Does the Shift's WM side suffer from the dreaded lack of video acceleration enabled drivers affecting most current HTC devices? This would show up as relatively mediocre video performance while playing TCPMP or Slingplayer. On the Shift I would expect no less than 30fps using Slingplayer.
ok, if no one knows the answer directly, maybe we can infer it...
I'd really like to find out the performance of Slingplayer for example. It is well-documented that this is an app that suffers in many newer HTC devices due to the lack of drivers specifically taking advantage of the video hardware.
Can anyone report the fps and bitrate they are getting while using Slingplayer Mobile on the Shift? I have a Slingbox available if anyone needs testing.
I think RealVGA may be needed to see the full layout of Slingplayer while it is running to display the fps in the upper right hand corner of the screen.
thanks.
Is the HD capable of 30fps or not?
I recorded some videos using CIF resolution (both mpeg4 and h.263 format), then transferred them to the PC and used VLC to play them and see "Media information" for them.
- for some of them a framerate of 5 (!) is reported
- for some other a framerate of 15 is reported
No 30fps anywhere! And there is no setting to adjust framerate in the options. Am I missing something here?
Is maybe the framerate not constant for these types of formats? Maybe depends on the lighting conditions? Even so, the 15fps videos were recorded in broad daylight on a sunny day! How much more light do you need?
What's the deal?
MSM 7201A cpu have the ability removed in hardware because of a patent lawsuit
by broadcom software can't solve the issue MSM 7200a support the feature though
Rudegar said:
7200a support the feature though
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So chipsets with "a" in the ending have this feature removed? Are there any Blackstones with the "normal" version of this chipset?
not a but the ones ending with 1
don't know for sure looked at wiki and it said the blackstone had 7201
as cpu which is the version where the capture was removed
7200a in x1i the international version should include the feature
but the x1a usa version got the 7201A which don't
but even with 30fps it's pretty crap imho compared to real cameras with CCD chips
unlike the cmos chips of mobile phones
much like the eternal mpixel confusement race it's more hype then real quality
Rudegar said:
MSM 7201A cpu have the ability removed in hardware because of a patent lawsuit
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What "ability" do you mean? 30fps ability?
And if so, then what is the ability we' re left off with? 15fps? That the maximum?
Also would someone know why other videos are 5 fps and other 15 fps?
Hey people, i was wondering since HTC are going to update the HTC Desire with 720p recording in the future via an update. HTC HD2 has the same camera why cant we have an update????
and by the way dont start using because windows mobile 6.5 doesnt allow it blah blah blah......
ps just recieved an update read below....
Dear Yus,
Thank you for contacting us. In regards to updates on the HD2 I can help you with that. No updates are planned at this time to enable HD Recording. The hardware may not even be compatible. The only official information on updates is on our website www.htc.com/support We cannot comment on what is seen on the internet as this is not official HTC published content. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required.
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its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.
josemedina1983 said:
its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.
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It might be plausible to enable the HD recording in the future, but I know WinMo is incapable of supporting HD recording. You'll never know, maybe something miraculous will happen and this might work!
However, at least it's nice to get pics at higher resolutions than 5mp. There's a tweak here, if you didn't know.
its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not
ilijan said:
its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not
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Yeah, and I'm thinking Microsoft might work on fixing that in WP7 and completely ignore WM6.5.x.
Hopefully the devs get that to work. The TP2's Android port still doesn't have camera support and the port's been around since December.
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
guys if wm6.5 dont support 720p rec
ok how about 720x480 or WVGA like samsung omnia ii ?
something better than nothing
Euroman28 said:
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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look at the nexus one
scrizz said:
look at the nexus one
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Can you confirm to use that the camera in the Nexus One and HD2 are identical?
im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...
Euroman28 said:
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2
See i'm kinda holding back from buying one of those mini HD camcorders because im certain someone can create a break through with the HD2's camera. saves me taking two devices everywhere just for the camera, when the HD2's camera seems more than capable.
I've not been on the forum long so can someone explain the process that could make this work? Im aware of the WM 6.5 limitations, has anybody got a solid port to android or WM7 yet...?
Dani01c said:
well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2
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How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA
I don't see how the OS has anything to do with the resolution that the camera can capture at. The limitation is probably in the firmware (in the camera module), camera module driver, or the camera software. Could also be a hardware issue with whatever bus interface is between the camera module and the HD2, it could be a standard USB bus which would have the bandwidth for HD video, or it could be something proprietary with a low bitrate that wouldn't handle the bandwidth of a 720p/24/30 real time video stream. The bus could be a real issue, notice how some of the 1st camera phones that could do 720p were 720p/24. 720p/24 is a lower bitrate than the 720p/30 more common now
I do know that I have gotten my HD2 to capture WVGA video in one of the android builds. I never took the time to evaluate if it was capturing a true pixel per pixel WVGA image, or if it was really capturing a VGA image and then either zooming or stretching it to WVGA in software
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How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA
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I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...
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I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...
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Its quite possible that android is still recording VGA mode and then just cropping off the top and bottom, basically leaving you with 640x360 effective pixels.
We need someone that knows the android cam software that can tell us exactly what its doing, or someone to do a resolution test recording a pattern to measure the recorded resolution
well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.
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well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.
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but is it really true 800x480 pixels or the 640x360 upscaled to fill out 800x480? only true way to test is to use a resolution pattern
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/How-We-Test-Camcorders-36180.htm
I am pretty sure that the HD2 has a 4:3 not a 16:9 sensor for the camera. this would explain why we loose resolution when the still camera is put into wide mode. it takes the 4:3 5mpixel image and chops the top and bottom off to make it "widescreen"
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im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...
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hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!
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hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!
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i'm wit u 100%
Hi,
Does the HD2 Leo support 720p recording ? I heard it did ? Also i heard it will be capable on android running it from the HD2.
If true... why is it not possible on Windows Mobile ??
Thx!
i guess its because of the camera driver.
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zat0x said:
Hi,
Does the HD2 Leo support 720p recording ? I heard it did ? Also i heard it will be capable on android running it from the HD2.
If true... why is it not possible on Windows Mobile ??
Thx!
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Oh come on! This has been gone over so many times!
Winmo doesn't support the drivers, that and It can hardly handle the video at that resolution
Ok so is android on the hd2 capeble recording 720p? (with the right drivers) ?
Not yet. No one has managed to get 720p recording to work even with Android though I believe progress is being made.
Don't get your hopes up with 720 capability saving this phone's camera. Just imagine the picture quality of the camera now, just way bigger. The lens is just not the best.
polo735 said:
Don't get your hopes up with 720 capability saving this phone's camera. Just imagine the picture quality of the camera now, just way bigger. The lens is just not the best.
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Lens is capable of taking up to 5mp pics. So 720p recording is possible, but framerate may be low.
Hello.
this is my first time creating a new thread, so please bear with me if it comes off as a bit noobish.
i recently purchased an android mobile called UMI Zero. here are some specs for it:
OS Android 4.4
CPU 2.0GHz, Octa-Core, 28nm HPM
GPU ARM Mali-450MP4,700MHz
RAM 2GB
ROM 16GB
Camera Back, 13.0MP SONY IMX214 F1.8 stacked Front, 8MP
i was fairly impressed about the review of the camera, but when i got the handset, i was fairly disappointed to see that it did not have a proper camera app which would support 4k video, i looked into it further and found that there were some other mobile phones out there which were using the same 13Mp Sony IMX214 camera to make 4k video recording. so i looked for apps which would give this phone that capability but all i found were threads for LG G2 phones (kk handsets?) and how they would enable 4k video on it with the help of files from LG G3. this got me wondering if it was possible for the UMI Zero as well. i will appreciate any guidance in the matter. Thank you.
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Maybe...
Well, it's not the camera module that's holding it back, or the processor, so actually I don't know.
The MT6592T is cabable of UHD recording, so I'm taking a guess that it would have to be software, they haven't done the stock rom on this phone well at all - I mean after all the phone records in 3GP, in 1920x1088, so actually I guess there would be a way of going through some source code and modifying.
Good luck!
Here's the specs for the 6592
Octa-core (1.7GHz or 2GHz) ARM Cortex-A7 processor
ARM Mali GPU
UMTS / HSPA+ R8 / TD-SCDMA / EDGE / LTE
Dual-band 801.11a/b/g/n, Bluetooth, GPS, FM receiver
Full HD display controller
16MP image signal-processor
H.265 Ultra HD video record & playback
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Well, it's not the camera module that's holding it back, or the processor, so actually I don't know.
The MT6592T is cabable of UHD recording, so I'm taking a guess that it would have to be software, they haven't done the stock rom on this phone well at all - I mean after all the phone records in 3GP, in 1920x1088, so actually I guess there would be a way of going through some source code and modifying.
Good luck!
Here's the specs for the 6592
Octa-core (1.7GHz or 2GHz) ARM Cortex-A7 processor
ARM Mali GPU
UMTS / HSPA+ R8 / TD-SCDMA / EDGE / LTE
Dual-band 801.11a/b/g/n, Bluetooth, GPS, FM receiver
Full HD display controller
16MP image signal-processor
H.265 Ultra HD video record & playback
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hi!
thanks for the info dude. i thought that maybe after all this time, someone might have done some tinkering but there still hasnt been anything on it
i would have tried modding it if i had the proper knowledge and a secondary mobile. youre also right about the devs doing a crappy job on the firmware. the camera software is only good for taking pictures but is absolute crap for video recording.
calistoz said:
hi!
thanks for the info dude. i thought that maybe after all this time, someone might have done some tinkering but there still hasnt been anything on it
i would have tried modding it if i had the proper knowledge and a secondary mobile. youre also right about the devs doing a crappy job on the firmware. the camera software is only good for taking pictures but is absolute crap for video recording.
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The MT6592 SoC is capable neither to record nor to play UHD video. Its max capability is [email protected] Datasheet (edit: I can't post links yet)
That's a question why MediaTek shows UHD recording and playback on their own product page. (edit: I can't post links yet)
bencebacsi said:
The MT6592 SoC is capable neither to record nor to play UHD video. Its max capability is [email protected] Datasheet (edit: I can't post links yet)
That's a question why MediaTek shows UHD recording and playback on their own product page. (edit: I can't post links yet)
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i went ahead and looked for more details on the SoC for the mt6592 and it turns out that it can encode up to 1088 and decode 2160. so i guess it means that it can play back UHD videos but cant make them.
http://system-on-a-chip.specout.com/l/425/MediaTek-MT6592. it leaves me kind of disappointed seeing as how they have gone on to incorporate a really good camera with UHD capabilities and a F 1.8 lens only to be let down by the lack of support on the SoC.
Sorry for offtop (i don't want to create new thread).
Maybe some of you guys know where to buy side buttons fpc for umi zero or maybe someone have one? tnx