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Quick Simple Question Any Wizard Owner Can Answer - Just Glance At Charger

I am trying to find out what the correct, original charger is for the wizard.
If you have a wizard, can you please look at your home wall charger / ac adapter and tell me what the specs are? Is it 500mA, 800mA, 1A, something else? It should say directly on the charger somewhere.
Also, have you ever had any problems charging the phone with it. There is a problem with the travel chargers (500mA) charging a wizard if the battery is completely empty - it has trouble starting the charge (charges fine if it didn't die completely). So - if your phone battery completely dies because you did not charge it at night or something, can your charger get it charging and running again without any issues?
That's it! Just trying to find what the original charger is so I can order one like it. I have found 800mA chargers easily but I was thinking the original was 1A instead. Not sure though...
Thanks!

Only 1.00 amp charger is capable to charge a completely discharged (dead) battery,so get a 1A wall charger,you won't regret.Every Wizard device is supplied originally with a 1A charger,so thats what I have,never had any charging problem,even if sometimes gets lower than the required retention charge,it gets the battery charged.

That's what I thought...I'm just having the toughest time finding those online...It seems nobody has an original charger or even one with similar specs...They are all too weak...the 1A chargers I have found have been 5.5V and not 5V.
Any ideas on where to get an original? It seems like 5V 1A USB charger would not be so hard to find but they are all too weak or don't list the specs (in which case they may not be the right one). Perhaps there is a manufacture part number on your charger? If so, maybe I can do a search for that part number and find it.

Superman859 said:
That's what I thought...I'm just having the toughest time finding those online...It seems nobody has an original charger or even one with similar specs...They are all too weak...the 1A chargers I have found have been 5.5V and not 5V.
Any ideas on where to get an original? It seems like 5V 1A USB charger would not be so hard to find but they are all too weak or don't list the specs (in which case they may not be the right one). Perhaps there is a manufacture part number on your charger? If so, maybe I can do a search for that part number and find it.
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Well,I can give you charger details which I'm using ,I don't know if its available online,but there's no harm in trying,You can try e-bay online,here they are :-
DELTA ELECTRONICS INC
AC/DC Adapter MA0614
INPUT : 100-240-200mA 50-60Hz
OUTPUT : 5V...1000A
Good luck !

New Battery / Mains Charging - Help / Query.

Hi all,
I haven't used my universal for about a year, so I'm a bit out the loop and need a bit of help. The old battery is dead (think was low % when flashed rom, and as a result only lasts for about 10 %).
I was following the guide on the wiki (thanks), and have subsequently bought a new battery to make life simple, and now I want to take good care of this one properly.
My problem arises is that I have lost my original mains charger, but instead have a nice little mains adapter to usb thing, (so its pretty much mains - usb port - usb cable - universal) ... Would this be the equivalent of "mains charging" as said is a better method of charging?
I only ask, as that when i try and charge the universal via this method, instead of a constant orange charge glow, it seems to flicker on and off, i.e. one second on orange, one second off orange, and if I have the screen on, the battery life is actually going DOWN ! (and goes from charging, to battery, charging to battery icons with the light)
... I unplugged it at this point, but then was wondering if that was part of the xda calculating the actual battery life, and although it was going down, it was as it realised there was now more capacity in the new battery? :S
(So i short is the alternating charging light on/off normal for mains charging?)
When i charge it via USB, its just a constant orange glow, and the charge symbol goes on and seems to be charging up, which at least means I have a method of charging the phone, however, the consensus seems to be prolonged use of only USB charging is bad? (Is there an explanation as to why about somewhere? :S)
Thanks for your time and help in the matter people

Hi I am new to universals but the problem is probably that the charger isnt good enough for the job the universal i just bought came with a new blackberry charger but it wont charge the universal it has an output of 5v 0.5a but the other charger from my bt phone works fine and that has an output of 5v 1A so as you can see it is double the output current.
Hope this helps

Yes, agree with Sleepy, the original charger is 1A.

how to charge htc 8125 with no original usb cable and(or) without orig. wall charger

hi there.
shortly-i have this phone with no orig. usb cable and with no wall charger. it was friend of mine phone actualy. given to me with dead battery (i am not sure but i have trouwn it away long time ago)
first I did was to wait until friends of mine from china had sent to me 2 batteries compitable with the phone. what i discovered is that a normal ordinar usb cable cant charge the phone's battery it only can connect to the pc.
second what i did is this: i found my old charger from a very old panasonic cell phone and had a try to make the charging process with the simply contacting corresponding pinouts of the battery to the +&- of this same charger (somehow i dissasembled the plug of that charger and it became more "comfortable" to get in touch to the pinouts of the specific cingular's battery)
that unordinar way i did discovered that i can charge these batteries even not sure how much appropriate that other brand wall charger is. It seems its pretty much the same as a power characteristics.
Meanwhile (as i dont use this phone) i had some free time to search the net and to have better idea about that strange unordinar power charging matter with that model of a phone. The situation is that i cant find a place nearby me to buy a cheap usb and wall charger and become using this nice device finaly.
And also i dont want to buy these cable things before clearly understand why this happens ..
I did try also to charge this phone with a HTC brand wall charger but no sucsess again cause it seems this wall charger is for other htc phone (even same mini usb plug and same characteristics)
What i need is to have answers by someone very informed about that matter and let me know what exactly is the specific power charging matter (need explanations i mean) with this phone. If sharing some good ideas about how to remake others usb cable or wall charger for geting it work along for me in such a case , i will appreciate this very much
thanks

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hi ! please forgive me for my bad english! in this case you can charge your phone in 1 way! you need to procure a motorola or any charger with same socket but attention the charger must have 6 volts and no less than 500 mAh(milli amps)! you cut the wires and one wire put on the + of the battery you will see the signs on the battery an one wire at the - no matter which one. and you need stay with the wires 3 - 4 minutes on the battery ! then you put the battery on the phone it will start and then you cand fully charge it with the usb cable ! good luckk ! i hope my inf will help you!

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no it doesnt work that way.
what i need is the simple answer : what is so special into the pinouts of htc cingular 8125 wall charger?
thats what i need only. Then I might figure out how to proceed
Thanks anyway

I don't know if anyone else has had trouble doing what I have done, but I've got the Cingular 8125 (HTC Wizard 100), which is also known as the HTC 8125.
1. I bought a car charger at a convenience store for $6 that had the mini-USB plug. It worked like a charm. Never any problem there.
2. I also bought a standard USB to mini-USB cable from the local computer store, because I had lost mine, and it also worked fine for both synchronization and for charging.
3. I bought a second wall charger, buying a standard mini-USB wall charger sold pretty much everywhere cellular phone chargers are sold. It's a common charging port, and this generic worked for me as well.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has had problems with these types of devices not properly charging the unit.
Even my USB cable for my portable USB hard drive will power my unit.
EDIT: About your problem with it not charging. I had that problem about a year ago, when my battery got extremely old. It wouldn't charge even with the original charger. I just needed a new battery. The batteries get old and stop taking a charge after a certain amount of use. How long this takes depends on how heavily the batteries are used. They, like car batteries, do not last forever.

I had this problem when I had my wiz too. The battery died and drained, and my phone refused to charge it. I took it to an AT&T service center, and they had no clue what the problem was, and they wanted to issue me a replacement (it was a G4, I had a G3, I wasn't about to fiddle with that at the time.) So I asked to borrow a demo device they had there to fix it. I charged my battery on their demo device no problem, got it up to 3%, and finished charging it through my USB cable in the car socket.
It appears to be a sort of one-in-every-few-or-so type condition, but I got hit with it.

seems like noone can tell me if something special inside the mini-USB plug.
i realy cant charge. Very nice device, but i cant make it charging up whit cables.
guys, from up there, say that nothing special about the charging cables, but i trust what i see not what i read.

Perhaps there is a problem with your USB port on the device? USB charging has standards, and all devices that need power from a USB port have the same power pin configuration. Otherwise, they can't call it a USB connection. It would have to be called a proprietary connection, and they would have to change the plug size/dimensions and pins.
If there isn't a problem with your battery (which is the most likely source of your problem), then it may be a loose connection on your USB connector. This happens with a number of devices.
If a sync cable connects to the PC but will not charge the battery, then you definitely have an unusual pin detachment of some sort, or a bad battery.

thanks again..
for pity i was writing a lot to make my recent post and finaly it desapeared cause my session was left.. its funny in some case, but now i just dont want to repeat all what was intended to be posted
i give only the link where you might see why i was assuming that this is a kind of a special matter here with that htc 8125 charging
//pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml
so, any more help will be appreciated a lot
thanks

SOLVED: HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125) Dead Battery Wont Charge
Dozzen said:
hi ! please forgive me for my bad english! in this case you can charge your phone in 1 way! you need to procure a motorola or any charger with same socket but attention the charger must have 6 volts and no less than 500 mAh(milli amps)! you cut the wires and one wire put on the + of the battery you will see the signs on the battery an one wire at the - no matter which one. and you need stay with the wires 3 - 4 minutes on the battery ! then you put the battery on the phone it will start and then you cand fully charge it with the usb cable ! good luckk ! i hope my inf will help you!
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Hi - Too bad for the OP that asked questions but did not listen to this brilliant post.
I have confirmed that a variation of this method works perfectly! I have an old Cingular 8125 that I have been trying to charge for over a year using various USB chargers and NONE would charge the device.
The reason that this may happen is that the original charger has an output of 1 full amp which is much higher than most chargers. The voltage is the same but you need a charger that can handle such a strong current draw.
Nearly all USB chargers can only handle around 250milliamps - 500milliamps which is about half the power needed to breathe life into a fully discharged battery.
The best solution is to NEVER let the battery fully discharge.
Here are the details of what I did:
1. Find the best match charger of 5-6 DC Volts and ability to put out as close to one amp (1000mA) as possible. I chose an old Sanyo SCP-07ADT that is rated at DC 5.4V at 800mA. The plug can be any type, no need to be USB.
2. Cut the connector off the end of the cable and strip the outer black part up about an inch and then strip the positive and negative (red / black respectively) wires up about a millimeter, just enough to have bare metal ends to touch to a small area.
3. Take your battery out of the phone, look at the back of battery for the + and - marks which correlate to one of the metal connection points on your battery, this is where you will "touch" or "attach" the bare ends of the wires.
4. Plug the charger in making sure not to short your bare leads. Before you do this double check that the OUTPUT of your charger is indeed DC voltage so that you don't hurt yourself. You do not want AC output and it can be dangerous.
Then touch the bare end of the red wire to positive of battery, and black wire to negative terminal of your battery. I held them with my fingers while surfing the web for about five or ten minutes. I had no idea if anything was happening or not but it "felt" like the battery might have gotten just a bit warmer.
5. Unplug the home-made bare wire charger and put battery in your phone. Quickly attach a USB charger or just plug into a USB cable of your computer. I pushed it in and nothing happened at first but finally I heard the standard "bleep" when you plug a USB device in. I knew that I made progress because it never beeped before it took about 30 seconds and several "bleeps" of connecting/disconnecting from USB but eventually the charge light stayed on!
It's been about 30 minutes and I'm up to about 50% charge and been using the phone heavily while charging.
So, in summary... never let your battery discharge below 5% or you can only charge it with an OEM cable rated at 1amp (rare). IF you let it discharge to "dead" then charge for 5-10 minutes with the "wire" method and then charge normally!
Thanks to Dozzen for the original idea!!

Wizard that won't charge
When my Wizard/HTC 8125 goes dead my cure for the battery is to use a 9 volt charger with the wires stripped back also. But, my method is a bit different. I place a standard Christmas Tree light bulb (the newer small ones)in series with the charger wires. Observe the correct polarity. The battery is labeled + and - so that part is easy. By using the small light bulb you are doing 2 things. 1.You can see the slight glow from the bulb and know that proper connection is made. 2. You are limiting the charging current to the battery.
If you get really creative like I did you can solder a couple of small nails or in my case a set of red and black probes to the setup and the points on these nails/probes make for much easier connections. Note.... This method may take a few minutes longer but, is much easier on the battery.
In my experience once the battery is below a certain level NO charger that I plug in will work. I just purchased a used 8125 from eBay and brought it back to life most successfully with this method.

hy there my htc wizard battery whos dead so i charched with a cable with + and - the phone starts but when i try to connect to a usb or a adaptor it doesnt charge anymore it show me the charge icon on the baterry but it doesnt charge the usb works fine it's sync to my pc but it doesnt charge anymore... what sould i do?

So it seems no one touched on what really matters here.
A design flaw, in my opinion. The HTC Wizard cannot recharge via USB unless there is enough power to turn on. The reason is because it requires the OS to charge.
So, what many people already posted are very creative ways to charge your 8125. The easiest and cheapest way, in my opinion, is to use AA batteries.
1) Take two AA batteries and tape together so they are in series. Imagine it like this... [- AA battery #1 +][- AA battery #2 +]
2) Use two wires and tape one to each side of the AA's (one on the + side and another on the other battery's - side since the - of the first battery is connected to the + of the second).
--w-i-r-e--[- AA battery #1 +][- AA battery #2 +]--w-i-r-e--
3) Connect the positive (+) wire to the positive (+) side of the phone. By this I mean the 6 metal pieces that stick out to contact the phone battery. I did it by wrapping the wire around the top most one (or second top most, it's been over a year since I've done this.).
4) Connect the negative (-) wire to the negative (-) side of the phone. Again, bottom most or second bottom most (see #3).
5) Insert phone battery while the wires are still in and connected to the two AAs.
6) Let the power flow for 30 seconds or so and then try turning your phone on. This part is the important part because you cannot use a USB to mini-USB connected to your computer to charge the phone unless the operating system can function. Meaning, it needs to be turned on first.
7) Once the phone is on, plug in the mini-USB part and connect it to a computer. I'd recommend getting at least 5% battery before disconnecting the AAs, seeing as you need to be able to start up your phone long enough for the OS to boot. Once the OS boots, you can fully charge it through a normal USB to mini-USB connection on any computer.

old post but just wanted to say thanks. Used the wire to battery method and got phone turned on after 2 mins of holding wires to battery.

Battery charge current help needed

Long story, but I bought a used Fascinate without the stock charger.
Could someone install, or hopefully already have, the "Battery monitor Widget". Then plug their Fascinate into the stock AC charger or stock car charger (NOT the USB on a PC), and let me know what the usage (ma) reading is on the widget.
More of the story. Basically, I know that at least on older HTC devices they would pull more charge/operating power from a non-USB connection. Actual USB is limited to 500ma load, so they had a system that kept the current low on USB and bumped it up for non-USB. All of the non-stock cables that I have show a very low charge rate on the Fascinate. It in fact runs the battery dead while on charge and I use the phone with GPS software.

i can tell you the factory charger is putting out 5v at .7a(700ma).

Mylt1 said:
i can tell you the factory charger is putting out 5v at .7a(700ma).
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Thanks, it is good to know that they stick with 5V. But it just means that it can put out up to 700ma. I suspect it is using about half of that.
If you can cut open the wires and insert and ammeter in series, that is what I need to know.

edit: nvm ...

Found it. I have been searching for this for a couple of weeks and just now stumbled on the right search keywords.
For anyone that wants to know.
The Fascinate appears to pull about 350ma from the 5 volt supply normally. But, if you short out the USB D+ and D- lines in the charge connector, the charge current goes up to about 600ma.
That will help me not have a dead battery when using the GPS.
Oh, as an added bonus, you don't get the USB / Debug notification.

Extreme difference between charging on pc and charger

I can't remember if this has been happening before, but when I have the HD2 conncted to a computer it takes forever to charge. Maybe 1 % per 10 or 15 minutes! Charging on the regular charger is so many times faster. Mybe 1 % per minute or so. This can't be right, can it? I have the same problem on my HD2 and my wife's HD2. They both are using the same ROM (ironically it's the Energy Max Sense ROM...). Is it possible that the ROm is the culprit? They both have quite new original batteries.

USB port supplies less than half the "oomph" of the wall charger. USB charging will run about 300mAh while wall charger will supply about 800mAh
Also, older PC power supplies and older USB 1 sockets may provide even less, depending on what other devices are in/on your machine drawing power.

Yes, thanks. I know that. But that shouldn't accord for an at least 10 time slower charge. And I know that they weren't like this before, but I can't remember how long before. And I have no idea if it can be the radio ROM, the regular ROM or what.

I use energy ROM but older 23699 & see no issues on USB charge rate but yours does seem rather long, what status is the device in when USB connected & is screen off !

Also, keep in mind that the rate of charging goes down as the battery level approaches 100%. So maybe u r comparing charging rates measured over different regions of the curve, i.e. observing the rate with usb charging when the battery is around 90% will be drastically different from the reading observed with wall charging when the battery is at 10%.
Sent from my HD2

Mastiff said:
I can't remember if this has been happening before, but when I have the HD2 conncted to a computer it takes forever to charge. Maybe 1 % per 10 or 15 minutes! Charging on the regular charger is so many times faster. Mybe 1 % per minute or so. This can't be right, can it? I have the same problem on my HD2 and my wife's HD2. They both are using the same ROM (ironically it's the Energy Max Sense ROM...). Is it possible that the ROm is the culprit? They both have quite new original batteries.
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if youre running windows 6.5 the quickest way is to turn the phone off then charge
or get a cheap chinese battery charger 6 dollars and a spare chinese battery extended around 10 bucks with 2400 mah double the juice i got a couple of those i never charge my phone anymore lol

Mister B, I have tried with the phone both on and off. But I really need to keep the phone on because I get a lot of work mail and SMS that I need to keep an eye on. Also I don't think I had problems with earlier versions of Energy, I may have to try to go back and see if it's the ROM.
ASCIIker, no. The problem isn't the final bit of the charge. If I put it in when it's around 30 % it almost won't charge at all. If anything it looks like the phone is getting a better charge when it's close to 100 %.
Casemandan, I have a charger like that you describe, but I do a lot of driving with TomTom, and even though I did change battery on the run yesterday it's not something I would recommend...
Btw I have the same problem in the car, with a combined charger/battery charger cradle that I have put there. The red/orange charging light is on, but it goes slowly down instead of charging. But I'm wondering if that is because the car charger is connected to a mini USB in the cradle, not to the micro USB. I have to try that.

I don't have mine connected for much time via USB to PC but when do & have left on charge rate seems acceptable, could be ROM as I found a few issues with newer builds.
As for car charger the low rate will be down to the power adaptor unit being recognised as USB charge not AC charge.
If the Power adaptor you are using can feed 800mA<>1000mA then modding it by bridging data leads so handset goes to AC charging rate is the way forward. Use tbattery to see what current charge mode is.
You may be able to buy car charger already set for AC charge (have a browse in HD2 accessories forum) but I use an old USB 1000mA Ericsson adaptor I bridged for AC charge mode.
Like you say testing charge direct in car is a good idea as many of the phone/battery charger cradles output pathetic charge current.

Well, it's not the ROM. I tried an original ROM and had the same problems. I need to see if there is something wrong with my cradle. I do have a charger that should do what you describe, but when it's plugged into the cradle in the car it doesn't. I'll try to connect it to the micro USB instead of the mini USB and see if that matters.