Hi Everybody...
First i`d like to say i really enjoyed reading all the stuff postet here.
This is my first post so don't chopp me into peaces and sorry for my poor english
I was crawling the threads for about an hour an was unable to find an answer for the following question, so plzzz help me
Until it broke i used my thc magician for about 2 years. Awesome piece of technologie. I've bought 2 broken charmers for a couple of euros... I found out that i could change the broken charmer-parts with my magician remains.
Now i asked myself if it's possible to use the cpu from my magician on the charmer? Is that possible? The charmer has 200Mhz, my magician 485Mhz... The Charmer has the double ammount of Ram and so on... just the cpu is peculiarly just 200Mhz. Perhaps the Mhz-Count doesn't matter that much...
Can anyone help me??
Norm-HEN said:
Hi Everybody...
First i`d like to say i really enjoyed reading all the stuff postet here.
This is my first post so don't chopp me into peaces and sorry for my poor english
I was crawling the threads for about an hour an was unable to find an answer for the following question, so plzzz help me
Until it broke i used my thc magician for about 2 years. Awesome piece of technologie. I've bought 2 broken charmers for a couple of euros... I found out that i could change the broken charmer-parts with my magician remains.
Now i asked myself if it's possible to use the cpu from my magician on the charmer? Is that possible? The charmer has 200Mhz, my magician 485Mhz... The Charmer has the double ammount of Ram and so on... just the cpu is peculiarly just 200Mhz. Perhaps the Mhz-Count doesn't matter that much...
Can anyone help me??
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Hi!
No way,they have different hardwares.Charmer has an OMAP850 CPU that's just a bit slower than the Magician's PXA272,but it's just a benchmark number,in everydays,Charmer is faster than Magician I think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=270156
BR
Scootie
Dear Developers and ROM Cookers,
Is there a chance to ever have a WM7 rom for HD Mini?
I know Microsoft recommends 1GHz Snapdragon or faster, but i'm sure the 600 MHz Qualcomm's computing power should be fairly enough at least for running the OS.
(I mean, come on, some years ago, we all had old PC's with CPU's slower than this, still able to run Win98 )
384 MB of RAM should be more than enough.
I think the major drawback is the HVGA resolution: indeed, to my knowledge, no WM7 phone was released in 480x320, in fact all i've seen are on 800x480.
Hence, i have no idea what device's ROM should/could be used as a basis.
I'm a programmer myself but have no experience whatsoever with WM, that's why i'm asking this (dumb?) question: is it possible to addapt the OS from one device to the other (e.g. Mozart to HD Mini), though the CPU and screen res are different?
Is the OS so highly hard-coded that memory mapping, resolution and HW button functions are impossible to be changed via some config files?
Thanks for taking time to give it a thought!
no i don't think that the mini will able to use Windows phone 7.
johnsk said:
no i don't think that the mini will able to use Windows phone 7.
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Thank you johnsk for your reply. Reading all throughout similar threads, i understand it's very complicated or even impossible to addapt ROM's from one device to the other, especially when HW specs are different.
My question though, for whoever is willing to share the detailed reasons, is:
Are the HW-specific configurations in a ROM (e.g. resolution, memory mapping, HW buttons etc) hard-coded in the ROM, or are they accessible via configuration files?
I mean, Microsoft ships the raw OS to the phone manufacturer.
Later on, development teams of e.g. HTC R&D are tweaking and addapting the raw OS to the device itself.
My question to the knowledgeable ROM cookers and developers is: can those tweaks be reverse-engineered so that a shipped ROM can be modified to fit another device, OR can we maybe get our hands on the raw OS as it comes out of M$, then configure it ourselves?
Thanks!
WP7 won't come to our HD Mini. Indeed, the Snapdragon's computing speed isn't a big deal. That would only be handy to use apps (because those are designed for it). The real problem is that Microsoft only impelemented Snapdragon support. So our Qualcomm CPU is not supported and so not recognized by the OS, making it impossible to ever run WP7. The only very little chance to maybe ever run WP7 is by hacking the OS and add Qualcomm support or make a workaround to evide the Snapdragon checks.
_Madmatt said:
WP7 won't come to our HD Mini. Indeed, the Snapdragon's computing speed isn't a big deal. That would only be handy to use apps (because those are designed for it). The real problem is that Microsoft only impelemented Snapdragon support. So our Qualcomm CPU is not supported and so not recognized by the OS, making it impossible to ever run WP7. The only very little chance to maybe ever run WP7 is by hacking the OS and add Qualcomm support or make a workaround to evide the Snapdragon checks.
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Thank you so much MadMatt for taking the time to explain.
Bad news for the Mini and for us who like its small size yet powerfull enough HW.
Well, at least we have you and the other dedicated Chefs who squeeze as much juice as possible out of the old WM 6.5.x for us
Thanks again and keep up the good work!
yea, thats sad , that we cant get wm7 on our phone also. But hopefuly will get android working 100%
madmat thank-you very much for Your helps.
am always following the progress of installing Android on photon. and that guys thérèse need à big help after cotulla's stop. we need professional developpers. or we need somebody to talk with cotulla to continue what he starts.
am posting here cause i dont have the access to post there.
so plz all developpers go there at Android on photon thread, and give our friends the help.
Kind of off topic but as you can't access the thread, I understand it. I contacted 2 devs that helped porting Android to the HD2 (that should be very experienced ones), but got no reply yet...
Do you REALLY want WM7 on the Mini?
I've not had a long play with WM7, but i really can't see that it makes any massive jumps in terms of technology and user integration. The mini is fantastic in terms of speed, weight, size screen, WM6.5 makes the phone slow, difficult to use, and lacking in useful content. I cant imagine moving to WM7 would really help!
Vannystick said:
Do you REALLY want WM7 on the Mini?
I've not had a long play with WM7, but i really can't see that it makes any massive jumps in terms of technology and user integration. The mini is fantastic in terms of speed, weight, size screen, WM6.5 makes the phone slow, difficult to use, and lacking in useful content. I cant imagine moving to WM7 would really help!
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I agree!! WP7 it is very closed
всем привет у кого на каммуникаторе стоит прошивка виндовс мобиле 7 тоесть семерка если есть то дайте ссылку на скачивание файла установлю беспроблем английский знаю помогите с прошивкой ессли есть у cottula то дайте поскарей
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всем привет у кого на каммуникаторе стоит прошивка виндовс мобиле 7 тоесть семерка если есть то дайте ссылку на скачивание файла установлю беспроблем английский знаю помогите с прошивкой ессли есть у cottula то дайте поскарей
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haha ENGLISH
Allwinner T3 Quad Core vs. Intel SoFIA 3GR Quad Core
which one is better?
I am thinking about buying one of these devices. Where are the pros and cons? Which is faster, better?
Device 1: Joying
Device 2: Pumpkin
I can not decide.
Very good question.
The third new one is Ownice with unknown 4core A53 CPU. Later they will offer a 8Core A53.
Which one is the fastest ???
Anyone make a benchmark ???
In one month comes the 8core. I have write with ownice...
But general we need some benchmarks between all the new units !
A benchmark does not say much about the speed and the os. One sees only one number on the paper. Sorry for my Google english. I'am from germany...
Yes, iam too. Also geht auch deutsch.
He he... Wie ich schon auf englisch versucht habe zu schreiben, ein benchmark sagt nicht viel über die gefühlte Geschwindigkeit aus. Es hat sich viel mit dem ROM zu tun. So jetzt aber weiter auf englisch, sonst verstehen es die meisten anderen ja nicht
I have wrote you a private Message. Thats the better way for conversation in german.
Why do these threads never get updated? Isn't there general benchmarks they run on phones that can be run on these units?
I mean why is there such a lack of centralized information on all of this.
Sorry, i dont know...
Hallo
was meint ihr welcher von den CPU ist der bessere ?
* CPU: Intel SoFIA 3GR , 4 Cores
oder
* CPU: MT3562 Octa Core, ARM Cortex-A53, 1.5-1.8GHz
oder
* CPU: Allwinner T3 Quad Core
Hello
What do you think which of the CPU is the better?
* CPU: Intel SoFIA 3GR , 4 Cores
or
* CPU: MT3562 Octa Core, ARM Cortex-A53, 1.5-1.8GHz
or
* CPU: Allwinner T3 Quad Core
DarkGenesis said:
gehe ich richtig davon aus dass ich hier auch in Deutsch schreiben kann?
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I don't think so. This forum is in English.
And double posts are typically not welcome in any forum...
The best benchmark or indicator is Google Maps after Cold start. The old RK3188 takes a lot of time to start it up. The hardest trial was to start a Shortcut for Google Maps. One klick to start route to home. Has it anyone tested ?
andi1203 said:
Allwinner T3 Quad Core vs. Intel SoFIA 3GR Quad Core
which one is better?
I am thinking about buying one of these devices. Where are the pros and cons? Which is faster, better?
Device 1: Joying
Device 2: Pumpkin
I can not decide.
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Allwinner CPU is complete and utter GARBAGE. Avoid it like the plague.
The Intel, being somewhat.... INTEL (even if it was joint venture with rockchip), actually has a lot of supporting open source code (such as full kernel source for an ASUS branded tablet using the same chip). That means that there is actually possibility of custom built kernels for it.
Others have mentioned a mediatek SoC with a non-existent part number. Likely the mediatek isn't terrible, but it also isn't a great chip, if it is what I suspect it is.
And forget about synthetic benchmarks like antutu. This kind of benchmark is ONLY valuable when comparing iterative changes within the SAME processor architecture, or SOFTWARE changes on the exact same hardware. And by "same processor architecture", I mean that it is valid to compare, for example, a Snapdragon 800 to an 801 or an 805, since these are iterative changes to the same design. These benchmarks are NOT EVEN VALID to compare different BRANDS of supposedly similar generation hardware (i.e., Mediatek vs Qualcomm).
They are CERTAINLY and UNQUESTIONABLY useless when comparing **ENTIRELY DIFFERENT** CPU architectures, such as ARM vs x86. ARM is RISC (reduced instruction set computing), x86 is CISC (complex instruction set computing). So when you look at the benchmarks like antutu, they are tailored for the RISC architecture, using the particular reduced instruction set available there.
BUT OF COURSE, the x86 has equivalents to those simplified instructions, but IN ADDITION, the x86 has a big heap of very complex instructions where it can do some very complex manipulations very efficiently -- but these complex instructions aren't tested in these benchmarks!!!!
So at the end of the day, even if the x86 shows a MUCH lower benchmark score (for instance, these SoFIA C3230RK's are benchmarking in the low 20,000's, yet my Nexus 6 benchmarks in the low 80,000's), this doesn't actually mean that the x86 is slower -- although the Nexus 6 really does have a kick-a$$ SoC. You simply CANNOT compare them in this manner.
Now its too late. I have the pumpkin unit with the allwinner quadcore.
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Allwinner CPU is complete and utter GARBAGE. Avoid it like the plague.
The Intel, being somewhat.... INTEL (even if it was joint venture with rockchip), actually has a lot of supporting open source code (such as full kernel source for an ASUS branded tablet using the same chip). That means that there is actually possibility of custom built kernels for it.
Others have mentioned a mediatek SoC with a non-existent part number. Likely the mediatek isn't terrible, but it also isn't a great chip, if it is what I suspect it is.
And forget about synthetic benchmarks like antutu. This kind of benchmark is ONLY valuable when comparing iterative changes within the SAME processor architecture, or SOFTWARE changes on the exact same hardware. And by "same processor architecture", I mean that it is valid to compare, for example, a Snapdragon 800 to an 801 or an 805, since these are iterative changes to the same design. These benchmarks are NOT EVEN VALID to compare different BRANDS of supposedly similar generation hardware (i.e., Mediatek vs Qualcomm).
They are CERTAINLY and UNQUESTIONABLY useless when comparing **ENTIRELY DIFFERENT** CPU architectures, such as ARM vs x86. ARM is RISC (reduced instruction set computing), x86 is CISC (complex instruction set computing). So when you look at the benchmarks like antutu, they are tailored for the RISC architecture, using the particular reduced instruction set available there.
BUT OF COURSE, the x86 has equivalents to those simplified instructions, but IN ADDITION, the x86 has a big heap of very complex instructions where it can do some very complex manipulations very efficiently -- but these complex instructions aren't tested in these benchmarks!!!!
So at the end of the day, even if the x86 shows a MUCH lower benchmark score (for instance, these SoFIA C3230RK's are benchmarking in the low 20,000's, yet my Nexus 6 benchmarks in the low 80,000's), this doesn't actually mean that the x86 is slower -- although the Nexus 6 really does have a kick-a$$ SoC. You simply CANNOT compare them in this manner.
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So the Intel SoFIA 3GR is the better from the 3 CPU? ? ?
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DarkGenesis said:
So the Intel SoFIA 3GR is the better from the 3 CPU? ? ?
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By FAR. Intel even provides BSP for the SoFIA units, and their Yocto project BSP is just plain old posted to their website! Compare that to GPL violating Chinese hardware vendors. Top of that, the SoFIA is considerably more powerful, and this is just a NO BRAIN choice.
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By FAR. Intel even provides BSP for the SoFIA units, and their Yocto project BSP is just plain old posted to their website! Compare that to GPL violating Chinese hardware vendors. Top of that, the SoFIA is considerably more powerful, and this is just a NO BRAIN choice.
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And the MT3562 Octa Core, ARM Cortex-A53, 1.5-1.8GHz CPU from the
http://www.ownice.com/Pro_Auto DVD GPS Navigation for 2din Universal_405.html
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DarkGenesis said:
And the MT3562 Octa Core, ARM Cortex-A53, 1.5-1.8GHz CPU from the
http://www.ownice.com/Pro_Auto DVD GPS Navigation for 2din Universal_405.html
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First, there is NO SUCH PART as MT3562.
So look at the one that is *closest* in spec to what they advertise, the MT6753 -- which has pretty dismal performance for an EIGHT CORE SoC. The thing isn't even CLOSE to twice as powerful even as garbage like the RK3188! Its about 20% higher on single core, and only 50% higher on multi-core. Given 20% higher single core performance and double the number of cores, it should be 140% higher on multi-core. So something is severely wrong there, like throttling right off the line to the point of multiple cores shutting down.
And make note of the fact that those 8 cores are A53's. NOT the high performance A57's that gave qualcomm problems with the SD810. A53's are ARM's reference HIGH EFFICIENCY cores, they're supposed to run slow and cool, and they're supposed to be bundled in big-little configuration with A57's or A72's. You run your low-demand software on the A53's, and when you need a burst of high performance, you switch over to the high performance cores.
Okay also der Intel SoFIA 3GR ist der beste der 3er
hast du mir vielleicht eine gute empfehlung für ein Radio mit Intel SoFIA 3GR?
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Okay so the Intel SoFIA 3GR is the best of the 3er
Did you perhaps give me a good recommendation for a radio with Intel SoFIA 3GR?
As the title says,i got 334 K on antutu benchmark with my s10 plus snapdragon one,two weeks ago i had the exynos s10 plus and got 344 K then i switched to SD since i wanted a 7nm CPU for better performance and battery life.
Whereas i got lower numbers while all the youtube videos show average of 360 k for SD 855 s10
Am i missing something?
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Am i missing something?
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Yes, benchmarks dont matter.
If you reallly wanna know... the people who make bench mark apps can make your phone score 111,99999999 if they realllly wanted to...and if a company pays them allot of money to make thyre phone look the best on bench mark scores then they also can ie Huawei done that
my antutu score is with my G9750 368,000
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