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Noob question: TF onboard flash; included USB adapter

Hello - please excuse the noob question. I tried searching, but couldn't find anything that addressed my question specifically.
1) Is there any difference in performance between the onboard memory and the memory you put in the micro-SD slot? They're both "flash" memory right? Granted, some micro-SD cards are faster than others, so I wonder what class of flash Asus uses in the onboard memory? Would the 16GB version perform any different from the 32GB version?
2) I'm still a little confused about the box contents of the Asus TF and how to use it (I don't have one yet, hence the confusion). It seems like you get a USB cable and a wall adapter? The USB cable can be used to connect the TF to your computer for quickly transferring data. The USB cable can also be connected to the wall power adapter for charging? Is that right? But the wall adapter seems to provide more than the typical 5+ charge voltage that other generic USB power adapters provide, because the Asus wall power adapter can charge the TF in about an hour. Is any of that correct?
But the USB cable can't be used as a USB host, like for a thumb drive (for obvious reasons of not being a female connector, but even if you do the male-female conversion)?
3) I've heard of people connecting their Transformer to an external hard drive. Are they using the USB ports provided by the keyboard dock? Or is there a USB adapter out already that allows the TF to act as a USB host?
Thanks!

coachclass said:
Hello - please excuse the noob question. I tried searching, but couldn't find anything that addressed my question specifically.
1) Is there any difference in performance between the onboard memory and the memory you put in the micro-SD slot? They're both "flash" memory right? Granted, some micro-SD cards are faster than others, so I wonder what class of flash Asus uses in the onboard memory? Would the 16GB version perform any different from the 32GB version?
2) I'm still a little confused about the box contents of the Asus TF and how to use it (I don't have one yet, hence the confusion). It seems like you get a USB cable and a wall adapter? The USB cable can be used to connect the TF to your computer for quickly transferring data. The USB cable can also be connected to the wall power adapter for charging? Is that right? But the wall adapter seems to provide more than the typical 5+ charge voltage that other generic USB power adapters provide, because the Asus wall power adapter can charge the TF in about an hour. Is any of that correct?
But the USB cable can't be used as a USB host, like for a thumb drive (for obvious reasons of not being a female connector, but even if you do the male-female conversion)?
3) I've heard of people connecting their Transformer to an external hard drive. Are they using the USB ports provided by the keyboard dock? Or is there a USB adapter out already that allows the TF to act as a USB host?
Thanks!
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1) Im using a class 10 card and ive never noticed any 'lag' accessing stuff on the card rather than internal
2) Yes the USB cable supplied can either be used with the wall plug as a charger or directly to a PC for file transfer/sync. I believe people have had mixed results using a mele/female adapter. ASUS are allegedly releasing an official male/female adapter that may have more success.
3) I use an external HD with my keyboard dock. Its USB 2.0 and provides power to to the external drive just fine.
Hope this helps

wilbur-force said:
3) I use an external HD with my keyboard dock. Its USB 2.0 and provides power to to the external drive just fine.
Hope this helps
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wilbur - how are you connecting the external HD to your Asus? Via the keyboard dock? Or do you have some kind of special USB cable that connects directly to the TF?

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coachclass said:
wilbur - how are you connecting the external HD to your Asus? Via the keyboard dock? Or do you have some kind of special USB cable that connects directly to the TF?
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... with my keyboard dock ....

ok, thanks. Anyone have any word on when/if Asus will release a USB adapter for the tablet itself? I haven't come across it.

stickmount + usb flash drive

I bought a 32gb SanDisk Cruzer Fit to store my music library on, and it worked initially with USBOTG and stickmount. However, it no longer works with Nexus 7, all other memory sticks are fine, and the SanDisk works on my PC, but not the Nexus 7. Anyway, I plugged it into a USB hub and it works again, but only through the USB hub. Anyone else noticed this kind of behavior? I'm guessing it's related to power draw, as the hub is mains powered, but I'm surprised it can't cope with a flash drive. I'm now wondering whether to buy another device, or whether the same thing will happen.

I had the something similar and a reboot fixed the issue for me. I tried plugging in my 250GB WD Passport but I guess there wasn't enough power for the external drive because it kinda just sat and clicked. I then tried plugging in my 16GB thumb drive that I know worked the day before but now matter what I did, I could not get it to mount through StickMount. I rebooted the Nexus7 and I was then able to use my thumb drive again. Not exactly the same but try a reboot if you haven't already.

I also have that problem with my Buffalo USB hard drive, where it sits and clicks, it's OK via the hub, but not direct. A reboot doesn't make any difference. I'm wondering if it's my USBOTG cable, as that's the only variable, I have read that others have got the SanDisk 32gb to work with the Nexus 7. I'll try another cable...

Got my new USBOTG cable, and the Sandisk 32gb now works. My external HDD still doesn't work (unless plugged into hub), but that's not too surprising. The new cable is this:-
Afunta(tm) USB 2.0 A Female to Micro B Male Adapter Cable (search on amazon.co.uk)
The old one works with most of my USB sticks, but is maybe not as solid in terms of build quality, as the new one is much tighter. The old cable is this:-
Brand New Micro USB Host Mode OTG Cable Flash Drive SD T-Flash Card Adapter FOR Samsung GT-i9100 i9100 Galaxy S II 2 GT-N7000 Galaxy Note (search on amazon.co.uk)

Asus Vivo Smart ME400 micro-USB port

Does the Asus Vivo Smart ME400 micro-USB port support USB devices like flash drive - keyboard - mouse - HD & CD drive? If yes, where do I get the right USB adapter for it? THANKS.

z_zk_z said:
Does the Asus Vivo Smart ME400 micro-USB port support USB devices like flash drive - keyboard - mouse - HD & CD drive? If yes, where do I get the right USB adapter for it? THANKS.
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Use a regular OTG Micro USB to USB adapter

I've been testing my micro USB port with a micro USB to USB OTG cable I have.
Logitech G700 mouse works.
Kingston micro SD to USB adapter works.
Corsair Vengeance 2000 headphones works.
WD 500GB USB 3.0 hard drive works.
Samsung Ultraslim DVD drive does NOT work.
The Samsung DVD drive did work on the full sized USB port on my Samsung 500T tablet. But on the ME400, the light lights up once when I plug it in, but never installs the device and doesn't have any power afterwards. This is a USB powered DVD drive.
Surprised the external hard drive did work when the DVD drive failed. But it showed up fine, had some videos on it, was able to play videos from there okay.
I have another external DVD drive that is powered externally, I imagine that'll probably work fine, I'm too lazy to find it and plug it in (it's an old giant clunky beast).

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I have another external DVD drive that is powered externally, I imagine that'll probably work fine, I'm too lazy to find it and plug it in (it's an old giant clunky beast).
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I think the port only puts out 500ma. The DVD Drive is most likely over that. However quite a lot of modern 2.5" HDDs (your external hdd) are just below 500ma in power which is why it works.

I'll try with my Aluratek dvd writer later. It has a Y cable so may need more than 500mA.

caudex said:
I think the port only puts out 500ma. The DVD Drive is most likely over that. However quite a lot of modern 2.5" HDDs (your external hdd) are just below 500ma in power which is why it works.
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My Samsung DVD drive is powered from a single USB cable (no y splitter for extra power). So I'm guessing the micro USB port isn't even outputting 500mA. It worked fine on the Samsung Atom tablet and I doubt that USB port was outputting more than 500mA.

Guys i have this tablet for about 3 years now and now i face a problem, the tab do not charge anymore and does nothing, not even the orange light of low battery, he does give light of charging, but no life, is this a battery problem? Even if battery is dead shouldnt give life with the charging cable and turn on?

USB OTG Output current

Can anybody test the Note 3 with a USB OTG cable and external hard drives?
If you are rooted and using the app "Stickmount" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.stickmount, one should be able to mount a FAT32 partition to their phone.
If you don't want to format your hard drive to FAT32, then using the app "Paragon exFAT, NTFS & HFS+" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paragon.mounter would allow to mount another partition type.
It would be very interesting to find whether the Note 3 can provide enough power to external hard drives (portable hard drives with no included power supply) during the read and write processes.
Even though a USB 2.0 OTG cable is all that is available (to my knowledge), it would still be very useful to have the full 500mA available on the USB 2.0 portion of the Note 3 USB port.
Most smartphones have much less than 500mA on tap for the OTG connections.

I was able to connect a 500 mA (2.5" 5400 RPB SATA) from ADATA hard drive to the Note III!
Really unexpected. Connected the OTG connector first, then connected the drive to the female USB A port on the connector.
On my Note II it would try to spin up, squeal and spin down.

@Class said:
I was able to connect a 500 mA (2.5" 5400 RPB SATA) from ADATA hard drive to the Note III!
Really unexpected. Connected the OTG connector first, then connected the drive to the female USB A port on the connector.
On my Note II it would try to spin up, squeal and spin down.
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Awesome, good to hear. Have you tried large file writes and reads to and from the drive in order to see if it is able to complete a write operation? If it can handle writing a bunch of data without corruption, then it very well may have full 500mA output capability.
thanks for the report!

I was able to delete a file from a FAT32 formatted drive. No need to install anything extra. Even though there is a 4GB file size limit, FAT32 is unfortunately the only format everything can read without additional software.
Even windows can't read Ext3/4 without additional software - and the software isn't just click and install good to go.

@Class said:
I was able to delete a file from a FAT32 formatted drive. No need to install anything extra. Even though there is a 4GB file size limit, FAT32 is unfortunately the only format everything can read without additional software.
Even windows can't read Ext3/4 without additional software - and the software isn't just click and install good to go.
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Just wondering if anybody has any more info on the Note 3 output current? I hope it can power a Western Digital My Passport 2TB 3.0 as well as some DACs, such as the Musicstreamer II without providing insufficient power to those devices.

I went into a store and found that it will power a Western Digital 2tb my passport drive. It wouldn't read NTFS, so either root or exFAT may be required.

I confirm works well on my OTG usb 2.0 from S 2
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[Q] Are USB 2.0/3.0 Hubs and USB 2.0/3.0 Memory, Flash/HDD Supported?

Are USB 2.0/3.0 Hubs and USB 2.0/3.0 Memory, Flash/HDD Supported?
What fileformats are supported, what is the max. size acceptable 2TB, or more?
My ES-Explorer dif not show any external Memory (FAT and NTFS) on a hub or directly via a cable.

Update of my test results so far:
snn47 said:
Are USB 2.0/3.0 Hubs and USB 2.0/3.0 Memory, Flash/HDD Supported?
What fileformats are supported, what is the max. size acceptable 2TB, or more?
My ES-Explorer dif not show any external Memory (FAT and NTFS) on a hub or directly via a cable.
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Update of my test results so far:
I tested via an USB 3.0 OTG cable
an USB 2.0 (7 port Belkin) and 3.0 Hub (10 port Anker) with USB-Sticks USB (2.0 and 3.0) all had FAT 32,
On the Belkin a max. of 4 sticks each 128 GB could be connected and all 4 plus the internal µSDXC could be accessed now with the Samsung and the ES-Explorer = 512 GB for books, music and film were available, the negative was after 3 h 50% of the power was gone . One time only 3 sticks were detected.
On the Anker Hub only 3 of 8 connected sticks were detected.
One of the sticks is USB 3.0 but is not detected as USB 3.0 device when directly connected to the USB 3.0 OTG cable.
WTF is the USB 3.0 port good for if no USB 3.0 memory devices are detected/available on the Note as USB 3.0 device?
SInce my Note is not rooted I could not try the NTFS access.

snn47 said:
Update of my test results so far:
I tested via an USB 3.0 OTG cable
an USB 2.0 (7 port Belkin) and 3.0 Hub (10 port Anker) with USB-Sticks USB (2.0 and 3.0) all had FAT 32,
On the Belkin a max. of 4 sticks each 128 GB could be connected and all 4 plus the internal µSDXC could be accessed now with the Samsung and the ES-Explorer = 512 GB for books, music and film were available, the negative was after 3 h 50% of the power was gone . One time only 3 sticks were detected.
On the Anker Hub only 3 of 8 connected sticks were detected.
One of the sticks is USB 3.0 but is not detected as USB 3.0 device when directly connected to the USB 3.0 OTG cable.
WTF is the USB 3.0 port good for if no USB 3.0 memory devices are detected/available on the Note as USB 3.0 device?
SInce my Note is not rooted I could not try the NTFS access.
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NTFS is not supported natively... Need an app to do that...

ultramag69 said:
NTFS is not supported natively... Need an app to do that...
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Thank you, I only found ones that mention root required. Do you know of one that doesn't require root?
Do you have an idea where the natively supported filessystems/version are documented?

snn47 said:
Thank you, I only found ones that mention root required. Do you know of one that doesn't require root?
Do you have an idea where the natively supported filessystems/version are documented?
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Nope, sorry. I found out it wasn't supported by plugging in my 1Tb 2.5" HDD. Powered it noproblem but said usb blank or unsupported file system....
Have to see if I can find an app to get it working as it would definitely be a good thing to have....