I went to see my Spine Surgeon today ( I have a really bad back and need a 2nd Spinal Fusion, Facet Joints this time, I take Percocet 10/325 and HydroMorphone 4mg for Pain). Any ways when I was done and leaving I over heard my Dr. talking to another Dr. about the Motorola Xoom and how he would like one to replace his laptop and the the iPad 2 was out of the question (as he has a Droid X and liked Android). As it happened I had my Xoom with me (I take it everywhere with me and showed it to him and he was VERY impressed and said this is what he was/is looking for. He asked about Google Voice (as that's important for him and I said it will be coming). I explained how Honeycomb was a new OS and needed sometime to grow and he understood and said he did not like iOS. I showed him Evernote and used it with my Stylus Pen and he said he would get one later today
If Dr.s start seeing an advantage of the Xoom/Honeycomb over iPad/iOS, Honeycomb will make a big splash. I also showed his nurse Toy Story 3 and Avatar (Blu-Ray) and she was sold as well.
The Dr. he was talking to asked me if I had Rooted yet ( he obviously knows what's going on and I said No as I had not seen any ROM's worth Rooting for yet) and that the only reason for me to root so far is to Overclock to 1.5ghz. I told him that the SDK or AOSP for Honeycomb had not been released yet but when it does I will definitely Root and start Flashing ROM's/Kernel's. I showed them my Rooted HTC EVO and how I was using it as a Wireless Hotspot (in the Hospital) and they were really impressed.
Suffice it to say but if Dr's are starting to hear about the Xoom/Honeycomb it has major potential (especially in that area). I told him about the HTC Flyer and that it may be worth looking at as well as it may be more to his liking. I told him it was only 7" but he liked the 10" form factor and wanted to replace his laptop and use it while talking with patients
if he has the income, he could probably get them all XD
As great as the Xoom is and the I pad, hospitals will take a while to get behind it due to security. Drs can store Protected Health Information on the device and run the risk or a data breech if lost ormaliciuos software allows access.
At my org there has been talk about the Playbook due to it being on a blackberry platform, but the pressure is out there for them to allow droid and apple tablets which they are trying to delay implimenting.
By the way...I carry my Xoom with me at my hospital and get lots of questions from the docs, butuse it primarily for school so its not on our network
A 2nd fusion - wow. That sucks. I hope this one gets you all set.
We need more folks in the professional sphere to start touting the benefits of android. That will come with time though - apple effectively has a head start on the whole tablet thing, just as it did with popularizing the smart phone, but it won't last. I see android tablets taking this market over as well - once two or three iterations of hardware and software occur.
You DID show him Google Body, didn't you??
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A 2nd fusion - wow. That sucks. I hope this one gets you all set.
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Me too bro, me too. Right now I am on Percocet 10/325 and HydroMorphone 4mg (4x a day) and that stuff is VERY, VERY, Strong. The HydroMorphone is 4x more powerful than Morphine. They are going to Fuse my Facet Joints as they have become loose and Arthritic
As a PA for an orthopaedic surgeon I use my xoom a lot. Rdp to our office emr is a snap. The battery life is way better than our office tablet laptops. In fact....just before surgery he asked if I could pull up the office charts on a patient we were getting ready to do surgery on.....I trurned on the EVO hot spot and (I have the wifi only model) I had the chart up in a minute. I don't like ios. He is a Mac guy but I'm slowly winning him over. Its gonna take time but I can tell you after booting the iPhone / ios ill never go back for our needs. I can send scripts to pharmacies, check patient charts ( hospital system and office emr) with the click of three buttons.
Android kills.
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Well I am primary in commerical real estate investing but I also own som retail businesses and I have replaced my laptop with my xoom. So far so good. My biggest complaints are that the office programs are not robust enough, especially on the spreadsheet side (I have quickoffice hd and docs to go full). Also, I think google needs a builtin file manager for the tablet os (one more reason not to have one os for all android devices). Google needs to treat the tablet like a netbook and not like a big phone (like apple does with the ipad).
The portablility is awesome and the beats carrying my laptop around or reading docs and spreadsheets on my epic and blackberry. Basically when need I need to create a spreadsheet or scan something I hope on one of the desktops at the office. Otherwise its zoom. Plus with google cloud print I can even print from the xoom!
Overall its getting there. Make the tablet a laptop replacement not some cool extra toy like the ipad and google will completely capture the business market.
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Should have told him you can use Google Voice but you just need to install the apk.
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As great as the Xoom is and the I pad, hospitals will take a while to get behind it due to security. Drs can store Protected Health Information on the device and run the risk or a data breech if lost ormaliciuos software allows access.
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Fortunately Honeycomb supports encrypted the storage drive so that should not be that big of a problem for Android
Cool Story bro!
Now we just need more tablet compatible apps.
If Google wants to sell its OS to doctors, they really need to come out with some special medicine oriented apps/s. I'm not talking about apps from users or small companies, I am talking about official Google apps like Body.
bet he just wants it for Google Body - https://market.android.com/details?id=com.google.android.apps.body&feature=search_result
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As great as the Xoom is and the I pad, hospitals will take a while to get behind it due to security. Drs can store Protected Health Information on the device and run the risk or a data breech if lost ormaliciuos software allows access.
At my org there has been talk about the Playbook due to it being on a blackberry platform, but the pressure is out there for them to allow droid and apple tablets which they are trying to delay implimenting.
By the way...I carry my Xoom with me at my hospital and get lots of questions from the docs, butuse it primarily for school so its not on our network
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More than likely, they will be using some manner of client/server situation, where the patient data is centralized, and the client just being a dumb terminal. Only have to worry about access control, since no critical data would be stored locally.
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More than likely, they will be using some manner of client/server situation, where the patient data is centralized, and the client just being a dumb terminal. Only have to worry about access control, since no critical data would be stored locally.
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my thoughts too
you'd not want any data stored on the device - only apps/whatever to get at the data remotely.
problem is you'd then need wifi to corporate network and that may be a big security no-no in some places, unless a vpn solution is incorporated...
It will be interesting to see "what's next" in this field...as governemnt regulations on protecting data become more and more intesne. Client/Server seems to be the best scenario currently through a secured connection.
If someone could build a better mousetrap the market is wide open! It will be interesting to see how the Playbook fairs....could it revive the brand?
As for the Xoom --- love the size of it...cannot wait until I get a good portfolio for it to make carrying around inconspicious! I plan on phasing this in to take the place of my notepad.
lenovo is a great company and their tablets have competitive specs. why do their tablets have such little dev support compared to the other major android tablets?
I ask because the lenovo tablets coming out this year look very nice, but I hesitate to buy a tablet that won't have good dev support.
I'm on the same boat man. I got the tablet as a christmas wish from my gf... now I found out from timmyDean and other sources that the K1 will not have its bootloader unlocked. Not sure if there will be a way to hack it anytime soon.
I'm going to see if I can sell this thing to buy a transformer prime. Ill be calling lenovo to express my concerns as well. I have a laptop from them with high DPC Latency. Sent it in and came back with same problem and a wiped system with an extra partition.
No more lenovo for me.
If someone somehow manages to hack this thing, then I guess I'll keep it. For now I'm planning its resale value to pick up a different brand.
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lenovo is a great company and their tablets have competitive specs. why do their tablets have such little dev support compared to the other major android tablets?
I ask because the lenovo tablets coming out this year look very nice, but I hesitate to buy a tablet that won't have good dev support.
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I can give you my opinion. We develop software for commercial clients and government and we write drivers for these devices. Unfortunately, most of our business clients want an application that cannot be removed by employees and has all the social networking stuff removed. My NDA does not allow me to say exactly what. But, let me give you an example: Lets say a hospital was looking for a hand held device for reading and signing medical records with an interface to medical equipment. Or traveling salesmen, a delivery driver having someone sign for a package. An application you load on your teenagers device to determine how fast they are moving, etc. Anyway, the list goes on and this is just the business side of it. But you get the picture.
Now, I have a real business need to root every tablet on the market therefore I can tell whomever buys our application that they can buy any tablet they want. Some applications only require root so we can install it so it cannot be removed and we delete the stuff the company doesn't want employees using (like Netflx, Facebook, etc). Or, if the software needs to interface with a particular piece of hardware, we flash a new ROM with custom hardware drivers in the kernel to interface with a particular piece of medical equipment.
So, myself along with other programmers working the business side of it stay away from Lenovo because from the start they lock the bootloader making it difficult to develop for. So we tell ever business to stay away from them.
Then you have individuals like myself that program on their own and I want to tweak something myself. So, when I look around for a tablet to develop on, I look for one that makes it easy to flash(or root). For example, currently my favorite is Motorola Xoom (not the FE) because you can simply unlock it.
So, everyone I know writing business applications stays away from Lenovo or anyone looking to develop a custom ROM as well. Lenovo did come in and meet with management, last year, and what they wanted to sell us was a custom solution. So, they were more than happy to work with us to build a solution. But, we cannot sell something and then tell the buyer that they have to buy a special tablet from Lenovo.
story:
So, what started all this for us, was we were working on a big sale to a Fortune 500 Insurance company and they wanted to use Lenovo. Their IT person loved them. Management in a haste, bought me a K1 to load and play with (mostly because it was cheaper than the TPT or ignorance I guess). So, when I got it, I loved it. And at first it was unlocked. Then the real horror started.
I told management how great the K1 was and within days we had the K1 loaded with the insurance application. They came in, we sold them, I got a bonus and life was good. Then we took an OTA, and the Insurance company started ordering K1's and TPT and to our surprise NOTHING WORKED because Lenovo went to a locked bootloader (Note: The org K1 had root(#) access by default when you connect to it via adb shell and we had not tested it on the TPT).
As you can imagine all hell broke loose. That's when we discovered Lenovo's position on things. During the meeting, I asked them why they locked it. They replied, because they are offering a consumer solution with the K1. It is not just hardware but software (in other words they want to make money off all the bloatware they load) and that the TPT was their business solution. If we partnered with them, we could do what we wanted on a secure platform (then they went on and on about how we really need their solution because you cannot root it, it's secure, blah blah blah).
Anyway, I had to fly out (along with the suits) to the insurance company. I personally meet with their CIO and convinced her that 'Lenovo' could NOT be trusted and if she insisted on using the TPT that we would now have our hands tied to Lenovo. I showed her several other tablets that were just as good and cheaper. She put a pencil to it and realized that she could be the hero here saving the company money. So, she kissed Lenovo good buy and went with another tablet.
Anyway, my story, take with it what you want.
TD
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Let me further add something. A Kindle Fire is a great little tablet, but it is designed specifically to access Amazon. It is an extension of Amazon's business. There are others too. But, the Kindle is the most known.
So, these are NOT really tablets being designed to run everything. They are designed to sell services. For example, the Kindle Fire is to sell and expand Amazon services.
The Lenovo products are the same thing. They are designed to expand Lenovo's services. They want you coming to their Marketplace, using their services. In other words, they want to make money not only off selling the hardware, they want to make money off the software and services.
You can read some articles on the net about company's saying there's no money in hardware sales. This is why HP stopped making tablets and wants to become a software solution provider. This is what Lenovo is trying to do. If they sell you a tablet and make $10 profit it's not the same as $10 plus another $30 for applications you use.
That's what's going on here. It's not that they are evil not wanting you to brick your device, void your warranty, and then you want them to fix it. They are going after the services and they believe that's where the money is. Locking the boatloader is just their attempt to keep you locked into their services.
History lesson: If you believe you should learn from history then if you go back to the late 70's and early 80's, you will see the same thing. If you had bought brand xyz then you had to only buy xyz's printer, if you wanted to print. I remember buying floppy disks just to find out that they weren't compatible. Can you imagine that happening today? You buy a blank thumb drive and discover it doesn't work on your Lenovo, it only works on HP.
What changed all this was MS. So, if you're a believer in history repeating itself then Windows 8 will revolutionize the tablet and phone market. Google has realized the threat and is why they are pushing ICS and trying to stop the fragmentation. However, this does not stop Lenovo locking the bootloader and forcing you to go to their Marketplace. However, under Windows 8 this is going to be harder to do.
TD
I've got a TPT, got it for free from Lenovo, but it doesn't force you to go to Lenovo's market, essentially you can uninstall it and just use the regular market.
That being said, even with the optional external keyboard (that rocks), I mainly use my Samsung Galaxy from work, since I have it rooted and can do what I want with it.
And really not being able to root the TPT is why I'm glad I didn't actually buy it. I definitely wouldn't buy a tablet that I can't root.
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well locked bootloader is a deal breaker. too bad lenovo, you won't get my business. it's a shame, they looked great.
I have the TPT since September now. I have HTC's Sensation as my phone. I have root and a custom rom on my Sensation. So I do know the advantages.
I don't really miss root on my Tablet. Most apps don't need root. One thing that requires root I miss though. Titanium Backup or some other backup-solution. I just don't get why Lenovo does not provide one. Besides Adblock and Titanium Backup I can't think of any other program that requires root, that would provide any real advantage in using my tablet.
It is actualy quite good not too have root and custom ROM's. I'm a kid at heart and I put on new ROMs on my phone like I put on new clothes...
PS: You can lock down the tablet for users with the Mobility Manager. Just google for it.
Awesome post by jimmyDean.
I have a Thinkpad and that post explains alot of how Lenovo is thinking. Its a shame since the Thinkpad can be one great device with its digitizer and stylus if it wasn't so locked down. I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and accept that they won't change their position.
It will be the last Lenovo I will own though that's for sure.
TS
Very good read read. Disheartening, to say the least. I really like my TPT, but my next tablet will be either a transformer prime or the next nice sized tablet to offer an integrated pen solution with Tegra3. I wont swear off Thinkpad notebooks though, my x220 is a BEAST, and I have been using Thinkpads since my parents got me an IBM T61 in college.
But yeah, tablets from Lenovo is out of the question. Its a shame though, I don't think they've realized they've doomed their fate in the consumer tablet market. Sony realized this and righted the ship in 2011 line of devices. One can only hope that Lenovo smells the coffee and wakes up.
I hate to be the dissenter but all of these companies are out to make money and while Lenovo's model (and amazon's, barnes and noble's, apple's, etc, PS3/Xbox/Wii's, etc.) is a bit duplicitous but it isn't out of the norm. I'd love to have a transformer or a xoom with an unlocked bootloader but I've never seen those anywhere near the $250 I picked up the K1 for. I'm not saying I'm going to support that business model but I will use it to my own advantage (ie, pick up the device on the cheap and find a way to do what I want while paying as little as possible). Lenovo will likely have to shift out of this model because there's no reason to use their market instead of the android one and they have nowhere near the sort of exclusive content that the others using this model have.
The Nook Color was a shining exception, both cheap and completely unprotected but B&N corrected that mistake in the Nook Tablet that replaced it.
In the end, we have to decide if we're willing to pay more to leave the walled garden. Given how US consumers have condemned themselves to it in the console gaming and cellular phone markets (both in choosing the iphone and in long contracts for free phones), it's not that clear that they won't choose to give up control in order to pay less upfront.
Wow thanks timmyDean, that clarified a lot of things... I'm going to need a tablet with a decent stylus soon, and I've been looking at TPT for some time now... but root is also very important to me, already because I don't trust Lenovo to bring OTA ICS update for it... I think I'll tough it out with my old tablet PC until something better comes along. HTC flyer is just too small (and with old android).
Anyway, I've been hearing some rumors that Samsung might come up with a stylus solution (S-Pen) in the next Galaxy Tab, perhaps in the MWC 2012 in at the end of february. It's the same tech as in the new Galaxy Note. Hopefully it's also a 12" tablet! It's interesting to note that Sammy's allied with Wacom, while TPT and Flyer use n-trig.
IfIf you ask me. this is the best Android tablet on the market. I took chance and sold my galaxy tab 10.1 and have had nothing but positiv things to say. Love the stylus and once you pick up the MyScript app, this is just perfect! All other tablets feel like toys compared to thrsp
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IfIf you ask me. this is the best Android tablet on the market. I took chance and sold my galaxy tab 10.1 and have had nothing but positiv things to say. Love the stylus and once you pick up the MyScript app, this is just perfect! All other tablets feel like toys compared to thrsp
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I didn't get the thinkpad tablet, but the ideapad K1. For the price I got it at, US$400 for 3G version, it was a good US$150 cheaper than the nearest similarly speced 3G android. For the price, no complaints!
Next up, unlocked bootloader please!
I'm working in Marketing and was looking into tablet devices for eDetailing for our company. I personally compared every Android device that was available in our country: Motorola Xoom, Acer Iconia A500, ASUS Transformer, Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 and also Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet. I was very eager to get my hands on the Thinkpad Tablet, as connectivity (USB host etc) and the digitizer seemed like a huge advantage. But soon, I was very disappointed; in comparison to the other tablets, there are some MAJOR shortcomings:
- software: the firmware is buggy and seems unfinished
- performance: the TPT clearly reacts slower to input than other tablets; this seems to be confirmed in benchmarks
- locked bootkloader: that was the death blow! I don't blame Lenovo that the Citrix Receiver won't accept "untrusted" certificates. However, installing missing certificates is just one of the many things I expect from a decent device; there's plenty of other good reasons you need root access and it was a "must have"
As Lenovo has only delivered minor firmware updates that don't really address the issues mentioned above, I have abandoned the device completely.
Root has just been received and we are just verifying it over in the ThinkpadTablet forums. There should be a instructions for it soon enough. Hang tight.
btw the bounty is now up to $800
TS
With root on the way....
Bootloader also unlocked?
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When Root is enabeled i try to write a script to remove all the bloatware stuff
theoilman said:
lenovo is a great company and their tablets have competitive specs. why do their tablets have such little dev support compared to the other major android tablets?
I ask because the lenovo tablets coming out this year look very nice, but I hesitate to buy a tablet that won't have good dev support.
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Great company? Perhaps in the past. Lenovo support issued a statement, that the tablet does not have a locked bootloader. Once the device was rooted, writing recovery was as simple as having write access to the partition. The locking of nvflash was a **** move however (as the only external interface to the bootloader), and since they would not provide tools to provide the needed functionality, the bootloader was for all intents and purposes locked. Additionally, since IBM sold the thinkpad brand to lenovo, their support response and turnaround is nightmarish. The organization I work for purchased 10 thinkpad tablets for our desktop technicians to use in the field. 6 had the charging/data usb port break within 2 months. I purchased a thinkpad tablet prior to the organizations purchase for personal use, and within 30 days, my port stopped connecting via data. It took numerous phone calls and a few weeks to get lenovo to repair the device under warranty, and then an additional 27 days to actually get the tablet repaired and returned. The tablets for the organization endured similar rigmarole, with only a 2 week difference in repair turnaround. Reports all over the thinkpad and lenovo forums report similar stories. It seems only recently that lenovo has even decided to acknowledge the defective usb port as a manufacturers defect. I don't know what happened to the company, but the shady support statements combine with customer unfriendly technical support has ensured that both my organization and myself will not be doing future business with them.
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IfIf you ask me. this is the best Android tablet on the market. I took chance and sold my galaxy tab 10.1 and have had nothing but positiv things to say. Love the stylus and once you pick up the MyScript app, this is just perfect! All other tablets feel like toys compared to thrsp
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That might be true once custom firmwares start rolling out. As it stands, in the same class, the thinkpad is a hardcore underachiever compared to almost every other tegra 2 tablet on the market. The ntrig digitizer is also the reason I put up with the sluggish buggy behavior. Luckily with root, one can hope these problems can be fixed. However without kernel source, we may be limited to honeycomb in order to keep full hardware functionality. Thats also not to say that a poorly configured kernel or bad drivers aren't part of the reason for the periodic lag, touch issues, and general poor performance.
Can someone clarify on the bootloader/nvflash issue?
Is the bootloader locked or not, and if not, can we now put custom ROMs on it or not?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1231771
From this we can see that ThinkPad Tablet's bootloader ISN'T locked.
Nice. So who will be first to build an ICS ROM?
I'm going to try
Without root, can I make a backup, that will allow me to restore to a previous point in time? That means my apps and their data, and my customizations. That means NOT OTA to some pirate's server.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
Without root, can I make a backup, that will allow me to restore to a previous point in time? That means my apps and their data, and my customizations. That means NOT OTA to some pirate's server.
Thanks!
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Without root, you can't backup system apps and data. You can backup user apps and data. In fact...Google will do it for you by having Google backup your app data (since Google Play already has the apps). Settings-General-Backup
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Without root, you can't backup system apps and data. You can backup user apps and data. In fact...Google will do it for you by having Google backup your app data (since Google Play already has the apps). Settings-General-Backup
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How do I determine exactly which are user apps and data, and which are system apps and data? I would envision:
1. I could restore any apps and data that didn't come with the phone.
2. Not restored would be shortcuts created, screen organization, customized wall papers, custom widgets, settings for WiFi, POP, IMAP, or Exchange E-Mail accounts, SMS/MMS messages, and any changes made in the phone's Settings from factory defaults.
I would also assume that programs such as Holo and Helium leverage the same underlying technology with the option of doing it locally.
Thanks!
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How do I determine exactly which are user apps and data, and which are system apps and data? I would envision:
1. I could restore any apps and data that didn't come with the phone.
2. Not restored would be shortcuts created, screen organization, customized wall papers, custom widgets, settings for WiFi, POP, IMAP, or Exchange E-Mail accounts, SMS/MMS messages, and any changes made in the phone's Settings from factory defaults.
I would also assume that programs such as Holo and Helium leverage the same underlying technology with the option of doing it locally.
Thanks!
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Pretty much anything you can't uninstall is a system app.
To your 1 & 2 items above...yes to both.
No idea what Holo or Helium programs are.
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So you actually have a valid reason not to root? You can install SS, do backups, etc. You can root cloak if you want. Odin back to stock if you need to.
Or you can use the slow, bloated, gimped, and otherwise poor excuse of a stock ROM for your DD. not sure why you would want that backed up anyway?
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So you actually have a valid reason not to root?
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It's a brand new phone under warranty, support when needed, automatic OTA updates...
xdadevnube said:
You can install SS, do backups, etc. You can root cloak if you want. Odin back to stock if you need to.
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Which leaves the KNOX counter at 0x1. There is no exploit to use in KitKat like there was in Jelly Bean and prior.
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...bloated, gimped, and otherwise poor excuse of a stock ROM for your DD. not sure why you would want that backed up anyway?
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I'm accustomed to being able to do a bare metal restore to a previous point in time with my current phone. It has worked several times when things went bad, and I could even restore to a new phone of the same model if that were necessary. I'm trying to duplicate that as much as possible of that with Android.
Situation: I've installed two products, one called Holo, previous named Carbon, and the other called Helium. With Holo, which runs on the PC, I just did a full backup via USB 3 to my laptop. It says it can do the system apps and data too, but doesn't recommend doing it, so I didn't. I then deleted the data and applications through Application Manager. After that, I did a full restore. The apps and data were exactly like they were. Helium I'm guessing uses the same API, but is installed on the phone, and backs up to the SD card. I don't have an SD card yet, and I didn't want to use the one that Android emulates when it doesn't have one, so I haven't tested that one yet. The advantage of Helium is it allows you to select what you want to backup and restore. It doesn't allow backing up any system apps or data.
I'm currently documenting the changes I make to settings while it is all fresh in my mind, so if I do have to do a factory reset later, I can get back to where I was as painlessly as possible. I will do a factory reset tonight to prove the backups work, before I rely on Holo's restores.
Other: I've used custom ROMs in the past. I always ended up returning to the factory ROM due to fewer bugs, and compatibility issues that I encountered when installing programs that needed something the developer removed. The reason rooting Android is tempting for me, is that I'm missing the basic functionality of being able to do call recording while I'm on Bluetooth. OTOH, I can understand why Samsung will not support a phone that has been rooted.
Thanks!
Im not sure why you say that the Knox counter will be tripped. I have had my phone rooted since almost the day I got it when it was on MJE, upgraded it to NC4 after root was available and even just odined it back to stock at the beginning of this week. Screen was cracked and I got a replacement. I had to return the old one and when it got dropped in the mail, it was no longer rooted, fully stock, and a Knox counter of 0x0. This replacement phone with Kit Kat (NC4) on it was rooted withing hours of receiving it, nandroid restored to the identical setup as the phone it was replacing, and the Knox counter is, you guessed it, 0x0.
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Im not sure why you say that the Knox counter will be tripped. I have had my phone rooted since almost the day I got it when it was on MJE, upgraded it to NC4 after root was available and even just odined it back to stock at the beginning of this week. Screen was cracked and I got a replacement. I had to return the old one and when it got dropped in the mail, it was no longer rooted, fully stock, and a Knox counter of 0x0. This replacement phone with Kit Kat (NC4) on it was rooted withing hours of receiving it, nandroid restored to the identical setup as the phone it was replacing, and the Knox counter is, you guessed it, 0x0.
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Please tell me how to do that, or point to where I can learn how.
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Please tell me how to do that, or point to where I can learn how.
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I just did a chat with One Click Root, which went as follows:
ME: I just purchased a new Verizon Note 3 with the newest KitKat. I don't want to mess up the warranty or support. However, an unrooted phone cannot record calls under Bluetooth. I heard there was a problem with rooting phones with KitKat with files after some date in June. I also want to be able to unroot if necessary for update and warranty purposes. Can One Click Root accomplish these goals?
One Click Root: Warranty will be voided if you root your device and ota updates will remove the root totally. I don't actually know if warranty will be back if you unroot your device.
ME: What about KNOX?
One Click Root: Won't be affected.
ME: How much does One Click Root cost if I decide to do this?
One Click Root: We have 2 packages to choose from: $29.95 package which includes root only and $39.95 which includes rooting + removal of bloatware + 30 days free tech support.
ME: I'm guessing the $39.95 for the tech support would be worth it. The removal of bloatware might not since if I did, and unrooted it to get an OTA update, the update would fail if the bloatware were not there to be patched.
One Click Root:We need to check first if your device is rootable. May I know the exact model number and android version?
ME: OK, I'm going into settings now...
One Click Root: Great! Your device is rootable.
ME: You've helped me TONS! I will make sure I want to do this, but you can be sure here is will I come when I do. I need to learn a little more about rooting, unrooting, and being able to get it back to factory so I can get service if I need it.
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My question is how/where can I learn how to be able to achieve this?
mikeyk101 said:
...I have had my phone rooted since almost the day I got it when it was on MJE, upgraded it to NC4 after root was available and even just odined it back to stock at the beginning of this week. Screen was cracked and I got a replacement. I had to return the old one and when it got dropped in the mail, it was no longer rooted, fully stock, and a Knox counter of 0x0. This replacement phone with Kit Kat (NC4) on it was rooted withing hours of receiving it, nandroid restored to the identical setup as the phone it was replacing, and the Knox counter is, you guessed it, 0x0.
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Thank you!
Maybe Im missing what you are asking. There are several threads on here that detail what to do. To root, use towelroot and it will cost you nothing. Then you will have to install SuperSU but make sure to use 2.13 version. This will also give you the option to disable Knox. Then install busybox and finally you can install safestrap.
mikeyk101 said:
...To root, use towelroot and it will cost you nothing.
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Doesn't it make more sense to use "One Click Root" instead since it allows unrooting?
mikeyk101 said:
Then you will have to install SuperSU but make sure to use 2.13 version. This will also give you the option to disable Knox.
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Will do
mikeyk101 said:
Then install busybox, and finally you can install safestrap.
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Got it. I will look for more threads about this. Thanks TONS!
Supersu also allows you the option to do a full unroot as well.
mikeyk101 said:
Supersu also allows you the option to do a full unroot as well.
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Got it!
Thanks!
xdadevnube said:
So you actually have a valid reason not to root? You can install SS, do backups, etc. You can root cloak if you want. Odin back to stock if you need to. Or you can use the slow, bloated, gimped, and otherwise poor excuse of a stock ROM for your DD. not sure why you would want that backed up anyway?
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I'm not there yet, but I'm drifting closer to your way of thinking. However, from what I read, custom ROMs have shorter battery life and S-Pen problems. I'm not after a hot rod. I'm after usable, as in not crippled.
I'd like to see a Windows 8.1 ROM for it like is on the Surface Pro 2. Android and IOS are just too limited.
IT_Architect said:
I'm not there yet, but I'm drifting closer to your way of thinking. However, from what I read, custom ROMs have shorter battery life and S-Pen problems. I'm not after a hot rod. I'm after usable, as in not crippled.
I'd like to see a Windows 8.1 ROM for it like is on the Surface Pro 2. Android and IOS are just too limited.
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If you want Windows....have your boss get you a Nokia. You will never see a Windows ROM on a Note.....talk about a bloated and crippled OS.
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donc113 said:
If you want Windows....have your boss get you a Nokia. You will never see a Windows ROM on a Note.....talk about a bloated and crippled OS.
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I think we have different expectation in how we want to use the phone. LOL!
I have been the CTO of two different tier-1 automotive suppliers, and now own my own IT company, so I am the boss. They haven't made Windows phones in a while. The last Windows phone was Windows Mobile, at which time they were big player. There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
With the power coming to p;hones and tablets, this year I got interested in settling on a device that the guys could carry off duty to do emergency tech support when we get a server alarm or frantic call while in the mall. We currently use laptops and Dell XPS 12 convertibles and Windows Mobile phones, which I even had myself until recently. PMing with a developer at XDA that I've worked with over the years, he also laments about the loss of Windows as the most productive and capable development environment, but things are what they are. The problem with the old phones was the small screen and slow data speeds make them something you only use in emergencies. The upside is they did in 2009 everything that the new phones aspire to. I have been attempting to duplicate their capabilities in either IOS or Android. Now that the Note series and Android have achieved parity in the handwriting recognition and speech to text, an HD screen, a usable RDP client, SFTP Terminal and file manager apps, it has shown itself to be usable for us in that role. I have no interest in root per se, in fact I'd rather not because playing with phones is not what we do. I'm simply attempting to fill in the few remaining usability shortfalls. The most major is call recording that works the same whether on or off Bluetooth. Another one we would like to have back is bare metal restores.
Thanks!
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I think we have different expectation in how we want to use the phone. LOL!
I have been the CTO of two different tier-1 automotive suppliers, and now own my own IT company, so I am the boss. They haven't made Windows phones in a while. The last Windows phone was Windows Mobile, at which time they were big player. There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
With the power coming to p;hones and tablets, this year I got interested in settling on a device that the guys could carry off duty to do emergency tech support when we get a server alarm or frantic call while in the mall. We currently use laptops and Dell XPS 12 convertibles and Windows Mobile phones, which I even had myself until recently. PMing with a developer at XDA that I've worked with over the years, he also laments about the loss of Windows as the most productive and capable development environment, but things are what they are. The problem with the old phones was the small screen and slow data speeds make them something you only use in emergencies. The upside is they did in 2009 everything that the new phones aspire to. I have been attempting to duplicate their capabilities in either IOS or Android. Now that the Note series and Android have achieved parity in the handwriting recognition and speech to text, an HD screen, a usable RDP client, SFTP Terminal and file manager apps, it has shown itself to be usable for us in that role. I have no interest in root per se, in fact I'd rather not because playing with phones is not what we do. I'm simply attempting to fill in the few remaining usability shortfalls. The most major is call recording that works the same whether on or off Bluetooth. Another one we would like to have back is bare metal restores.
Thanks!
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Hummm.....haven't made a Windows Phone in years? I suggest you look at this site:
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us
You wanna do "bare metal" recoveries? Just root and it's a piece of cake.
Oh...my background? I did some programming in this new fun language called BASIC in 1963, then moved on to FORTRAN in '68. Switched carreers in '70 so didn't get back to programming until early 80s and that was pure assembly language. Then C and then converting COBOL to SQL.
I had more fun with hardware so became a UNIX System Administrator and Oracle DBA in the mid 80s.
Retired in late 90's from my government job and worked for 14 years as a UNIX SA, Sybase DBA and Window's Administrator for British Telecom here in the US in the VideoConferencing nitch.
So I kind of have a computing background and in my experience, most CTO's come from the sales and marketing side of the business, not the technical side.
Obviously I have no idea if any of the above applies to you.
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IT_Architect said:
I think we have different expectation in how we want to use the phone. LOL!
I have been the CTO of two different tier-1 automotive suppliers, and now own my own IT company, so I am the boss. They haven't made Windows phones in a while. The last Windows phone was Windows Mobile, at which time they were big player. There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
With the power coming to p;hones and tablets, this year I got interested in settling on a device that the guys could carry off duty to do emergency tech support when we get a server alarm or frantic call while in the mall. We currently use laptops and Dell XPS 12 convertibles and Windows Mobile phones, which I even had myself until recently. PMing with a developer at XDA that I've worked with over the years, he also laments about the loss of Windows as the most productive and capable development environment, but things are what they are. The problem with the old phones was the small screen and slow data speeds make them something you only use in emergencies. The upside is they did in 2009 everything that the new phones aspire to. I have been attempting to duplicate their capabilities in either IOS or Android. Now that the Note series and Android have achieved parity in the handwriting recognition and speech to text, an HD screen, a usable RDP client, SFTP Terminal and file manager apps, it has shown itself to be usable for us in that role. I have no interest in root per se, in fact I'd rather not because playing with phones is not what we do. I'm simply attempting to fill in the few remaining usability shortfalls. The most major is call recording that works the same whether on or off Bluetooth. Another one we would like to have back is bare metal restores.
Thanks!
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You can root and install safestrap and still retain your normal functionality. Only adding the options to backup and restore. I would root/install busybox/ install safestrap and wipe and flash the stock deodex version. Beans has a nice clean nc4 base posted. Before you end up with to much on your phone that you dont want to wipe it. You will also want to odin the nc2 kernel before booting up your custom setup for the first time. I can assure using the listed setup will keep superb battery life and all stock functions and features.
donc113 said:
...most CTO's come from the sales and marketing side of the business, not the technical side.
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I've never heard of one that was in a Tier-1 Automotive supplier. BTW, I was also a CIO. Basically, when you are CIO, you are responsible for the direction and implementation of the corporate information structure. You do that after working with department heads and watching the department functions. You discuss your thoughts and direction with the CTO and flesh out the details. As CIO, you then budget the project. You keep the CFO in the loop on requirements, and for optimizations, you work with him to get him on board. During the board meetings, we hammered out the whens because it may be something not IT related makes the most sense to do first. Everyone also scrutinizes your plan and offer suggestions. The marketing side in a Tier-1 Automotive supplier is the sales team and/or organization, who work closely with the Engineering department for costs and timing. It really helps to be technical before you become a CIO.
Social life in high school for me was studying solid state electronics. In college studied automotive technology, and I designed an electronic ignition system for one teacher, and helped another who was writing a book to come up with the formula for calculating ratios for a compound planetary gear set. Prior to my CTO work, I also was military, but full-time guard, aircraft mechanic supervisor, then I bought a plane and learned to fly, then a military academy on an age waiver, then Signal Officer, which means wired and tower communications and COMSEC, then a command, then flight school on an age waiver, then served my commitment flying for the guard. Thus, in civilian life, they threw developing a Tool and Die CNC department, then sent me to their production plant to write an fully integrated ERP package. I used Faircom's C-Tree that time around, and wrote my own translator to use CB86 syntax. I also designed and built the electronic circuits for automation and was farmed out by them to, of all places, a large food distributor who needed a system to monitor their temperatures and gas on weekends so they didn't come back on Monday with thousands in loss. (Who was a friend of the owner) I started an Industrial Design company, only two of us, and did that for two years, but made a lot of money. Someone then made us an offer we couldn't refuse. One of the employees of one automotive supplier became part owner in another, that was in trouble from an IT standpoint and GM expectations, learned I was free, and they started taking me to lunch. I also authored a full ERP system for them, and we went from the cut list to the top 3% GM supplier rating. It was there I was featured in two national publications, one you may remember since you go back that far, was Application Development Trends. This was built on a DBMS. I publicly challenged Oracle at a developer conference on their query optimizer, and they could not deliver.
I enjoyed being high energy, but one day one a friend there said to me, "I have no idea why you do what you do. I would never do what you do even if I could." He got me thinking. I had lots of vacation time, but no time to take them. I wasn't sure of the ages of my kids or their birthdays. After a few months of thinking about it, I told them I was resigning to start my own business, and that I would give them 2 months before leaving. As the time approached, they said they wanted me to do a project, and if I finished it withing 5 months, they would pay me a sizable bonus, and pay me after I left for another 6 months to help start my new business. The CFO didn't think it was possible to get done in that time, and I wasn't too sure either, but I took the gamble. When they wanted to carve a week out of my time for another project, I then told them that they then also need to tack on a week to the 5 months, which they did. I was completely oblivious at the time how important my stipulation would be. It was implemented and in place, and working with only with just under 2 days to spare because I had to cancel 2 roll outs on other weekends for issues. (Shutting down GM can cost you your business) When I was about to get out, I had a daughter wise beyond her years show me her research about home schooling, and said she did that because she noticed how much more enjoyable it was to be around home school kids. I was concerned about socialization, but she did her homework, and in this area, they have a school, gym, and teachers for classes you can't do at home. There was far more socialization, and the kids were totally transformed in 6 months to being nice, with brothers and sisters tripping over themselves to help each other and others. In basketball, they mopped the Class A teams in our area, and finished 3rd Class D in the nation. They started college at 17, and Magna Cum Laude. I've been on my own for several years now. Well, they are gown up. It's easier to build and run a company than what I was doing. I have UNIX servers and one site that does 5 1/2 million unique visitors a month, so this may sound crazy, but I miss the board room and the pressures...and my dad tells me I am crazy to miss it. LOL! I think what I miss most is working with lots of people and lots of critical problems to solve. I also had fun as a speaker at quarterly meetings. While not every move I've made has been a good one, you don't know what works until you try. We seem to have a lot in common, and both like to learn. The chemistry, electronics, math, and physics has been fun to learn, but oddly, the most fun is working with people on projects, at the gym, or running. You may have some time over me, but I haven't been sitting still either.
Lest anyone believe that I had much of a hand in any of this, I will dispel that right now. There are heal marks from being dragged every place I've been. I bought a plane and learned to fly because when flying with them as a crew I would be sick for two days. One day a pilot took me aside and told me that he used to be just like me, and it took learning to fly to get over it. I went to a military academy because people encouraged me to, and that I needed to to achieve my potential. You can't name one thing in my life that didn't go similarly, and all of this happened from the Lord dragging me to through this to prove to me that through trust in Him, all things are possible. All I can say is it worked. An there is a huge thanks on my part to the people who spent time with me to give that opportunity, and I'm far from some religious or pious guy.
donc113 said:
There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
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If you do a little research, you will see what happened there. You can also research and find that killing Windows Mobile was Steve Balmer's greatest regret. In his words, I put Microsoft way behind in this area. There are different kinds of users. Steve saw the boom in the gamey non-technical side, but he didn't have that market. He came late to the party using the gaming platform, but in doing so he lost his mobile business market and developers. Their developers were faced with one of two options, the closed platform of IOS and being Apple's slave, or the open Android market and fierce competition. The new Windows Phone couldn't even connect to Microsoft's own products, while the iPhone/IOS/BSD could. Things are better now, but until Microsoft comes back to the market with a real Windows phone to tie the Enterprise, desktop, and cloud back together, Google will be the Microsoft of mobile devices, and Apple will be happy with their high-end 15%.
donc113 said:
I had more fun with hardware...
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And you AND I know darn well I shouldn't be playing with phones, but I have the same illness. Currently, we can wear our noise-cancelling Bluetooth and record conversations with customers. It's our note taker and we send them to each other to pick up on. It's a money saver when you confront someone with what they asked someone to do. Now add to that no backups after you get the phone all set the way you want it? I have NovaLauncher not because I don't like Touchwiz, it's because I can restore the setup without rooting, and Helium or Holo can do the non-embedded stuff, but the Bluetooth thing leaves me seething. As far as rooting goes, yes, that can be done, and it complicates things when one needs service. It just rubs me the wrong way when a phone built in 2009, using technology from 2002 (XP), can do what an Android phone from 2013 prevents me from doing without risking and hacking. With WinMo, when you did a factory reset, you actually got a factory reset. It erased everything on the phone, and copied back the factory operating system. I like to put things in place that are a thing of beauty, and get it behind me.
Of course what I really came here for, I don't have an answer for. LOL! How little can I get away with, when rooting a phone? Why do I want Safestrap when I don't want a custom ROM? Isn't just rooting, SuperSU, and Xpose all I want? This is new ground for me.
PS: I'm looking at the best way to root on another thread without messing up the warranty.