I know this is an android only forum, but I have a quick question regarding android xoom vs ipad. I have only had android phones up until now, never an iphone. I played on an ipad over the last 2 days and I am wondering which would be better suited for a corporate environment? What I mean by that, is I plan on using whichever tablet I get for taking notes in meetings, adding events to my calendar quickly and other various "utilities" based applications that would come with a daily corporate life. I know the ipad has had a full year of apps being released over the android, but how long do you think the android will take to get an equivalent amount of utility based applications out? As somebody that has never owned an apple product before, should I just go with the android even though the market scene is lacking and not sure when it'll start gearing up, or should I get an ipad for my day to day use?
I am asking this here because I really wanted a xoom until I heard about the lack of applications that I could even use. The ipad was fun and has a ton of applications, but I want more of a PC like feel (which I think the xoom would give off). I have read that lots of you on here already have an ipad, of course I would wait for the ipad 2, what do you think?
schnoz said:
I know this is an android only forum, but I have a quick question regarding android xoom vs ipad. I have only had android phones up until now, never an iphone. I played on an ipad over the last 2 days and I am wondering which would be better suited for a corporate environment? What I mean by that, is I plan on using whichever tablet I get for taking notes in meetings, adding events to my calendar quickly and other various "utilities" based applications that would come with a daily corporate life. I know the ipad has had a full year of apps being released over the android, but how long do you think the android will take to get an equivalent amount of utility based applications out? As somebody that has never owned an apple product before, should I just go with the android even though the market scene is lacking and not sure when it'll start gearing up, or should I get an ipad for my day to day use?
I am asking this here because I really wanted a xoom until I heard about the lack of applications that I could even use. The ipad was fun and has a ton of applications, but I want more of a PC like feel (which I think the xoom would give off). I have read that lots of you on here already have an ipad, of course I would wait for the ipad 2, what do you think?
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I would wait for what the ipad2 is going to offer and also see if the xoom gets any updates while you waiting for ipad2 launch. I think this will give you a couple months to decide if you have that much time. Are you needing things like coporate sync and exchange too?
Yes. Both. It would be nice to sync up with my Google stuff, but I honestly don't use it that much. I would probably use that stuff more if I had an android tablet. I just really don't like the idea of having everything go through iTunes. But if the IPad would work better for what I need, I guess that is something I would have to overcome.
One thing we are playing with in the office is Citrix receiver for Android. I am using it on my Droid X and in a pinch its great to get me Remote Desktop to my servers and the app from what I have seen is on both platforms so if you have Citrix I would look into that. There are other solutions such as logmein etc. One thing we are patiently waiting to see if it will work is using the HDMI dock connected to a monitor and the BT KB and using it that way. I would love to see some sort of mouse support added similar to what the Atrix is going to offer. I think accessories will be the driving factor in the future of either. Not a real definitive answer but its ideas we are kicking around hope they help.
Citrix admin here... we have been standing up a LOT of senior management on the mobile receiver so it was the first thing I tested on my Xoom. Unfortunately it crashes every time you try to connect I emailed the Citrix receiver product manager already to ask him what's up.
Good luck if your corporate environent uses Proxy and MS Exchange. We've been trying lots of different Android devices (still waiting on the Xoom). The only thing that has worked somewhat consistently is my G-Tablet running a custom rom.
Unless 3.0 has change things, I suspect Android tablets are still not very corporate friendly.
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Good luck if your corporate environent uses Proxy and MS Exchange. We've been trying lots of different Android devices (still waiting on the Xoom). The only thing that has worked somewhat consistently is my G-Tablet running a custom rom.
Unless 3.0 has change things, I suspect Android tablets are still not very corporate friendly.
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What exactly have you had trouble with? I've got over a dozen Android devices synced without any issues (other than the initial sync with Droids) in our Exchange environment.
I also synced the Xoom as I walked out of the VZ store without any hiccups whatsoever.
There's a new updated rolling out right now. This is the second update this month. Amazon's software page says the update contains “minor bug fixes and performance improvement.”
Fire TV version 51.1.6.1_user_516010220 - Download Link
Fire TV Stick version 54.1.2.1_user_121065320 - Download Link Unknown
Attention @rbox
Like I said on your site, any update that is running Android 4.2.2 is a major fail. Regardless of how many features are added to the updates they will all be worthless til they upgrade the OS to 4.4+. The features they have added are not good anyway.
Just my opinion though. If I want to shop on Amazon I will go to the actual site and shop, so all of the Amazon features that pertain to shopping Amazon are 100% worthless to me. Also, not one time have I ever used voice search on the Fire TV, so all of the voice search features are also worthless to me. I honestly think th ebest feature that has ben added to an update has been the clock menu, but I rarely even use that feature. I could honestly care less about more superficial features, I just want a more compatible Fire TV and that will only be possible when Amazon upgrades the Android version to at least 4.4. I do not care how many voice search features they add or how many more fire launcher catogories they add, I just want to be able to use the same apps I was using six months ago on the Fire TV that i can no longer use because they now require Android 4.4. I love the Fire TV, but there is absolutely no excuse for why I lost compatibility with over twenty apps in the past four months. Step it up Amazon, cause I am tired of losing compatibility with apps that worked perfectly before. I had my Fire TV's setup the way I wanted with apps that I have used for years on all of my devicess, but Amazon's unwillingness to keep the Fire TV up to date has ruined that.
wth are you even complaining about? my AFTV works fine.
mine works fine
mine works fine. If kodi works. the value is great. the only reason I would replace the firetv would be for 4k. but then again I'd have to buy a 4k TV and a 4k bose lifestyle 535 which does not support 4k yet.
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Like I said on your site, any update that is running Android 4.2.2 is a major fail. Regardless of how many features are added to the updates they will all be worthless til they upgrade the OS to 4.4+. The features they have added are not good anyway. [...] I could honestly care less about more superficial features, I just want a more compatible Fire TV and that will only be possible when Amazon upgrades the Android version to at least 4.4. I do not care how many voice search features they add or how many more fire launcher catogories they add, I just want to be able to use the same apps I was using six months ago on the Fire TV that i can no longer use because they now require Android 4.4.
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Well it's fair that you might not care for new features. I don't use many of them, I don't even use voice search, but it makes sense that other people care about them and they could even be selling points.
However, I'm really curious what apps you're using that have cut off compatibility with 4.2? As of last month 4.2 was the second most used API version, at 17.5% of the market share. I have to say, if apps that used to support 4.2 no longer do, it's the developer's decision, and it seems like a bad one in my opinion. At any rate, while it'd be nice to get an update to KitKat or Lollipop, it's safer to assume that especially highly modified forks of Android such as Fire OS will take longer to update and to reach first gen hardware. I can't really fault Amazon for what I still consider to be the best Android-based streaming media device at its price point.
Android 4.2.2 being populr has nothing to do with anything. Toyota overtook Chevrolet as having the most popular car in the US, but people soon found out that Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles were death traps. Beings popular mens nothing. Also I was not complining, I was stating facts. 4.2.2 is on its last legs. Not everyone uses their Fire TV simply for Kodi, I use my Fire TV for a lot of things, so its important for the OS to stay up to date because of compatibility issues. This happens on all devices, but with the Fire TV we have no choice but to be stuck with Jellybean. If it wwere Windows, Linux, IOS etc we cold jusst update but with the Fire TV we are stuck with whatever Amazon gives us, which is fine, but they need to realize that the Fire TV needs to be up to date.
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Android 4.2.2 being populr has nothing to do with anything. Toyota overtook Chevrolet as having the most popular car in the US, but people soon found out that Toyota/Lexus/Scion vehicles were death traps. Beings popular mens nothing. Also I was not complining, I was stating facts. 4.2.2 is on its last legs. Not everyone uses their Fire TV simply for Kodi, I use my Fire TV for a lot of things, so its important for the OS to stay up to date because of compatibility issues. This happens on all devices, but with the Fire TV we have no choice but to be stuck with Jellybean. If it wwere Windows, Linux, IOS etc we cold jusst update but with the Fire TV we are stuck with whatever Amazon gives us, which is fine, but they need to realize that the Fire TV needs to be up to date.
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why does it need to be up to date though with the latest LP build....?
Your response to the questions asked of your first post seemed to have been answered with generalisations and vagueness. I do not see, in the context of the AFTV, that JB is on its last legs at all nor that the update, based on 4.2.2 is a major fail. It meets the needs of what Amazon wanted from its device and also meets my own needs when using Kodi, which it was not designed to do but does it for me very well.
Great news that Amazon is still pushing out updates and my AFTV continues to performs very well, since version 15 of Kodi has been released it seems even more responsive, might be just a placebo effect though...?
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why does it need to be up to date though with the latest LP build....?
Your response to the questions asked of your first post seemed to have been answered with generalisations and vagueness. I do not see, in the context of the AFTV, that JB is on its last legs at all nor that the update, based on 4.2.2 is a major fail. It meets the needs of what Amazon wanted from its device and also meets my own needs when using Kodi, which it was not designed to do but does it for me very well.
Great news that Amazon is still pushing out updates and my AFTV continues to performs very well, since version 15 of Kodi has been released it seems even more responsive, might be just a placebo effect though...?
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A device performing well has nothing to do with it. I can install Windows 95 on an old laptop and it will perform well. The Fire TV is more than just a device for running Kodi. I use the Fire TV as it was meant to be used and not just to steal free streams from Kodi. I do use Kodi, but the Fire TV does way more than run Kodi.
Also Amazon has even lost native Fire TV apps because they started requiring Android 4.4, so anyone that says compatibility issues are not an issue, knows very little. It will keep gettin worse, cause everyone is starting to require Android 4.4. For some reason in the past six or so months companies have wanted to keep their apps fresh and only running on the latest software. This is the first time I have seen so many apps require such a new version of Android. Its not Amazons fault, but they need to realize that everyone is moving to newer software and they need to as well. I think all of the companies that make android devices have finally realized that the Apple way may be the best. Apple keeps every device up to date then drops support for devices after a couple years so that people will have to get the newer version. Like when the iphone 4 came out, Apple basically took every ios device from two years before and dropped support for all of them forcing people to buy the new one. It seems like thats where Android is headed in terms of software updates. Google has already basically ordered companies to stop putting SD Card slots and removable batteries on phones, so its clear they are trying to make Android devices be more like the iphone, so why not also copy the way Apple updates their devices as well. The Fire TV does need to be upgraded to Android 4.4+, cause it cannot be used to it full potential running Jellybean. Sure it can run a lot of apps, but as time goes by less and less apps will be compatible.
Its crazy that Apple has one device that outsells over 200 Android devices by itself, but its little things like software updates that tell me exactly why the iphone has a lock on the industry. Android is barely the market share leader, but the chart is extremely laughable, cause ios has three devices on the chart and every Android device combined isn't even outselling three Apple devices by a whole percentage point. Updates were the worst part of windows mobile devices and I believe that having no kind of structured upgrade system for Android devices, is one of the major drawbacks of Android devices, cause its like having windows mobile all over again. Just browse through XDA and you will see thousands of threads where people are compaining that their device came out a month before but the newer device got the upgrade first and so on. Androids major flaw is no structured upgrade system. But like I said above, I believe that is where Google will take Android and have some kind of upgrade system like Apple does with their devices.
That the good thing about Apple, if you have newer Apple devics all of them will get the same major update at the same time. Android needs to catch up.
quote " I use the Fire TV as it was meant to be used"
lol! listen to yourself, you clearly do NOT. Why do you keep contradicting yourself?
Now cut the bs and answer the question, what twenty apps have you lost compability with?
You my friend is what is called a freaking uber troll.
The only thing I see this streaming box (yes its meant for steaming and casual gaming, NOT running productivity apps) could gain from lollipop is clearly 24p and the autoswitch of refresh rate to match the video.
Do you have an older Android device? If yes, do you still use it in any way? ?, Share your story here.
Android OS is dynamic (I'd say unstable ?). The device you are buying today might become older enough in a couple of months in terms of the Android version. However if you're lucky to have a truly rich and supporting community, your device will be alive for an eternity.
In the revolution of Android ecosystem, you would possibly like to upgrade your device after major Android updates. Or you have to be satisfied and hanker after the newer Android features otherwise.
Now it's time to share mine ?. I got a local, cheap Jellybean device, when I was introduced to Android in early 2014. Now I have still that Android 4.2 device which I love more than the prettier material design or even the notification dots and others.
I have been using that device for my development purpose for a long time alongside my primary device. As I used it in my first step to Android root, mods, hacking and the system insight. I still remember the day I got this device into bootloop for the first time ?. Those days have passed away.
Now I am learning and developing Android apps. Since my laptop is even smaller than its small configuration (? You can call me a poor guy), it is quite impossible to test and debug apps on Android emulator while running Android studio in parallel with 4GB of RAM and i5. So, I started using my old friend as a helping hand in development. I keep it connected via USB while developing my apps, run and test them with it which frees nearly 700MB of RAM on my tiny machine and boost the build time also. For other Android versions, I have to do them on emulator separately ?.
What you're thinking of me I don't care ?. The phone is much more to me. Feel free to share yours...
What is your phone name and model?
Have you installed a custom rom on it yet?
What are your apps which you have developed?
Hello, I will start by admitting that I'm currently incarcerated in prison and using a jail broken tablet provided by a monopolized company called Jpay/Secures. I'm new to XDA and have joined in hopes of obtaining useful knowledge without being judged for being an inmate. We currently have two different types of clear plastic Android tablets available to us. The original model is a JP5 , a 7" tablet running 4.2.2 with an inmate safe software package running overtop of the original version of Android. Then we have a newer tablet offered for free to us , a JP6 also with a 7" screen. The jp6 is running android 8.1 with a more secure security blanket overtop. We have yet to jailbreak the jp6 , at least at this institution. A different institution may have accomplished this task, but I highly doubt it. I have been to an few different prisons so far ( my first and only bid) and this is the only one I've been to with jail broken tablets. These tablets have an apk called WiFi connection manager on the first files sent over when jailbreaking. The only way we can have Internet access is by using a mobile hotspot from someons cellphone. This is a problem because cellphones are illegal and don't have a long shelf life in prison. They are hunted every minute of the day by the cops. So without a cellphone we have no internet. However, I had a quick thought and figured it merited a post to see if it could be possible. I would like to purchase a mobile hot spot device like a Verizon MiFi 8800 and dismantle is and physically install it inside the tablet. Have it wired in to where it would charge when the tablet was charging and I could simply pay the montly service for it. We have accomplished some pretty interesting feats so far, IE; double batteries, body transplant from jp5 to jp6. I feel pretty confident that if it could be done, that in could accomplishe the goal in here. Please let me know if any information is available somewhere online or if anyone has any ideas! I greatly appreciate any help. Not that this matters, but I'm incarcerated for a armed burglary charge, I didn't want anyone to think they were helping a chomo. Again, thank you very much in advance. -M-
Built in obsolescence.
The day has arrived when I will have to ditch my Amazon Firetv 2nd gen, I have been notified by NordVPN that they will stop supporting Android 5
during April & May depending on the version of NordVPN. As the latest version that works on The Firetv is 4.12.8 I am in the unlucky category as anything above 4.12.8 is Android 6 support only.
Its been a great box to have with all the support of members here, including the release of the boot loader unlock, it seems a shame to throw a perfectly good item in the bin but I suppose that is progress.
At least I have an H96 Max+ to fall back on but the Firetv has a better picture quality and is more responsive and, lets be honest, has a certain sentimental attachment.
So anyone running NordVPN who wishes to check their position check here:
Code:
https://support.nordvpn.com/General-info/1805184652/Old-versions-of-NordVPN-will-stop-working.htm
Don't know the specs but has it not been surpassed by even the Firesticks by now? Go pick up a 4k (not max) from Best Buy for 30 bucks, unlock & root it, etc... Do it while we still can.