your computer is on, you just stream them right to your phone from your computer's hard drive where ever you go.
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That's great and all, but doesn't help when I'm not in good service areas. In my line of work, I'm in very spotty areas all the time and I need my phone's network to not be cluttered up so I can receive business calls/txts reliably.