I have some theories about why Sprint might be going to LTE. Qualcomm has integrated LTE into their newer Snapdragon chips.
Meaning:
1) No need for additional wimax chip
2) Possible better integration into OS, particularly if Google adds LTE to Android.
3) Possible seamless transitions to 4G/3G
4) Mfrs. will be making LTE phones for AT&T and Veirzon. Adding Wimax for Sprint will add to design/implementation/testing cost.
5) Verizon is doing the work for Voice (and text) over LTE, may be easier to piggyback off of that than to develop it for WiMax
6) LTE is already specified/tested for the 800 Mhz bandwidth that Sprint wants to deploy 4G on whereas Wimax is not
1, sprint rushed to be the industry first with 4g.
2, Clearwire didn't have a solid financial foundation and wont give up enough control for sprints liking so they wont move forward with clear.
3,Lightsquared might just give up enough rights to there LTE network to make it profitable for sprint to make the transition seamlessly as possible with a simple chip swap in there towers and software update in house to make the transition.
There are some Pro's too this for the end user.
1, cheaper handsets, to the public
2, better pricing from the carriers
umm in a nutshell signal at 800mhz travels further and penetrates better. network infrastructure for LTE and Wimax make it easy to switch. So if you can get similar speeds, with less LTE antennas and better penetration, I cant see any reason why Sprint wouldnt make the jump. Plus Clear aint looking to good lol
good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
Clear did a piss poor job of building out their 4g network. They were also hell bent on providing retail services to end consumers. Money was spent on providing retail services (retail employees, store front, etc) that could have been better spent on building the network.
My house doesn't get 4g, my subdivision is like an island surrounded by 4g. Just a few blocks away are a couple of apartment complexes, and there used to be a sign from Clear stating '10mb/s tested here' or something to that effect. So it almost seems like they were focused on building out a network in a way so their retail side could make more sales. The focused should have been building solid coverage. Right now 4g is too spotty and I rarely turn it on. It's only useful if you're stationary. This is in Houston, one of the first areas to get 4g.
This is all my opinion of course. I think this is why Sprint wants to build out their own lte network. Sprint wanted Clear to coordinate with Sprint on the buildout, clear wanted to do their own thing and had dreams of having a successful retail side. Now they're broke and wimax build out has slowed to a crawl.
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They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
HondaCop said:
They'll probably allow the use of WIMAX AND LTE with the Kyocera Echo at the same time. WIMAX on top screen and LTE on the bottom one.
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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Do we need to make another announcement announcing this announcement? Should we get Davd Blaine again or get the big guns? Maybe have Justin Bieber pull a rabbit out of his hair?
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That is not where he keeps the rabbits...
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good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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Interesting stuff but no links or docs. Are we just supposed to take his anonymous word for it?
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good read if you have the time to read everything there and the links shown too.
http://androidforums.com/sprint/272829-lte-vs-wimax-charges-control-data.html
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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This post is 100% B.S. Wimax and LTE are pure-IP networks and either can be controlled on a per-packet level if the operator chooses to do so.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
the third post has the doc links supporting the LTE policy's and how they will manage the traffic.
form that link.. (which i am the OP of)
you can see how the other carriers with lte are planning to make it a toll road of it... this is 100% going to happen on lte.
wimax .. is open.. full access and should not be limited... of course anything can be designed or created to limit it.
i would rather take my chances with a maybe.. than a 100% sure pocket robbery.
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Yes they "could" be controlled but the point the poster "RiverofIce" was saying is that it isn't allowed to be done with WiMax in the first place.
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What is the source for the claim that WiMax must be a neutral network? Who enforces this?
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LTE in and of itself is open as well. It's just that there are no rules governing putting in toll roads like on WiMAX. It's just like Android is in and of itself open-source, but others (HTC Sense, MIUI, etc) can and do create closed source iterations. Sprint going LTE doesn't preclude that they will put up toll roads.
hmmm net neutrality. Very controversial topic being debated on the hill with millions of dollars of lobbyist money. I'm more worried about where Justin bieber keeps his rabbit. Now thY
at would be an announcement show.
I'm no business genius but I propose a question.
What if Sprint is just letting Clear wither away for a while so it will be cheaper to buy them up and then do whatever the hell they want to with the network?
DISCLAIMER::: Do not take this as a rumor or start an argument over how I posted this without proof. This is just a thought for a discussion.
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i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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i have heard... sprint owns 51% of clear... so the already control it.
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Yeah. It's just that officially, Sprint is a MVDO (equivalent of Cricket to Sprint) to Clear. Never understood how Sprint could be 51% owner, but yet have no direct control.
I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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I think they should focus on making their 3G network a 3G network first, since right now, I'm pretty sure edge would beat what I get for 3G. :|
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+9999999999 for sure.
Just ran a speed test on 3G. 148/381. Wtf.
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I could really give a crap. I'm actually thinking about moving closer to Cincinnati so I can take advantage of the 7+mbps download speed I got while at Kings Island yesterday and cancel my home internet service.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/4g-defined-wimax-and-lte-dont-qualify-683
I wonder what they plan to do then with the 4G button on our phones? lol...
Now is the time ITU desiced to say who is 4G and whos not?? And the funny part is that the technology they call 4G is not even available...
The engineering purists have always said that Wimax and LTE are not properly called "4G." They get shouted down or ignored by the marketers who run the carriers. Much sexier to claim "4G" than to call it something more descriptive and precise.
It's all nomenclature. Too bad that words can't just mean something. What willl the marketers call the real 4G when it comes along in real-world networks?
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The engineering purists have always said that Wimax and LTE are not properly called "4G." They get shouted down or ignored by the marketers who run the carriers. Much sexier to claim "4G" than to call it something more descriptive and precise.
It's all nomenclature. Too bad that words can't just mean something. What willl the marketers call the real 4G when it comes along in real-world networks?
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I claim it be dubbed "faster than 3g but not quite yet 4g which won't come for another 4 years"..and i want that put on the back of my phone and replaced as the text of the 4g button..now!
The marketers will probably call it 5G
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Instead of confusing consumers with Clearwire/WIMAX, HSPA+, and LTE let the carriers call the tech 4G. Its better this way.
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They will call it 4.5g+ or something lol....but real 4g is available(wimax 2)...Samsung demonstrated real 4g in a convention..said it requires minor updates to current boxes, backwards compatible with wimax 1 and outputs 330mbps of delicious speeds...
so lets go over the facts:
1) its a minor upgrade that doesnt even require change to the towers only an addon to the box as long as the box is made by samsung
2) Sprint happens to use samsung for their stuff
3) It is backwards compatible and would give increased speeds even to wimax 1 devices
So if you haven't figured out why sprint isn't making it happen yet..well neither have they >.>
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They will call it 4.5g+ or something lol....but real 4g is available(wimax 2)...Samsung demonstrated real 4g in a convention..said it requires minor updates to current boxes, backwards compatible with wimax 1 and outputs 330mbps of delicious speeds...
so lets go over the facts:
1) its a minor upgrade that doesnt even require change to the towers only an addon to the box as long as the box is made by samsung
2) Sprint happens to use samsung for their stuff
3) It is backwards compatible and would give increased speeds even to wimax 1 devices
So if you haven't figured out why sprint isn't making it happen yet..well neither have they >.>
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I can easily think of two reasons:
1) If it is made by Samsung, it might not work as Samsung claims. (Sorry to sound cynical. I own an Epic.)
2) Sprint/Clearwire are already running out of capital just to complete the buildout of the Wimax "4G" network.
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I can easily think of two reasons:
1) If it is made by Samsung, it might not work as Samsung claims. (Sorry to sound cynical. I own an Epic.)
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Samsung is already powering providing the equipment and building out the network for sprint..whats an extra box gonna do >.>
2) Sprint/Clearwire are already running out of capital just to complete the buildout of the Wimax "4G" network.
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I don't know about you but at 330mbps connection id be willing to cancel my internet altogether and get the clearwire broadband...
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Samsung is already powering providing the equipment and building out the network for sprint..whats an extra box gonna do >.>
I don't know about you but at 330mbps connection id be willing to cancel my internet altogether and get the clearwire broadband...
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I'd be willing to cancel my home internet with just 5mbps. I got 7mbps on 4G yesterday while at Kings Island..and I about ..wait for it..JIZZED..IN MY PANTS! Sorry, had to.
It's always bugged me that they call it 4G (and even moreso that T-Mobile is calling HSPA+ 4G), but I also understand that the average consumer is much too stupid to understand what a megabit is, much less distinguish between three different and rather complex technologies - if you don't boil it down to a stamp that reads "IT'S FASTER" on it, they won't buy it.
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I'd be willing to cancel my home internet with just 5mbps. I got 7mbps on 4G yesterday while at Kings Island..and I about ..wait for it..JIZZED..IN MY PANTS! Sorry, had to.
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Im with you on this. I recently canceled my Fios at home since my 4G connection was faster on every speed test, both up and down, and 5 times more reliable. As long as I can tether my 4G to my computers, who needs home service!
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...rk-upgrade-is-un/&category=classic&postPage=1
Not sure what they're leapfrogging over, but sure.
Maybe the true EVO 2 will have LTE!
Also says something about the planned upgrade to the current CDMA network, and killing off iDEN.
Like Carbon Fiber? EVO.carbonfibermagic.com
They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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That's what I think, too!
If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.
If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.
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If the rest of the post is also correct, they are releasing a wimax version of the blackberry tablet later this year...which indicates they aren't phasing out wimax just yet. so, no...prolly not getting a free upgrade out of this.
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Exactly...2-3 years until they're converted to lte, so wimax as normal.
Old news that I've probably mentioned 6 times since posting in this very section. Project Leapfrog was the codename for Sprint's Network Vision. I'm just patiently waiting for Sprint/Clearwire to officially announce LTE is a go, so I could retire this topic. Sprint's ****ty 3G network will be taken care of by this same project they've mentioned since December.
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They need to fix project ****ty 3g first.
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****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news
sitlet said:
If they move to LTE, all us us evo owner's should get a free upgrade to an lte phone, as our phones will be useless for what we bought them for.
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By that point you should have a new phone.
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****ing LOL....I about damn near fell off my chair.
but on to other things...yes this is old news
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Lmfao me too
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Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.
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Isn't wimax to LTE as simple as a change in software? I could be wrong but I was under the impression that the wimax chips in our evos could in theory pick up the low frequency signal of LTE. Then again, I have no idea just reposting what I've heard said elsewhere.
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On the tower side, the hardware used in the base-stations can apparently be updated very readily -- swapping some circuit boards, and doing a software update, to make them LTE ready.
As to our phones, there is some disagreement. The LTE spec allows carriers to use frequencies in the range of those that our phones can already receive. Whether the hardware/software combination exists to let our phones receive LTE data, is up to debate. Many say no, but based on the spec, a Wimax antenna operating in the either the 800Mhz, 1.6Ghz or 2Ghz range can receive the signals (see Uplink and Downlink bands here: http://www.radio-electronics.com/in...ong-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php), but can the phone discriminate and use what it receives? Who knows...
Great move if you ask me. And I don't know about anyone else but the places I've lived and traveling the Midwest parts of the south and here in the west coast sprints 3g has been my favorite. I also have an att and T-Mobile phone for business.... now talk about ****ty coverage lol.
Well as many of you read on Engadget about Sprint switching from WiMax to LTE. Well naturally being curious, while I was stopping by my parents house on the way home I asked my dad who worked in telecom for most of my life doing contract work for Sprint. He now has since moved out telecom to some other department, but he still keeps up with his telecom friends who do contracting work for Sprint. Anyways back to the point I asked if these rumors were true. He said Yes they are switching from WiMax, but not to what and that Samsung is providing the equipment. If i find out anymore information I will let you know.
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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Everything would still work on the phone but the 4G LTE.
There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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but does this mean that they are going to stop expanding the 4g network, and focus only on getting LTE up in more places? this is kind of a kick in the balls for people who just bought 4g capable devices with sprint.
They'll probably continue to expand and run Wimax on 2.5 Ghz and run LTE in parallel on 850 Mhz.
The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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Yes, but you can't swap out the hardware in your phone from wimax to LTE.
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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By the time this is completed, the Evo will be obsolete.
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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No lol.. i am sure if you have 4g service you would still get it.
No offense but you have like 5 posts Including 2 in this thread, and you've been a member here just as long as I have pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it, and as ruge said, the evo will be the compare to as the nextel chirp phones back in the day and the razor, obsolete, trust me, no evo will have lte
the Evo 2A will have lte, I promise
Edit: I am changing this because I read this post wrong. You are right they are about to use Samsung products on the new towers but its not to change wimax, it is to make the towers more efficient and smaller. From what I was told they will use new technology which will allow them to add all services on one tower and be able to free up frequency to build out. It would not be imho to drop wimax because they will be the only ones to utilize it giving them an advantage in developing. Back on topic he is correct they are making upgrades and using new hardware within the towers but I think its imho to have voice/data simultaneous on a cdma network (a first) and they will do it with wimax 2 starting 2012...(that is just my opinion)
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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yes it will be BOTH, in years from now, which will be = 2 the razr in todays age
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This is complete bs as I know 2 top engineers working for sprint and neither have heard such news.... now I usually don't feed into this he say/she say because it won't change a thing but please don't spread speculations amongst the forum without having concrete facts. Sprint also stated recently they were keeping there 800 spectrum and making upgrades to it for business who utilize the "ptt" phones and not using it for lte. All it takes is a little reading....
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I believe I know the article you are referring to as it was in another thread on here and discussed the new PTT service they will use once IDEN is turned off and it will include more speeds and the likes for data.
The way I took the article was that the new PTT phones will take advantage of the new network upgrade they are performing i think its called Sprints Network vision. The multimode base-stations will be the key to it all.
In the end the change allows them to use all the networks more interchangably from what I understand.
I would not expect them to keep the 800MHz band for CDMA PTT. they stated that CDMA PTT phones will be out late this year and if thats the case and they were planning on having them run on the IDEN 800MHz band wouldn't IDEN need to be shut off first? I take it as the CDMA PTT phones will run on the regular network and use data form the 800MHz once they deploy LTE on that. they can't put WiMax on the 800MHz b/c WiMax isn't provisioned in that spectrum at this point.
As I stated in my edited reply it would not make sense to use technology the others are using because it would not make good marketing. Also wimax 2 will be out second quarter or half this year, can't recall, and around the exact same time frame for those new phones. Also the new hardware being supplied to sprint and their new plan is at the core of what wimax 2 is. Which is stated to give better download speed and efficiency thru multi data channels. The company supplying the hardware, Samsung, also The first company to test wimax 2 and said it got 130mbs download, but that's with no one else testing it. But you get the picture.... I hope
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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Sorry to hear that... I also don't get good signal in certain places but hey each carrier has bad spots, when I am in the studio some artist who have iPhone or att don't have any service while myself and engineer have full bars, though he has Verizon
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Still makes me wonder where this leaves WiMax. Though, Doesnt say whether or not Sprint will actually utilize LTE for its own. BUT we'll see how this all plays out. Never the less, exciting news for Sprint. Cant wait to get some of that 800mhz goodness on my next phone once Network Vision starts rolling out!!
http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=1989
I'm due for my upgrade in september, but I'm willing to keep my evo and save that upgrade for an LTE phone when its released.
Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
I wonder if the newer 4G WiMax phones will be upgradable?
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Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They already did if I remember correctly
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They have pretty much done that:
http://www.lightsquared.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/PoliticoPro.6.30.11.pdf
I think that this is potentially great news. Considering that Sprint just posted another nearly billion dollars in loss for the second quarter, they need a shot in the arm badly. Instant nation-wide LTE would be a big boost to them. If they got this along with the new iPhone, I think that they could really start making some headway against the bigger phone companies.
I hope so, at any rate. I am rooting for Sprint (no pun intended) in a big way, because if they went out of business or, worse, were bought by one of the big two, I don't know what I'd do.
a lot of money needs to be pulled somewhere to make this LTE happen. I belive LTE is why Verizon charges so much for data. I hope this don't mean the end of unlimited data in the future.
I'd prefer unlimited Wimax over $80 10gb LTE any day of the week
I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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The contact with the WiMax supplier will expire soon and no word of they will renew it
Ahh, that makes sense then. I don't use 4G much, however it is nice to have it when you need it. I live less than .1 miles from the current edge of 4G in my area.
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I wonder if they will be attempting to run Wimax and LTE, using both for some reason..
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They will until their contract expires, sprint will run the 2.5ghz wimax signal on a different freq than LTE I believe. I think thats what going on now; if i read correctly sprint is phasing out the nextel push to talk bs thats using their 800 freq and thats what wimax is going to use until they build network vison.
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doubt it as that would require swapping hardware dont know if they're going to do that for millions of phones.
exciting
if this is true this is pretty exciting
I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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I have a real hard time believing anyone at the Sprint store (save for MAYBE corporate) would know anything about new phones, much less be able to show you. In my experience, the in store people are more clueless about their own phones then their users are.
But i digress. I thought Sprint was going to use the LTE on the backend (i can't remember the term, backhaul, backbone, etc) to speed up wimax AND 3G in one fell swoop.
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They will until their contract expires, sprint will run the 2.5ghz wimax signal on a different freq than LTE I believe. I think thats what going on now; if i read correctly sprint is phasing out the nextel push to talk bs thats using their 800 freq and thats what wimax is going to use until they build network vison.
doubt it as that would require swapping hardware dont know if they're going to do that for millions of phones.
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network vision upgrades are part of phasing out nextel iden phones. they are switching all iden customers over to the new cdma ptt thing they have, and will have phones supporting it out later this year. I'm pretty sure iden is set to run till 2013 too.
wimax can't run on 800MHz less they get it provisioned with the FCC to run on that freq too b/c right now its only provisioned for the higher band ones for some reason.
theres no clue what exactly they are going to do with wimax in the far future exactly wether it be for backhaul or something else.
The lightsquared deal gets lightsquare the ability to set up their lte on sprints network and they plan to have it rolled out to first markets in 2012, and will have nationwide coverage over one year ahead of the FCC mandate which puts it around 2014
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I believe that you are correct. There was an article not long ago elaborating on Sprint's plan to move to LTE in the future due to both Clearwire's financial troubles and instability, as well as LTE's ultimate higher potential.
It stated that as the move to LTE gets closer, phones that support both will begin to be released. However, I was made to understand that LTE and WiMAX require different hardware so they would both have to be included. This would appear to indicate that a software/firmware update to an existing phone designed for WiMAX would not be a reality.
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I talked to one of the service people at sprint and he said its going to be a software upgrade for all the current wimax phones. He also gave me a sneak peek of some of their new phones coming out.
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Sorry bro who ever you talked to does'nt know what they talking about wimax and lte use defferent radios. We will need to get new phones.
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Lightsquared still has to get the interference problem with GPS sorted out.
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They have pretty much done that:
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They actually aren't even close to working that out yet. As a matter of fact, all of the major aviation related industry groups have just formed a coalition (click this link to see the coalition web page) to fight Lightsquared's proposal. The problem is, Lightsquared's so called "solution" is to require all GPS equipment manufactures to upgrade their devices to eliminate the interference that Lightsquared's system would cause. This is probably not going to happen, as it would cost thousands of dollars each to replace the GPS navigation system in every aircraft that has one, which includes the majority of aircraft currently flying in the US, including US military aircraft. Because it is a flight safety issue, and their current proposed solution would involve millions, or even billions of dollars to implement, I seriously doubt a solution that will allow Lightsquared to go forward will come very soon.
While I am by no means an expert on the technology, my understanding of the problem is that Lightsquared's high powered land based transmitters operate on a frequency band so close to the band that GPS satellite's low powered downlink signals are transmitted on, that they basically jam the signal that the GPS receivers are trying to receive. The result is that GPS receivers are effectively useless when operating anywhere near a Lightsquared transmitter. Sounds pretty hard to fix to me.
wanted to comment again on the Lightsquared LTE talk about the interference with GPS devices. The CEO was on CNBC this past week and when the question came up about the interference it was pretty simple answer and it really made it seem like the media has gotten it all backwards.
The FCC has mandated they have a buildout done by time X and granted them access to spectrum X. Well the interference with GPS devices that has come up is not b/c of Lightsquared's fault, it is b/c the GPS devices are not filtering out lightsquared's freq/spectrum even though they were given years head notice that this would be happening. So its b/c the GPS devices are coming onto Lightsquared's area and not the other way around.
the gps issue is a non issue with regards to lightsquared b/c its not their fault, its the gps manufacturers for not taking proper measures to be ready for lightsquareds rollout when they knew way in advance.
Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
engelsione said:
Sprint will reveal in October the news that they will be sharing the LTE signal and towers with Verizon. According to something I read and a employee dude in the Sprint store told me. Anyone has any info on this?
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Verizon owns their network.
They might have a deal (much like the cdma deal) where they will be able to roam across networks...but its highly unlikely that Verizon would truly "share" their network with Sprint in the way you're thinking. (As in how Clear has with wimax)
Announcement link here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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I See this happening for only one reason.
It would be way cheaper.
The companies could use a data swapping model.
The two companies would swap equal amounts of data for no charge. and charge who ever uses more.
This method would allow the companies to expand their network and advertise they have more coverage.
\It will not be free but it will need to have some sort of method for finding out who uses what data who is going to be charged. This would allow cheaper costs and to have a huge footprint rather fast. It will also give time for the companies to save $$$ and build out their networks and switch solely to their LTE towers.
Again these companies will never do this. BUT. LTE hopping while using some sort of data swapping...Ehh
May or may not happen.
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
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Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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kostov22 said:
ok...but how about all the wimax phones sprint has and none lte....
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Its already useless where I live. I'm not to worried about LTE and switching phones since as mentioned it takes a while. Still waiting to get my hands on that new Galaxy model.
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Folks, keep in mind that networks take a long time to be built.
But yes, Wimax is looking to become the next 'BetaMax'.
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Lol I remember watching our betamax when I was young.
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Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
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Betamax has better audio quality than VHS.
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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From what I understand the video quality was better too.
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Not sure what that has to do with this topic?
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Just like Wimax better then LTE but being dropped like beta is probably the reference he's makin
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I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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I was told..... radioactive waste had high nutritional value.
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Awesome
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Indirect said:
Im wondering if wimax radios will become useful for nothing.
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Evo, Evo Shift, Epic 4g, Evo 3d, Random Samsung phone, and the Epic Touch coming are all WiMax, so I doubt it'll become useless.
Its not like they're just gonna immediately shut down the Wimax network anyway.
If they do, by the time they do, no one will have a Wimax capable phone.
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
mxl180 said:
"Sprint on Thursday announced that it has inked a deal with LightSquared will see 4G LTE services built out on its massive nationwide network. LightSquared will pay Sprint $9 billion over 15 years for the right to build out its LTE network using Sprint infrastructure, and Sprint will also get a total of $4.5 billion in credits toward LTE and satellite service. Equally important to the nation’s No. 3 carrier, the deal will allow it to save about $13 billion in network build-out costs and cover 260 million Americans with its 4G LTE service by 2015."
http://www.bgr.com/2011/07/28/sprint-announces-deal-to-adopt-4g-lte/
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Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
mattykinsx said:
Yeah, that's old news.
Were talking about this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241021
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Sprint will be using LTE but named differently to not "confuse" the consumer Jan 1st 2012
I call BULLSHxT!
Wimax isn't going away... It was designed as a back haul system... Wimax can carry alot more data than LTE because of the spectrum it uses but can't penetrate building worth a crap. Wimax makes an excellent tower to tower communications system that LTE could only dream of so the goal should be use both systems for there designed purpose.
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i talked to sprint the other day and they are already doing it, however they are actually in the proccess of building there own 4g network with the lte technology to be completed by 2018.