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Performance Degrades on Custom ROM

Hi!
Does anybody experiences degradation on performance after some time using custom roms?
I used some and the first days works like a charm but after some time performance seems to degrade, for example, someone calls, it begins to ring but it takes 2 seconds for calller image to appear and thats is one example. With rooted rom I dont have that degradation to the point I never restar my phone because its working fine.
Tnx

There is no perfect costume ROM.
think about it!! Even the performance of the stock unrooted ROM starts to get worse after a while of using.
This is the Tragedy of all android devices.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using XDA Labs

Boseka said:
There is no perfect costume ROM.
think about it!! Even the performance of the stock unrooted ROM starts to get worse after a while of using.
This is the Tragedy of all android devices.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge using XDA Labs
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To be honest this stock rom, rooted, with xposed and some modules its been working fine for 3 months. I didnt restarted the phone and its working like charm. My note 4 its running with rooted stock rom and its working fine. My old s4 mini non rooted worked for years without wipe and now, without wipe my kid uses it to play and film.
Maybe I dont use the cellphone that much, I dont know but it works fine, never a reboot, never a wipe. The thing with custom roms its that they dont survive even 3 weeks. I dont know exactly where is the flaw but "normally" they degrade quickly and I dont know why.
I used Superman ROM for example. The rom its fine, fast at first but one week later it becomes slower, 2 or 3 weeks later you can see that someone its calling you but you dont see the pic nor the ringtone for some seconds and in time things get worse.
What apps do I use?
Wasup, maxton browser maybe once or twice a day, twitter once a day, simpsons game and nothing more.
I think its not the kind of use that can drgrade a ROM.
Maybe I'm missing something, maybe I have to do something to my phone to not loose performance (delete cache, etc)...
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In my experience, the stock rom rooted or not, has better stability and least bug (if there is one) compared to custom roms.
Some Users prefer custom roms due to a leaner build and higher speed, but mostly these roms have one or more bugs that may annoy a User. This is understandable I guess for custom roms because they are not built by a professional team of software developers compared to i.e Samsung or LG.

Is it really worth root and use custom roms?

I'm thinking in root my device but I have some doubt about it and I want to hear your opinion. All my old devices i've rooted because of performance, memory, vga improvements, but in my S8 i'm worried about root and loose the guarantee. Those custom rooms really makes difference in performance, battery e the others stuffs? Worth the risk?
Thanks!!
PS.:sorry for bad english

I haven't yet, but I'm also on a snapdragon variant where it would mean losing 20% of my battery. If I had an exynos I'm sure I would. For custom roms, depends what you're looking for. They can add a lot of features and functionality.
P.s. - your english is great

for me (where I live there is just the exynos variant) it is totally worth it. All android devices i owned so far had all custom roms on it - for me it is more of a customisation thing, rather than an extreme performance increase - at least on the s8 because it IS already pretty fast and snappy. Sure here and there a bit faster and maybe with increasing the animation speed even more (at least for the eye). But what I love is just that I can make anything look like I want to. And other things like a stereo speaker mod puts the cherry on top of the cake.

for me the answer is YES it is worth it. the customisation and performance on a custom rom is so much better than stock. add to that dual speaker mod and the camera mod and i am 100% glad i rooted.

NO ,In the end, stock is always the best. you have guarantee. and s8 is good and fast enough. custom Rom always bugs bugs bugs

you can make arguments both ways, I recently rooted my S8 (Exynos) after having it for 3 months, I had no issues with it stock but did like the idea of installing the camera mod, speaker mod etc and the ability to debloat (not just freeze) bloat apps. So I'm enjoying it but I enjoyed while it was stock too. I you enjoy tweaking your phone then for sure its worth it, if not, the S8 is awesome stock too.

Glad of read all those answers. I have Exynos variant and I'm asking this just because my cellphone have some "issues" that are bothering me, like battery drain(main issue for me), volume of the speaker, BT Audio really sucks and a lot of other little things. My guarantee ends in March 2018 so I'm thinking about it now.
If anyone have another opinion, please, share with us!

I have always rooted my HTC phones but after i got the S8 i didn't cos it's fast enough without root, and with root the pay apps don't work here in DK.

Nope . Dont root or change rom of your phone . If you are facing issues like battery drain then reset your phone or change firmware like install different region stock pda .
I am using adshell which force me to make and use samsung developer account , so i have root kind of access of adshell for 3 months using Knox key which is so awesome . I can disable all the bloat also now using adshell.

if you are curious about custom roms you can just root and stay on the stock rom. There are already a bunch of apps like substratum to theme and customize the stock rom the way you like it. And you can also flash camera/stereo speaker mod

thiagomed said:
Glad of read all those answers. I have Exynos variant and I'm asking this just because my cellphone have some "issues" that are bothering me, like battery drain(main issue for me), volume of the speaker, BT Audio really sucks and a lot of other little things. My guarantee ends in March 2018 so I'm thinking about it now.
If anyone have another opinion, please, share with us!
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Just wanted to mention, that your BT Audio Issues won´t be fixed with a custom ROM, since they are usually using the Stock Samsung Bluetooth Stack. Speakervolume and batterylife can be better with Custom ROMS and Mods.
I´m curious, what BT issues are you experiencing? I´m using BT Headphones almost everyday and I´m happy with it.

FloM94 said:
if you are curious about custom roms you can just root and stay on the stock rom. There are already a bunch of apps like substratum to theme and customize the stock rom the way you like it. And you can also flash camera/stereo speaker mod
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On the Exynos version, the root loses 20% of the battery?
I want to root and stay on the stock rom
What is the easiest way?
Thank you very much if you answer

MHN.1515 said:
On the Exynos version, the root loses 20% of the battery?
I want to root and stay on the stock rom
What is the easiest way?
Thank you very much if you answer
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I dont experienced any kind of battery loss after rooting. Pretty much the same, if not better (with renovate ice custom rom).
Rooting alone does nothing with your battery consumption - you just have more permissions on your filesystem. And when you change the look of your UI with substratum for example, there is also not more battery drain because you just change (mostly image) files - nothing thats runs in the background. Correct me if I am wrong.
And with mods like Camera/speaker mod you will also dont notice any significant change (maybe 2% less a day).
Here is how you root your exynos s8:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/how-to/how-to-youtube-video-root-magisk-t3687845

Marvinho+ said:
Just wanted to mention, that your BT Audio Issues won´t be fixed with a custom ROM, since they are usually using the Stock Samsung Bluetooth Stack. Speakervolume and batterylife can be better with Custom ROMS and Mods.
I´m curious, what BT issues are you experiencing? I´m using BT Headphones almost everyday and I´m happy with it.
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Thanks for reply. Is not an issue, is more like and desapointment because volume of music in BT or even in headphones its low to me. Iphone of my girlfriend have a better amplification and quality I guess.
But ok, you guys have encourage me, I'll root my phone and install a custom ROM. What is the best ROM for you? Battery life, performance and sound/camera?

I am going to go for yes. I have the international model for rooting.
What do I gain:
Slightly better battery life
Slightly better camera performance
Better sound performance
One-stop disabling of unused OEM apps
Custom clock and battery icons (I cannot tell you how much, after 5 years of seeing 5:00, I do not want to see 5:00pm or 17:00 on my status bar).
Taste of other Samsung roms (like S8 on S7, N8 on S8, S9 on S8).
Titanium Backups of apps
T-mobile US VOLTE support on international phone.
What do I lose:
Full warranty support
Certain banking or credit card apps
Automated updates

I´m using Batman ROM since the first release and it´s just awesome. Never had any Bugs (even after dirtyflashing updates) and the batterylife is just great.
BTW i´m currently using the google Camera port parallel to the Samsung camera and I´m surprised how good it is in comparison, just as a little tipp

First phone I have not rooted as I'm able to achieve a lot of customization without root. Yes there are some die-hard features I would love but rooting this phone vs not makes me more lean towards the not. One of the reason is loosing the guarantee and the other is loosing Samsung Pay. Once you trip the knox, the device is not eligible for Samsung Pay, even if you unroot it. Then again, if I were in a country without Samsung pay I probably would care less about tripping knox.

thiagomed said:
Thanks for reply. Is not an issue, is more like and desapointment because volume of music in BT or even in headphones its low to me. Iphone of my girlfriend have a better amplification and quality I guess.
But ok, you guys have encourage me, I'll root my phone and install a custom ROM. What is the best ROM for you? Battery life, performance and sound/camera?
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S8 stock audio quality is atrocious. I could never go back to a stock audio stack now. I use sauron+v4a+Atmos (axon 7 version). The Atmos is not used all the time (rarely these days) but the other two are used constantly

Arju said:
First phone I have not rooted as I'm able to achieve a lot of customization without root. Yes there are some die-hard features I would love but rooting this phone vs not makes me more lean towards the not. One of the reason is loosing the guarantee and the other is loosing Samsung Pay. Once you trip the knox, the device is not eligible for Samsung Pay, even if you unroot it. Then again, if I were in a country without Samsung pay I probably would care less about tripping knox.
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Hi friend. How're you?

Bat stock Rom and Batman rom are brilliant!

ROM suggestion for a S5 User

Hi,
My father is using my old S5 (KLTE) for about 2 years now. He's recently complaining about the performance (response and battery) of the phone. So I was in search for a price/performance phone to replace his S5.
But then I decided that in the old days, I was able to have better performance from my old Android phones by just changing the rom. (to a lite and recent version) together with a factory reset, I believe he will have better performance for at least a few more months while I find a better phone for him
So, I'd like to get your suggestions on a performance rom.
Preferably, I'd go with a touchwiz based rom because I don't want to change his familiarity of the interface. But I know that it (touchwiz) would mean loss of performance.
he's used to use video talk over the GSM so I believe this is only available in touchwiz , right ?
On the other hand, a lite rom with possibly Nougat (7.1.x) would be a good upgrade.
I can't select at the moment which path to go.
Can you recommend me best roms for each path ? (Touchwiz and Non-Touchwiz)
Thanks.

Currently I'm with the stock Marshmallow ROM from Samsung and it's pretty fast. You can check my signature for all the info about it. But I'll soon change to MagMa ROM VX3 (when it gets released) which is a port from the S8/Note 8. While still on Android 6.0.1 it has all the features and is lighter I think. Try out a few ROMs and see which one's the best. It all depends on apps installed, kernel used, disabled stuff, etc. In my opinion better to stay on TouchWiz since he's familiar with it. Plus non-touchwiz ROMs tend to have bugs.

I would like to know also if there is any custom rom than has better performance than the last stock one and has no bugs. I'm afraid that custom roms could have neither and add some extra features that won't compensate.
About the battery you can simply buy another one. That was the last Galaxy S to have a removable one and that is the main reason why I have not upgraded it. But I have the feeling the phone has become slower, even I have reset it.

Try these ROM. It is a TouchWiz Rom so I think your dad would like it. It is fast in terms of performance and battery life is okay. Works best with boeffla. Heres the link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...om-xxx-limits-1-1-stable-smooth-fast-t3304941

Nardskie1999 said:
Try these ROM. It is a TouchWiz Rom so I think your dad would like it. It is fast in terms of performance and battery life is okay. Works best with boeffla. Heres the link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...om-xxx-limits-1-1-stable-smooth-fast-t3304941
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But in what way is this better that the last stock one? And it has any disadvantage? (battery life, bugs etc that are usual in custom roms)
For me the bigger problem of the phone are not the features, that come mostly from the apps and they are the same. It is the performance as it always have a delay before starting any app that is not present in newer devices.
Even cheap devices as the Moto 5 has better performance, but the camera and the display is worse as the Galaxy S5 was a high end device making the upgrade a mix bag. Unless I go to more expensive devices. But the ideal would be a rom that optimize more the speed.

karlpj said:
But in what way is this better that the last stock one? And it has any disadvantage? (battery life, bugs etc that are usual in custom roms)
For me the bigger problem of the phone are not the features, that come mostly from the apps and they are the same. It is the performance as it always have a delay before starting any app that is not present in newer devices.
Even cheap devices as the Moto 5 has better performance, but the camera and the display is worse as the Galaxy S5 was a high end device making the upgrade a mix bag. Unless I go to more expensive devices. But the ideal would be a rom that optimize more the speed.
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So far so good. No problems or bugs at all. The performance of the Rom is absolutely amazing when it comes to games or whatever you are doing. I even got a 64000 score in Antutu Benchmark without overclocking. I think it is the most stablest Rom that I had to my galaxy s5.

My recomendation if you want fast its the Ressurection Remix 5.8.5...
Its the fastest rom I've tried no doubt

Sharlimar said:
My recomendation if you want fast its the Ressurection Remix 5.8.5...
Its the fastest rom I've tried no doubt
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But is buggy in any way? And what is the link for the rom? I have done a search and appears lots of different versions.
My s5 has the tendency to stall at the start of google maps and is rather slow with google assistant. Eventually I will buy one new but I would prefer a s9 (that is quite near) or s10

karlpj said:
But is buggy in any way? And what is the link for the rom? I have done a search and appears lots of different versions.
My s5 has the tendency to stall at the start of google maps and is rather slow with google assistant. Eventually I will buy one new but I would prefer a s9 (that is quite near) or s10
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I can tell you its that google maps its faster on rr 5.8.5 and on home screen you slide to the left and you are on google assistant so its great for you
You find the oficial rr rom on the oficial site
Search on google

[Discussion] my experience with custom roms in 2 years with this device

I am just telling my experience, all the Dev's are best, they are the ones who let me explore more in around android and it's versions.
I used custom roms on k5 plus 3gb for 2 years i think.
It was like first few months i used the original rom and then i voided the warranty with custom roms as i saw more possibility and newer versions of android coming better than what i had. I kept exploring every part of the phone, and whatever softwares i could use and get more from this phone. Few roms lasted around 4-5 months. I love the nougat roms still, there is a Android Q rom already here, amazing. It was a good experience, until this last few months i started to have battery drain faster when i would use the hotspot feature or use bluetooth for headsets, and gps was like the most battery drainer. I kept changing roms and seeing what would give more bettery life while using, the sleep/screenoff state uses like no energy and then opposite happen if i use in full brightness outside and gps
Then
today i just tried to see the stock rom backup is working or not, it did, and now i realise that the most stable rom is the stock rom that comes from lenovo. The battery life is just way better than any other roms (+1hour than what you get in current Oreo and pie roms), the performance is back, Dolby Atmos is back and works, the inbuilt vr works.
The apps which were quite heavy lagged in animations in custom roms, stock does it smoothly, and i didn't need to get a small gapps package for performance this time, stock has like most gapps i think and it's smooth.
New stuff like play protect, assistant, well-being, etc are now available for this old lollipop rom as well, most of the features in the future versions are now available to use with simple downloads and a few majisk modules, without harming performance.
i am not sure how secure the rom/os it self is with old security patches. But yeah original rom got to be top 5 in best rom/os available for this device in terms of overall usability in daily life.
Tell me what your experience has been, i will use the stock lenovo again now for sometime. And might get back to custom".:laugh::good:

Fax Max said:
I am just telling my experience, all the Dev's are best, they are the ones who let me explore more in around android and it's versions.
I used custom roms on k5 plus 3gb for 2 years i think.
It was like first few months i used the original rom and then i voided the warranty with custom roms as i saw more possibility and newer versions of android coming better than what i had. I kept exploring every part of the phone, and whatever softwares i could use and get more from this phone. Few roms lasted around 4-5 months. I love the nougat roms still, there is a Android Q rom already here, amazing. It was a good experience, until this last few months i started to have battery drain faster when i would use the hotspot feature or use bluetooth for headsets, and gps was like the most battery drainer. I kept changing roms and seeing what would give more bettery life while using, the sleep/screenoff state uses like no energy and then opposite happen if i use in full brightness outside and gps
Then
today i just tried to see the stock rom backup is working or not, it did, and now i realise that the most stable rom is the stock rom that comes from lenovo. The battery life is just way better than any other roms (+1hour than what you get in current Oreo and pie roms), the performance is back, Dolby Atmos is back and works, the inbuilt vr works.
The apps which were quite heavy lagged in animations in custom roms, stock does it smoothly, and i didn't need to get a small gapps package for performance this time, stock has like most gapps i think and it's smooth.
New stuff like play protect, assistant, well-being, etc are now available for this old lollipop rom as well, most of the features in the future versions are now available to use with simple downloads and a few majisk modules, without harming performance.
i am not sure how secure the rom/os it self is with old security patches. But yeah original rom got to be top 5 in best rom/os available for this device in terms of overall usability in daily life.
Tell me what your experience has been, i will use the stock lenovo again now for sometime. And might get back to custom".:laugh::good:
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just to add you could try the latest stock ROM our device got wich is MM, and tell us your experience. I'm on it since a lot of time, and I won't move from it anymore.
don't you know the link?
here it is:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OGx6L4kTsoH1e_RxIRA_S6shIEiRBqT9/view?usp=drivesdk
it's a TWRP backup made by a Brazilian user and posted here on xda long time ago.
related thread:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/k5...fficial-lenovo-andoid-6-t3596733/post72044687
quickly instructions?
here we go:
go to TWRP and restore only /boot and /system partitions. that's it.
You could share with us how did you feel it compared with LP.
PS: everything is working flawlessly for me. a6020l37 (sd616 2gb RAM single SIM)

Okay I will check this out, also you don't need to quote long messages

Lenovo stock ROM wasn't that bad but after installing Android 10 (AOSP) Custom ROM on my Vive K5 Plus, it's feels a relief.
Yes there are some minor issues & bugs but over all satisfactory experience.
Personally I will always stick with this ROM over Lenovo stock 5.1
Thanks.

Fax Max said:
Okay I will check this out, also you don't need to quote long messages
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and you don't need to say what I need/don't need.
Yes, I extended a bit, but not that much as you unnecessary long OP, just to say stock ROM is more battery saver than any custom ROM.
BTW learn that this kind of experiences sharing shouldn't be posted in the guides section.

walterfuster said:
BTW learn that this kind of experiences sharing shouldn't be posted in the guides section.
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..... It's not just guides section it's also news and discussion

NaXal said:
Lenovo stock ROM wasn't that bad but after installing Android 10 (AOSP) Custom ROM on my Vive K5 Plus, it's feels a relief.
Thanks.
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Yep aosp 10 feels good.... I will use it when it gets a bit more updates

AOSP 10 has got another build. I guess the last possible build since Dev may be moving out of Vibe K5 Plus platform.
I have just upgraded to the new build & it's stable enough.
Yes although performance can't be called butter smooth but it's better than previous build & most of the phone features that I may need in daily usage are working fine.
Standby time is good but SoT is on lower side, but I can't blame the ROM, it's my battery which is very old & worn out by now.
Thanks. :fingers-crossed:

The best rom with extended battery life was AOSP extended. i used it for 2 years with Dolby atmos mode and it worked flawlessly. Stock rom eats up battery too fast.

Is any OS update proper stable? After 4.5.14 ?

Hi, Friends
I m still on 4.5.14 ( Nougat ), it's not that I haven't tried updating the ram but when I updated ( to 4.5.15 ) i was getting low battery performance, less camera performance and overall it just didn't sound fully baked and stable enough for me to update.
What I need from a phone is :
Stable Run
Great Battery Performance
Good Camera Performance
Any other useful feature are optional that it already has without effecting the beforementioned points.
Now android has released version 10 so i am almost 3 OS ver behind , Can anybody help me to know, Are there any real benefits of updating to latest OS apart from cosmetic changes ? I am an old motorola G user so i had to ask since they have forced us as a user so that we will brick if we go back to previous versions, they had changed something in the booting process ( mix of hardware and software )( i don't have an option to root since i use lots of financial which doesn't work great with rooting etc )

For any one want to update ota without losing root
https://oneplusonestop.wordpress.com/2018/09/09/ota-update-rooted/

Please help me on this ? Is there no Op5 user here ?

VajeenK said:
For any one want to update ota without losing root
https://oneplusonestop.wordpress.com/2018/09/09/ota-update-rooted/
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But that will never work if you're on nougat like op

intel3000 said:
Hi, Friends
I m still on 4.5.14 ( Nougat ), it's not that I haven't tried updating the ram but when I updated ( to 4.5.15 ) i was getting low battery performance, less camera performance and overall it just didn't sound fully baked and stable enough for me to update.
What I need from a phone is :
Stable Run
Great Battery Performance
Good Camera Performance
Any other useful feature are optional that it already has without effecting the beforementioned points.
Now android has released version 10 so i am almost 3 OS ver behind , Can anybody help me to know, Are there any real benefits of updating to latest OS apart from cosmetic changes ? I am an old motorola G user so i had to ask since they have forced us as a user so that we will brick if we go back to previous versions, they had changed something in the booting process ( mix of hardware and software )( i don't have an option to root since i use lots of financial which doesn't work great with rooting etc )
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There's no Android 10 for oneplus 5.
And the last OxygenOS versions are stable as Nougat. I can't imagine why you should not update to Pie?

strongst said:
There's no Android 10 for oneplus 5.
And the last OxygenOS versions are stable as Nougat. I can't imagine why you should not update to Pie?
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Thank you for replying!
I know but i came from using Motorola Phones and they use to have a lot of issues with their updated ROMs plus they have disabled the functionality of rolling back as well so one has to take lots of precautions before updating to the latest roms even though they are available earlier than other manufacturers.
Just wanted to know if the rom is stable enough and didn't issue in normal use. I use lots of financial apps, due to security reasons rooting is a no go for me. So I am just being cautious.
Also, I use the non rooted version of GCam for Photography needs so is that still available with Pie or not ?

intel3000 said:
Thank you for replying!
I know but i came from using Motorola Phones and they use to have a lot of issues with their updated ROMs plus they have disabled the functionality of rolling back as well so one has to take lots of precautions before updating to the latest roms even though they are available earlier than other manufacturers.
Just wanted to know if the rom is stable enough and didn't issue in normal use. I use lots of financial apps, due to security reasons rooting is a no go for me. So I am just being cautious.
Also, I use the non rooted version of GCam for Photography needs so is that still available with Pie or not ?
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For the gcam I don't know cause I never use it(have a professional DSLR) but check out apps section :good:

strongst said:
For the gcam I don't know cause I never use it(have a professional DSLR) but check out apps section :good:
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Thank you, Just one more question. Will it be easy to roll back to previous ROM ( Nougat ) in case I want to. I heard that since Oreo and in nougat there is some difference due to partitioning. Can I just upload the ROM onto the device and reboot into recovery to go back or I have to make partition myself?
The main thing I want to know is, DO I have to root to rollback or i can do that without rooting?

intel3000 said:
Thank you, Just one more question. Will it be easy to roll back to previous ROM ( Nougat ) in case I want to. I heard that since Oreo and in nougat there is some difference due to partitioning. Can I just upload the ROM onto the device and reboot into recovery to go back or I have to make partition myself?
The main thing I want to know is, DO I have to root to rollback or i can do that without rooting?
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You can roll back with local upgrade, but that's always risky when downgrading and you have a locked bootloader. I can't recommend this.
Also rolling back from oreo to nougat I can't think of it.

intel3000 said:
Hi, Friends
I m still on 4.5.14 ( Nougat ), it's not that I haven't tried updating the ram but when I updated ( to 4.5.15 ) i was getting low battery performance, less camera performance and overall it just didn't sound fully baked and stable enough for me to update.
What I need from a phone is :
Stable Run
Great Battery Performance
Good Camera Performance
Any other useful feature are optional that it already has without effecting the beforementioned points.
Now android has released version 10 so i am almost 3 OS ver behind , Can anybody help me to know, Are there any real benefits of updating to latest OS apart from cosmetic changes ? I am an old motorola G user so i had to ask since they have forced us as a user so that we will brick if we go back to previous versions, they had changed something in the booting process ( mix of hardware and software )( i don't have an option to root since i use lots of financial which doesn't work great with rooting etc )
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I would think that using banking apps you'd probably want to be on a newer version just for the security updates. This is the main reason I'm sticking to stock these days and just taking ota updates. Stick to pixel or OnePlus or Android one devices etc and you don't need root to get good software. I use Google pay and banking apps, purchase order online so I don't want to mess with rooting anymore except on my old backup phones like my htc one m8 to update it to Oreo from marshmallow.
Even if I could have root and Google pay working then you can't just keep updated by over the air updates as far as I know. I'd spend too much time researching how to install updates and regain root etc while now I just get an update pop up on my phone once every couple of months and tell it to install and wait a couple of minutes and it's good to go again.

I meant to add that I'm on 9.0.9 and I have had no issues with it. Performance is great, Camera is good, battery life is good. I had this phone for 2 years updated regularly from nougat to pie. I dropped the phone in the ocean and had to replace it, used a pixel XL for several months (on Android 10 recently). I bought another used op5 because I needed dual Sims for work. I don't regret it.
There was a choppy scrolling issue that came and went for a little while on pie (my first OnePlus 5 and also this replacement) but it seems to be completely gone now. Either with a recent update or possibly some setting I changed in developer options. Even when it had that issues it loaded everything extremely fast and held everything in ram usually. Battery life has never been an issue for me on this phone. It's better than the pixel XL but a lot and way better than a Galaxy s8. Standby time is really good and screen on time can go over 6 hours. Sometimes I unplug the phone before bed before it's even fully charged (90 percent or so) and go to work the next day and come home with over 70% still at 5pm.

My OP5 went from stable to buggy after my first OTA update. Once I rebooted from the first update my phone started to freeze up and blackout until a forced reboot.
Once I hit 9.0.4 I lost use of my gyro, camera, and GPS. Until I used an Unbrick tool and went back to 8.1 Oreo.
The phone still freezes up, screen blacks out, and LED lights turn a baby blue color until I force a reboot.

arcticphoenix said:
My OP5 went from stable to buggy after my first OTA update. Once I rebooted from the first update my phone started to freeze up and blackout until a forced reboot.
Once I hit 9.0.4 I lost use of my gyro, camera, and GPS. Until I used an Unbrick tool and went back to 8.1 Oreo.
The phone still freezes up, screen blacks out, and LED lights turn a baby blue color until I force a reboot.
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That sounds like a hardware problem. Did you not attempt to return the device? If it was a software bug that happened to all of them it would have been talked about extensively here back when this phone was new and still popular.

350Rocket said:
That sounds like a hardware problem. Did you not attempt to return the device? If it was a software bug that happened to all of them it would have been talked about extensively here back when this phone was new and still popular.
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I apologise for necro-posting
Turned out to be a faulty(corrupt) OTA flash. Rolled back to 8.0 OTA and it went back to normal.