hi there.
shortly-i have this phone with no orig. usb cable and with no wall charger. it was friend of mine phone actualy. given to me with dead battery (i am not sure but i have trouwn it away long time ago)
first I did was to wait until friends of mine from china had sent to me 2 batteries compitable with the phone. what i discovered is that a normal ordinar usb cable cant charge the phone's battery it only can connect to the pc.
second what i did is this: i found my old charger from a very old panasonic cell phone and had a try to make the charging process with the simply contacting corresponding pinouts of the battery to the +&- of this same charger (somehow i dissasembled the plug of that charger and it became more "comfortable" to get in touch to the pinouts of the specific cingular's battery)
that unordinar way i did discovered that i can charge these batteries even not sure how much appropriate that other brand wall charger is. It seems its pretty much the same as a power characteristics.
Meanwhile (as i dont use this phone) i had some free time to search the net and to have better idea about that strange unordinar power charging matter with that model of a phone. The situation is that i cant find a place nearby me to buy a cheap usb and wall charger and become using this nice device finaly.
And also i dont want to buy these cable things before clearly understand why this happens ..
I did try also to charge this phone with a HTC brand wall charger but no sucsess again cause it seems this wall charger is for other htc phone (even same mini usb plug and same characteristics)
What i need is to have answers by someone very informed about that matter and let me know what exactly is the specific power charging matter (need explanations i mean) with this phone. If sharing some good ideas about how to remake others usb cable or wall charger for geting it work along for me in such a case , i will appreciate this very much
thanks
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hi ! please forgive me for my bad english! in this case you can charge your phone in 1 way! you need to procure a motorola or any charger with same socket but attention the charger must have 6 volts and no less than 500 mAh(milli amps)! you cut the wires and one wire put on the + of the battery you will see the signs on the battery an one wire at the - no matter which one. and you need stay with the wires 3 - 4 minutes on the battery ! then you put the battery on the phone it will start and then you cand fully charge it with the usb cable ! good luckk ! i hope my inf will help you!
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no it doesnt work that way.
what i need is the simple answer : what is so special into the pinouts of htc cingular 8125 wall charger?
thats what i need only. Then I might figure out how to proceed
Thanks anyway
I don't know if anyone else has had trouble doing what I have done, but I've got the Cingular 8125 (HTC Wizard 100), which is also known as the HTC 8125.
1. I bought a car charger at a convenience store for $6 that had the mini-USB plug. It worked like a charm. Never any problem there.
2. I also bought a standard USB to mini-USB cable from the local computer store, because I had lost mine, and it also worked fine for both synchronization and for charging.
3. I bought a second wall charger, buying a standard mini-USB wall charger sold pretty much everywhere cellular phone chargers are sold. It's a common charging port, and this generic worked for me as well.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has had problems with these types of devices not properly charging the unit.
Even my USB cable for my portable USB hard drive will power my unit.
EDIT: About your problem with it not charging. I had that problem about a year ago, when my battery got extremely old. It wouldn't charge even with the original charger. I just needed a new battery. The batteries get old and stop taking a charge after a certain amount of use. How long this takes depends on how heavily the batteries are used. They, like car batteries, do not last forever.
I had this problem when I had my wiz too. The battery died and drained, and my phone refused to charge it. I took it to an AT&T service center, and they had no clue what the problem was, and they wanted to issue me a replacement (it was a G4, I had a G3, I wasn't about to fiddle with that at the time.) So I asked to borrow a demo device they had there to fix it. I charged my battery on their demo device no problem, got it up to 3%, and finished charging it through my USB cable in the car socket.
It appears to be a sort of one-in-every-few-or-so type condition, but I got hit with it.
seems like noone can tell me if something special inside the mini-USB plug.
i realy cant charge. Very nice device, but i cant make it charging up whit cables.
guys, from up there, say that nothing special about the charging cables, but i trust what i see not what i read.
Perhaps there is a problem with your USB port on the device? USB charging has standards, and all devices that need power from a USB port have the same power pin configuration. Otherwise, they can't call it a USB connection. It would have to be called a proprietary connection, and they would have to change the plug size/dimensions and pins.
If there isn't a problem with your battery (which is the most likely source of your problem), then it may be a loose connection on your USB connector. This happens with a number of devices.
If a sync cable connects to the PC but will not charge the battery, then you definitely have an unusual pin detachment of some sort, or a bad battery.
thanks again..
for pity i was writing a lot to make my recent post and finaly it desapeared cause my session was left.. its funny in some case, but now i just dont want to repeat all what was intended to be posted
i give only the link where you might see why i was assuming that this is a kind of a special matter here with that htc 8125 charging
//pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml
so, any more help will be appreciated a lot
thanks
SOLVED: HTC Wizard (Cingular 8125) Dead Battery Wont Charge
Dozzen said:
hi ! please forgive me for my bad english! in this case you can charge your phone in 1 way! you need to procure a motorola or any charger with same socket but attention the charger must have 6 volts and no less than 500 mAh(milli amps)! you cut the wires and one wire put on the + of the battery you will see the signs on the battery an one wire at the - no matter which one. and you need stay with the wires 3 - 4 minutes on the battery ! then you put the battery on the phone it will start and then you cand fully charge it with the usb cable ! good luckk ! i hope my inf will help you!
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Hi - Too bad for the OP that asked questions but did not listen to this brilliant post.
I have confirmed that a variation of this method works perfectly! I have an old Cingular 8125 that I have been trying to charge for over a year using various USB chargers and NONE would charge the device.
The reason that this may happen is that the original charger has an output of 1 full amp which is much higher than most chargers. The voltage is the same but you need a charger that can handle such a strong current draw.
Nearly all USB chargers can only handle around 250milliamps - 500milliamps which is about half the power needed to breathe life into a fully discharged battery.
The best solution is to NEVER let the battery fully discharge.
Here are the details of what I did:
1. Find the best match charger of 5-6 DC Volts and ability to put out as close to one amp (1000mA) as possible. I chose an old Sanyo SCP-07ADT that is rated at DC 5.4V at 800mA. The plug can be any type, no need to be USB.
2. Cut the connector off the end of the cable and strip the outer black part up about an inch and then strip the positive and negative (red / black respectively) wires up about a millimeter, just enough to have bare metal ends to touch to a small area.
3. Take your battery out of the phone, look at the back of battery for the + and - marks which correlate to one of the metal connection points on your battery, this is where you will "touch" or "attach" the bare ends of the wires.
4. Plug the charger in making sure not to short your bare leads. Before you do this double check that the OUTPUT of your charger is indeed DC voltage so that you don't hurt yourself. You do not want AC output and it can be dangerous.
Then touch the bare end of the red wire to positive of battery, and black wire to negative terminal of your battery. I held them with my fingers while surfing the web for about five or ten minutes. I had no idea if anything was happening or not but it "felt" like the battery might have gotten just a bit warmer.
5. Unplug the home-made bare wire charger and put battery in your phone. Quickly attach a USB charger or just plug into a USB cable of your computer. I pushed it in and nothing happened at first but finally I heard the standard "bleep" when you plug a USB device in. I knew that I made progress because it never beeped before it took about 30 seconds and several "bleeps" of connecting/disconnecting from USB but eventually the charge light stayed on!
It's been about 30 minutes and I'm up to about 50% charge and been using the phone heavily while charging.
So, in summary... never let your battery discharge below 5% or you can only charge it with an OEM cable rated at 1amp (rare). IF you let it discharge to "dead" then charge for 5-10 minutes with the "wire" method and then charge normally!
Thanks to Dozzen for the original idea!!
Wizard that won't charge
When my Wizard/HTC 8125 goes dead my cure for the battery is to use a 9 volt charger with the wires stripped back also. But, my method is a bit different. I place a standard Christmas Tree light bulb (the newer small ones)in series with the charger wires. Observe the correct polarity. The battery is labeled + and - so that part is easy. By using the small light bulb you are doing 2 things. 1.You can see the slight glow from the bulb and know that proper connection is made. 2. You are limiting the charging current to the battery.
If you get really creative like I did you can solder a couple of small nails or in my case a set of red and black probes to the setup and the points on these nails/probes make for much easier connections. Note.... This method may take a few minutes longer but, is much easier on the battery.
In my experience once the battery is below a certain level NO charger that I plug in will work. I just purchased a used 8125 from eBay and brought it back to life most successfully with this method.
hy there my htc wizard battery whos dead so i charched with a cable with + and - the phone starts but when i try to connect to a usb or a adaptor it doesnt charge anymore it show me the charge icon on the baterry but it doesnt charge the usb works fine it's sync to my pc but it doesnt charge anymore... what sould i do?
So it seems no one touched on what really matters here.
A design flaw, in my opinion. The HTC Wizard cannot recharge via USB unless there is enough power to turn on. The reason is because it requires the OS to charge.
So, what many people already posted are very creative ways to charge your 8125. The easiest and cheapest way, in my opinion, is to use AA batteries.
1) Take two AA batteries and tape together so they are in series. Imagine it like this... [- AA battery #1 +][- AA battery #2 +]
2) Use two wires and tape one to each side of the AA's (one on the + side and another on the other battery's - side since the - of the first battery is connected to the + of the second).
--w-i-r-e--[- AA battery #1 +][- AA battery #2 +]--w-i-r-e--
3) Connect the positive (+) wire to the positive (+) side of the phone. By this I mean the 6 metal pieces that stick out to contact the phone battery. I did it by wrapping the wire around the top most one (or second top most, it's been over a year since I've done this.).
4) Connect the negative (-) wire to the negative (-) side of the phone. Again, bottom most or second bottom most (see #3).
5) Insert phone battery while the wires are still in and connected to the two AAs.
6) Let the power flow for 30 seconds or so and then try turning your phone on. This part is the important part because you cannot use a USB to mini-USB connected to your computer to charge the phone unless the operating system can function. Meaning, it needs to be turned on first.
7) Once the phone is on, plug in the mini-USB part and connect it to a computer. I'd recommend getting at least 5% battery before disconnecting the AAs, seeing as you need to be able to start up your phone long enough for the OS to boot. Once the OS boots, you can fully charge it through a normal USB to mini-USB connection on any computer.
old post but just wanted to say thanks. Used the wire to battery method and got phone turned on after 2 mins of holding wires to battery.
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my wizard battery won't charge.
i have tried another battery and another rom with no change.
wehn i plug in the sync cord, the izard reognizes that it is on external power but just won't charge the battery.
any ideas.
thanks
...try to find out, by measuring, if the ±5Volt DC is present on the pins on the inside of the ppc which is needed to charge the battery. Probably your charging circuit is busted and the ppc should brought back for repairs...
thanks for the response
what is ppc
where do i measure the voltage.
when i first connect the sync cable, it starts to charge for one or two seconds and then stops and reverts to a normal non charging screen.
thanks
PPC stands for Pocket PC
What you speak of, I had the same problem on my wizard.
My battery finally died and I couldnt re-vive my phone.
I bought a new battery off of ebay, put it in, plugged it into the charger that came with my phone, let it charge overnight and I havent had a charging problem yet.
My advice, as well as alot of others on this board, dont use any other charger other than the one that the phone came with. I know I wont be.
...inside your ppc,when you remove your battery, you'll see different connection pins which are normally connected to the battery. With power attached (and without battery) you measure between 2 pins at a time. WATCH OUT for shortcircuiting, be careful!!!. You can use an analog or digital voltagemeter. I don't know which pins, so you have to try it yourself.
You should measure ±5 Volt DC which's delivered by your adapter. If there's no power then your charging circuit is defect and you'll have to let it repair...
reading about a volt on the internal pins that connect to the battery.
so it's the charging circuit.
damn
I had the same problem twice with 2 different batteries. it seems if the batterie dies completely, the device can not recharge itself. something like a car, you need to have enough juice to start the car so you can recharge the battery.
I took 2 paper clips that i used to connect the charger directly to the battery( bypassing the phone). you need to be careful with that, make sure you connect the right battery pins. I left my battery like this for 15min, just enough to have aniough power to start the phone and continue the charging process regularly.
As mlarif said the battery can fail to charge if totally discharged. So if you are not absolutely certain your circuit is faulty there are at least two threads here describing how to butcher a usb cable to jump start the battery.
Sorry I can't remember the colours of the wires off the top of my head. But a search may find the relavent posts.
...you can also use a 9 VDC battery to give the ppc batteries a boost for a few seconds. But indeed be sure to use the right pins
(btw did you measure any VDC on the batteries..?)
All,
I'm looking for a company which is able to clean and repair my HERM300 device.
It got wet and now when I want to charge it the led turns red.....
When I leave my device on a warm radiator it works and I can use the device...
But it seems to fail when it gets colder....
Any suggestions?
Cheers and thanks,
Hellejoep
hellejoep said:
All,
I'm looking for a company which is able to clean and repair my HERM300 device.
It got wet and now when I want to charge it the led turns red.....
When I leave my device on a warm radiator it works and I can use the device...
But it seems to fail when it gets colder....
Any suggestions?
Cheers and thanks,
Hellejoep
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Can you say a bit more on "fail when it gets colder...."
I ask because soon maybe tonight I'm going to make a post on the charging and Red light problem but I'm just wondering exactly what you mean by "fail"
Cheers
Mike
mikechannon said:
Can you say a bit more on "fail when it gets colder...."
I ask because soon maybe tonight I'm going to make a post on the charging and Red light problem but I'm just wondering exactly what you mean by "fail"
Cheers
Mike
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It blacks out as soon as I connect it to my activesync via USB....
Is it a short circuit?
Or something else?
Cheers,
Hellejoep
mikechannon said:
Can you say a bit more on "fail when it gets colder...."
I ask because soon maybe tonight I'm going to make a post on the charging and Red light problem but I'm just wondering exactly what you mean by "fail"
Cheers
Mike
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I would like to add something, may be you already know, to red led knowledge. I have a car charger (just plain chinese USB charger with usb cable) When I connect my HERMES I could have 3 conditions: orange (charging) Nothing (not charging) or RED (?). If I soft reset, with charger connected, I ALWAYS have orange, after Windows Mobile screen, But if I disconnect and reconect I have ALWAYS No Light
connecting hermes to charger without battery also enables red light.
Charging Problems - Red Light of Death (RLOD)
Battery Charging Problems, in particular the RLOD so called because the phone refuses to charge and the red LED shows, indicating that the battery is NOT charging.
Background
Problems with charging are not HTC or Windows Mobile specific. Similar if not identical problems are reported across many models and platforms. The issues centre around the state of charge of the battery and the interpretive circuitry in the device and charger. Typically a device will show a Red light rather than an Amber charging light. (NB: RED LED always shows when battery is absent or fails to charge). see also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1076879&postcount=28
Getting the battery to start charging once this light is shown is not always straightforward and is as unpredictable and temperamental as priming a water pump (those that have done this will know what is meant). In other words, and to put it crudely, you need to kick start the system. Unfortunately those that have managed to do this have usually tried lots of things before it starts working again. This makes it hard to be absolutely certain about the solution other than perhaps the last 4 or 5 actions taken.
Those that have managed to recommence charging have not reported that the problem recurs on a frequent basis. (possible exception of in-car charging issue). This issue requires patience and time, (time maybe critical, it is possible the issue would resolve itself perhaps as charges dissipate within battery and circuitry involved). However the following points seem probable solutions and were thought to work by some who resolved the problem.
Failure to Charge (Red LED Lit when charger connected)
Causes of this problem are unclear, but in practical terms events leading up to this issue have included:
1
Leaving the phone on charge overnight (possibly but not necessarily with certain programmes or connections running) It seems a fault occurs in the charging system, which causes the battery charge to drain rather than increase. Resulting battery charge is very low. (Another Blog will be added concerning an Active Sync issue which can cause the battery to drain over-night through repeated connection attempts)
2
Through heavy use or not re-charging often enough so that the battery is permitted to reach a sub 10% charge (not precisely known but likely to be very low)
Possible Solutions:
A
1.) Remove battery
2.) Connect the phone to the charger or USB
3.) Insert the battery while connected to charger
4.) Red light should turn Amber
5.) Soft Reset
If this does not work immediately it is suggested that the battery be removed from the phone for around 1 hour and the above steps repeated.
OR
B
It has been found with some phones charging can be re-started by:
1 ) Remove battery
2 ) Connect charger (Optional. I would try this potential solution without the charger connected the first time I try this. If it fails to work then I would repeat the steps with the charger connected)
3 ) Holding the battery, line it up wiith the phone's battery contacts.
4 ) Move the battery rapidly on and off the contacts
6 ) Repeat the above until the Amber charging light comes on. So after perhaps connecting/disconnecting 20 times, insert the battery properly and give it a few seconds to see if the LED turns Amber.
7.) Soft Reset
NB: I have seen two reports where those attempting this report a fairly loud "pop" sound following which the phone began to charge. However in one case the person reported that they then had subsequent problems of signal reception on the phone and thought the popping sound may have been related to this.
OR
C
If your problems remain after trying this a few times you could always try the following to manually charge the battery a little (enough to let the phone charger circuit detect the battery is present when you put it back in)
1) Remove the battery from the phone!
2) Take 3 fresh AAA batteries in series (total 3 x 1.5V = 4.5V)
3) Connected the (+) wire to (+) on the battery
4) Connected the (-) wire to (-) on the battery
5) Hold this in place for 60 seconds.(possibly longer you are trying to charge it enough for charging circuitry to recognise there is a battery installed.
6) Put the battery in your phone
7) Switch on phone and start charging (via USB)
Hopefully you will get the Amber charging light.It may be worth repeating this a few times if not successful on the first try.
The electrical contacts are all important, poor contacts will render this a worthless exercise.
I leave it to you to decide how you connect the wires. If you have no other means you could enlist the help of someone to hold the batteries and wires together while you connect to the phone battery! Warning - Do not connect a mains based transformer to the battery with an incorrect charge rate (mAh) and voltage (V). Any attempt to force charge using mains transformers could be extremely hazardous (explosive). Only a qualified/competent person should attempt to charge the battery in this way. Similarly, even if you are using batteries to do this task, do not leave them connected for more than a few minutes and stop immediately if either set of batteries become warm.If the problem persists:The final resort - a new battery.
Mike
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Very good article Mike, I linked it on the Hermes problems wiki page
i just want to add my 2 cents to this, there was an earlier post on here that mentioned the car charger deal where it wont charge unless you turn the phone off, plug it in, then turn the phone.. right now i am on my 2nd 8525 and it has done this, but its not only the car charger (cheap belkin car charger) but it sometimes does this with usb cradle i got from ebay, i have opened the cradle and there isnt anything different, its a straight usb connection, hmm except now that i think about it there is a blue LED, but it shouldnt be drawing enough current to cause this. Also i have a motorola charger in my office that i used with my wizard (i believe output is slightly different, if i remember correctly its a .5 amp where as the HTC charger is 1 amp) but it also behaves in the same manner... the only 2 methods that work constantly and consistantly of plugging in without turning off is either the factory charger, or a regular usb cable on the pc..
just seems weird since all of these problematic situations worked fine on the wizard and i believe they both have the power requirements...
let me toss another idea in the fire here on this, something that just occured to me... i wonder if this somehow could be related to the factory installed driver for this. what made me think of this is how the battery meter only goes by 10%.. could this funky driver be the source of the problem?
shogunmark said:
right now i am on my 2nd 8525 and it has done this, but its not only the car charger (cheap belkin car charger) but it sometimes does this with usb cradle i got from ebay
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If your cradle is not connected to your PC, or if your PC is off while you see the behaviour you described, then the likely reason is that pin 4 of the Mini USB connector isn't grounded on both your car charger and cradle. See here for more details.
Cheers
Daniel
pof said:
Very good article Mike, I linked it on the Hermes problems wiki page
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Cheers pof.
Some of the type sizes are a bit strange (but readable!) serves me right for copying and pasting from Word formatting!
Tadzio's link is good/informative and I edited in a link to it in my post - though it's on this page anyway.
Mike
tadzio said:
If your cradle is not connected to your PC, or if your PC is off while you see the behaviour you described, then the likely reason is that pin 4 of the Mini USB connector isn't grounded on both your car charger and cradle. See here for more details.
Cheers
Daniel
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cradle is connected to pc at all times, and i will deal with the car charger for now cause my HTC one should be arriving any week now, but thanks for the tip!
8525 (hermes) Charging may be voltage sensitive
I have noticed with my new 8525 (USA Cingular model of phone) that it came with a 5.5V charger. Whenever I connect to a 5.0 V USB source charging the phone is very "iffy". Given that the standard for USB is 5.0 V (4.75 - 5.25) there is a problem with the design. My question for the HTC crowd is can this be fixed via a ROM change or are we stuck with a bad design?
hellejoep said:
All,
I'm looking for a company which is able to clean and repair my HERM300 device.
It got wet and now when I want to charge it the led turns red.....
When I leave my device on a warm radiator it works and I can use the device...
But it seems to fail when it gets colder....
Any suggestions?
Cheers and thanks,
Hellejoep
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http://www.america.htc.com/support/service-repairs.html
Since you got it wet, it is most likely not covered by the warranty, these and the numbers for out of warranty repair if you live in the U.S. I know that for cingular, you have to ship it to them yourself, and they will charge you a $28 diagnostic fee, before telling you how much is costs to fix the problem (if they even can)
heh here almost the same, providers are charging ~$29.5 USD as diagnostic fee but they are more polite, they first tell estimated costs, and only ask for the sum if you (usually) don't order the repair but need back your phone
Hellejoep:
if you are willing to send it abroad (inside EU) and you are either not need "overnight return" or such nonsense or cover the extra costs such operations really need, you may contact me. no diagnostics fee or anything such (though you will have a small loss.
about the charging problem:
the same issue occurs also in Wizard/Prophet, and Charmer (compactII) as well. though not in Magician, even so that they share the exactly same battery.
I believe it must have something to do with the charging controller. I don't have a disassembled unit at home with me now, but I suppose it should be a crap companion chip from Texas, to be interfaced with the ever-worst TI OMAP platform
(sorry, no hard feelings, pals, but someone using such one as an actual everyday phone must have some sorta mental problem )
strange battery issue
Hi all,
I've a similar issue with any charger.
It happened first with car charger (one cradle with an usb output): sometimes it charged, most of all it charged only when power was off.
Now I cannot charge with any method. (those described here: battery charging problems)
Usb cable (it's not original), original power supply, even with the y cable.
When i try to charge, it drain battery (i tried with a new one) and amber led blinks slowly instead to be firmly light.
There's anything I can do?
It's a SPV M3100 buyed two months ago on ebay.
I tried also with two roms WM6 official release ITA ver and Schap's 3.54b ITA ROM WM6
radio 1.48
Any suggestions?
Herm200/tytn problems
hi to all,
i read most of your post on possible problems with this PDA (HERM200/HTC TYTN).
i'll try to spent some few words to explain the story around my pda.
i live in italy and i bought the TYTN on december 2006 and for 6 months with his software problems i used it day by day in my business activity, untill one day, it falled down the ground from my and with all the leather cover (bundled with the pda, an hard black belt cover); then i took it and picked up a telephone number from my addres book and then putted it in charge for all the night; when, late in the morning, i took it, i noted that there was still the red light of the battery indicator and then PDA didn't turned on.
i tried to make soft/hard reset but nothing.
I carried to the italian warranty service of HTC and after 7 days they deliver to me the PDA in the same state that i carried; on the technical report there was: pcb damaged, battery connector pinouts damaged, pda not Repairable - out of warranty.
i thought: "i have had a lot of care for this PDA that still look like as new one"
and now i have a 700€ of unusefull PDA.
Last day i finally decided to open my PDA to find broken pieces and more.... but nothing.... i observed really well: NOTHING of wrong.
Now i will to know if somebody of you, can suggest me something to revive my PDA or suggest me any service center (affidable) in europe (not like the italian one) where to send it for maintenance: I DONT WANT TO THROW OUT MY PDA!
Thank you in advance for your attention and patience.
ps: sorry for my english, i hope it will be comprehensive.
therock-htc said:
Now i will to know if somebody of you, can suggest me something to revive my PDA or suggest me any service center (affidable) in europe (not like the italian one) where to send it for maintenance: I DONT WANT TO THROW OUT MY PDA!
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If I understood you correctly, your TyTN still works - it just cannot charge the battery, right?
Then, probably one of the cheapest (although not perfect) solutions is to get a cradle that can charge a battery outside the TyTN (like this one on eBay). You will have to power down your TyTN, remove the battery and put it in the cradle every other night or so, so it's not very convenient. But it's cheap. Maybe you'll want to keep this as "plan B" in your mind while you look for a more perfect solution.
Cheers
tadzio
elehcimo said:
Hi all,
I've a similar issue with any charger.
It happened first with car charger (one cradle with an usb output): sometimes it charged, most of all it charged only when power was off.
Now I cannot charge with any method. (those described here: battery charging problems)
Usb cable (it's not original), original power supply, even with the y cable.
When i try to charge, it drain battery (i tried with a new one) and amber led blinks slowly instead to be firmly light.
There's anything I can do?
It's a SPV M3100 buyed two months ago on ebay.
I tried also with two roms WM6 official release ITA ver and Schap's 3.54b ITA ROM WM6
radio 1.48
Any suggestions?
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Hello!
I had also a battery charging problems with my MDA Vario II (TyTN; Hermes; HERM300):
1. Charging from the AC mains supply with the original miniUSB 5V charger: no problems.
2. Charging in the car with the non-original car lighter miniUSB 5V charger: it was charged only when the phone was OFF; no charging when the phone was ON.
3. Charging with the USB-miniUSB 5V cable connected to the notebook: it is charging only when the phone is OFF; no charging when the phone is ON.
So I asked myself: what is the difference between all these three cases? They are all miniUSB 5V power sources... And I found out an answer: It should be a matter of the USB current amperage.
Original AC miniUSB 5V charger delivered with the phone is 5V/ 1A. When I have bought the car 5V miniUSB charger with the 1A (one amper) amperage - there is no problem with car battery charging anymore... ;-) The phone is charged either way: ON or OFF.
But is it possible to charge the battery correctly from the notebook? I think not, because I have no influence on the current value from the 5V notebook USB.
Previously I had MDA Vario (Wizard): in this phone there were no battery charging problems... I wonder why the are some with the Hermes...
Take care,
Przemo
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And I found out an answer: It should be a matter of the USB current amperage.
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This is not correct. The problem is well understood and has been discussed several times.
The key is that your device tries to sense what it is connected to:
- if there is USB data traffic, it concludes that it is connected to a computer. It will then negotiate the current (power) it can draw from the USB port with that computer.
- otherwise, your device checks if pin 4 of the connector is pulled to ground. If yes, it concludes that is is connected to a dedicated USB charger, and starts charging, consuming as much power as it needs. This mechanism seems to work only if the device is on - and sometimes not even then (bug?). I guess the mechanism is implemented in software, so it can't function when it is off.
- otherwise, it doesn't know what it's connected to. Could be a computer in stand-by that didn't power off its USB ports or something. Your device concludes it may be unwise to start charging (could, for example, drain the other device's battery).
The cheap after-market chargers do not connect pin 4 to ground (pin 5), so your device doesn't charge. If you are really good with a soldering iron, try connecting pins 4 and 5 of the charger's USB connector, and you'll see that your device will start charging with it.
Cheers
tadzio
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If I understood you correctly, your TyTN still works - it just cannot charge the battery, right?
Then, probably one of the cheapest (although not perfect) solutions is to get a cradle that can charge a battery outside the TyTN (like this one on eBay). You will have to power down your TyTN, remove the battery and put it in the cradle every other night or so, so it's not very convenient. But it's cheap. Maybe you'll want to keep this as "plan B" in your mind while you look for a more perfect solution.
Cheers
tadzio
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Thank youu Tadzio,
but my PDA is DEAD !
I still don't try to charge the battery separetly.
The reason is that when i carried the PDA to service i leaved the PDA and Battery: i dont wanto to believe that service dont check the battery !??!?
However , i will try to charge the battery separetly and then i will know you the outcome.
Thanx and Cheers
Therock-htc
Not sure if this is right part of forum, but here it goes.
I am having an issue with the charging of my O2 XDA Mini.
If my battery dies, with still a small bit of power left in it (enough to get splash screen) and I go to charge it works fine no problem. Now over the wkend my phone died on my and I left it till this afternoon when I tried to turn on, it wouldnt turn on at all (not even splash) because obviously the battery is completely dead. Now when I go to plug it in, it wont charge, from USB cradle, the little orange light to say that its charging doesnt even come on.
Last time this happened I eventually got it to work via a friends socket (plug) charger, rather than USB, charger. Is there any reason for this or anyway that it can be fixed that even when the battery is completely dead I can charge it from my USB cradle.
Any help would be apreciated.
Thank you in advance
Rattlehead
Sorry to bump this, but does anyone have any idea. I beleve the cause of this is due to the fact the USB power from the PC isnt enough to get the charging process started, is there anyway to get this done via the cradle.
Thanks
Rattlehead
You'll need to use a charger that plugs into a wall socket I'm afraid. This happened to me once & that was the only way I could get it to work. If you search on Google, you'll find methods that involve a stripped down usb cable, but a wall charger is definately easier.
Good luck.
Should any usb based wall charger work?
I have a Motorolla one and Ive tried that but that didnt work.
I know for a fact that when I use my friends one it works and will charge, but he aint round for another 2 weeks
Poop
Rattlehead.ie said:
Should any usb based wall charger work?
I have a Motorolla one and Ive tried that but that didnt work.
I know for a fact that when I use my friends one it works and will charge, but he aint round for another 2 weeks
Poop
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You cannot charge a totally flat battery through usb cable using PC,cuz it only supplies 0.5(500)amp,whereas to get the dead battery back into charging,it requires a supply charge of 1.0(1000)amp,secondly you can only charge the phone via usb if it's working normal and not when it's dead,as you cannot boot into OS.
Therefore,it'll only start to charge with a 'Wall Charger' which only supplies 1.0 amp,your friend's Wall (Mains) charger must be suppling a 1.0 amp charge.You cannot even charge it with the Motorola usb charger cuz it also supplies only 0.5 amp.So try to get a Wall (Mains) charger to get it start charging.
OR,
Yes! you can Jump start the battery using Motorola charger,but you'll have to sacrifice the motorola charger to do it,as you'll have to cut off the usb plug of the charger cable end and attach the 'Red' wire to the '+' (Possitive) connector of the battery and black wire to the '-' (Negative) connector of the battery and give Shock Charge to the battery for 10 seconds,repeat this for 4/5 times,it'll give the battery a jump start and will increase the 'Pulse' level of the battery,after that put it in the phone and check if it loads up,if it does then you can charge it via usb cable connected with PC.
Good luck
BTW ! there's an excellent thread regarding charging to avoide the battery to go flat and saving from getting into this situation,it wud be very info for you,check it also :-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=342162
Cheers
zabardast_1 ,
You are the Guru ~
sorry couldnt reply to you before now, zabardast_1 thank you so much.
Thats great will have a look tonight and see what I can do
Here is a simple way of solving the problem, go and buy a charger, they cost next to nothing.
I recently left my Cingular 8125 in Bootloader mode over night, connected to my PC not knowing that it couldn't charge while in that mode. I woke up, and couldn't turn it on; I eventually found out that the battery couldn't charge while in Bootloader mode.
The only solutions that I've seen posted are to: (A) Get another charged battery, (B) Charge your battery in a working Wizard
Both solutions aren't possible for me at the moment... what I needed to know is if there is a way to charge using some funky wiring rig using standard AA batteries to power it for about 7-10min. or so.
Cut one end off an old usb cable. Then plug the usb cable into your computers usb port and touch the black wire to the (-) on the batt and the red wire to the (+) on the battery. It takes a few minutes, but the battery will charge. Then put the battery back in the phone and boot into the os. Then charge the phone as usual.
Jeff
You can jump some wires to your battery from a battery charger to get some power to your battery --- need 5.7 volts -- positive to positve, negative to negative but I would not recommend doing this. Your battery is a lithium Ion which takes a special charge. Take it to a Cingular Store and ask the clerk if they could just charge it up in another phone for a couple of hours. I'm sure they won't mind.
Lithium Ion batteries are fussy about how they are charged, so its best to do it in another phone or a charger made for your battery.
Cheers!
Thank you guys sooooooooooo much for the info.
You have no idea how important this is.
EDIT: I stripped the USB cable, the outer wire is silver and there is quite a bit of it... there are four wires encased in the middle: one black, one brown, one red, one orange... I do not know which wires to connect to the pads on the battery.
Q: Suddenly my car charger (cigarette lighter plugged) is not working anymore. After 5 mins. my device stops charging..... is there anybody having the same problem and knows how to solve it?
If it's after a period of time maybe a battery contact issue?
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Q: Suddenly my car charger (cigarette lighter plugged) is not working anymore. After 5 mins. my device stops charging
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If you've already read the sticky posts relating to car chargers and your (mystery brand) charger isn't one of those, then maybe your phones battery terminals and connectors need careful cleaning with a cotton bud moistened with contact cleaner or IPA. I had a problem with my mains charger ceasing to charge my TyTN II after a minute or two a long time ago and after cleaning as described, the problem went away. Be sure not to spray the contact cleaner or IPA onto the phone or battery, only the cotton bud/Q-tip and then gently rub that on the spring contacts and battery terminals. How does charging via mains adapter or PC USB port go?
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If you've already read the sticky posts relating to car chargers and your (mystery brand) charger isn't one of those, then maybe your phones battery terminals and connectors need careful cleaning with a cotton bud moistened with contact cleaner or IPA. I had a problem with my mains charger ceasing to charge my TyTN II after a minute or two a long time ago and after cleaning as described, the problem went away. Be sure not to spray the contact cleaner or IPA onto the phone or battery, only the cotton bud/Q-tip and then gently rub that on the spring contacts and battery terminals. How does charging via mains adapter or PC USB port go?
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Thats the thing: adapter/ USB port works for recharging.... v strange
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Thats the thing: adapter/ USB port works for recharging.... v strange
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It still could be a battery contact issue as voltages may differ slightly when using the car charger compared to the other forms of charging. As an example if the Kaiser is set to stop charging when the supply voltage drops below a certain value and the car chargers voltage is lower to start with (and fluctuates with normal driving/electrical usage) then that may explain things. It's well worth doing this cleaning every so often anyway as a matter of course so give it a try and see what happens.
Additionally, could heat be a factor eg if it's sitting on a hot dash or near heater vents (the device is designed to not recharge above certain temperatures)?
Flying Kiwi said:
It still could be a battery contact issue as voltages may differ slightly when using the car charger compared to the other forms of charging. As an example if the Kaiser is set to stop charging when the supply voltage drops below a certain value and the car chargers voltage is lower to start with (and fluctuates with normal driving/electrical usage) then that may explain things. It's well worth doing this cleaning every so often anyway as a matter of course so give it a try and see what happens.
Additionally, could heat be a factor eg if it's sitting on a hot dash or near heater vents (the device is designed to not recharge above certain temperatures)?
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Thanks for the advice, i will give it a try
if you have any adapters that allow for another usb input, nice a headphone adapter, or the HTC Multifunction Audio Cable YC A300, a ycable or anything with a USB in, try that first.
if that doesn't work, take the unit into your retailer and they will give you a new (or refurbed) unit, as your USB port may have a pin or two out of whack.
This may be weird, but my tilt used to charge just fine from most USB chargers(car, AC, usb cords). One fine day it quit charging off most chargers except the official AC charger from AT&T. I tried to fiddle with the USB pins inside as one looked like it might be a bit bent/damaged. No luck.
However, yesterday I noticed that My Settings->System->Power->Advanced settings page had following option checked:
'When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC'.
Once I unchecked it, it started charging of PC USB cables (obviously), but strangely enough also charging from my car charger(s). Hope this works out for you or someone else...
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This may be weird,
'When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC'.
Once I unchecked it, it started charging of PC USB cables (obviously), but strangely enough also charging from my car charger(s). Hope this works out for you or someone else...
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It is probably because your normal USB pin 4 and 5 in the cable of your other chargers are not shorted to signal that there is no data connection. So your phone thinks it is connected to a PC (or a device which might send it data), hence not charging the battery according to that setting
I have a similar infuriating problem, i have had a MDA VArio III for over a year now, had an issue with my last one and had a replacement issued in October. Now i have used the Brodit active holder (ciggy lighter version) since day one over a year ago and wit the new MDA as well. now all of a sudden phone will not charge in the holder, borrowed a friends active cradle still no charge, used a no brand usb ciggy ligther charger and charges fine!!!!
When phoe n is placed in the holder orange charging light comes on but phone does not charge and the light goes out 5 mins later!!!
any ideas anyone???
thanks
Matt
Mattcity said:
I have a similar infuriating problem, i have had a MDA VArio III for over a year now, had an issue with my last one and had a replacement issued in October. Now i have used the Brodit active holder (ciggy lighter version) since day one over a year ago and wit the new MDA as well. now all of a sudden phone will not charge in the holder, borrowed a friends active cradle still no charge, used a no brand usb ciggy ligther charger and charges fine!!!!
When phoe n is placed in the holder orange charging light comes on but phone does not charge and the light goes out 5 mins later!!!
any ideas anyone???
thanks
Matt
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Problem solved - Pin 5 on my phone was ever so slightly out of alignment, bent back into place and all is now well! strange it only affected the brodit holders, nothing else!
Car charger failure explained
I also experienced this same problem and actually broke my phones mini usb plug in frustration at lack of charging. Got it fixed again though
The reason for this problem has become apparent since my phone was repaired. In your car, like my car when the heater is switched on it will gradually heat up the cigarette lighter socket. My charger cable like yours has a thermal safety circuit built into it. So when the ciggy socket heats up the heat is transferred to the charger plug and breaks the elec charging circuit. You might see me driving around London with my charger plug hanging out of my window (to cool it down) on a Winter's day!!! Honk if you do.
The solution would be a cheaper charger without the thermal circuit built in. Go into Maplins or PC World and ask them for that..... They dont know what your talking about, because I have already tried.......! Good luck
You just need to make sure to enable your phone to charge when connected to PC.
Start->Setting->System->Power->
UN-CHECK the box that said "When device is turned on, DO NOT CHARGE the battery when connected to PC"