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4G code in HTC EVO

I just read that Android doesn't naively support Wimax in 2.1 and Sprint put some of their code in to make it work on the EVO. This seems similar to the way HTC used code in 1.5 to make the Hero work before 1.6 came out. Is there any chance we would be able to take that code and have Wimax on the Hero? Please read disclaimer below in case you are about to flame me.
Disclaimer: I realize this may be a really stupid question. I'm unfamiliar with Wimax and what hardware it requires so if the Hero just doesn't have the hardware capabilities then obviously this is a mute point.

richse said:
I just read that Android doesn't naively support Wimax in 2.1 and Sprint put some of their code in to make it work on the EVO. This seems similar to the way HTC used code in 1.5 to make the Hero work before 1.6 came out. Is there any chance we would be able to take that code and have Wimax on the Hero? Please read disclaimer below in case you are about to flame me.
Disclaimer: I realize this may be a really stupid question. I'm unfamiliar with Wimax and what hardware it requires so if the Hero just doesn't have the hardware capabilities then obviously this is a mute point.
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pretty sure they wont be releasing that "code" to the public

richse said:
I just read that Android doesn't naively support Wimax in 2.1 and Sprint put some of their code in to make it work on the EVO. This seems similar to the way HTC used code in 1.5 to make the Hero work before 1.6 came out. Is there any chance we would be able to take that code and have Wimax on the Hero? Please read disclaimer below in case you are about to flame me.
Disclaimer: I realize this may be a really stupid question. I'm unfamiliar with Wimax and what hardware it requires so if the Hero just doesn't have the hardware capabilities then obviously this is a mute point.
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Moot point.

abcdfv said:
Moot point.
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and for those who wish to know what he means by this....
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/moot_point

code or no code the hero is not capible

Short answer: No
The radio is physically different. Just like GSM/CDMA are physically different.

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Wimax and 4g are just 2 of the reasons we will ALL be buying the EVO the minute it drops
EVERYONE WITH ME?????

MagnusRagnarok said:
Wimax and 4g are just 2 of the reasons we will ALL be buying the EVO the minute it drops
EVERYONE WITH ME?????
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I'm in!
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wait lol wimax and 4g are the same thing lol

When I bought my Hero last October I knew next to nothing about 3g/4g etc... except the fact that 4g was faster and supposedly coming very soon to SLC. The salesman at the sprint store told me that the Hero is 4g capable and would just get an update when 4g was officially available. He also told me that there was already spotty 4g coverage in the SLC area. I know now he didn't know wtf he was talking about and just told me that to sell the phone.

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I'm in!
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wait lol wimax and 4g are the same thing lol
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No they're not. "4G" is a standard term for certain speeds in mobile data networks.
(Technically WiMax is only a theoretical 4G network... in actual practice it's a lot slower than the 4G standard.)

at least he realized it was a dumb question while he was writing it... lol

TechniShawn said:
When I bought my Hero last October I knew next to nothing about 3g/4g etc... except the fact that 4g was faster and supposedly coming very soon to SLC. The salesman at the sprint store told me that the Hero is 4g capable and would just get an update when 4g was officially available. He also told me that there was already spotty 4g coverage in the SLC area. I know now he didn't know wtf he was talking about and just told me that to sell the phone.
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I"m sure that was salesman BS.
The Hero definitely does not have the radio for WiMax.

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Wimax and 4g are just 2 of the reasons we will ALL be buying the EVO the minute it drops
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I'll buy one the minute I see Root.

Is_907 said:
No they're not. "4G" is a standard term for certain speeds in mobile data networks.
(Technically WiMax is only a theoretical 4G network... in actual practice it's a lot slower than the 4G standard.)
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No it's not..
4G is a standard term for the "4th Generation" of Mobile Data Networks..Not the actual speeds..
The speeds are then classified by the competitor, based on their network capabilities...
The speed of the network is defined by WiMax standards... Not by 4G standards..

azyouthinkeyeiz said:
No it's not..
4G is a standard term for the "4th Generation" of Mobile Data Networks..Not the actual speeds..
The speeds are then classified by the competitor, based on their network capabilities...
The speed of the network is defined by WiMax standards... Not by 4G standards..
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True, 4G referes to 4th Generation. However, there are standards bodies (just like IEEE) that set out what minimum speeds are required to be considered 4th gen wired and wireless technologies (1Gbit for wired, 100Mbit for wireless.)

Eh really this does bring up something that will be interesting for me as a dev. I don't think that wimax/4g support is gonna be all in the kernel. For good reason. The modifications HTC made to get cdma to work in android 1.5 were not at all closed source kernel modifications. That is proven by the fact Maejep backported the gsm kernel to cdma and data worked the second he got it booting. The actual modifications HTC made were actually in the system build its self. Through apks that were closed source. Now I get and have gotten a few leak builds that have had wimax support in them. They were all gsm devices granted. But they still had a directory called wimax in the system. Now with that in mind my eclair dev build always had that directory in it and had the proper setup un the ramdisk to initiate wimax and it attempted to do so on every boot. Anyhow it was a given that the hero hardware didn't support wimax I know. But in regards to the Evo it leaves me wondering will we be able to use wimax in aosp builds. Will it be possible to move the wimax diff into aosp builds.
But yeah it just got me thinking

toastcfh said:
...But in regards to the Evo it leaves me wondering will we be able to use wimax in aosp builds. Will it be possible to move the wimax diff into aosp builds.
But yeah it just got me thinking
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Very interesting point. After all, you KNOW that everyone is going to want an AOSP EVO ASAP (darn, I got acronym blowout).

Is_907 said:
that set out what minimum speeds are required to be considered 4th gen wired and wireless technologies (1Gbit for wired, 100Mbit for wireless.)
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And what would those bodies be? Because in my 10 year wireless experience, this would be the first mention I have heard of them...........
The wireless standards are set by what the network capability is.. No ifs or buts.
The 1G,2G,3G,4G references are only for the customer so they know what "level" they are on...
The only standards are set by what the technology can withstand, and are not "set" until after usage and bandwidth tests are run by the network...And they approve of those data ranges...
So again, the "standard" is set by how much data WiMax can move...
WiMax is not theoretical... Clearwire has been using it for the better part of 4 years now.. And the speeds are going to be the same as they always have. They used WiMax for the disaster relief people during Hurricane Katrina.. It is a ten year old technology..

I'm sure there's a different radio in there, but... isn't WiMAX a newer version of 802.11x. Eg. 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11n, etc.?
There hasn't been any mention of it, but could it possibly be backwards compatible with 802.11n?

mercado79 said:
I'm sure there's a different radio in there, but... isn't WiMAX a newer version of 802.11x. Eg. 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11n, etc.?
There hasn't been any mention of it, but could it possibly be backwards compatible with 802.11n?
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Kind of...
It is a brand new protocol 802.16, and it does support some limited normal WiFi(802.11), but there is a brand new architecture for connecting IP-based networks, so some sort of scripting would need to be ran to convert back to the 802.11 architecture..
So.....
in short, probably not...

WiMax; "Not actually 4G", says ITU.

I could really give a crap. I'm actually thinking about moving closer to Cincinnati so I can take advantage of the 7+mbps download speed I got while at Kings Island yesterday and cancel my home internet service.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/4g-defined-wimax-and-lte-dont-qualify-683

I wonder what they plan to do then with the 4G button on our phones? lol...
Now is the time ITU desiced to say who is 4G and whos not?? And the funny part is that the technology they call 4G is not even available...

The engineering purists have always said that Wimax and LTE are not properly called "4G." They get shouted down or ignored by the marketers who run the carriers. Much sexier to claim "4G" than to call it something more descriptive and precise.
It's all nomenclature. Too bad that words can't just mean something. What willl the marketers call the real 4G when it comes along in real-world networks?

boomerbubba said:
The engineering purists have always said that Wimax and LTE are not properly called "4G." They get shouted down or ignored by the marketers who run the carriers. Much sexier to claim "4G" than to call it something more descriptive and precise.
It's all nomenclature. Too bad that words can't just mean something. What willl the marketers call the real 4G when it comes along in real-world networks?
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I claim it be dubbed "faster than 3g but not quite yet 4g which won't come for another 4 years"..and i want that put on the back of my phone and replaced as the text of the 4g button..now!

The marketers will probably call it 5G
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Instead of confusing consumers with Clearwire/WIMAX, HSPA+, and LTE let the carriers call the tech 4G. Its better this way.
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They will call it 4.5g+ or something lol....but real 4g is available(wimax 2)...Samsung demonstrated real 4g in a convention..said it requires minor updates to current boxes, backwards compatible with wimax 1 and outputs 330mbps of delicious speeds...
so lets go over the facts:
1) its a minor upgrade that doesnt even require change to the towers only an addon to the box as long as the box is made by samsung
2) Sprint happens to use samsung for their stuff
3) It is backwards compatible and would give increased speeds even to wimax 1 devices
So if you haven't figured out why sprint isn't making it happen yet..well neither have they >.>

gTen said:
They will call it 4.5g+ or something lol....but real 4g is available(wimax 2)...Samsung demonstrated real 4g in a convention..said it requires minor updates to current boxes, backwards compatible with wimax 1 and outputs 330mbps of delicious speeds...
so lets go over the facts:
1) its a minor upgrade that doesnt even require change to the towers only an addon to the box as long as the box is made by samsung
2) Sprint happens to use samsung for their stuff
3) It is backwards compatible and would give increased speeds even to wimax 1 devices
So if you haven't figured out why sprint isn't making it happen yet..well neither have they >.>
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I can easily think of two reasons:
1) If it is made by Samsung, it might not work as Samsung claims. (Sorry to sound cynical. I own an Epic.)
2) Sprint/Clearwire are already running out of capital just to complete the buildout of the Wimax "4G" network.

boomerbubba said:
I can easily think of two reasons:
1) If it is made by Samsung, it might not work as Samsung claims. (Sorry to sound cynical. I own an Epic.)
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Samsung is already powering providing the equipment and building out the network for sprint..whats an extra box gonna do >.>
2) Sprint/Clearwire are already running out of capital just to complete the buildout of the Wimax "4G" network.
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I don't know about you but at 330mbps connection id be willing to cancel my internet altogether and get the clearwire broadband...

gTen said:
Samsung is already powering providing the equipment and building out the network for sprint..whats an extra box gonna do >.>
I don't know about you but at 330mbps connection id be willing to cancel my internet altogether and get the clearwire broadband...
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I'd be willing to cancel my home internet with just 5mbps. I got 7mbps on 4G yesterday while at Kings Island..and I about ..wait for it..JIZZED..IN MY PANTS! Sorry, had to.

It's always bugged me that they call it 4G (and even moreso that T-Mobile is calling HSPA+ 4G), but I also understand that the average consumer is much too stupid to understand what a megabit is, much less distinguish between three different and rather complex technologies - if you don't boil it down to a stamp that reads "IT'S FASTER" on it, they won't buy it.

scriz said:
I'd be willing to cancel my home internet with just 5mbps. I got 7mbps on 4G yesterday while at Kings Island..and I about ..wait for it..JIZZED..IN MY PANTS! Sorry, had to.
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Im with you on this. I recently canceled my Fios at home since my 4G connection was faster on every speed test, both up and down, and 5 times more reliable. As long as I can tether my 4G to my computers, who needs home service!

The Vibrant has a 4g chip (Possibly not a rumor!)

Someone on AndroidSPIN mentioned this and I figured it deserved it's own topic because this may be hard evidence and not speculation.
Steven Drzaszcz 1 hour ago
There seems to be credible evidence here that the original Vibrant, at least in theory should support 14.4 : Halfway down the page, it mentions the samsung vibrant using the infineon 5703, which on their site, lists Class 10 as the chip support (14.4 speed)
http://www.ubmtechinsights.com/repo...estigative-analysis/samsung-galaxy-s/teardown
http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/channel.html?channel=ff80808112ab681d0112ab6ac1120609
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If the SGS does, in fact, have that chip- it could support 14.4 and be software locked to prevent it from accessing it. Anyone who knows more about hardware wanna take a stab at this? Thanks Steven at AndroidSPIN for bringing these facts out.

that is quite intriguing. Wonder what the "unlock key" is for this thing (if this is true.)

Nice post, I was just mentioning something like this in another thread.
It looks like they tore down a euro I9000 tho, not a T959.
I'm still willing to bet it's the same chip.
Now to find the method they used to cripple it.....

I think they have the same chips.

Interesting, that would be awesome if this was true and we were able to get 4G!

The Vibrant is capable of HSPA, not HSPA+. Basically meaning the Vibrant can use the tmobile 4g network but NOT at the advertised HSPA+ speeds. You will NOT be seeing 14mbs downloads on the carriers network.
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How fast have people got their Vibrants up to? Just got my gf a Captivate and it would be awesome if she saw a speed boost whenever AT&T gets off their fat ass and joins the 4G party.

mmalott said:
The Vibrant is capable of HSPA, not HSPA+. Basically meaning the Vibrant can use the tmobile 4g network but NOT at the advertised HSPA+ speeds. You will NOT be seeing 14mbs downloads on the carriers network.
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Do you know anything about hspa? The 7.2 hspa uses 16qam the 21 hspa+ uses 64qam. Same technology, same band. Simply faster modulation unless they use duel band in which both techs are supported. Im saying its possible. Not that it does or doesn't but I can debunk the not possible.
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How fast have people got their Vibrants up to? Just got my gf a Captivate and it would be awesome if she saw a speed boost whenever AT&T gets off their fat ass and joins the 4G party.
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AT&T has upgraded almost all of their 3G network to HSPA+ already. The reason AT&T speeds are slower than T-Mobile speeds is the simple fact that they have considerably more customers accessing their network at any given time.

Phateless said:
How fast have people got their Vibrants up to? Just got my gf a Captivate and it would be awesome if she saw a speed boost whenever AT&T gets off their fat ass and joins the 4G party.
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I'm gonna guess the fastest anyone's ever gotten on their Vibrant is 7.2mbps.
Just a guess.

remove your sim and power up the phone and hit (*#2263#) it will take you to a network service menu you want to select all bands and you will be utilizing the 4G network at that point....You may need a New 4G SIM card and or a Rom that Supports the 4G Data...Just my thoughts.

N8ter said:
AT&T has upgraded almost all of their 3G network to HSPA+ already. The reason AT&T speeds are slower than T-Mobile speeds is the simple fact that they have considerably more customers accessing their network at any given time.
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Why haven't they announced a single 4G phone yet? I know AT&T and T-mobile share part of their network, so I'm surprised that I haven't heard anything so far.

My understanding is that the 4G also has to be enabled by T-mobile for your account.

swehes said:
My understanding is that the 4G also has to be enabled by T-mobile for your account.
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I think that's a load of bs. If the phone has reception it will use the network.

DaveNavy said:
remove your sim and power up the phone and hit (*#2263#) it will take you to a network service menu you want to select all bands and you will be utilizing the 4G network at that point....You may need a New 4G SIM card and or a Rom that Supports the 4G Data...Just my thoughts.
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I tried what you said and yes a menu does come up, BUT, the selections are
1 Automatic
2 WCDMA BAND (Which is only GSM 3G)
3 GSM BAND (EDGE/GPRS)
4 COMBI BANDS.
It would seem if the theory is true, then certian software would have to be mod(ROMS) so that it would unlock or reconize the chip as being able to use the 4G data side for T-mobile/ATT. I know all of T-mobiles sim cards are the same regardless if you have a 4G phone or not. If the device/phone is able to pick up the signal it will automaticly, I don't think there is a separate data plan for the 4G(I'll be talking to tech support to verify) But Tmobile is switching to newer sim cards that will work better with there network in every phone regardless if its 4G/3G/or Edge.

i just got off the chat with a rep about the sim card thing
Julian Magana: if i enable 4g threw my plan will i need a new sim card
~Michael C: Welcome to T-Mobile Chat service Julian. My name is Michael and for your reference my rep ID is 13-20364. First, please allow me one moment to review the information you have provided.
Julian Magana: hello
~Michael C: Thank you for your patience. All of the our data plans for Smartphones will support the 4G speeds. There's no need to change your SIM card.
Julian Magana: ive seen several articles out the the vibrant + and the original vibrant are the exact same thing minus the ffc
~Michael C: I can't really say anything until Samsung releases the specifications of the new phone, since we don't have any information on it yet. It's possible that it could be 4G since we have a few 4G devices out, but we can't tell until Samsung releases the information.
Julian Magana: ok and i found this which compares both + and original
Julian Magana: http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Samsung-Vibrant-4G,Samsung-Vibrant/phones/5138,4747
Julian Magana: what do u know about that
~Michael C: I can't verify how accurate the information is because the details haven't been officially announced. According to that link it supports current 4G speeds (21 mbps)
Julian Magana: so if rumors are true, then the original vibrant can fully utilize 4g speeds but samsung has it hardware locked correct?
~Michael C: I haven't seen any cases where a phone was able to go from 3G to 4G speeds because of the firmware, the phone would need to be designed to use the 4G network.
Julian Magana: meaning a 4g antenna correct?
~Michael C: I'm not sure of the exact details, but the hardware needs to be built to use the 4G network. The Vibrant was a 3G phone released before we made any 4G phones, I don't think changing the original Vibrants to 4G would be an option.
Julian Magana: well if thats the case then im sure there will be a 4g antenna mod
Julian Magana: thats all the questions i have thank you for ur help
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he was real quick about ending the session lol

yes the chip is capable of 14.4 but is locked for now to 7.2, Some guy from Samsung even comfirmed this as well, infact he confirmed It I believe on January 11th or the 12th when people were talking about the Vibrant 4G.

Very interesting! I'm holding a possible free upgrade to the vibrant 4g in my hand! I'm keeping aneye on this thread!
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Just an observation but can the T-Mobile techs on chat get just a little bit of credit for...
1. being fairly knowledgeable about their products
2. doing a pretty good job of not promising something they know they can't deliver
3. being nice enough to put up the sh*t we propeller heads tend to give them via a chat or phone support session?
I know this isn't quite the right thread for it but a good part of the reason I've stuck with T-Mobile all these years is that they have always seemed to do a better job at supporting their products than their competitors...
So, lets give them credit if credit is due to them for doing a good job in the face of the swelling public outcry!

proresearch said:
yes the chip is capable of 14.4 but is locked for now to 7.2, Some guy from Samsung even comfirmed this as well, infact he confirmed It I believe on January 11th or the 12th when people were talking about the Vibrant 4G.
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you say this with such certaintity and state it as fact, can you provide the proof someone at samsung said this?

Thoughts about Sprint going to LTE

I have some theories about why Sprint might be going to LTE. Qualcomm has integrated LTE into their newer Snapdragon chips.
Meaning:
1) No need for additional wimax chip
2) Possible better integration into OS, particularly if Google adds LTE to Android.
3) Possible seamless transitions to 4G/3G
4) Mfrs. will be making LTE phones for AT&T and Veirzon. Adding Wimax for Sprint will add to design/implementation/testing cost.
5) Verizon is doing the work for Voice (and text) over LTE, may be easier to piggyback off of that than to develop it for WiMax
6) LTE is already specified/tested for the 800 Mhz bandwidth that Sprint wants to deploy 4G on whereas Wimax is not

1, sprint rushed to be the industry first with 4g.
2, Clearwire didn't have a solid financial foundation and wont give up enough control for sprints liking so they wont move forward with clear.
3,Lightsquared might just give up enough rights to there LTE network to make it profitable for sprint to make the transition seamlessly as possible with a simple chip swap in there towers and software update in house to make the transition.
There are some Pro's too this for the end user.
1, cheaper handsets, to the public
2, better pricing from the carriers

umm in a nutshell signal at 800mhz travels further and penetrates better. network infrastructure for LTE and Wimax make it easy to switch. So if you can get similar speeds, with less LTE antennas and better penetration, I cant see any reason why Sprint wouldnt make the jump. Plus Clear aint looking to good lol

good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html

Clear did a piss poor job of building out their 4g network. They were also hell bent on providing retail services to end consumers. Money was spent on providing retail services (retail employees, store front, etc) that could have been better spent on building the network.
My house doesn't get 4g, my subdivision is like an island surrounded by 4g. Just a few blocks away are a couple of apartment complexes, and there used to be a sign from Clear stating '10mb/s tested here' or something to that effect. So it almost seems like they were focused on building out a network in a way so their retail side could make more sales. The focused should have been building solid coverage. Right now 4g is too spotty and I rarely turn it on. It's only useful if you're stationary. This is in Houston, one of the first areas to get 4g.
This is all my opinion of course. I think this is why Sprint wants to build out their own lte network. Sprint wanted Clear to coordinate with Sprint on the buildout, clear wanted to do their own thing and had dreams of having a successful retail side. Now they're broke and wimax build out has slowed to a crawl.
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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.

HondaCop said:
They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?

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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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That is not where he keeps the rabbits...

sgt. slaughter said:
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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Interesting stuff but no links or docs. Are we just supposed to take his anonymous word for it?
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good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.

strung said:
This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.

form that link.. (which i am the OP of)
you can see how the other carriers with lte are planning to make it a toll road of it... this is 100% going to happen on lte.
wimax .. is open.. full access and should not be limited... of course anything can be designed or created to limit it.
i would rather take my chances with a maybe.. than a 100% sure pocket robbery.

sgt. slaughter said:
Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.
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What is the source for the claim that WiMax must be a neutral network? Who enforces this?
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LTE in and of itself is open as well. It's just that there are no rules governing putting in toll roads like on WiMAX. It's just like Android is in and of itself open-source, but others (HTC Sense, MIUI, etc) can and do create closed source iterations. Sprint going LTE doesn't preclude that they will put up toll roads.

hmmm net neutrality. Very controversial topic being debated on the hill with millions of dollars of lobbyist money. I'm more worried about where Justin bieber keeps his rabbit. Now thY
at would be an announcement show.

I'm no business genius but I propose a question.
What if Sprint is just letting Clear wither away for a while so it will be cheaper to buy them up and then do whatever the hell they want to with the network?
DISCLAIMER::: Do not take this as a rumor or start an argument over how I posted this without proof. This is just a thought for a discussion.

^^^
i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.

Dan330 said:
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i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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Yeah. It's just that officially, Sprint is a MVDO (equivalent of Cricket to Sprint) to Clear. Never understood how Sprint could be 51% owner, but yet have no direct control.

I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|

Hrshycro said:
I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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+9999999999 for sure.
Just ran a speed test on 3G. 148/381. Wtf.

Moto-X on Republic Wireless - $299

Isn't this an industry shocker: http://www.republicwireless.com/moto-x
With their $5, $10, $25 or $40 plans, it is hard to resist the Moto-X for $299.
FAQs: http://www.republicwireless.com/moto-x-faqs#improvements
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No way...
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Keep in mind that they will be selling the Sprint variant. This phone will not work on other networks as good as it does on any Sprint network provider. LTE will only work on Sprint. HSPA should work on other networks since they share the same frequencies, but whenever you don't have that, you need CDMA as fallback. End result is a really crappy coverage unless you live in a metro area with good Sprint HSPA.

Psilocin said:
Keep in mind that they will be selling the Sprint variant. This phone will not work on other networks as good as it does on any Sprint network provider. LTE will only work on Sprint. HSPA should work on other networks since they share the same frequencies, but whenever you don't have that, you need CDMA as fallback. End result is a really crappy coverage unless you live in a metro area with good Sprint HSPA.
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This.
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i'm still quite excited about this, sprint will have LTE in my area by the end of the year (so they say).
this seems like such a good deal, has anyone used republic wireless?
would sprint moto x roms work on this?

vonlupe said:
i'm still quite excited about this, sprint will have LTE in my area by the end of the year (so they say).
this seems like such a good deal, has anyone used republic wireless?
would sprint moto x roms work on this?
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I think you will have to check with RW. They have to install their special hybrid software to make this Wi-Fi calling to work. If you put a new ROM, the hybrid software may not be compatible. Check with them.
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I am skeptical. $299 is < 1/2 the price everyone else is chargin, plus they make next to no money on the service... so where are they making money?
Now maybe if UNICEF got into the cell phone business.... </JoeDirt>

icase81 said:
I am skeptical. $299 is < 1/2 the price everyone else is chargin, plus they make next to no money on the service... so where are they making money?
Now maybe if UNICEF got into the cell phone business.... </JoeDirt>
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We will find out in November.
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I'm curious if there's any way to flash this to use on ATT or T-Mobile. I'm sure it's locked either in the rom or elsewhere keeping it only on the sprint network though. Could anyone shine some light upon these chances?

Rarscaryfrosty said:
I'm curious if there's any way to flash this to use on ATT or T-Mobile. I'm sure it's locked either in the rom or elsewhere keeping it only on the sprint network though. Could anyone shine some light upon these chances?
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Republic Wireless rides on the Sprint network, so you're likely limited to Sprint. You could probably maybe put an ATT or T-Mo sim and get voice, and maybe HSPA+ on ATT like the Verizon X can, but I doubt T-Mo would be above EDGE speeds.

baiju2012 said:
I think you will have to check with RW. They have to install their special hybrid software to make this Wi-Fi calling to work. If you put a new ROM, the hybrid software may not be compatible. Check with them.
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This. I was excited until you brought me back to reality.
While custom may not be an option as xposed becomes more powerful it may not matter.
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[email protected] said:
This. I was excited until you brought me back to reality.
While custom may not be an option as xposed becomes more powerful it may not matter.
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We will find out in a couple of months.
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So for people using Sprint would we be able to root, flash a sprint rom, and then be able to activate it on Sprint? I would love to get this phone without having to pay $600 or renewing my Sprint contract.

Infinity03 said:
So for people using Sprint would we be able to root, flash a sprint rom, and then be able to activate it on Sprint? I would love to get this phone without having to pay $600 or renewing my Sprint contract.
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The RW site says it will be contact free. Buying at RW and activating on Sprint may be possible. It is unknown for now. But that option would be great for people on Sprint.
EDIT: Sorry for the bad news. Sprint will not allow this Moto-X on their spectrum of the Network: http://liliputing.com/2013/09/cant-use-299-republic-wireless-moto-x-sprint.html
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Not to rain on people's parades, but Republic is not on the list to even have an unlockable bootloader.
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM3Nzc4MTE0OC9zaWQvekI2RTYteWw=
I would imagine that's also why it's so cheap.
So root is a maybe, but putting a different carrier's image on it is a pipe dream.

mk1151 said:
Not to rain on people's parades, but Republic is not on the list to even have an unlockable bootloader.
https://motorola-global-portal.cust...sion/L3RpbWUvMTM3Nzc4MTE0OC9zaWQvekI2RTYteWw=
I would imagine that's also why it's so cheap.
So root is a maybe, but putting a different carrier's image on it is a pipe dream.
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I think that's illegal on CDMA devices anyways. Not sure. I also wonder if these Republic Wireless phones will have any resale value? $25-$40 per month is enticing though.

baiju2012 said:
The RW site says it will be contact free. Buying at RW and activating on Sprint may be possible. It is unknown for now. But that option would be great for people on Sprint.
EDIT: Sorry for the bad news. Sprint will not allow this Moto-X on their spectrum of the Network: http://liliputing.com/2013/09/cant-use-299-republic-wireless-moto-x-sprint.html
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Why would you want to use this on sprint? Use it on RW and save like $30 a month....
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eallan said:
Why would you want to use this on sprint? Use it on RW and save like $30 a month....
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That would be a good point to argue. But one scenario can be that somebody is stuck in Sprint contract and have a sub par phone. In that case paying $299 for moto x is a steal. In any case, if the speeds on the $40 RW plan is similar to Sprint speeds, then RW plan is the clear choice.
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I'm currently paying a hair over $100 on Sprint a month right now for service plus insurance. I'm strongly considering paying the etf and going to RW
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baiju2012 said:
That would be a good point to argue. But one scenario can be that somebody is stuck in Sprint contract and have a sub par phone. In that case paying $299 for moto x is a steal. In any case, if the speeds on the $40 RW plan is similar to Sprint speeds, then RW plan is the clear choice.
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It's LTE on Sprints network, i doubt it's different really.