Conclusion: There IS Accelerometer, only they call it G-Sensor, thanks for all the feedback!
Dear fellows,
I was unpleasantly surprised to find that Touch HD does NOT have an accelerometer, rather only a G-Sensor. (Some more detail: Accelerometer is supposed to sense "acceleration," typically in all three dimensions x,y and z. With software support, orientation sensing can be done as one usage. G-Sensor is an inferior sensor that only gives information about orientation, no velocity/acceleration sensing). Although it can be argued that most typical uses are covered by G-Sensor (like screen orientation), but the key word is "most" Accelerometer is definitively more useful in gaming, and potentially other applications. I searched several other threads and found many people equating G-Sensor with accelerometer. I hope this thread can add some clarification.
To me it looks like another effort by HTC to cut on a few bucks. Anyway I still consider it as a minor setback to me in my overall enthusiasm for Touh HD Just missing one good argument to an iphone user (no iphone debate wars intended here )
Best regards.
waqarz said:
Dear fellows,
I was unpleasantly surprised to find that Touch HD does NOT have an accelerometer, rather only a G-Sensor. (Some more detail: Accelerometer is supposed to sense "acceleration," typically in all three dimensions x,y and z. With software support, orientation sensing can be done as one usage. G-Sensor is an inferior sensor that only gives information about orientation, no velocity/acceleration sensing). Although it can be argued that most typical uses are covered by G-Sensor (like screen orientation), but the key word is "most" Accelerometer is definitively more useful in gaming, and potentially other applications. I searched several other threads and found many people equating G-Sensor with accelerometer. I hope this thread can add some clarification.
To me it looks like another effort by HTC to cut on a few bucks. Anyway I still consider it as a minor setback to me in my overall enthusiasm for Touh HD Just missing one good argument to an iphone user (no iphone debate wars intended here )
Best regards.
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another victim fallen to the marketing gimmick of a "buzz word", accelerometer, despite its name doesn't necessary mean it must detect acceleration, iphone's accelerometer doesn't do that. none on the market do that. if in the future there's a similar device that can detect acceleration, then it may fall into the "accelerometer" category, or market people will create a new buzz word to highlight its features.
but g senor, motion sensor and accelerometer are the same thing as the market/technology stands now. i made the same mistake and was corrected as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436592#7
buggybug0 said:
another victim fallen to the marketing gimmick of a "buzz word", accelerometer, despite its name doesn't necessary mean it must detect acceleration, iphone's accelerometer doesn't do that. none on the market do that. if in the future there's a similar device that can detect acceleration, then it may fall into the "accelerometer" category, or market people will create a new buzz word to highlight its features.
but g senor, motion sensor and accelerometer are the same thing as the market/technology stands now. i made the same mistake and was corrected as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436592#7
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Thanks. Well if this is indeed true (that iphone and others also only have a G-Sensor) I dont think I can call it marketing gimik. It is plain dishonesty. An accelerometer is a well understood term, misusing it is... well!
But have you checked that for iphone. I will check that tomorrow with one colleague who has one. Wikipedia gives different info here, I quote:
"For example, Apple uses an LIS302DL accelerometer in the iPhone, iPod Touch and the 4th generation iPod Nano allowing the device to know when it is tilted on its side."
LIS302DL is indeed a full blown accelerometer, not just g-sensor! So lets recheck and compare our notes. Thanks for the feedback!
I think the proof is in the fact that you cant do anything with the Iphone's "accelerometer" that you cant also do with the HTC "g-sensor" If there was a fundamental difference in their capability it would have been exploited by now.
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If there was a fundamental difference in their capability it would have been exploited by now.
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http://www.CarTrackApp.com/
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http://www.CarTrackApp.com/
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And in response... [APP] gMeter for HTC Touch Diamond/Pro [Second release]
edit: damn beaten to it!
waqarz said:
Thanks. Well if this is indeed true (that iphone and others also only have a G-Sensor) I dont think I can call it marketing gimik. It is plain dishonesty. An accelerometer is a well understood term, misusing it is... well!
But have you checked that for iphone. I will check that tomorrow with one colleague who has one. Wikipedia gives different info here, I quote:
"For example, Apple uses an LIS302DL accelerometer in the iPhone, iPod Touch and the 4th generation iPod Nano allowing the device to know when it is tilted on its side."
LIS302DL is indeed a full blown accelerometer, not just g-sensor! So lets recheck and compare our notes. Thanks for the feedback!
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These two apps prove you wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431965
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422662
Surur
surur said:
These two apps prove you wrong.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431965
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422662
Surur
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Wake up ppl, all these applications discussed above are using GPS signal in conjunction with G-sensing. So this discussion is not relevant to this topic!!
Doing some more digging here and the source code shows my first post is accurate. There IS a FULL LIS302DL accelerometer in iphone, and we are stuck with G-Sensor of HD.... means we cant "shake things around" literally.
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Wake up ppl, all these applications discussed above are using GPS signal in conjunction with G-sensing. So this discussion is not relevant to this topic!!
Doing some more digging here and the source code shows my first post is accurate. There IS a FULL LIS302DL accelerometer in iphone, and we are stuck with G-Sensor of HD.... means we cant "shake things around" literally.
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No they don't use GPS for Accel, it is impossible to measure short time Accell with GPS accuracy.
G-Sensor is just another Name for Accelerometer. Both Sensors (IPhone and HD) have nearly the same accuracy in there API, so if you look to the source of the IPhone you should also look at the Sensor-API of the HTC's ;_)).
So HD/Diamond/Raphael has not only a "Tilt-On/Off"-Sensor as you try to explain, it is indeed a "full"-Accelerometer. You could just install one of the mentioned Programs to prove that the indeed are measuring acceleration .
And if you are really interested you should look at: http://www.koushikdutta.com/2008/07/using-htc-touch-diamond-sensor-sdk-from.html
to learn how to program the Accelerometer.
BTW Gyroscope-Sensors are brand new, and no phone to date has one , the should be cheaper and more accurate as the today build in Sensors.
Rivendel is absolutely right. The applications wouldn't work without a proper accelerometer.
Originally, micromachined accelerometers would have been very expensive, but now there is so much demand for them that they can be bought for about a dollar in large quantity.
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No they don't use GPS for Accel, it is impossible to measure short time Accell with GPS accuracy.
G-Sensor is just another Name for Accelerometer. Both Sensors (IPhone and HD) have nearly the same accuracy in there API, so if you look to the source of the IPhone you should also look at the Sensor-API of the HTC's ;_)).
So HD/Diamond/Raphael has not only a "Tilt-On/Off"-Sensor as you try to explain, it is indeed a "full"-Accelerometer. You could just install one of the mentioned Programs to prove that the indeed are measuring acceleration .
And if you are really interested you should look at: http://www.koushikdutta.com/2008/07/using-htc-touch-diamond-sensor-sdk-from.html
to learn how to program the Accelerometer.
BTW Gyroscope-Sensors are brand new, and no phone to date has one , the should be cheaper and more accurate as the today build in Sensors.
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OK, yes I guess you are right too; Pocket GForce register lots of Gs just moving the device sideways without tilting it much, so some measurement of acceleration is there. Then may be, HTC ppl should upgrade and call it accelerometer!
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OK, yes I guess you are right too; Pocket GForce register lots of Gs just moving the device sideways without tilting it much, so some measurement of acceleration is there. Then may be, HTC ppl should upgrade and call it accelerometer!
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Well G-Sensor does allude to acceleration if you take name to mean a sensor which measures G-Force....
G sensors and accelerometers are exactly the same thing.the former is more of layman and commercial term while the later is the more appropriate technical term.what it does is measure acceleration as its name suggest.this device can be position in any axis(x,y,z).a complete system should consist of 3 accelerometers in exact tangent to each other in those 3 axis so that it can sense vertical,horizontal and lateral accelerations.since acceleration is measured in "meters/seconds squared"the value of acceleration when integrated once will give u distance and when integrated twice will give u time.this is the basis of any stand alone navigation or guidance systems but it must be coupled with a 3 axis gyroscopic system to give attitude information.in the phone,the accelerometers measure the gravity force which has an acceleration of approx 10 m/s squared.the resultant output will determine the phone's orientation
it has an acceltomater, with diamonds vr hologram, if you lay it on a flat surface, and push it artound, it wil stil move
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BTW Gyroscope-Sensors are brand new, and no phone to date has one , the should be cheaper and more accurate as the today build in Sensors.
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Some Nokia phones have had Gyroscope-Sensor for over year by now, it rotates the map in the navigating software real time when u spin around, its very handy when navigating by walking.
I think that's a digital compass in the Nokia phones. A lot of the recent ones don't have the compass though (N95, etc.)
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Heya all,
I have been looking at the iHologram app and it would be awesome to have one for the HTC...
http://adameatstilk.blogspot.com/2008/08/hologram-cat-on-iphone.html
Any Ideas?
hm...looks very nice and smooth, maybe just another fullscreen vid?
It is a fake - the designer only wanted to show a concept.
Heh, the designer did prove the idea that people think of Apple's devices as being allmighty and all powerful. Anyone wonder how the iPhone knows to whose direction this 'anamorphic perspective rendering' should be rendered? Or how it knows to render towards the videocamera instead of the cameramans eyes? How to do this with multiple people?
Somebody actually did this with the Wii, as you can use the remote control to 'localize' yourself.
It is not real!!! It is just an idea....
http://gizmodo.com/5041304/ihologram-3d-iphone-app-was-just-for-show-not-peek-into-alternate-world
to make this happen
you have to locate the sight of the user and only one user can experience the 3D effect. impossible to make it work on iphone or any ppc now (hardware limitation)
its funny but do not have that great value on the market
of course it´s a fake. how could the iphone detect moving itself around it´s own axis laying flat on the table? magical rotation sensor?
So I guess there could be a couple of problems:
- How do you tell the observer's perspective?
- Can the Diamond's g sensor tell when its rotated on a flat surface? (The lightsaber app doesn't seem to register much - but I will admit thats far from empirical testing )
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So I guess there could be a couple of problems:
- How do you tell the observer's perspective?
- Can the Diamond's g sensor tell when its rotated on a flat surface? (The lightsaber app doesn't seem to register much - but I will admit thats far from empirical testing )
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Maybe eye tracking using front camera?
using the wii VR demo, I experienced that the effect is reached best when the screen follows the head/eye movement instead of the other way around.
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- Can the Diamond's g sensor tell when its rotated on a flat surface? (The lightsaber app doesn't seem to register much - but I will admit thats far from empirical testing )
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It would need a gyroscope. But i never imagine a cellphone whit a 3axis acc so just wait six months or so
soundonly said:
to make this happen
you have to locate the sight of the user and only one user can experience the 3D effect. impossible to make it work on iphone or any ppc now (hardware limitation)
its funny but do not have that great value on the market
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It is not a fake. It is not magic. And no you don't need superduper hardware. It is actually working on iPhone, it assumes a fixed position of the viewer, that's why it works only for one viewer (at the correct angle). Read here about it: http://www.davidoreilly.com/blog/2008/08/ihologram-update/
Holographic effect
You can have a nice holographic effect without a gyroscope...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoq8M2XxVE
faethon said:
It is not a fake. It is not magic. And no you don't need superduper hardware. It is actually working on iPhone, it assumes a fixed position of the viewer, that's why it works only for one viewer (at the correct angle). Read here about it: http://www.davidoreilly.com/blog/2008/08/ihologram-update/
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LOL - that link says this....
The iHologram app was not real. It was an illustration of an idea I had which I believe could work with the technology (combining anamorphosis and motion sensing). Unfortunately I’m just an ideas person, and I can show how things should look, but I’m no hardcore programmer.
I’d be happy to collaborate with a developer or studio who want’s to make it happen, I’m bursting with ideas for the interactive world, but right now all my attention is on filmmaking.
My aim with this was to tackle the problem of 3d viewing in an original way using current technology, not fool anyone… so for those who doubted but still supported it, respect. I hope it inspires some talented programmers out there.
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You can have a nice holographic effect without a gyroscope...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoq8M2XxVE
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Thanks for the post, this is the way i assumed something like this could work.
In the 3d world, besides being on an axis, there are virtually unlimited points to perceive an object. This guys application simply assumes the user is watching from an axis perpendicular to the screen, which is how we as people usually look at any display.
This way, no matter how you tilt the phone, it can react accordingly to you looking down on it, with gravity below it.
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You can have a nice holographic effect without a gyroscope...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugoq8M2XxVE
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This is a nice ap!!!!
yeh that dice app looks nice
In the dice experiment, he shakes the phone, it isn't rotation. (I only say that for people who can think strange things xD)
I have seen the dice app on the iphone. It does look very very nice. I cant code but surely the Diamond can compete on ths level. ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=421806
Sorry but thats not even in the same league..
hello, i am interested to find out if there is a software out there thats lets the x1 have a accelerometer like the htc, i feel that the only disadvantage the x1 has.
An accelerometer is a piece of hardware that is missing in the X1. There is no way that a software can emulate an accelerometer.
mabye by using camera to see movements and use it like an accel-meter
Yes, the Xperia lacks the accelerometer function and I miss it because I had a Diamond before
Future devices will feature micro-gyroscopes instead of accelerometers: they are more precise and accurate and have faster response times
using the cam to emulate would cost alot of batt and not work in dim light places
is there a way someone can unlock it or is it 100% sure that the accelerometer isn't inside?
I remember reading stuff about other htc handset where people unlocked hidden features such as gps... couldnt that also be with x1?
This has been covered by threads in the forum a while ago...
As far as we can tell, there is NO accelerometer hardware present in the phone. I don't think it's part of the chipset that could be enabled (like maybe the TV out function).
the features people have been able to unlock were features included inside the qualcomm cpu
which have gps/wifi/3g and the likes support
but accelerometer is not in the qualcomm cpu it's another component inside the phone
and in the case of the x1 not inside the phone
The X1 is sold as having an accelerometer
If you look at websites that sell the X1, like Dialaphone, they claim the X1 has an accelerometer for rotating the screen, it is advertised as having one, check it out.
http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/googledap/phone/Sony_Ericsson_X1_Xperia/
Click the features tab, and there it is
However I have not seen anyone mange to make it work like the accelerometer on the Touch Diamond.
"If you look at websites that sell the X1, like Dialaphone, they claim the X1 has an accelerometer for rotating the screen, it is advertised as having one, check it out."
yeah goes to show once again that most sales people don't know their butt from their elbow
it says it has an accelerometer sensor, maybe it starts up goes "yep no accelerometer here", then goes back to sleep?
Maybe some one should get dialaphone to demonstrate the accelerometer??
Rudegar - Touchet !
um, who knows... did anyone actually take a look at xperia mobo to se if it's there?
haven't found any hires photo of that...
that could be in there just waiting for a firmware upgrade (hope is the last thing to loose)
Tears of the Engineers
From a sales and marketing perspective I can understand why Sony deliberaetly did not want an accelerometer on the X1.
It can be viewed by some as a kiddy, gimicky, playstationy type thing. Whereas if you look at the official promo for the X1, Who is Johnny X, the X1 is clearly not aimed at kids, it is marketed as a serious multimedia business tool.
The X1 is Sony Erricsons flagship, in there armada, they didnt want it to be a Jet Ski, all froth and fun.
You can see who has the upper hand in the board room, it aint the engineers.
That said once released and let loose, I say the X1 is what we make of it
if they made a perfect phone once, no one would buy their next product.
believe me, HTC has the ability to do that, but they didn't and never will.
Hi , i am a new one here but i wish to help. I think that there is two solution. First is that Sonyericsson did make accelerometer in x1 but only in a prototype model.Maybe they have a bad result and then decide to put it away. Or maybe (like in nokia N95 first releases , they have built in accelerometer but not enabled. They did enable it in the last firmware v.30.15) they will enable in the next firmware update , if it ever comes. I hope it will. One more thing,maybe it is interesting. As X1 have very bad sound on a speakerfone i was searching the entire net and i found something very interesting to me. As i watch on Youtube every posible video of Xperia i have noticed that the prototype of Xperia has two very imortant diferencies. First , they have two speakers on each side( one is below the camera button and second on a other side right below the screen orientation button???) And second thing is that prototype has a double less memory than we do have now...Here is one of the links http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjmO4TL5NAY&feature=related .... And people , sorry for my bad English....
The only way to get accelerometer functionality is to buy a MicroSDIO Accelerometer card. Unfortunately, no-one makes one as there's no market for it .
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The X1 is Sony Erricsons flagship, in there armada, they didnt want it to be a Jet Ski, all froth and fun.
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the X1 is NOT the flagship. the C series is and probably will allways be.
its the Flagship of their mobile office department but thats not to hard sicne its their only "new" cellphone
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the X1 is NOT the flagship. the C series is and probably will allways be.
its the Flagship of their mobile office department but thats not to hard sicne its their only "new" cellphone
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i ve read there Marketing Manager's interview in a mobile magazine and he said its their premium phone aimed at a niche market.
they are not focussed on selling like iphone but have a distinct product placement in the market.
achmed20 said:
the X1 is NOT the flagship. the C series is and probably will allways be.
its the Flagship of their mobile office department but thats not to hard sicne its their only "new" cellphone
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The c-series are very good cybershot-phones, but the flagship has always been the P-series and now it's the X-series. It's promoted like this here in Austria after all.
can anyone make such app - or - anyone any clue were to get a compass for our win mobiles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlKvW89Q7Z8
As a wm power user, you should know that a compass is hardware, not software
Fitz said:
As a wm power user, you should know that a compass is hardware, not software
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yea i thought about the gsensor aint that enough for te hardware part
Gsensors don't always point north...
well if u no of any compass's i can try via gps send me the site but would be beter if we got one like the assphone
Most higher end GPS units have "electronic" compasses. It is not just something that can be enabled through software, there needs to be a hardware component as well.
As a side note, my garmin vista Hcx has an electronic compass and it makes geocaching so nice
Like this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524294
Go to the link in the first post.
you may like this
http://htcdriver.com/index.php?page=richesse-GPS
and i also have such feature on my mapking GPS app
Any GPS app for windows mobile has a "Compass" by seeing which way you are moving and comparing that to north. A real compass can be stationary and point north more accurately. This is a hardware feature that no WM phones have. Maybe the Touch Pro 3 will have it.
Yeah, buy a real compass buddy. Its more accurately and never run out of battery and you never fear of losing GPS signal.
Oh, btw, I do have a real compass. and never use it.
Tomtom, GPS cycle, any navigation software would have a compass.
If that doesn't satisfy can always use the good old, sun rises in the east and sets in the west strategy. or go watch a few eps of Man vs Wild or survivor man and they'll show you how to find the direction.
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Oh, btw, I do have a real compass. and never use it.
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Exactly my thoughts. Who needs yet ANOTHER gimmicky app that has no real purpose? In my time on this Earth I have never needed a compass or ever even thought '**** I wish I had a compass for X task'. So why would we need a digital one in our pockets ?
The sun sets in the west and rises in the east. There's your compass.
Don't you guys sleep facing the north? After the sun has set, how do you align your salt and pepper accurately? The hardware component is a magnetometer, pigeons have them, get a pigeon!
No sorry guys, a compass can be usefuill for a lot of Apps like navigation or Games, and the IPhone ist the most powerfull mobile divice ever build compared with a stabil and smooth operating system and a gigantic and cheap Appstore with 50.000 Apps.
And half of the Apps here are just wannabe iphone-Apps.
Thats fact, and sorry that i must tell you the truth : Windows Mobile is ulgy, slow and not state of the Art.
this is a littel preview to demonstrate you the Power of the "old" iPhone 3G (the brandnew 3Gs is getting much bette/faster and has a graphics chipset similar to xBox)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDDPAmZd5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3TeX4OCfLc
dickenz said:
Exactly my thoughts. Who needs yet ANOTHER gimmicky app that has no real purpose? In my time on this Earth I have never needed a compass or ever even thought '**** I wish I had a compass for X task'. So why would we need a digital one in our pockets ?
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I think lot's of people, of which you are probably one of them, don't have a clue to the purpose of the compass feature several new phones have. Apple clearly wouldn't emphasize on this feature if it were only useful to tell you where north and south are relatively to your location.
More and more apps are becoming available, which give you a view through the camera of your device, overlaying certain information, such as where the nearest ATM is, where you can find a particular shop, etc. (this technique is called Augmented Reality and it really doesn't work as good without a compass, as with a compass). There are a dozen apps available for Android at the moment using the build-in compass. That's where you need such a piece of hardware for.
Yes,
While going hunting I always take my compass, cell phone, gps, SUV, remington gun and a small atomic device...
You only need a compass if you are in the army. For night time LEARN the sky and if you get lost in the woods???during the day and need to go north??? for some reason than an application on a cellphone is the least of your problems
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Exactly my thoughts. Who needs yet ANOTHER gimmicky app that has no real purpose? In my time on this Earth I have never needed a compass or ever even thought '**** I wish I had a compass for X task'. So why would we need a digital one in our pockets ?
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Obviously you weren't geocaching yet . In the forest it can be quite difficult to say where the sun is (especially if the weather isn't that good), so a "real" compass could be really helpful. There are also a lot of other things a "real" compass is good for.
As far as I know the HTC Magic (running Android) has got one, hasn't it?
And please stop this "Iphone vs. WM" talk, I think it was covered so many times in so many threads already ...
I don't understand these people claiming that their Iphone is so much better, but actually they are using a WM device and using forums for WM devices. That's quite strange, isn't it?. My suggestion: Get an Iphone and let us enjoy our WM devices please!
I've just been reading the press release for the Samsun Vibrant, and T-Mobile says that the Vibrant has a six-axis sensor, which leads me to question, does this thing actually have a gyroscope? I've never heard anyone refer to a normal accelerometer as "six axis".
I believe that the six axis sensor is a gyroscope from a similar article that was posted for the VERIZON variant on phandroid tonight. Heres the link and if you read thru the article you will see where they kinda "confirm" that it is indeed a gyroscope.
phandroid.com/2010/06/27/verizon-wireless-announces-the-samsung-fascinate-another-galaxy-s-smartphone/
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Upon re-reading the article, IMO, its a toss up for me at the moment as to whether this is a true gyroscope, but im hopeful.
It does have a gyroscope.
The main difference between a gyro and an accelerometer is that a gyro can tell the difference between acceleration due to gravity and acceleration due to actual movement. It's a difference that sounds subtle until you try to implement something like an inverted pendulum (think: Segway or 2-wheeled balancing robot).
You can TRY to compensate by making use of background knowledge you have about the way the universe works (acceleration due to gravity is absolutely constant when the object is otherwise "motionless", whereas human-induced motion is never, ever going to be smooth or constant), but you're going to have zones of confusion where the algorithm just can't tell the difference between two different gestures.
A good analogy is the way multitouch works on the Nexus One and most other Android phones. By paying attention to the order in which the row-column virtual switches "close" and the way they change relative to each other, you can easily implement useful pinch-zoom. But try to implement virtual shiftkeys on a virtual keyboard with the keys rendered in their traditional positions, and your multitouch attempt will fail spectacularly when it can't reliably tell the difference between ctrl-w, ctrl-tab, alt-w, and alt-tab. Likewise, you can implement rough game control with accelerometers alone, but they'll work best in virtual tennis rackets, golf clubs, and bowling balls, where you have a hard swinging gesture through an arc followed by a sudden deceleration at the end that's easy to detect. Nintendo's choice of games for Wii Sports wasn't due to market research or coincidence... they picked the best use cases for using accelerometers alone as game controls.
I'm searching a developer who can build an app to read the sensor data oit of the galaxy tab. Cause I wanne know of there is an gyroscope sensor on bord or not, samsung site is a joke with its tec specs. In my mind btw its even not clear what kind of display is build in, s-lcd or more likely a ips, but what kind of ips?
May someone can help me out.
ps:are there any games or apps actually using a gyrocope sensor in android?
Thanks
The display is a first gen ips, aka super tft.
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The display is a first gen ips, aka super tft.
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yeah like I thought, because of the battery lifetime
you can find detailed specs here: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_p1000_galaxy_tab-3370.php
also, the tab has a three-axis gyro sensor
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you can find detailed specs here: http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_p1000_galaxy_tab-3370.php
also, the tab has a three-axis gyro sensor
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I know that there are some spec out, first it said there would be a AMOLED but now its an ips, so I dont trust extern spec cheets, I wanne se it work!
i am holding it right now and its ips... there are lots of very detailed spec sheets out already - google is your friend!
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i am holding it right now and its ips... there are lots of very detailed spec sheets out already - google is your friend!
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Im holding it too right now, its not about the display I know that this is an IPS but befor I have not seen the gyro in action I wont trust those specs, whats is their source? Just want to confirm it
Ive used gsmarena for years. They are always correct. Also backed by Sotovik, a analytics company in Russia that belongs to a electronics retail group. They are trusted resources.
Also, online flash games at m.kongregate.com require a hardware sensor to function, you can test it yourself if already own the tab!
ftgg99 said:
Ive used gsmarena for years. They are always correct. Also backed by Sotovik, a analytics company in Russia that belongs to a electronics retail group. They are trusted resources.
Also, online flash games at m.kongregate.com require a hardware sensor to function, you can test it yourself if already own the tab!
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I dont think you actually know the difference between accelerometer and gyroscope, like mentioned before: use google!
And pls back to topic, anyone out there who can read the gyroscope data out?
NightFire123 said:
I dont think you actually know the difference between accelerometer and gyroscope, like mentioned before: use google!
And pls back to topic, anyone out there who can read the gyroscope data out?
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indeed youre right i did not... no need to be snippy however
Sorry if it reached you so, but when someone want to correct me and dont know about what I mean I could became somekind "snippy".
To tell u what a gyro does: it recognises the turning of the phone like when u look around in a n egoshooter with your mouse. The accelerometer can only recognise the g-force of the earth so as you know you have to turn your tab in so position that apps reg. the movement at all. So the compass is what you think of it. You can imagine that the gyro is a kombined compass and a accelerometer, buts its another thing, with all the things compass acc and gyro kombinated you cann do everything like in a pc ego
best to see this iphone video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=GkO_pGSNH-E
According to http://www.isuppli.com the galaxy tab uses the STMicroelectronics L3G4200D, essentially the same chip as in the iphone 4.
The difference between accelerometer and gyroscope is that the former detects translation and the latter rotations. Both are implemented by MEMS integrated circuits.
You can also get information about rotations from the digital compass...
Volker1 said:
According to http://www.isuppli.com the galaxy tab uses the STMicroelectronics L3G4200D, essentially the same chip as in the iphone 4.
The difference between accelerometer and gyroscope is that the former detects translation and the latter rotations. Both are implemented by MEMS integrated circuits.
You can also get information about rotations from the digital compass...
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Thanks for that, this was the info I want to hear! Many thanks
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I'm searching a developer who can build an app to read the sensor data oit of the galaxy tab.
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There are several apps in the Android Market for this: Sensor Test (ctsr.android.SensorTest) works fine and shows gyro, too.
I'm more wondering, where the proximity sensor is - on my tab, it never changes value...
XNeo2001 said:
There are several apps in the Android Market for this: Sensor Test (ctsr.android.SensorTest) works fine and shows gyro, too.
I'm more wondering, where the proximity sensor is - on my tab, it never changes value...
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all I know taht there is no need of a proximity sensor, or do you want so hold it like a telephone to your ear that the screen has to hybernate? Dont think so ;-)
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I'm searching a developer who can build an app to read the sensor data oit of the galaxy tab. Cause I wanne know of there is an gyroscope sensor on bord or not, samsung site is a joke with its tec specs.
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I am the developer of "phone tester". This app allows you to test sensors, wifi, gps, battery, the multitouch screen and gives you information about the system. Currently doesn't support giroscope sensor, but yes in next update, probably in this weekend.
it has a gyro. I installed NOVA today, which recognized this ability and asked if I want to use it. I can confirm that I was able to operate the game on the horizontal axis.
Khisha said:
it has a gyro. I installed NOVA today, which recognized this ability and asked if I want to use it. I can confirm that I was able to operate the game on the horizontal axis.
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sorry for not posting it here, but already knowing that it got one :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820006
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9210740&postcount=1