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great job!! thanks
Superb !!
This ends many speculations and unclarities raised in the past
Great work!
Guys, what's that ATi chip in there? Does the Trinity have some sort of video acceleration?
That would be so awesome.
ATI The Imageon™ 2282
http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2282/index.html
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ATI The Imageon™ 2282
http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2282/index.html
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Thanks for the link.
Probably a real rookie question but did any of the HTC phones before Trinity/Artemis (like Wizard) have a similar ATi-made processor or is this the first?
Videos were choppy at anything above 15fps for me on the Wizard.
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Videos were choppy at anything above 15fps for me on the Wizard.
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The Wizard has a 200MHz OMAP processor. The Trinity has a 400MHz Samsung CPU.
forcedalias said:
Thanks for the link.
Probably a real rookie question but did any of the HTC phones before Trinity/Artemis (like Wizard) have a similar ATi-made processor or is this the first?
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The Wizard was very slooooow in almost everything, however it became a little beter after several ROM updates. As far as I remember the Magician had also an ATI accelerator chip. Same for the HP HX4700 PDA, which was also made by HTC. So the concept is far from new.
Radio
I've seen a post indicating that the P3600 has the same FM Radio chip as the P3300, not being an expert do these image back this up ?
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showpost.php?p=498824&postcount=63
http://www.solopalmari.com/images/stories/htc/artemis_trinity/p3600_gpsornot/msm6275b.gif
Why the hell doesn't HTC detail the capabilities with a big caveat about achievables ! People will purchase with a premise of what's going to come with a new ROM.
i didn't see FM radio chip on Trinity from motherboard pictures
sorry Guys no FM chip inside p3600, i had confirm from HTC
Can anyone confirm that the bluetooth chip is the Texas Instruments BRF6150?
I hope it is the same chip as the HTC Hermes.
Then there might come the possibility for Widcomm/Broadcomm bluetooth stack.
See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285419
XenoV said:
The Wizard was very slooooow in almost everything, however it became a little beter after several ROM updates. As far as I remember the Magician had also an ATI accelerator chip. Same for the HP HX4700 PDA, which was also made by HTC. So the concept is far from new.
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The Magician did NOT have a graphics chip, ATI or otherwise. Like you said, the concept is far from new, but has not been used very often (at least in phone edition PDAs).
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=MagicianHardwareOverview
HELP with HTC P3600 - no Switch
It`s change with a new psot
Hey there,
Was doing alot of research online about the graphic chipset from ATI on Athena but not even ATi has any infomation on their Webby.
Anyone know the specs of this w2284 chipset? Would really like to have more information on the chipset.....
Cheers
i agree with you, i tried to find info on the chipset to but i couldn't so i was like fu*k it and bought it anyways
Interesting thing, I was looking for Intel® PXA270 and found out all things are over to Marvell. Pretty confusing but ATI is just part of that chip, not a special chip
I saw some posts at the Coreplayer (comercial version of TCPMP) forum that ATI has refused to make the specs of that chip available to the Coreplayer developers, effectively crippling the chip for being used my alternative media players.
that very intersting, will i think we all need to find a player that ati likes
ATI W2284 not only for processing video and graphics, but also for handling the camera. Particularly, calculating autofocus algorithms and settings of automatic white balance are done with the help of this graphic subsystem
hmm... i think tt is known.... But if i m not wrong my old blueangel also uses ATI chipset...
problem is like example nVidia's Goforce 5500 is known to have a clock speed of 150 to 200 mhz....
how much is ATI's W2284??? Secondly does it have hardware encoding N decoding of H.264 videos??
Blah blah blah... Lots of qns left unanswered.
Anyone knows??
Cheers....
bLiTz^ said:
hmm... i think tt is known.... But if i m not wrong my old blueangel also uses ATI chipset...
problem is like example nVidia's Goforce 5500 is known to have a clock speed of 150 to 200 mhz....
how much is ATI's W2284??? Secondly does it have hardware encoding N decoding of H.264 videos??
Blah blah blah... Lots of qns left unanswered.
Anyone knows??
Cheers....
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Read here:
http://ati.amd.com/products/handheld/imageonfaq.html
http://ati.amd.com/products/imageon2282/index.html
and here:
http://ati.amd.com/products/handheld/products.html
Not very definitive I know, but never really found much else about them since last year and I believe ATI is remaining tight lipped for a reason...also not releasing info to Corecodec so they can support the chipset properly.
Notice also in the 3rd link, 2282 is listed,......but where is the mention of 2284?
I give up with ATI/AMD/Imageon....Imagine if we could get the best out of it via hardware decoding...how sweet that would be.
Just have to settle for using the Imageon driver for now, as it still yields visually better results thatn Rawframe buffer mode or direct draw and outperforms both in benchmarks fo speed.
Sorry can't help any more than that. Good luck on finding anything else useful.
no probs mackaby007......
Hmm i wonder...... mayb W2284 is actually a Modified Imageon W2282...
W2282 supports 3MP Cam.....
bLiTz^ said:
no probs mackaby007......
Hmm i wonder...... mayb W2284 is actually a Modified Imageon W2282...
W2282 supports 3MP Cam.....
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That's what I thought too.
Ive noticed a real delay between image and sound when playing some games.
Games in question are FIFA 2002 from EA Sports and also Smart Tennis from SIMBSOFT.
Did anybody noticed something similar??
Any news? I'm waiting for optimized Ati W2284 driver for HTC Athena... May be it will be supported in CorePlayer...
Any news? I'm waiting for optimized Ati W2284 driver for HTC Athena... May be it will be supported in CorePlayer...
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bLiTz^ said:
Hey there,
Was doing alot of research online about the graphic chipset from ATI on Athena but not even ATi has any infomation on their Webby.
Anyone know the specs of this w2284 chipset? Would really like to have more information on the chipset.....
Cheers
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Hey, thinks for your work.I'm sorry I don't konw how to help you.But i think it maybe like qualcomm 7200's graphics chip.because the first ppc phone base on qualcomm 7200 is kaiser/TyTN II has the same problem as our 7500 at first.but someone solved it by modfy the 7201a driver for diamond for it.and the 7200 is the first product after ati sold the handheld products to qualcomm.so i think they maybe a little like.
i'm sorry for my poor english!
Hi i like this website
i have a question for the CPU on htc shift
is possible to change my intel GMA 950 CPU to the new Intel Aton??
the intel atom is very good for the shift. this can make the battery life for 2 hour to 4 hour.
800mhz to 1.6 ghz
thx
Hi, I like the question
Actually it made me laught so much I'm going to answer.
No, you cannot change the graphic chip for a new processor. You would have no screen displaying nice lines and windows.
If you mean changing the processor by an Atom, this is not possible at all.
About getting twice the battery time, I think atom CPU don't get this anyway, so you should better look for an extended battery.
Becareful what we wish for
thaihugo said:
Hi, I like the question
Actually it made me laught so much I'm going to answer.
No, you cannot change the graphic chip for a new processor. You would have no screen displaying nice lines and windows.
If you mean changing the processor by an Atom, this is not possible at all.
About getting twice the battery time, I think atom CPU don't get this anyway, so you should better look for an extended battery.
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Bro, Intel GMA is NOT totally a Graphic Card, it is North Bridge Chipset that Control CPU, Video (PCIe or AGP), and RAM, but in this case most of Value Chipset Intel has an onboard Graphic Card
Some Notebook Value are having Graphic Card embedded in the NorthBridge Chipset, but performance Notebook do not have that, most of it are used NVidia or ATI as their VGA Card separated from NorthBridge Chipsets to gain more speed on Vector/Poygon/OpenGL/DirectX/etc
To learn more about intel 945GM, follow this link
http://www.intel.com/products/notebook/chipsets/945gm/945gm-overview.htm
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=114012&stc=1&d=1221760371
Processor Upgrade are depend to NorthBridge Chipset Compatibility
North Brodge Chipset of our SHIFT are very compatible to new processor, but perhaps the BIOS should have to be rewrite OR NOT, to understand the multiply factor and front side bus of the new CPU
this is Sony UX 280 being upgrade to Core2Duo
http://micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4641
they said that the battery life got no change at all
but the process for upgrading the CPU is as complicated as HTC universal doing the RAM upgrade, except if the slot for the CPU is using ZIF (zero insertion force) like the one that we have in our desktop motherboard
hope somebody is DARE enough to do like those guys in MicroPCTalk
In my opinion, Chipset of SHIFT do have good compatibility because it was 945series, by theory it can achieve compatibility to CoreDuo, but depend on CPU formfactor
Speed for the Processor does not imply the battery life significantly, cause most of the mobile CPU is ULV (ultra low voltage), and have the Intel Speedstep technology, that can drop down the multiplier if not being used extensively
Atom 330
ok, the initial question was not very accurate, but let's try to stick back to the topic...
Does anybody knows if there is a chance to replace stock Shift CPU with new dual core Intel Atom 330?
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/20/dual-core-atom-chips-now-shipping-from-intel/
processors fit on sockets
BGA stands for the Ball Grid Array, cause this kind processor use soldered balls instead of pins to have a contact with the motherboard.
As i know the BGA CPU used on our shift is the Intel A110 Stealey 800Mhz with 663 BGA.
I'm searching for quite a while now, and i don't see something that fits 663...
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf
Ctrl+f opens find.
Type a110, and you will get the answer you want...
945GU Express chipset, was designed for a100 and a110 processors.
You have to dig deeper on this, i guess.
regards.
zebra.belka said:
ok, the initial question was not very accurate, but let's try to stick back to the topic...
Does anybody knows if there is a chance to replace stock Shift CPU with new dual core Intel Atom 330?
http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/09/20/dual-core-atom-chips-now-shipping-from-intel/
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Almost certainly not I'm afraid. The chipset and bios likely don't support the Atom and probably never will.
In addition, it I don't think you'd see that much of an improvement in battery life even if it were possible. Look at the MSI Wind - it barely makes 2 hours on 3 cell battery.
Regards,
Dave
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Almost certainly not I'm afraid. The chipset and bios likely don't support the Atom and probably never will.
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Dave, am I right to say that our Shift got Atom A110 inside? So BIOS will probably get it, the only issue is to find something that would fit motherboard with 663 BGA.
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Dave, am I right to say that our Shift got Atom A110 inside? So BIOS will probably get it, the only issue is to find something that would fit motherboard with 663 BGA.
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No - the A110 Stealey processor is *not* an Atom
http://www.umpc.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=7&Itemid=31
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They are based on quite different architectures which leads me to believe they would not be drop in compatible in the Shift.
Regards,
Dave
nobody saw that i guess ...
vulcan_gr said:
BGA stands for the Ball Grid Array, cause this kind processor use soldered balls instead of pins to have a contact with the motherboard.
As i know the BGA CPU used on our shift is the Intel A110 Stealey 800Mhz with 663 BGA.
I'm searching for quite a while now, and i don't see something that fits 663...
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/309219.pdf
Ctrl+f opens find.
Type a110, and you will get the answer you want...
945GU Express chipset, was designed for a100 and a110 processors.
You have to dig deeper on this, i guess.
regards.
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Talking about Atom install in the shift, is talking about fitting a 45nm processor, into a 90nm socket... it just wont fit...
Different structure. Different Philosophy.
The Stealy's are not even mentioned on intels web page...
They are called A100 and A110 and there was no more evolution on the 663 BGA.
The Atom processor has μFC-BGA 479 or 478 socket...
Smaller chip... newer technology.
{The good thing if you install an atom on your shift is that you will have a lot of spare balls
(and do not try to turn it on ... if you wana keep the rest of your remaining balls ... lol )
}
regards.
Why it has to be an Atom
Why ???
we have so much more option open here, IF you are dare enough to change the CPU
because this Intel 800MHz are very poor quality, perhaps we can look over to CoreDuo
batghost said:
Why ???
we have so much more option open here, IF you are dare enough to change the CPU
because this Intel 800MHz are very poor quality, perhaps we can look over to CoreDuo
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THERE IS NO OTHER PROCESSOR MADE IN 90nm TECHNOLOGY WITH 663 BGA (pins)
NOTHING ELSE FITS THE SHIFT ! ! !
The first thing to look when you want top change the processor is to see if it fits in ...
The intel A110 (Stealy) 800Mhz and A100 600Mhz are the ONLY ONES that fit in...
It's not the end of the world though ... there are still options... if you want more batery life ... go to 600Mhz.
Square peg, round hole comes to mind!
The guys here are good! But not THAT good...
It may be possible with a dedicated achitechture interface daughterboard but the speed loss using this method would negate any gains!
Anyone?
Sadly said that you are right
vulcan_gr said:
THERE IS NO OTHER PROCESSOR MADE IN 90nm TECHNOLOGY WITH 663 BGA (pins)
NOTHING ELSE FITS THE SHIFT ! ! !
The first thing to look when you want top change the processor is to see if it fits in ...
The intel A110 (Stealy) 800Mhz and A100 600Mhz are the ONLY ONES that fit in...
It's not the end of the world though ... there are still options... if you want more batery life ... go to 600Mhz.
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Good research bro, cause i have ux280p, and i thought that good story may came up to our shift, after doing the research, it is only 100 n 110 that support our shift because of the cpu formfactor, and now Intel is leaving us ... hiks, so i think that the only possible way to improve performance is only upgrading the ram,
Maybe one day there will be another 100series come to life, but i doubt it
To use a daughterboard, maybe possible, but then we have to build another zif slot, hmmm dangerous .... hiks
...
if you can create room in the shift for that i''ll give you my car...
there is absolutelly no room in the device for such things...
it's not a desktop pc with an enormous tower...
vulcan_gr said:
if you can create room in the shift for that i''ll give you my car...
there is absolutelly no room in the device for such things...
it's not a desktop pc with an enormous tower...
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I was thinking on the lines of a pull-along kiddy-cart to carry the excess equipment in (THAT'S how serious I was thinking about it).
For the size, what it achieves and present tech vs cost, I am quite happy with what I have.
See subject line.
I need to admit, its a lot.
But, i wonder how the memory is being shared. The HD2 has 428MB of total Ram.
But 128MB is being used by the GPU. The question is, is the 428MB ram, really global ram. Or is the 128MB ram dedicated ram for the GPU ( like the 2700g has 16MB dedicated ram ).
If its global ram, then maybe its possible to reduce the ram amount to 64MB or 32MB, and use the rest for programs... So many open question, so little information about the snapdragon's design
For instance, the Toshiba TG01 & Asus F1, both have 256MB global ram. But does that mean that both companies did not report the 128MB "extra" ram, in there total like HTC does. Or does it mean, that they use a smaller part off the 256MB ram, for its GPU.
i'm hoping that its going to be in preperation for what comes with Winmo 7, perhaps gaming, maybe MS requires such a high amount of vram as a standard?
Doesn't it have 448MB? 320+128?
Dark Fire said:
Doesn't it have 448MB? 320+128?
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Yes, you are right. My bad. It's indeed 448MB.
Yeah. 448MB = 128MB dedicated video memory, plus 320MB conventional memory.
I suspect other vendors probably simply don't advertise video memory; it's also possible, of course, that they have a unified memory architecture (e.g. that the TG01 and Acer F1 use their main 256MB of regular memory to store video in); that might account for the Leo's 3D graphics benchmark scores exceeding those of the TG01.
Had been the same with the Xperia X1, there where also rumors that it does have (maybe has, don't know how to chekc this) 128 MB dedicated Video RAM. Don't care to much about it. It'll be fast enough anyway!
sthoeft said:
Had been the same with the Xperia X1, there where also rumors that it does have (maybe has, don't know how to chekc this) 128 MB dedicated Video RAM. Don't care to much about it. It'll be fast enough anyway!
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Is it even confirmed that 128 MB is indeed for VRAM, or is it just speculations so far (even though I'm inclined to think the same)?
Zhuk86 said:
i'm hoping that its going to be in preperation for what comes with Winmo 7, perhaps gaming, maybe MS requires such a high amount of vram as a standard?
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It doesn't look like it will work on WM7 !!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4802767&postcount=4
alecs said:
It doesn't look like it will work on WM7 !!!!!!
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Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
From that single post it states that WM7 needs a Tegra graphics chip... but from the release QCOM 8k also meets the requirements, and the Leo will have Snapdragon QSD8250 1 GHz processor..
Am I missing something?? it seems it should be upgradable to WM7.
alecs said:
It doesn't look like it will work on WM7 !!!!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4802767&postcount=4
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According to B3ler3fonte who gave us details about the Leo in the general thread (here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=560143&page=48) it will be compatible with winmo 7.
In order to save some answers, I am posting you a far more detailed specs of Leo, so, as u can clearly see from the specs, u’ll notice (and I think it was a question which was circulating from loads around this thread, of whether future WM7 will or will not be supported by Leo) that it will be absolutely supported. I think we should all celebrate!!
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why_999 said:
Core requirements:
Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia “Tegra” AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)
From that single post it states that WM7 needs a Tegra graphics chip... but from the release QCOM 8k also meets the requirements, and the Leo will have Snapdragon QSD8250 1 GHz processor..
Am I missing something?? it seems it should be upgradable to WM7.
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Sorry I must be missing something, from this spec list I can't see anything related to QCOM 8k ?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
alecs said:
Sorry I must be missing something, from this spec list I can't see anything related to QCOM 8k ?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2062&c=htc_hd2_us_htc_leo
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Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
why_999 said:
Qualcomm 8k = Snapdragon's QSD8xxx-series chips = Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 (which is in the Leo).. so the processor should meet WM7 chassis 1 requirement.
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Thanks Why_999 I wasn't aware that the snapdragon was Qualcomm 8k series processor.
i think it should be reserved memory actually for some sense UI things and similar stuffs . not dedicated video RAM
Isnt 128 too much just for clouds? There are 3 variants possible:
- someone was speculating with specs in his blog and the rumor broke out;
- thats for gaming purposes( see wm7);
- thats for iphone graphics emulator)))
RAM is split between ARM cores, general-purpose ARM11 and radio ARM9. Portions can be reserved for other purposes (video acceleration for one) too. Chances are there's ~256Mb of RAM accessible from OS on HD2, which is fairly reasonable, IMO. More RAM means less battery life...
It's "just" to have the 1Go needed for WinMo7... I am sure our cookers will change this to get the best of this awesome phone
Top Eight Features of Orion 1GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 Mobile Processor.
1. Five times faster in delivering 3d content , greater multimedia experience with this processor, you can play 3d games , and you can play video up to 30 frames a second and with the resolution 1080p with High definition clarity. Just imagine what will be the speed of applications used in the processor, we judge processor performance on how it renders 3d content, this orion processor has the capability to render 3d content five times the speed of previous processors.
2. 1080 High definition video encoding is available with Orion, a 1GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9
3. Faster CPU speed because this processor uses two A9 cores one with 32 kilobytes of cache and another with 32Kb instruction cache and also it has got a 1MB L2 cache helps the processor to run really fast.
4. Different types of storage options for end users.
6. GPS receiver is embedded with Orion 1GHz dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 that itself a great feature of this processor.
7. On board features are embedded in this processor for Quick Multi tasking.
8. With the help of HDMI chip 1.3a interface this processor two on device display screens with an additional display from tv or monitor.
if the gps is embedded does that mean it should have the same kind of performance as the qualcomm chips when it comes to gps?
i hope that will be the case.
Orion is Exynos now, buddy
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bobloblawsum said:
if the gps is embedded does that mean it should have the same kind of performance as the qualcomm chips when it comes to gps?
i hope that will be the case.
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It's an SoC so most of the things will be embedded.
Kelthuzar said:
1. Five times faster in delivering 3d content [ ... ], this orion processor has the capability to render 3d content five times the speed of previous processors.
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Where does that come from ? faster than which processors ?
I mean the only benchmarks I've seen so far show that depending on the situation it is either on par with the previous GPU (SGX540, adreno 205...), or slightly faster (about 20%) than the SGX540.
3. Faster CPU speed because this processor uses two A9 cores one with 32 kilobytes of cache and another with 32Kb instruction cache and also it has got a 1MB L2 cache helps the processor to run really fast.
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Nothing new here, hummingbird had the exact same amount of cache (although of course there's only one core)
7. On board features are embedded in this processor for Quick Multi tasking.
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Could you tell us more about that please ? It doesn't make any sense to me :-/
what features are embedded, and how do they improve multi tasking performance ?
8. With the help of HDMI chip 1.3a interface this processor two on device display screens with an additional display from tv or monitor.
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Same here, I know the guys from MHL said that SGS2 would have an MHL port, but do you know if we'll be able to use it out of the box, and for what content ? (videos only, or full mirroring for games etc.) thanx !
BlueScreenJunky said:
Where does that come from ? faster than which processors ?
I mean the only benchmarks I've seen so far show that depending on the situation it is either on par with the previous GPU (SGX540, adreno 205...), or slightly faster (about 20%) than the SGX540.
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At about 54:50 in the video he says the GPU is 5 times more powerful that previous application processors.
The video is from Samsung's Barcelona press conference.
http://www.samsung.com/uk/mwc/
Normal usage of the finished released product will show the real performance, benchmarks can be unreliable.
Yeah, but they don't give more information : saying "it's 5x faster" doesn't mean anything if you don't tell people how you came to that conclusion :-/
And although one benchmark on a pre-release product is not enough to say how fast a device is, from what I know I can only say that it is "somewhat faster than hummingbird", but I doubt it will be 5x faster in real life situations.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/Orion.pdf
Everything you need to know, yes I know its from 2010 but dont think anything has changed?
madpete said:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/support/brochures/downloads/systemlsi/Orion.pdf
Everything you need to know, yes I know its from 2010 but dont think anything has changed?
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First time I have seen that and I have been digging around for info, thanks!