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As you all,, (who know that -TOUCH HD- IS NOT a shiny brick with a big screen),, know HTC TOUCH HD has a Qualcomm MSM7201A cpu...
The Qualcomm MSM7201A cpu IS a DUAL CORE CPU----- in this page: http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas..._on_Qualcomms_Advanced_Dual-Core_Chipset.html : its written """Qualcomm has optimized the Android software by integrating it with Qualcomm's MSM7201A-a single chip, dual-core solution that combines high-speed processing, hardware-accelerated multimedia capabilities, 3D graphics and built-in, multi-mode 3G mobile broadband connectivity for an optimal wireless experience.""""
HTC TOUCH HD has the same cpu as the G1!!!!
So I wish to know-- is it possible to get these two cores working in Windows Mobile 6.1, with any ROM or Tweak,or will we have to wait for WM 6.5 or WM 7???? (btw does WM6.5 use dual core)
If you didnt understand something, then ask-- Ill try to tell it differently!!!
Im latvian and Im still learning English!!!
btw full HD specs-- http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1469
think it's more driver related issue.
xmoo said:
think it's more driver related issue.
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Its not an issue, or maybe it is....-- I have heard that WM6.1 just doesnt support Dual Core but WM 7 will support it....---- That means that somewhere or someone has these drivers or anything to make our Touch HD support dual core
this is nice. maybe the developers of the android version for the touch hd can optimize the drivers for "bringing the horses to the cpu".
maybe....maybe....
AFAIK, it's a lower level than drivers; multi-core support would have to be built into the scheduler of the kernel. So don't get your hopes up.
deepinside88 said:
this is nice. maybe the developers of the android version for the touch hd can optimize the drivers for "bringing the horses to the cpu".
maybe....maybe....
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I have to say on the new Android kernell (by orux)
the speed is amazing!
xmoo said:
I have to say on the new Android kernell (by orux)
the speed is amazing!
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does this kernel support multi core cpu and is this testable? i know the speed is really nice but it this quite faster than an optimized win 6.1 rom?
Does it mean that second core is idle now?
Feromon said:
Does it mean that second core is idle now?
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Yes it is idle if you use WM 6.1 ( all of us use it !!!! )
Android supports dual core-- uses both cores!!
one of them is used for phone and related GSM functions, the second one is for whole OS...but maybe i'm wrong...I read it somewhere, but can't remember where exactly
excuse me guys but is possible to make our blackstone totally an android system-based?
Berry29tm said:
excuse me guys but is possible to make our blackstone totally an android system-based?
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They are working on that.
thomas.clatter said:
one of them is used for phone and related GSM functions, the second one is for whole OS...but maybe i'm wrong...I read it somewhere, but can't remember where exactly
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Naah--- OS and Phone is using only one cpu (1st core) --- other cpu (2nd core) stays completely idle-- not used not stressed -- just standing there for nothing!!!
If HTC would update us with Windows Mobile 7 (when its out) then we would have a dual core Ppc and a Dual Core capable OS..... But now we have only a dual core ppc
I think that "DualCore single chip solution" means that the CPU and the ATI graphics core are together in one package! DualCore PPC sounds to futuristic to me! Even the 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon is not DualCore to my knoledge!
OrionBG said:
I think that "DualCore single chip solution" means that the CPU and the ATI graphics core are together in one package! DualCore PPC sounds to futuristic to me! Even the 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon is not DualCore to my knoledge!
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No its dual core ( two cpu's ) even snapdragon is dual core -- just google "dual core qualcomm" first thing which comes out is snapdragon- dual core capable of 1.5 ghz...look further an youl see that qualcomm MSM7xxx cpus are dual core --- two cpus
---OK **** the discusion about the cpu:
CAN WE GET SOMEKINDA DRIVER OR ROM WHICH HAS DUAL CORE SUPPORT???
WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR WINDOWS MOBILE 7, OR CAN WE GET OUR HANDS ON DUAL CORE A BIT EARLY????
I think at the moment Linux/Android is our best hope
I'm sorry, but can you post proof? A link to an official document stating the device actually has 2 CPU CORES?
The Qualcomm MSM720X chipset has one cpu core, and a gpu which are on the same chip. That's all.
And no, there's no driver for it. Why do you think there are so many topics about a Graphics driver missing in MSM720x devices? Simple. Because Qualcomm never released them in public, and OEMs have to pay licensing fees for them.
Please don't confuse people on XDA with this rumors based on nothing, research your stuff before making a topic out of it.
Kristaps-K9-Lv said:
No its dual core ( two cpu's ) even snapdragon is dual core -- just google "dual core qualcomm" first thing which comes out is snapdragon- dual core capable of 1.5 ghz...look further an youl see that qualcomm MSM7xxx cpus are dual core --- two cpus
---OK **** the discusion about the cpu:
CAN WE GET SOMEKINDA DRIVER OR ROM WHICH HAS DUAL CORE SUPPORT???
WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR WINDOWS MOBILE 7, OR CAN WE GET OUR HANDS ON DUAL CORE A BIT EARLY????
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Must we trust you, a random guy from latvia, who disses a phone off in his signature wich you couldnt compare to.(toshiba)
Should we trust you just if you say that you read somewhere that the chipset supperts dual core?
Mayb the guys from qualcomm mean that there is ONE cpu, and ONE gpu...so 2 cores on the same chip...dual core?
Hey and why HTC pay for a chipset who is not using it's full capabilities...i think they learned from the TyTn II driver debacle and dont do this anymore.
Theres no such thing as dual core in our chipsets, it is only CPU+GPU.
Gr Bram
excuse me for my english
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Naah--- OS and Phone is using only one cpu (1st core) --- other cpu (2nd core) stays completely idle-- not used not stressed -- just standing there for nothing!!!
If HTC would update us with Windows Mobile 7 (when its out) then we would have a dual core Ppc and a Dual Core capable OS..... But now we have only a dual core ppc
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thomas.clatter meant Android, not win mobile 6.x and with his android - text he`s right, one cpu is for the gsm (and so on) stuff, the other is for the OS.
i hope we get our second cpu back from idle somehow.. -> android
Edit:
so, finally, its not the same CPU series from Qualcom like in the G1 Phone from HTC? Then we can stop the discussion about dual core @ blackstone - for sure.
REALLY BIG MISUNDERSTANDING (FOR ME)
THE CPU IS DUAL CORE AS CPU AND GPU INTEGRATED ---http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_phone --- by the cpu spec is written dual core- cpu/gpu, basicaly its dual core as one cpu and one gpu -- I gues the PC and PPC worlds arent so even!!!
MY MISTAKE, BUT PEOPLE ARE MISUNDERSTANDING IT EVERYWHERE--- JUST GOOGLE IT, PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED EVERYWHERE, AND IM ONE OF THEM :| !!!!!
SORRY FOR THE BIG CONFUSION, DELETE THIS WHOLE THREAD PLEASE!!
Hey there
This might be a bit stupid question but I am curious.
I already own blackstone for some time and I love it..
But I am curious. Is blackstone's 528 MHz processor bad?
There aer new devices coming with 600 MHz. Of course they are faster and newer but in comparison with blackstone, is it too much difference?
Does somebody know?
Thanks.
Sopis said:
Hey there
This might be a bit stupid question but I am curious.
I already own blackstone for some time and I love it..
But I am curious. Is blackstone's 528 MHz processor bad?
There aer new devices coming with 600 MHz. Of course they are faster and newer but in comparison with blackstone, is it too much difference?
Does somebody know?
Thanks.
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Think of it like you would with a personal computer. This device has been out for some time now and newer technology is available now. A 528 MHz processor for a phone is pretty good in my opinion but things always get better.
Is it bad? No way, not at all. The Touch HD is a great device. It can be very fast and productive, especially if you run custom ROM's on it.
There are even better things than a 600 MHz processor already available and coming out soon. The HTC Firestone is rumored to have the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor. Other processors like the Atom and the Tegra are viable options as well...
If you want to read more about these, click here.
RE: Touch Pro 2 Overclock
Last time I had a windows mobile based device, I had the ability to change the cpu speed of the processor of the handset. Considering this isn't an ARM based cpu, and is made by Qualcomm. Would it still be possible, or can it currently be done to (software downclock/overclock) the current cpu within, Touch Pro 2.
Thank you in advance for your advice or input.
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Last time I had a windows mobile based device, I had the ability to change the cpu speed of the processor of the handset. Considering this isn't an ARM based cpu, and is made by Qualcomm. Would it still be possible, or can it currently be done to (software downclock/overclock) the current cpu within, Touch Pro 2.
Thank you in advance for your advice or input.
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wow.. can you really make it faster?? how much faster??
Th Qualcomm chipset has been a nightmare for that...
But it seems were are quite close to be able toverclock it
Check here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=507212
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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Return it and buy a Droid.
the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
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the touch pro 2 is more superior than the droid. personally id stick with windows mobile.
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In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
DeekoVB5 said:
In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Lets cross out the resolution. The touch pro 2 has a 800x480 screen. The droid is only 54pixels bigger. And at the screen size the droid is at that doesn't count for much.
DeekoVB5 said:
In some ways - most notably the keyboard. In other ways, such as the bigger, higher resolution capacitive touch screen, the MUCH faster processor, and the thinner build, the Droid is superior.
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
leonb1983 said:
Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.
You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491
I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know
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EnergyROM works really fine on HTC Touch Pro. You can easily find that ROM and test. That of course Windows Mobile but You can also try how Android works. Greetings
android 2.0 is the same as these mentioned ROM's
Not clear on the replies. I have a Sprint touch pro2 and would also like Android 2.0 instad of winmo 6.1
How do I get it
thanks
Its windows
First and up most android is better more apps open source larger community cant get done for modding and android looks better. Secondly its windows come on blue screen of death lol. and thirdly last search in google i remember them saying yes you can run android on a windows mobile phone if i find the link again i will post it.
old news android on windows mobile
heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
xillius200 said:
heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
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Android is phone specific. You need an android build that supports the touch pro2. 1 Rom doesn't fit all. Its the same for android custom roms and window mobile roms. You can't install a touch pro2 rom on a touch pro.
biggest hw difference = capacitive vs. resistive screen. Not sure which (if any) HTC phones have this obviously superior input capability yet...
droids are suffering from build related issues though. Most notably is a BSOD condition that requires connecting up to the charger to fix (even pulling the battery doesn't help). Also the audio jacks are breaking. Sounds a lot like the TyTN was....
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Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).
If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
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The DROID uses an ARM Cortex A8 based processor (the TI OMAP343) while the Touch Pro 2 (and basically all HTC devices other than the HD2) use the much older and much slower ARM11 processor (Qualcomm MSM72xx). Even though the clock speeds are similar (550 vs 528mhz) you can expect real world performance to be 200-400% improved with the OMAP3, due in part to the new ARM CPU and in part to the much better GPU and DSP.
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Hey guys i just recently got the touch pro 2 for verizon. and wanted to know if their was anyway i can put the android os on this phone or at least add xtra stuff onto the phone. help would be greatly appriecated thanks.
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And here's how you do it:
http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=470
treyatl2006 said:
Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.
Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
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The bigger point with the screen is capactive vs resistive, which is a VERY big difference.
As for the processor, mhz numbers don't tell the whole story. The HTC phones use a Qualcomm processor based on ARM11, the Droid uses a chip based on Cortex A8 - the A8 is CONSIDERABLY faster than ARM11 at the same clock speed.
Article on the subject, written by the founder of Anandtech: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/
Tp2.....hands down
Isnt this topic called Android on TP2????
I dont see any forum that has a topic called WM6.5 on Android.....Not even close.
So whats far more superior?!? A device that can emulate another os and more.
I think with a custom rom on my touch pro 2 is more than sufficient. The droid technology isn't up to its full potential yet. They are obviously headed in the right direction and the cosmetic aspect is enough to attract the average buyer. But for what counts the most I feel like the droid phones are about a quarter of the way up the mountain.
First off, I apologize for the other people's lack of response to the article at hand. As for the other people who did post links to Android on Windows Mobile, those links will not work as Android installations are device specific. Meaning and installation on one device probably wont work well for another.
Also, for those of you who posted instructions on flashing custom ROMs. While this may be a great idea for the time being, an Android installation can be run on basically any ROM. It doesn't matter if it is stripped or if it's the crap stock ROM. Once the Android image boots, it kicks Winmo off, and all processor and virtual memory goes to Android. So it is not an emulation, although it is booted from Winmo.
The Touch Pro 2 falls under the HTC Rhodium category on XDA-Developers, so most of your information on it, including Android ports, would be listed there. I did a quick Google search and found a thread with a bounty to get support for the TP2, so it should only be a matter of time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370
I just saw that Huawei launched PRO version, they even have firmware for this and website page http://www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/technicaIndex.do?method=gotoProductSupport&productId=3780 but there's is no info about specifications of phone.
I'm guessing what may be new in that "pro" version. I think it's for Europe only cause softwares are released for europe counties, one of them is mine ( http://page2rss.com/page?url=www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/downloadCenter.do?method=doListSoftware) and spain.
Maybe somebody knows something more about it?
They also have some Linux package for it http://www.huaweidevice.com/worldwi...=toDownloadFile&flay=software&softid=NDE1MTM= still don't get it what that package do Drivers or something like source code..
looks like it has 4gb internal memory
It has a upgraded 1Ghz CPU and some various hardware kinks worked out -
Also I'm guessing it will run Gingerbread with the Huawei launcher/skin.
Btw - do you have a method for downloading any of the files/ROMs which you found on the huaweidevice.com website using the page2rss cache ?
i hope its not just for European countries and that they release it everywhere else... SOON
here's the specs:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=3066&c=huawei_ideos_x5_pro
Looks like this version got a radio: Analog:Radio Receiver: FM radio (87.8-108MHz) ? (from Hayden18's link) Maybe that is why our u8800 got a radio chipset..
**** HUAWEI than! Just bought X5 and they released PRO version and the price is the same... My carrier sells it for 280$ (i'm guessing that it's PRO version cause i saw in firmware list that they, carrier got firmware for just PRO version).
And no i was unable to get any of those download links from rss feed
But version was 2.2.2 not 2.3
Any possibility to get our FM Radio to function with this Phone's ROMs (or something)?
Or is it a completely different qualcomm chipset? I miss my FM Radio when I commute...
Without custom ROMs the PRO is useless even tough it might be a bit faster.
people, it's not faster, that cpu is almost the same as regular x5's one which huawei CHOOSE to set clock to 800 mhz. only pro in pro xD is 4gb internal storage.
darkado said:
people, it's not faster, that cpu is almost the same as regular x5's one which huawei CHOOSE to set clock to 800 mhz. only pro in pro xD is 4gb internal storage.
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They chose to set it to 800MHz because it's an 800MHz CPU! Read the specsheets for the MSM7230...
The pro uses a MSM8255, 1GHz chip same as the Ideox X6.
flibblesan said:
They chose to set it to 800MHz because it's an 800MHz CPU! Read the specsheets for the MSM7230...
The pro uses a MSM8255, 1GHz chip same as the Ideox X6.
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Exactly my friend is a newer generation of processors, btw it has 2gb for internal sd and 1gb for applications, FM radio.
And no it doesn't have Gingerbread, it has 2.2.2
Later i will submit a print screen of the phone options.
Sent from my U8800Pro using XDA App
Odinforce said:
Exactly my friend is a newer generation of processors, btw it has 2gb for internal sd and 1gb for applications, FM radio.
And no it doesn't have Gingerbread, it has 2.2.2
Later i will submit a print screen of the phone options.
Sent from my U8800Pro using XDA App
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It's not newer generation. They're both Snapdragon S2.
Snapdragon is not the cpu itself, the cpu is called scorpion. The Snapdragon S2 systems have scorpions with 800MHz (our u8800), with 1000MHz (the Pro), and scorpions up to 1.5GHz... maybe these are all different scorpion-processors, maybe not. I am not sure if this always is the same processor with a different clock-setting.
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Snapdragon is not the cpu itself, the cpu is called scorpion. The Snapdragon S2 systems have scorpions with 800MHz (our u8800), with 1000MHz (the Pro), and scorpions up to 1.5GHz... maybe these are all different scorpion-processors, maybe not. I am not sure if this always is the same processor with a different clock-setting.
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X5 Pro's cpu: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a8255&c=qualcomm_snapdragon_msm8255
X5 cpu : http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7230&c=qualcomm_msm7230
infact i don't see any differences just pro uses 1Ghz by default, and x5 800mhz. But i think both are overclockable to the same freq. And both have tha same Adreno 205 Gpu. Also pro supports HSPA+ and i think many people don't give a crap about it Because that speed is just theoretical as everything in pc world
Tommixoft said:
infact i don't see any differences just pro uses 1Ghz by default, and x5 800mhz
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The sheets just say Scorpion, but not which scorpion.
flibblesan said:
They chose to set it to 800MHz because it's an 800MHz CPU! Read the specsheets for the MSM7230...
The pro uses a MSM8255, 1GHz chip same as the Ideox X6.
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MSM7230
Recommanded Minimum Clock Frequency: 800 MHz
Recommanded Maximum Clock Frequency: 1000 MHz
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7230&c=qualcomm_msm7230
MSM8255
Recommanded Maximum Clock Frequency: 1000 MHz
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a8255&c=qualcomm_snapdragon_msm8255
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Seems about the same?
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The sheets just say Scorpion, but not which scorpion.
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it says S2
Tommixoft said:
it says S2
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Please read my other post again. S2 is not the cpu.
Tommixoft said:
I just saw that Huawei launched PRO version,
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I'm guessing what may be new in that "pro" version. I think it's for Europe only cause softwares are released for europe counties, one of them is mine ( http://page2rss.com/page?url=www.huaweidevice.com/worldwide/downloadCenter.do?method=doListSoftware) and spain.
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We see in this link, the U8800-51 for Brasil-Claro. In the Huawei site we see also that new type.
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I am not sure if this always is the same processor with a different clock-setting.
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sure, it's same as motorola does with defy to defy+, cpu just has higher clock multiplier