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The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile. That alone should determine your choice... but considering you want to go into depth:
1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
2. When it comes to Screen, though both have the same resolution, Touch HD gives you a bigger display with its 3.8 inch screen over the 3 inch Xperia screen.
3. In regard to camera, the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia. However, if one thing Sony Ericsson knows best, it is its Camera... so i can pretty much say that Xperia's 3.2 MP camera would be enough to take on the Touch HD 5 MP camera. Video recording is in both, and most likely Touch HD will match the recording capabilties in terms of resolution with Xperia - but again Camera quality of Sony is expected to be better. Both devices have Touch Focus as well... but one other thing to note is that Touch HD has no camera flash!
4. Main interface - Touch Flo 3d is superb looking. But Xperia Panels are not behind. Though Touch Flo 3D is shiny and extremely attractive, it lacks big time in customization. With Panels, customization is the key... and with time as developers start releasing new panels, we will probably see some really awesome stuff in terms of functionaity as well looks. Not to mention, the way you switch panel mode (fan, side-by-side, etc.) is nothing short. So if you are one who loves to have the possibility of as much customization as possible, like me, then Xperia wins here. And in my opinion, in terms of functionality and extendibility Xperia again wins here.
5. Battery - Xperia carries a bigger battery than Touch HD. Though how much time each will provide, we can't say for sure at this point...
6. Manufacturer - HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device.
7. 3G Reception - Foo, a senior member here at XDA Developers has brought to my attention that Touch Pro suffers from poor 3G reception but another member says that this is not the case and that he doesn't face any such problems on his Pro. Considering that HTC has improved Touch HD in various aspects over the pro - bigger screen, higher resolution, better sensitivity to the touch screen, more powerful camera and so on - we will just have to wait and see if the 3G reception in Touch HD is better than Pro or not. As for Xperia, we'll have to wait and confirm for that when it releases.
8. Accelerometer - The major feature missing from Xperia is the Accelerometer. But other than putting a lid on some possibly cool games, i don't have much concern over this. But of course, here the Xperia is beaten by the Touch HD!
Other than that, basic differences are there... LED indicators on the Xperia, and In Call Recording in Touch HD, but none too major to consider here. (i leaved keyboard out of this as i already put that forward in the first question i asked at the start of this post).
Conclusion: From where I sit, Xperia is a winner with its sexy look (c'mon. it. is. steel!), fully customizable interface (panels), more RAM, Flash on the camera, full stylish qwerty keyboard, and more.
Hope this helps...
And if anyone feels like it, then add to the list anything you want.
Best Regards.
Salman Khalid.
You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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You must have heard htc is the odm behind x1. From the reviews camera seems close to diamond and pro but with touch focus.
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Yes, i did point that tout in the post above... but HTC had more to do with the hardware from a Win Mo point of view... the Camera is something that SE obviously didn't need help from HTC on.
As for actual comparison of picture quality... we'll know for sure in a few days as to how good Xperia's camera actually is. (one picture over at the Xperiancers blog shows it to be really good)!
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1. Xperia has more RAM. Infact almost 100 MB more. Which is simply awesome, especially if you are looking to port heavy games onto the mobile or run tons of software. How much RAM will panels take up is a big question, but keep in mind that if needed you could release the RAM taken up by Panels by disabling them or setting them however you want. (Loading 9 heavy panels will probably take more RAM than keeping 9 basic or default panels)
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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This information is outdated. SE increased the RAM in the meanwhile (most likely due to performance issues) up to 384 MByte RAM which is about 100 MByte more then Touch HD has.
But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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But I don't really see both devices in line for comparison, because one has a slide out keyboard and the other one not. This makes a huge difference in usability when it comes to writing and people who are looking for a device with external keyboard really want and need it.
So for most buyers of the Xperia X1 this normally is not only a gimmick like some nice LEDs or better camera, etc - this is really a buy or no-buy decision.
So for me both devices are not comparable, though I voted for the Xperia as it is better concerning my individual requirements.
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The reason i did the comparison was because both devices have been compared/questioned side-by-side on various forums now. And i did mention, before making a comparison, that: "The way i see it... it totally depends on what attracts you more - a no-keyboard slim black iPhone like mobile or a professional looking and metallic keyboard bearing mobile."
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Why you said that Xperia have more RAM ? Look this http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=2525&idPhone1=2246
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As Foo already pointed out, that page is out-dated. You can do a search in Google on Xperia and 384 MB RAM and you will get tons of news items and blog posts announcing that change in the hardware from a couple of weeks back.
holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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holy ****, I thought this was a double thread!
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One is comparing Touch HD and the other Touch Pro against Xperia...
Here's another compare http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1469&id2=1117. Still HD is my favourite
As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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As I posted in your other thread, a lot of this information is just wrong. Where did you ever hear the Xperia had almost 400MB of RAM? Every spec I've ever seen shows 256, the Touch Pro has 288, don't use it in your argument until it's proven... Even SonyEricsson.com doesn't have a RAM spec.
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I'm afraid you should first confirm things yourself. Xperiancers is a blog by SE and here is a quote from their latest blog entry: "The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram"
(if you'd like to see: http://xperiancers.com/ - Name of post is 'Your Xperia Questions Answered')
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Haha I love how you're sooo biased you can't even say a 5MP camera is better than 3.2, "if there's anything SE knows it's cameras"... Yes, I know that their camera is not up to par with one that has 1.8MP more of resolution.
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Dude... it's my opinion, if you don't agree then don't, but call me biased at my own expense. I clearly stated that 'the Touch HD is again ahead of Xperia with a 5 MP camera over the 3.2 MP camera in Xperia', and i am sure many will agree that SE's cameras are one of the best in mobile devices... but i did not declare Xperia a winner over Touch HD but only implied that in my opinion Xperia'll be better. Furthermore - take into account that Touch HD lacks a flash for the camera, it will not perform up to par in certain conditions.
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Once again, the Touch Pro has no issue with 3G reception, far better than other 3G phones I've used...
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Again... user based experience. Another member here mentioned that he faced 3G reception problems, and i put that in. You say it doesn't, i'll put that in as well.
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The manufacturer argument, why don't you make that argument between the HD and Touch Pro? It'd make just as much sense, all of the phones are manufactured by HTC.
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Dude! did you even read what i wrote? I wrote it clear: "HTC vs. SE. This is SE's first WinMo device, so concerns arise... but given the fact that HTC was behind in this device's manufacturing as well, i say that we can rely on the device."
HTC manufactured Xperia, but it is a SE device and they are the ones who are bringing it out.
i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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i love the HTC touch HD, but with no usa 3g, it turns me off!
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I'm afraid to add this to the comparison... someone might say something...
I was not aware of this... Maybe they'll add it in the end? or is it confirmed?
I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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I really dont know which one i will choose, i have really bad experiences of SE, it´s quality, but since HTC manufactured Xperia, maybe it´s better.
But i don´t know if it´s worth the wait for the Touch HD either, since it is going to be released later than the Xperia..
I have surfed the web all day long for about 2 days now and really dont know which device to choose.
Really hard!
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TOUCH HD
The comment about the camera is correct. For printing up to A4, anything over 3mp is usually massively outweighed by the lens opening and quality. Small opening ... small amounts of light - causes issues regardless of the CCD or CMOS. It is also correct to suggest that the SE devices have a history of being closer to compact cameras in quality than the toy town stuff you usually get from HTC (I've had loads of HTC devices and love them but the cameras are of little practical use). The other thing worth saying that the X1 will shoot 640x480 video and 30fps like the Nokia E90 and N95. The quality of video of the latter two is almost up to the Hi-8 camcorders (if in good light) which makes them a genuinely useful camcorder alternative. The HD (and all native HTC devices) are still QVGA and the video looks rubbish even on a 2" window on a PC. This should be a huge plus for the X1.
My concerns about the X1 relate to the likely hood that SE won't support and develop the platform. There are many rumours about the Sony and Ericcson relationship as well as the SE / HTC one. Also, Sony will not commit to any future WM devices - infact, it seems they are completely non committal about future OS - UIQ, Android, WM etc. When you look at the P1 issues ... never resolved even after a huge backlash by customers ... it's not promising.
The X1 performance / tuning also worries me. It was announced that there were gfx / video perf issues with 30fps playback very shortly before the release date. They didn't answer any real questions in their pathetic webcast either ... I think there will be fairly horrible issues initially and worry they won't fix them. The added RAM so late in the day may sound positive ... but it shows they don't really know what they are doing. They will have added it because performance was too slow. Do remember that that amount of RAM with WVGA will really cane the battery - a negative which people aren't really considering.
I worry also about the keyboard ... I guess we will have to wait for the first purchasers to confirm either way. These things are enough to stop me pre-ordering when 3 months ago it was a definite purchase for me.
The HD has no keyboard ... I might be able to live without. The problem is more with the lack of button controls. Again, we know very little about it. I would hope HTC would include some kind of soft dpad with dynamic scaling which would allow apps to run VGA on top of the extra screen estate which would have the soft buttons / dpad. If they don't do this, I am very concerned about real day to day use. If they do deliver such a soft key set, then I think it would be almost perfect as long as something else is not missing - like TV-Out ... strangely not detailed ... even though some sites suggest in the spec it is there. The only massive irritation for me is the camera - no flash and no VGA 30fps capture on something this expensive. I was hoping to replace my TyTNII and N95 8GB with a single device .... and it looks like I will still need two - seems like a stupid oversight for such an expensive device. The 3.8" screen may still sway me though. I don't need tiny like lots of people ... as long as I have a decent belt case.
Paul.
two very different devices targeted at different markets, daft trying do a compare on them as one is more of high usage business device the other a low usage media device.
Business or personal
So out of these two, if i wanted a phone to do work on with occasional media usage, id go for the X1, if i wanted something that looked swanky and was a good phone but ultimately a low work usage device then the HD would be it, course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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course using that same logic id actualy not go with either of them as the TP is even more buiness orientated
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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huh? how is seeing less is more business orientated? when you in business, u want to see more data on screen, not less data on screen! TP=2.8" 640x480. X1=3.0" 800x480.
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Oh my god... Did you seriously just say a big issue when making a business oriented phone is having a big screen? That's the most ridiculous claim I've ever heard. In that case, the Touch HD will be purely for business, because the entire phone is just one huge screen. Big screens = multimedia use... iPhone, Touch HD? I don't think I've ever seen a businessman complain "oh man this screen is too small", if that were the case all businesses would have 42" LCD monitors for their computers.
I'm considering buying an Xperia, mostly because it is much cheaper than HTC Touch HD (I'd love to have this device). But after reading diverse reviews on the Internet, I found a lot of complaints about the performance of the device (too slow,..), on the whole the review make a negative impression on me
Apparently this is just a software/firmware issue, which should be fixed with a new firmware upgrade. But what worries me most is Sony Ericsson might not ever bother to bring a new upgrade, or they will do but eventually discontinue support for the device and switch to Android, because Windows Mobile was probably a failed start for them.
Nevertheless it is very likely that I will buy the device because I know there is site on the Internet which calls xda-developers . So I am looking forward to hearing your opinions to make my ultimate decision
SE has already released upgraded firmware and from my experience I have to say the phone is quick... very quick... I have had it for about 4 or 5 months now and it goes from strength to strength... the only down side I would say is the keyboard, its different from my Kaiser/TyTN II but I am getting used to it and its working out... GPS is very fast at getting a fix (sooo much faster than my old phone its like a biplane vs a modern jet fighter) and the internet is awesome... so over all thumbs up from me, however I bet you will find negative and positive reviews... depends on the person using it and the reason they are using it I guess...
I have been owner of the X1 for about 6 weeks now and I am very satisfied. Of course, as any other device, it has some problems. This is what I don't like about it:
-Camera takes too long to capture, images get blurry if you can't hold the phone without ANY shaking (Camera Button is hard to press, which makes this difficult)
-Panel performance is poor
-Original audio recorder was removed, I believe, There is, however, a way to record with the built-in software: As a Voicenote. But you won't get a WAVE file or anything like this with it.
I've installed a lot of software meanwhile and BASICALLY performance is very well. The display may take some time to rotate when you slide it open. The biggest problem is, from my point of view, that, when you are answering a text message, it lags and you accidentally send an empty message. So you hit the Reply-Button with your finger, phone doesn't react immediately, so you think it didn't get it and you touch again, and it activates the Send-Button which will come in place of the Reply button, so you send an empty message. This has happened twice to me so far (I've sent about 100 msgs).
No other performance issues.
I can really recommend the phone. Features are fantastic and very well worth the price... This device is next-gen, a piece of future.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, it has no Ctrl-Key on the Slideout Keyboard. That's bad.
EDIT2: And just to convince you, I have running WMWIFIRouter on my X1. My phone provides me with WLAN through 3 walls over a distance of about 20 meters. Signal Quality on the Notebook is at about 40%. Isn't this crazy?
Thanks for your quick replies.
I'm a heavy "business user" although I'm still a student , it literally means that I've been using windows mobile devices only for its business functions (calendar, task, note,email, web...) and never care about other multimedia features.
The main reason for which I wanted to switch to Xperia (from HTC Touch) is its high resolution screen, still the screen seems to be relative small (3 inch), in comparison to HTC TOUCH HD.
I use smartphone to read ebook quite often, since HTC Touch HD and Xperia share the same resolution, does it really mean that Xperia can display the same amount of content as the HD does ? Or with the same content we will barely see anything on the Xperia because the screen is too small ? In case of an ebook, does it mean that the Xperia can display the same amount of words on the screen as the HD does and the page on Xperia is still readable ?
And what about those cracks, they look scared, I've just found several auctions on Ebay from people selling their cracked Xperia ...
I've just "accidentally" won a 1 month old Xperia on Ebay for only 300euro. Nevertheless I'm still waiting for your diverse opinions Just in the worst case I can resell it and save money for other device
Truth be told, I really want to keep this device ... waiting for positive reviews
I use my phone for reading all the time... usually for about 4 or more hours a day... in English and Chinese and its simply brilliant... clear and crisp... I was originally worried about the clarity, especially for the Chinese but find its just that good I am very pleased... as for cracks... I have not yet experienced this and from the various polls on this board it looks like it might be a minority from a particular colour (silver) and a particular batch... I have even dropped my phone a few times (each time filling my shorts that I had ruined my phone) but so far (touch wood) its still good...
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as for cracks... I have not yet experienced this and from the various polls on this board it looks like it might be a minority from a particular colour (silver) and a particular batch... I have even dropped my phone a few times (each time filling my shorts that I had ruined my phone) but so far (touch wood) its still good...
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Dont think this is limited to specific batches,
im on my 3rd device from a third batch (week 52 this time)
I now have 2 cracks, one on the silver trim and one near the volume button - this appears to be the common one...
dont get me wrong, it's a good phone, but I would suggest this is not just limited to one batch.
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Dont think this is limited to specific batches,
im on my 3rd device from a third batch (week 52 this time)
I now have 2 cracks, one on the silver trim and one near the volume button - this appears to be the common one...
dont get me wrong, it's a good phone, but I would suggest this is not just limited to one batch.
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Fairplay... I am just glad that mine is not one of them...
Any idea how these cracks could ever happened It is not from the manufacturing obviously but rather the cracks develop over time ... The reason might be the metal case getting bigger due to temparature , thus crack the plastic ones ...
I always take good care of my phone or any electronic device in general, my HTC Touch still looks absolutely new after 1 year of usage, if I ever experience those crack with the Xperia (hopefully not) then I'm going mad !!
xperia is not bad just not worth the high price. if your going to do a lot of reading and not in the u.s, go for the bigger screen hd.
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xperia is not bad just not worth the high price. If your going to do a lot of reading and not in the u.s, go for the bigger screen hd.
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yes i agree with that, get a hd it's much better for your needs, the screen is so tiny in xperia you will regret later belive me.
Okay, HD and X1 share the same number of pixels. But X1 has smaller screen. So the conclusion is you will see the same amount of information on both devices. However, things will appear bigger on the HD - but sharper on the X1. For reading ebooks, the HD is probably the better choice. It depens on whetehr you are interested in a slide-out keyboard. I think that's quite useful for "heavy business users". And on the space in your pocket BTW I have no Cracks at all.
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xperia is not bad just not worth the high price. if your going to do a lot of reading and not in the u.s, go for the bigger screen hd.
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I paid half the price in Poland 'cause I bought it without Polish menu... now i have Polish ROM so I think I made a good deal
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Okay, HD and X1 share the same number of pixels. But X1 has smaller screen. So the conclusion is you will see the same amount of information on both devices. However, things will appear bigger on the HD - but sharper on the X1. For reading ebooks, the HD is probably the better choice. It depens on whetehr you are interested in a slide-out keyboard. I think that's quite useful for "heavy business users". And on the space in your pocket BTW I have no Cracks at all.
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Ok, I dont mind if things are smaller on the X1 as long as they are still readable. I've never used a device with a keyboard before but I'm getting annoyed with the on screen keyboard of my current device, so a slide-out keyboard must be a plus.
On my opinion, the bigger screen of the HD is good for people who want to use it like an Iphone with their fingers. I'm happy with the stylus, so I think I will go for the X1
the firmware updates for the X1 are making the Xperia better and better (and more like the kickass phone it was supposed to be - check out the R3AA rom extracts under the TOuch-IT 4.5 rom thread!). Yes the screen is tiny, but the new Panels coming out + dedicated ppl like itje making custom firmwares makes this phone worthwhile
remember people tend to post on forums when theyre unhappy about something so theres goin to be a lot of negative comments and not as many positive ones to counteract them. as to the screen size, i use the built in opera browser to surf the Three website and everything is nice and readable. id imagine an ebook or pdf would be just as legible. and if you use it in landscape mode then the screen isnt much shorter than the average paperback book page. the X1 has the extra advantage of the optical mouse which would be quite handy for scrolling through pages. id recommend turning down the sensitivity one notch though.
i think my main recommendation is to not be too disappointed at first, theres so much software available to tweak and improve it so consider it a blank canvas. i wasnt too impressed when i got mine but now ive had a chance to customise it im much happier. everyday i find at least one new cool program to add
Xperia is practically same hardware as recent HTCs. It has same speed issues as HTC and vice versa.
If you want keyboard, I think Xperia is better then Touch Pro because it has 3.5mm jack.
If you don't want keyboard, I think HD is better because of the display.
Touchlo is good system, better then panels (IMHO), but it can be ported to Xperia, and many people does not use it even on HTC.
I say wait .. in a year there will be new WM, new faster devices, new Palm, and new iPhone maybe too.
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Any idea how these cracks could ever happened It is not from the manufacturing obviously but rather the cracks develop over time ... The reason might be the metal case getting bigger due to temparature , thus crack the plastic ones ...
I always take good care of my phone or any electronic device in general, my HTC Touch still looks absolutely new after 1 year of usage, if I ever experience those crack with the Xperia (hopefully not) then I'm going mad !!
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My personal opinion for the regular crack near the volume buttons, is that this is caused by stress from the battery cover / removing the battery cover. anyone with that crack, push down on the nearest corner of the cover to the crack, the crack gets smaller.
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Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 (Kovsky) is THE BEST HTC PHONE EVER
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Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 (Kovsky) is THE BEST HTC PHONE EVER
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28% for X1 is really great
i think the X1 is a great device, it has alot of plusses, some minuses.
mainly, it's not a multimedia device so don't expect much on graphics (although they work perfectly, but you can expect some problems from time to time). all other features are great, panels are good.
i have been using it for about 4 months, i bought it for 1000$, and i would say if time goes back, i WILL buy it again
previosly i have been using P910 & P1, they are both good, X1 is the best so far.
SE are really supporting the device, releasing updates, fixing problems.
the device came with R1A ROM, 3 months later R2AA08 was released, then they fixed some other things and released R2AA10 few weeks after.
i think SE are doing a great job supporting the device, they are doing their best to keep us happy, and most of us are.
the only problem of Windows Mobile is that it has lots of configuration and tweeks, install the wrong one or modify something wrong in the registery and you have to make a hard reset.
i LOVE my SE X1, and usually i have alot of arguments with friends who use iphone and it mostly ends with them hating their phones
hope i helped.
Ok guys, let's be fair.
I have X1 for 17 months and this device is a really great companion.
Reliable, working, stable, powerful, all fine.
Now it's few days after X2 upgrade and I'm sorry, but right now this is a disaster.
Whether I don't get something or this device is a biggest shame I've seen in my life.
Basically this is unpredictable, unstable, unfinished and not proper
piece of ************* crap I've used.
Current behaviour of X2 is like a first firmwares I've seen on P990,
few years back.
After upgrade I've had like 6 freezes through 48 hours - WTF is that?!
Freezing without any reason - just with normal, ordinary actions I do!
The software is completely not optimized at all, looks like a ****ing BETA!!!
I just can't believe it. Just can't believe
they really released this piece of crap.
Unbelievable. This is constantly crashing device.
Once SlideView crashed. Once camera stopped working - soft reset.
Now it crashed after playing a movie from the Total Commander.
It's even more **** - today I opened default WM image gallery and
used it's basic edit functions - used automatic contrast.
Wanted to save and what! Bum - the device cannot save it! Maybe after cropping it,
the device says.... Like a lack of memory!
I mean - I know what software is, always has it's glitches, right.
But what is happening to X2 is like really really bad joke!!!!!!!
Guys, do you think that the problem may be in a wrong upgrade?!
I don't believe it.
So, in fact the 600 Euro piece behaves like a beta stage.
Definitely, the X2 goes back to SE, I want my money back.
You won't **** with me anymore.
Unacceptable. Too much.
I was a fan of SE smartphones (used P800, P910, P990, P1, X1)
All of them served well.
This X2 not. Over. Never gonna buy any SE in my life.
And I think they'll never learn. Never.
In the competitive and tight smartphone market, they are rude enough
to release something like that. And stupid.
Of course I'll not leave it this way. I'll spread the info around.
P.S.
As regarding X1 people experiences were very different,
but generally feedback was good and deserved.
X2 has huge negative feedback right now and I'm not alone.
Besides xda forums, just look at
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produc...able/#comments
What is there is amazing. 90% of negative comments after upgrade.
This device didn't bahave like this before!!!
What about you guys?
I'm absolutely agree with you.
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X2 is a nice piece of Hardware, but is a complete mess in terms of Software.
Maybe calling Tech Blogs to post this news would help SE to fix the phone.
Cheers.
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I'm absolutely agree with you.
The Sony Ericsson Xperia X2 is a nice piece of Hardware, but is a complete mess in terms of Software.
Maybe calling Tech Blogs to post this news would help SE to fix the phone.
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What Tech Blogs??
Installed YouTube panel,
wanted to choose it than - phone restarted.
Plugged charger - phone didn't react until I entered battery settings...
haha, starts to be fascinating!
It's really terrible for you guys. It is very arrogant of SE to do this. They don't have their act together, and they need to pay the price. I like the suggestion above. You might somehow try to get this whole debacle picked up by the gadget sites like Engadget, though I don't know how. I know their editors browse these forums. They might run it on a slow news day (remember they ran the X1 "cracks" story, and they run firmware stories all the time).
It's a frustrating time for WM fans, because there are very few cutting edge choices for us these days.
I dont know whats the cause but when i left the phone alone for a while and then i try to turn on the screen, it stays black, if i slide the keyboard the keys get illuminated but the screen is still off.. so i have to reset for 15th time…
Also i get a lot of troubles with the memory card, sometimes it works and the phone detects it but sometimes it takes several resets and ejects/inserts of the card to make it work…
Whats going on!?!?!?!?!?
I feel exactly the same. it's the worst phone i ever had.
i will not buy any more **** from SE. The X1 was a really nice device but this???
No more. and i am sure that SE is in here on XDA and reading to get some feedback and to you i have just one question:
how can you sleep at nights?
Low_down
SE totally lost its way with smartphones after P910 PERIOD!!. Each new device after P910 was worse than its predecessor. When i thought P990 was unstable and slow (skipping P1i that was too little too late and with its own downgrades), along came X1 which i found out to be even worse than P990. I dont know what the reviewers were smoking when they tested X1 out starting from bad build quality & durability (cracks in casing, keyboard issues etc), hardware (useless camera, speakerphone and illumination gimmik) and right down to software (Windows Mobile, worst call audio i've encountered in any mobile phone i've used so far, video playback and the list goes on)!!
Its quite clear to me that at SE there's no such word as "improvement" and "lesson learnt" anymore. Instead of rectifying their issues with a jewel of a platform like UIQ (which would have been much cheaper and more productive for both SE and Symbian) they choose to sleep around with every other slut of a operating system they can find out on the street. SE is nothing but a lost cow now.
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SE totally lost its way with smartphones after P910 PERIOD!!. Each new device after P910 was worse than its predecessor. When i thought P990 was unstable and slow (skipping P1i that was too little too late and with its own downgrades), along came X1 which i found out to be even worse than P990. I dont know what the reviewers were smoking when they tested X1 out starting from bad build quality & durability (cracks in casing, keyboard issues etc), hardware (useless camera, speakerphone and illumination gimmik) and right down to software (Windows Mobile, worst call audio i've encountered in any mobile phone i've used so far, video playback and the list goes on)!!
Its quite clear to me that at SE there's no such word as "improvement" and "lesson learnt" anymore. Instead of rectifying their issues with a jewel of a platform like UIQ (which would have been much cheaper and more productive for both SE and Symbian) they choose to sleep around with every other slut of a operating system they can find out on the street. SE is nothing but a lost cow now.
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Heh funny
but I feel bad because of different reasons!!!
After P990 which became usable after half a year
P1 was a pleasurable experience.
And than came X1 which is the best of all of them
working beautifully for the last 17 months on stock ROM!
So encouraged by that I bought X2.
And received a massive slap in the face,
I mean this time collectively almost all of the X2 users
agree - this is beyond acceptance.
i thought sony hit their peak with the P1i. near perfect phone in my opinion. i had it over a year and sold it to a friend and hes had it ever since. still going strong and faultless. a joy to use... only took them 6 generations of P phones to do it but then they ditched the series and started again with the X phones.
as to the X2, i firmly lay the blame with microsoft not sony... the hardware was designed by sony this time and is top notch. but all the problems stem from the WM interface. sony try their hardest to hide the limitations of the operating system but it still shows through. i do like WM and the variety of customisation available, but that strength is also its weakness. same as with windows on a pc. because it can be customised so much its impossible to avoid conflicts and bugs. no two X2s are the same. we've all got a different selection of software on our phones with different options and settings. its near impossible to test for all combinations. they fix one bug and another is introduced somewhere else as a result. i dont think its any coincedence that for the X10 and other proposed X phones theyre not using WM anymore....
a new bug that ive spotted thats really annoying:- my phone now randomly turns off! either that or it crashes to a black screen. i have to remove the battery to be able to restart it. done it 4 or 5 times now...
i do like the X2, when it works its brilliant but when it fails it fails immensly. my only hopes are the the next update fixes the **** ups of this update...or someone figures out how to make custom roms and fixes the problems..
I agree. I am designer. I will design a beautiful poster for This Xperia-X2 best stupid phone and publish it on my Facebook address.
I can't stand anymore to this phone. Now I am afraid if I have miscalled or sms. The phone freeze. Damn. Soo... what is X2 for? a telecommunication or decoration?
I remember X1, first release and got bugs too. but we can use tips and trick to custom it. just 1 thing in X1 that I don't like. The volume is too soft. But X2? Huh! what can we do to this stupid phone???
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i thought sony hit their peak with the P1i. near perfect phone in my opinion. i had it over a year and sold it to a friend and hes had it ever since. still going strong and faultless. a joy to use... only took them 6 generations of P phones to do it but then they ditched the series and started again with the X phones.
as to the X2, i firmly lay the blame with microsoft not sony... the hardware was designed by sony this time and is top notch. but all the problems stem from the WM interface. sony try their hardest to hide the limitations of the operating system but it still shows through. i do like WM and the variety of customisation available, but that strength is also its weakness. same as with windows on a pc. because it can be customised so much its impossible to avoid conflicts and bugs. no two X2s are the same. we've all got a different selection of software on our phones with different options and settings. its near impossible to test for all combinations. they fix one bug and another is introduced somewhere else as a result. i dont think its any coincedence that for the X10 and other proposed X phones theyre not using WM anymore....
a new bug that ive spotted thats really annoying:- my phone now randomly turns off! either that or it crashes to a black screen. i have to remove the battery to be able to restart it. done it 4 or 5 times now...
i do like the X2, when it works its brilliant but when it fails it fails immensly. my only hopes are the the next update fixes the **** ups of this update...or someone figures out how to make custom roms and fixes the problems..
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Of course, when it works it's a marvellous piece.
It freezes or refuses to perform basic actions every one or two hours.
I have only 3 or 4 apps installed...
I disagree on the system - I fully blame SE for this incompetent
rude behaviour.
How many other devices on market work on WM 6.5?
Many!!!
If the OS is ****ed - you don't release an update to the customer until it works, as simple as that!
We don't talk about some bugs.
We talk about a basic inability to WORK.
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Now it's all clear.
They were ****ed and late with the device from the beginning.
The first version did not operate some hardware planned features - radio, videocall.
Why? They were late, incompetent and poor.
Now, the new release, BESIDES those huge problems
REMOVES some present before functionality like autorotating.
Why? Because they cannot deal with this.
Because they're incompetent.
They remove the games.
Why?
Because:
1. They use motion sensor so now you cannot play them.
2. They implemented too little memory in the device (idiots!!!)
to leave the games WITH added videocall and radio.
There's 3% possibility that I'm wrong
but my theory is:
X2 will never be OK.
It's probably ****ed exactly the same way P990 was.
I can't believe I was such an idiot and believed in anything
they do.
I agree with doministry
They maybe got confused and packed a pre pre pre beta as the final release.. hahaha
seriously, I want my +$500 phone working SE
lol its funny to see the blog is down too with the complaints doministry posted lol
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lol its funny to see the blog is down too with the complaints doministry posted lol
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Yes mam!
I've never felt so pissed.
I was waiting patiently for 2 weeks or more for an upgrade
not posting any negative comment.
But what happens now is beyond me.
I also wrote to WmPoweruser and Engadget mobile about this.
lol now i dont feel so bad of waiting on the hd2 to drop its price or buy the htc evo this summer
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i thought sony hit their peak with the P1i. near perfect phone in my opinion. i had it over a year and sold it to a friend and hes had it ever since. still going strong and faultless. a joy to use... only took them 6 generations of P phones to do it but then they ditched the series and started again with the X phones.
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the p1i was more than perfect even the body build is still the best... the P1i IMO was the best smartphone SE ever made
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lol now i dont feel so bad of waiting on the hd2 to drop its price or buy the htc evo this summer
the p1i was more than perfect even the body build is still the best... the P1i IMO was the best smartphone SE ever made
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Well personally I'm even more happy with X1
really.
P1 was a masterpiece though.
SE,Xperia X2
I has use HTC TynT.ll Kaiser
SE.Xperia.X1
and SE.Xperia X2
I feel exactly the same.X2. it's the worst phone i ever had.
i will not buy any more **** from SE. The X1 was a really nice device but this???
- Weaking Signal than HTC
-X2 also can't Download any city Maps from TomTom Navigate ,even 1 free city ( X1 can ,and working with TomTom Navigate )
- X2,camera with 8 Mega Pix sound good but Blury,no good picture.
- Not good technical Suport .just seat and waiting some one find and fix trouble for them , this is bad.
I say. I will never ever buy SE phone again
This make me remember when Sony CO come out Beta Video Tape,all it bad.
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Ok guys, let's be fair.
I have X1 for 17 months and this device is a really great companion.
Reliable, working, stable, powerful, all fine.
Now it's few days after X2 upgrade and I'm sorry, but right now this is a disaster.
Whether I don't get something or this device is a biggest shame I've seen in my life.
Basically this is unpredictable, unstable, unfinished and not proper
piece of ************* crap I've used.
Current behaviour of X2 is like a first firmwares I've seen on P990,
few years back.
After upgrade I've had like 6 freezes through 48 hours - WTF is that?!
Freezing without any reason - just with normal, ordinary actions I do!
The software is completely not optimized at all, looks like a ****ing BETA!!!
I just can't believe it. Just can't believe
they really released this piece of crap.
Unbelievable. This is constantly crashing device.
Once SlideView crashed. Once camera stopped working - soft reset.
Now it crashed after playing a movie from the Total Commander.
It's even more **** - today I opened default WM image gallery and
used it's basic edit functions - used automatic contrast.
Wanted to save and what! Bum - the device cannot save it! Maybe after cropping it,
the device says.... Like a lack of memory!
I mean - I know what software is, always has it's glitches, right.
But what is happening to X2 is like really really bad joke!!!!!!!
Guys, do you think that the problem may be in a wrong upgrade?!
I don't believe it.
So, in fact the 600 Euro piece behaves like a beta stage.
Definitely, the X2 goes back to SE, I want my money back.
You won't **** with me anymore.
Unacceptable. Too much.
I was a fan of SE smartphones (used P800, P910, P990, P1, X1)
All of them served well.
This X2 not. Over. Never gonna buy any SE in my life.
And I think they'll never learn. Never.
In the competitive and tight smartphone market, they are rude enough
to release something like that. And stupid.
Of course I'll not leave it this way. I'll spread the info around.
P.S.
As regarding X1 people experiences were very different,
but generally feedback was good and deserved.
X2 has huge negative feedback right now and I'm not alone.
Besides xda forums, just look at
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produc...able/#comments
What is there is amazing. 90% of negative comments after upgrade.
This device didn't bahave like this before!!!
What about you guys?
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Wow. For a while I thought that doministry's account got hacked since he was the #1 person who'd argue with people who had anything negative to say against the x2 (even x2 users)
If that's not case, glad to see you're man enough to admit you're wrong, mate.
Ok, I will try to keep this short...I just thought this was kinda weird.....
I called to return my phone today, and when they asked if I had any other issues with it (besides the back cover not lining up with the phone) I said yes..and I described how the screen does not let you have two fingers on the same axis and gave them this example: when I was playing 'Prince of Persia' and it had the direction buttons on the lower left of the screen and across on the lower right of the screen were the other 'action buttons' and when I press both they either both do not work or only one will work. Now the rep said 'Oh, well that is because the nexus one does not have multi touch...it has pinch to zoom' ...in my mind I was like "wth?" haha, but is this just their excuse for the Synaptic touch sensor? It seems more as though they are trying to justify it instead of owning up to it...well my response was refering to the Htc incredible and the Supersonic which have new touch sensors that work better and I said I had wished the nexus one had the same...the rep said she was not aware of an update for the problem, but it is not out of the question...(I wondered if she realized I was talking about hardware not software, although hardware can be updated as well just not as easily...)...
Umm I'm not sure how much that tech actually knows, because I was playing a game on my N1....idr the name of it but it was a first-person shooter, and I was able to use the on-screen movement controls AND look around by dragging my finger across the screen at the same time.
I think that's because they are on two different horizontal axes.
N1 can detect TWO touch points at the same time, and thats according to the touch sensor manufacturer. I think the game, Prince of Persia, is not efficient enough for detecting two points at the same time. We should wait till 19th May and see what Google brings for gaming scene on android...
yeah the update is right around the corner, so i would be curious to see if it fixes that issue.
but i would not expect some customer service rep to know a damn thing about the Y-axis issue or what model the touch screen is synaptics clearpad 2000. you're giving them way too much credit. they just know it has pinch to zoom, and that's the end of it.
anyway that game should work OK using 2 touch points, but i havent tried it to know for sure. i have seen that there are other games that use 2 points and they work fine. i guess the game crosses the Y-axis is when it would not work, but i didnt know any type of those games exist yet. i admit it sucks that this limitation is present.
The error occurs if the two fingers are on the same axis ...i.e. horizontal / vertical from each other ...but if it is diagonal it should work...even slightly diagonal should work unless the two points get close to each others axis....this is not a software issue and I surely would love to see it fixed with a software update but I doubt this will be so...only time will tell.....now I would not blame it on Prince of Persia...check other games with the same control layout and see how it works...or even try something without the same layout and just use one control and touch your finger on the same axis of the control and you will see the error occur....
It sucks, a BRAND NEW 2010 phone, over $500....and yet cannot even use proper multitouch...even my old iphone 2g works better in the multitouch aspect....(sad and disappointing) ...it has all these nice specs but the multi touch aspect kills it for me...
People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh
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People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " " ....
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/
If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
haha
yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
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your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
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I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
i can't think of two (one isn't really worth the think) reasons for a multi-touch sensor. pinch/zoom seems to work well for maps and pictures. not being a gamer means a good deal of drama is lost on me i suppose.
as far as the price of the n1, and being 'stuck' with the phone... that's laughable. anyone can sell their n1 TONIGHT on ebay or craigslist for 100% of what they paid for it from google, and then some in certain cases. smart phones co$t MONEY. beit an iphone, n1, n97, or whatever is going to be badass next summer. i _LIKE_ the idea of buying off contract, using a NO CONTRACT carrier, and selling/leaving when i want.
should a N1 come out for att/whoever without contract, with a sweet keyboard like the G1, i'd switch overnight. water proof ? i'm there. 12 mp camera with HD and a gig of rom space ? sweet.
this is more a rant thread than a progress in motion thread. if you feel you've been wronged or led by false advertising, sell your phone. get one that does everything you have to have. i don't recall anyone saying "holy **** it haz multi-touch i gotta haz it !!!!!" when the n1 was released.
that was much longer than i expected. shoulda just said "lol" and left it.
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
haha
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When I said made with quality, I was saying how much quality are put into Android's games. I was referring nothing to hardware issues.
Most Android games (to me) are horrible little 2D games that get boring in a few minutes. I don't even really "want" to play them, so therefore I don't need a complicated multi touch system until 'quality' games are made. Games that are worth playing for more than a few seconds, sadly to say, iPhone type games. Google is trying, though.
The only application that "plays" the games I want to play is GameBoid, where the multi-touch works perfectly. I can hold down a directional input, along with B, or A, and reform actions that result in those two presses perfectly. Such as running.
You seem to love to whine though, you did pay a lot for this phone though, I guess I would be pissed if this really mattered to me as well. Right now I'm like "whatever, who cares". It does what I want..
I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.
my response is no
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well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...
disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day
just answer this...
wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?
I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
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I've owned so many phones in my life, and every single one of them had some type of issue, defect, missing feature, or whatever. if the only complaint about the nexus is this one minor issue, than I say its a winner.
great so the original iPhone could do it, but it couldn't do pics with a flash, or copy/paste, or mms. so what scenario is better/worse? I say the nexus is the better situation by leaps and bounds.
if this issue is important to you then you should switch phones. for me its not that important. my Nokia n97 had a faulty camera lens issue that scratched itself when opening. every phone has its quirks. if the nexus ones quirk is this Y axis issue, then I proclaim we all are winners with such a minor issue.
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days
or wait MMS?
hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?
even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
haha damn, this IS becomming a 'rant' thread...sorry on my behalf for that didn't mean for it to come to that ...I am irritating myself right now with this thread... I just wanted to bring up what the rep had said it was kind of odd to hear that....but the issue she was referring to is something that bugs me..
Now in reference to the gba emulator comment, I haven't tried it but the SNES emu works fine (it has the directional pad diagonally across from the buttons, so it does not suffer from the so called 'y axis' error)
BTW I have some Nexus Cases, anyone interested ?
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wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....
I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...
haha
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Well, go get the best you can get for your money, i guess. Some people are satisfied with their nexus ones (nexii?)
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lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....
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The iphone and the nexus are not competitors, strictly speaking. The devices are competing in different classes. If you feel that they are, you could probably do some research, which would give you a good idea of how they compare.
Less ranting please.
Sony is replacing my X1a with an X2a. I had very little interest in the X2a so I am not well informed about this phone.
Should I be happy? I really love the X1. I supplement my nexus one with it when I travel.
I would really love to hear from X1 users who have migrated to the X2. Thank you.
Heh it's a "stinky" subject here.
I mean basically we cannot say different: SE screwed this.
Because they didn't release finished Firmware.
And that is the shame. Big shame.
I did convert from X1 to X2.
And to be honest, in almost every area X2 is better than X1.
Screen, construction, camera, UI, Qwerty keyboard.
I use it as my device.
Besides stability.
Simple:
X1 = Hardware: FAIL / Software: OK
X2 = Hardware: OK / Software: FAIL
Al least, you can protect an X1 with cases. But, the X2 is a excellent phone when it's turned off.
Cheers.
Well, I can say I use it as my only device.
And if I reboot it every few days, it's flawless.
You guys are funny. I had a good laugh because I know the xperia series all have some quirks. Thanks for the info.
I read some reviews saying the screen response was worse than the X1. Any opinions?
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You guys are funny. I had a good laugh because I know the xperia series all have some quirks. Thanks for the info.
I read some reviews saying the screen response was worse than the X1. Any opinions?
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Why laugh? I was trying to be informative.
The screen in the latest FW is OK, slightly worse than X1,
or actually I'd say different: X1 required very short touch to response,
X2 requires longer taps. But works well.
the shop gave me x2 in february when they couldnt repair my x1. but if i knew then what i know now about x2 i would rather ask them for moneyback or some other high end device.
X1 in 2009 was a great phone (still my favourite), but x2 in 2010 is hardwarewise a midle range phone (almost the sam cpu and ram as htc tattoo). pricewice is a high end phone. software vise is an sorry excuse for a phone.
i would never take the x2 in february with the experience i have now with it.
i cant imagine that some folks had to pay for this phone (if i can even call it that). its like 400-500€ that got trown away.
my opinion.
I think that the bad opinion about the X2 is due to the old firmwares.
I bought mine 10 days ago and I'm happy with it.
The X2, now, is far from perfect, but isn't absolutely a crap phone.
It is doing everything I need (other than pbap) and I'm still using it instead of the milestone, although the latter is now almost perfect on the sw side, and has a powerfull HW.
I'm still prefer the X2 over the milestone, because the keyboard, because the optical Dpad available in portrait, because I can choose between operamini and opera mobile, because the battery life, because the form factor, because I can watch almost any movie w/o any conversion process, and last but not least, because I don't like the "bigbrotherness" of the android devices.
doministry said:
Why laugh? I was trying to be informative.
The screen in the latest FW is OK, slightly worse than X1,
or actually I'd say different: X1 required very short touch to response,
X2 requires longer taps. But works well.
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I've been using SE phones for a very long time so I know how they operate. I like their phones and try to be lighthearted when trying to deal with either their software or hardware shortcomings. Thankfully we have awesome contributors here at XDA who help address these flaws.
I appreciate everyone who took time to read my post and then reply. I will be delving deeper into this forum when I get my hands on the phone.
You must take X2.
Brother in my opinion you must take X2. its a great phone.
Doesnt matter about software soon we are going to get fix for everything..as you have been using X1 you must be knowing that it' software was also crappy in the starting but updates and contributions by developers made it the best phone...i hope n sure that same thing wil happen with X2.
But decision is yours..you cant get any other high-end product from SE. as X2 is the product whether its rate, camera, screen resolution etc.
i use x2:
- screen size (HD2 is too big)
- qwerty
need a little more stable and it will be perfect
Hmmm X2...
I love my X1 to death. I've had it since it was first released! I bought the X2 recently, prepping it as a gift for my significant other. OMG, I'm having a hard time navigating through this thing; menu lagging and slow, confusing options.
I'm so used to the typical WM6 today screen, I'm still looking into the X2 having it.
Its not a bad decision to 'upgrade', but just takes time to get used to I guess.
Good luck!
I'm so used to the typical WM6 today screen, I'm still looking into the X2 having it.
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The classic today is still there.
hwy7.fox said:
I love my X1 to death. I've had it since it was first released! I bought the X2 recently, prepping it as a gift for my significant other. OMG, I'm having a hard time navigating through this thing; menu lagging and slow, confusing options.
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Hahaha. I know exactly what you are talking about. I flashed a 6.5 rom for the X1 a while back. I used it for a few weeks and gave up. I went back to the stock rom and couldn't have been happier. I liked the X1's today screen because all notifications are conveniently on the main screen.
Oh well time to get used to another interface.
The replacement came in
Well, the replacement phone came in. I have to say that the firmware that came stock with the phone was terrible. It was absolute trash compared to the X1's. I've updated to the latest firmware on 8/26 which I'm assuming is the MR2 referenced here in the forums. It's much faster and more stable than stock. I could say that I can actually work with the thing.
Quick questions:
1. I looked in the FAQs and the last post update was in may. Should I apply the X2 SDfix.cab as recommended or has there been more developments since then?
2. Will some of the functions of XperiaTweek work with the X2 if I install it?
3. Is registry hacking still needed for the accelerometer and gps?
4. Will cleartemp still work?
P.S. I didn't expect the phone to be completely crappy out of the box. Now that I've experienced what you early X2 users have gone through, I wouldn't find your situation humorous.
SDFix is a MUST.
ClearTemp works perfect..
GPS I don't know.......
Accelerometer can be enabled by SE app available in PlayNow.
Gps works perfectly with most sw navigon/igo8/tomtom and so on.
With older sw you need to configure the gps to use the old styled serial port (eg: com4) instead of the newer gpd device.