I've watched about 3-4 Scratch/Drop tests since the Note 20 Ultra released and everyone has been pretty bad so far. Micro Scratches galore and major screen breakage. Looks like the new Gorilla Glass isn't all its cracked up to be. Its actually pretty disappointing.
If someone is going to carry this phone around without any protection: May God have mercy on your soul.
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If someone is going to carry this phone around without any protection: May God have mercy on your soul.
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I'm not, I got a case before mine even arrived. I'm just saying for how much they touted this new glass its not living up to the hype.
It's glass... Glass does what glass will do....
Not sure what you watched but the one I saw dropped 10 times from about 5-6 feet on the front without a single break. Small breakage on the back from a back drop.
This drop test video seems to disagree with you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6OcmT18R-I
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Not sure what you watched but the one I saw dropped 10 times from about 5-6 feet on the front without a single break. Small breakage on the back from a back drop.
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I watched these:
Corning says the phone will survive a 2 meter drop. That is 6 feet. These phones are starting to crack at 3 feet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp9Ehqb_dGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLWOlVqvigU
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I watched these:
Corning says the phone will survive a 2 meter drop. That is 6 feet. These phones are starting to crack at 3 feet.
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You have to consider when corning says that they are talking about a flat piece of glass....now when samsung curves it and probably makes it thinner than the testing glass it goes back to the same durability as previous GG6 phones....I'm waiting to see some durability tests on the regular flat screen note20 but seems no one is (understandably) buying those.
These "tests" are no very realistic.
Imagine if a car magazine bought a new Ferrari and decided to test it by driving 100 mph down railroad tracks or in a corn field!
Want a realistic test especially for a woman? Put the phone in a big purse fall of crap they typically have, place in a paint can shaker for 1 hour. That would simulate a week's worth of wear?!
The majority of users have a case. Even a thin one increases survivability of drops enormously. Except cases with little "raisivity", the rim over the edge, on direct drops to macadam parking lots and such.
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I've watched about 3-4 Scratch/Drop tests since the Note 20 Ultra released and everyone has been pretty bad so far. Micro Scratches galore and major screen breakage. Looks like the new Gorilla Glass isn't all its cracked up to be. Its actually pretty disappointing.
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I dont trust a 1300 purchase to hype. They are never gonna drop a glass solution that will make me okay with leaving my phone completely naked.
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seczdbz said:
You have to consider when corning says that they are talking about a flat piece of glass....now when samsung curves it and probably makes it thinner than the testing glass it goes back to the same durability as previous GG6 phones....I'm waiting to see some durability tests on the regular flat screen note20 but seems no one is (understandably) buying those.
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I find it hard to believe they don't test the glass ON the device.
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I dont trust a 1300 purchase to hype. They are never gonna drop a glass solution that will make me okay with leaving my phone completely naked.
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I find it hard to believe they don't test the glass ON the device.
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I was talking about corning themselves. When they are testing/showing the strength of the new glass it is a just a flat piece of glass.
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I was talking about corning themselves. When they are testing/showing the strength of the new glass it is a just a flat piece of glass.
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I'm talking about Corning as well. They have a partnership with Samsung and a few others. They manufacture the glass for Samsung. I still find it a reach to think they are testing a flat piece of glass in a vacuum and not in the shape of the final product attached to at least a dummy device that represents the final product.
This is my opinion but I'm curious if you have a source on such a definite statement of how they test their product.
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I'm talking about Corning as well. They have a partnership with Samsung and a few others. They manufacture the glass for Samsung. I still find it a reach to think they are testing a flat piece of glass in a vacuum and not in the shape of the final product attached to at least a dummy device that represents the final product.
This is my opinion but I'm curious if you have a source on such a definite statement of how they test their product.
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It's the same concept of how samsung makes display panels for so many other phones but once that other phone maker gets the samsung panel they calibrate it to their own specs...I can't post any links yet but if you just search gorilla glass victus on YouTube there are videos showing them testing the glass...the dummy phone they test has a flat display and some other tests are just a piece of flat glass itself.
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It's the same concept of how samsung makes display panels for so many other phones but once that other phone maker gets the samsung panel they calibrate it to their own specs...I can't post any links yet but if you just search gorilla glass victus on YouTube there are videos showing them testing the glass...the dummy phone they test has a flat display and some other tests are just a piece of flat glass itself.
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Umm okay. A display panel that produces different results based on the driver's attached to it is not at all an analogy for a single piece of glass.
Also the videos you are talking about are for an iteration of their glass. They are advertising a product that could be used by anyone willing to pay for it. The fact that their promo videos for it show flat panels is only proof that most devices people imagine will be flat.
Samsung doesn't make gorilla glass. Every glass panel Corning makes for various customers is made in Harrodsburg Kentucky. They hold patents for their glass, you mean that is handed over to the individual OEMs to do with it what they will?
I'll just agree to disagree. Samsung doesn't get a recipe for the glass and just does what they want. And if corning is cutting corners between flat panels and curved just to make numbers that's neither here nor their for the consumer. Samsung is a large advertising medium for them, so delivering a subpar version of the glass to one of it's biggest avenues for getting it's name out there would be kind of silly.
I guess I don't get your point, is Samsung taking a good product and making it worse? Is this a defense of corning?
In my eye glass is glass, even the Jerry Rig video shows it's marginally more durable at best compared to GG6 last year's model.
It's all hype and marketing.
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Umm okay. A display panel that produces different results based on the driver's attached to it is not at all an analogy for a single piece of glass.
Also the videos you are talking about are for an iteration of their glass. They are advertising a product that could be used by anyone willing to pay for it. The fact that their promo videos for it show flat panels is only proof that most devices people imagine will be flat.
Samsung doesn't make gorilla glass. Every glass panel Corning makes for various customers is made in Harrodsburg Kentucky. They hold patents for their glass, you mean that is handed over to the individual OEMs to do with it what they will?
I'll just agree to disagree. Samsung doesn't get a recipe for the glass and just does what they want. And if corning is cutting corners between flat panels and curved just to make numbers that's neither here nor their for the consumer. Samsung is a large advertising medium for them, so delivering a subpar version of the glass to one of it's biggest avenues for getting it's name out there would be kind of silly.
I guess I don't get your point, is Samsung taking a good product and making it worse? Is this a defense of corning?
In my eye glass is glass, even the Jerry Rig video shows it's marginally more durable at best compared to GG6 last year's model.
It's all hype and marketing.
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I agree with you that in the end its all just hype and marketing. It's glass and it will still break and scratch.
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I just put a skin on the back, that's it. I cannot stand cases. I like to feel the glass n metal of the phone. No some £10 plastic case. Yuk.
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I dont trust a 1300 purchase to hype. They are never gonna drop a glass solution that will make me okay with leaving my phone completely naked.
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Corning is not going to grab every different type of phone whose manufacturer purchased their glass and perform some sort of drop test. They make their sheet if glass and run it through its paces. After it's been altered to suit OEM needs, it's up to that party to come up with their own claims.
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Corning is not going to grab every different type of phone whose manufacturer purchased their glass and perform some sort of drop test. They make their sheet if glass and run it through its paces. After it's been altered to suit OEM needs, it's up to that party to come up with their own claims.
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I didn't they say would. They will test the panels. Probably do batch tests because they make so many. They make the glass. Of course they are testing the glass. I didn't say they were individually putting each panel they produce into a phone to check but to assume they don't do form fit checks would be strange.
They make every panel of glass in house. The claims of durability are theirs. Cornings.
Just want to leave my actual experience with the phone, on my last 7 days of use since I got it.
I'm using it with a slim TPU case, bare screen. Extra careful handling, no mixing with objects in the pocket, no accidents whatsoever.
After 5-6 days of use, I can already see some light marks/scratches, specially across the top border of the screen.
They are not visible most of the time, but they appear once you hit it with light on a certain angle, and they annoy me as hell.
As some other user told me here on XDA, it's likely due to microparticles living on my pocket, that end up creating this "misterious" scratches at some point.
This is specially relevant on this N20 Ultra, because of its huge size and its difficulty fitting on any pocket whatsoever.
And this has happened to me with my last 5-6 Galaxy phones (S20+, Note10+, S10+, etc), with their so-called "Gorilla" glasses.
So no it's not scratch resistant, certainly not a bit more than most of the previous generations. Not sure about crack resistance though, but I'd rather not test that myself.
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So no it's not scratch resistant, certainly not a bit more than most of the previous generations. Not sure about crack resistance though, but I'd rather not test that myself.
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I've always liked to point out that a lot of their focus is on shatter resistance. And unless they managed to magically change the laws of physics, the easiest way to avoid shattering glass is to make it "softer" this means the hardness is lowered so its less brittle. Problem is, thinking of it simply based on hardness and softness, softer glass scratches. Its why products like whitestone are so brittle, their hardness is higher.
Its not the worse trade off but like you said. Scratches are annoying.
Personally I ignore anything about gorilla glass. Unless they put a warranty against it, I'm gonna take measures to protect my investment.
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http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20100823006066/en
Corning Supplies Gorilla® Glass for Samsung Galaxy S Premium Smartphone
Evolution of Smartphones Led by Cutting-edge Display Technologies
SEOUL, South Korea--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Corning Incorporated (NYSE: GLW), a world leader in specialty glass and ceramics, announced today that Corning® Gorilla® glass has been designed into the Samsung Electronics Galaxy S, a newly released premium smartphone.
“Advanced display technology plays a crucial role in meeting consumers’ growing expectations on high-end mobile devices, especially smartphones. Corning’s Gorilla glass has helped maximize Galaxy S’s unique smartphone features by enabling a high-quality touch display.”
The Samsung Galaxy S features a four-inch super AMOLED display, while weighing roughly 119 grams in a slim, highly durable design. The enhanced super AMOLED display is enabled in part by using Corning Gorilla glass as the protective cover. Gorilla glass is an environmentally friendly alkali-aluminosilicate thin sheet glass that is both scratch resistant and durable.
BJ Kang, senior manager of Samsung Electronics said, “Advanced display technology plays a crucial role in meeting consumers’ growing expectations on high-end mobile devices, especially smartphones. Corning’s Gorilla glass has helped maximize Galaxy S’s unique smartphone features by enabling a high-quality touch display.”
Haeng Hee Lee, president of Corning Korea Company Ltd added, “Device makers are challenged with designing stylish yet durable products. The Galaxy S is a fine example of a premium device created through the combination of Corning’s specialty glass and Samsung’s mobile display technologies. Corning’s Gorilla glass enables device makers to introduce durable display products with innovative designs.”
More than 20 major makers of PC and handheld devices have already recognized the benefits of Gorilla glass by designing it into more than 225 devices, and more than 55 models will be released over the next six months.
Forward-Looking and Cautionary Statements
This press release contains “forward-looking statements” (within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995), which are based on current expectations and assumptions about Corning’s financial results and business operations, that involve substantial risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties include: the effect of global political, economic and business conditions; conditions in the financial and credit markets; currency fluctuations; tax rates; product demand and industry capacity; competition; reliance on a concentrated customer base; manufacturing efficiencies; cost reductions; availability of critical components and materials; new product commercialization; pricing fluctuations and changes in the mix of sales between premium and non-premium products; new plant start-up or restructuring costs; possible disruption in commercial activities due to terrorist activity, armed conflict, political or financial instability, natural disasters, adverse weather conditions, or major health concerns; adequacy of insurance; equity company activities; acquisition and divestiture activities; the level of excess or obsolete inventory; the rate of technology change; the ability to enforce patents; product and components performance issues; retention of key personnel; stock price fluctuations; and adverse litigation or regulatory developments. These and other risk factors are detailed in Corning’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Forward-looking statements speak only as of the day that they are made, and Corning undertakes no obligation to update them in light of new information or future events.
About Corning Incorporated
Corning Incorporated (www.corning.com) is the world leader in specialty glass and ceramics. Drawing on more than 150 years of materials science and process engineering knowledge, Corning creates and makes keystone components that enable high-technology systems for consumer electronics, mobile emissions control, telecommunications and life sciences. Our products include glass substrates for LCD televisions, computer monitors and laptops; ceramic substrates and filters for mobile emission control systems; optical fiber, cable, hardware & equipment for telecommunications networks; optical biosensors for drug discovery; and other advanced optics and specialty glass solutions for a number of industries including semiconductor, aerospace, defense, astronomy and metrology.
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Great story, but I've seen scratch tests that seem to indicate otherwise. Also, I'm surprised that they didn't announce this earlier. I lean 80% towards this being true, but not everything is adding up to me.
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Great story, but I've seen scratch tests that seem to indicate otherwise. Also, I'm surprised that they didn't announce this earlier. I lean 80% towards this being true, but not everything is adding up to me.
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Its a official press release so its true.... And even diamond can be scratched
Well, I was judging these relatively versus what I've seen from GG. Again, I'm just saying that not everything adding up. Keep in mind, there are maybe 6+ models and variations, perhaps we shouldn't look further into this than it being only the I9000 without further information. After all, the US carriers did gimp phones to save themselves some money whether on the front-end (storage) or back-end (tethering/ff camera).
Also, this could've been adopted late in the development cycle so the test I watched could've been using a previously spec'd screen (I think this is the least likely). It's not like Corning or a manufacturer to announce this late. They announced this on the Streak nearly a year before it hit the US, and at least 6 months before it hit EU. This is typically a big step up for a manufacturer and a good way for Corning to get themselves recognized and desired by consumers, meaning it's good marketing for them as well. No one loves GG more than the Engadgets & GSM Arena (leap of faith there), so at least getting bonus points from them when one of the "knocks" on the Galaxy S is the industrial design. Gorilla Glass plus plastic means the screen is as strong as can be and the casing can be replaced in case the phone took a brutal fall.
So, am I saying that this is false, no, I believe the story, I just take it with a grain of salt saying that unless they confirm it on the entire family line there might be something else hidden in the details (that's where they say the devil is, )...I'm probably just looking too far into this though. ...I'm just saying is all...
Still doesn't excuse Samsung for the poor design on the international version. By that I mean having the glass go all the way down and having it cut out for the home button making it a very weak point for cracking.
All reports I've read about SGS being cracked have been down there. Same happened to mine and the shock it got was so minor I didn't even realize or think the screen would get damaged. So those with that version of the SGS be careful.
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Still doesn't excuse Samsung for the poor design on the international version. By that I mean having the glass go all the way down and having it cut out for the home button making it a very weak point for cracking.
All reports I've read about SGS being cracked have been down there. Same happened to mine and the shock it got was so minor I didn't even realize or think the screen would get damaged. So those with that version of the SGS be careful.
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There are plenty of people whose glass hasn't cracked. Remember, Samsung have sold millions of these phones, and given enough people in a forum, many people will have the same problem. I don't think this is an inexcusable mistake, or poor design. There is a border protecting the glass (which seems to be made of metal), and it's tough glass.
It isn't designed as a rugged phone, and how common is this issue?
Just watch this video and see how fragile this device is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xASJobjD68
If you drop it during a conversation, say bye bye to this "gorilla glass".
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Just watch this video and see how fragile this device is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xASJobjD68
If you drop it during a conversation, say bye bye to this "gorilla glass".
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Are u kidding? Fragile? Looks like u didnt see the whole video.
no, it looks like you haven't...
Fatherboard said:
Just watch this video and see how fragile this device is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xASJobjD68
If you drop it during a conversation, say bye bye to this "gorilla glass".
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This isn't even worth debating. http://gizmodo.com/5571658/first-iphone-4-broken-after-one+foot-drop
You'd have to be an idiot to buy any smart phone if you are concerned about dropping it. The main benefit of Gorilla glass isn't protection (although, clearly it needs to handle everyday life), but to offer protection against scratches.. You wont have any problems if you don't drop it..
This has the tendency to happen. you guys are idiots if you think you bought a bulletproof device.
Haven't you ever dropped a cellphone during a conversation?... that's odd. I might have to replace my palms, then.
Err i think you might be the idiot mate, first you say its fragile and supply a link showing that the glass is actually quite strong (for a mobile) and then you say its no different to any other phone.
I work on a building site and i have no fears of damaging my screen although you would have to be a bit of a moron to have a phone like this and not put protection
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omg, no wonder you're working at a building site.
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This has the tendency to happen. you guys are idiots if you think you bought a bulletproof device.
Haven't you ever dropped a cellphone during a conversation?... that's odd. I might have to replace my palms, then.
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Disregard my comment, I misinterpreted your statement. Yes, I do agree it isn't unbreakable. The purpose of gorilla glass is mainly to withstand basic knocks, and scratches, not to be immune against scratches. It isn't designed to withstand drops.
Gorilla glass or not, I already have 2 little scratches..
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Gorilla glass or not, I already have 2 little scratches..
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I got 0 But it say's nothing, maybe if it was normal glass you would have 10 scratches, no one knows!
newsflash: Glass tends to scratch/break when recieving shock.
Doesn't matter in what device, if you drop it from ear-hight, it will crack. At least a bit.
I have to say i'm impressed such a hard glass plain didn't shatter even when falling from waist hight.
What about the glass that is covering the camera on the back? Any info about that? I put silicone on my SGS and still after some time I can see little tiny scraches on the glass cover.
It is quite funny in the beginning how the Iphone fan boy use to boast on the quality of Iphone that Iphone glasses are gorilla glass and samsung is not glass but plastics.
Now as more information are becoming available how the table have turned. I guess that will shut iphone fan boys up for a while.
What doesn't make sense is that why it takes so long for them to make the announcement when clearly, it could have boosted the sales.
Yea ill leave my zagg screen protector on ... knowing my luck the day i take the screen protector off. The bus or train im in will get into an accident and my phone will magically fly out of my pocket and land face first on a a screw on the ground.
The guys at gizmoSlip have performed the quintessential drop test.
Not much problems in case of a back drop.
Screen shattered on the front drop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yORiMT8DZoM
I guess it would be a good idea to buy a protective case after all!!
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Are people still surprised that dropping a pane of glass causes it to break, or do you think that Samsung is using magical glass that is not prone to breakage? Never really understood the utility of a drop test.
If the device is metal, it'll either dent or bend. If the device is plastic it will either survive unscathed or crack. If the impact is not directly on the glass, glass may or may not break depending on the force, angle, etc. If the impact is directly to the glass, it will break. There, I just described the drop test outcomes for every phone or tablet ever made.
It also depends on the design of the device itself. note II survived the drop test. So not all results are the same
Note II is also smaller and lighter, with less surface area. Still, it's a pretty safe bet that if you drop the device glass down onto a hard surface, it'll break. If it doesn't, you just got extremely lucky, but it's not because the Note 8 has stronger/weaker glass than ipad mini, note II, etc.
I agree, complete waste if money.
Its funny. Alot of Samsung mobile devices get marked down in reviews for their choice of materials used in their casings. This test shows that it is durable at least.
I dont think I know any iPhone users who havent cracked their screen at one point or another from even the smallest of drops and ones where the screen didnt even land face down. So much so that my younger brother seems to repair one from someone he knows every few months as a hobby (he is an engineering student at university and likes to tinker with things). I'm not particuarly anti Apple, but that always seems to be the bench mark which everything is judged
Interesting. I would not do that with my Note 8
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Sun_Bean said:
Interesting. I would not do that with my Note 8
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any recommend case ?
reliable and good case
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I'm using this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B4BEA82/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
It's an excellent case for only $7. All corners are protected except for the one where the pen sits
I unfortunatly did my own drop test! I had it in my outside suit pocket, and my bag pushed it out and fell from about 3.5 ft face down onto a NYC sidewalk. Fortunatly all that happened is the raised fray border got scratched/dented! Not cracks or scratches to screen! Plastic held up very well, almost had a heart atrack.
That one had a loose nack by sd slot, but found out after drop the whole back can be popped off. Hopefully someone will make some cool eubber/aluminim backs!
Since I had a loose back.
/usb port and backlight bleed, I returned for a fresh one! I want that stand pouch but cant find it online! Anyone seen it? I think this may be the same.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/samsung-stand-pouch-for-samsung-galaxy-note-8-0-grey-248537/
Anyway...the plastic and note are very durable!
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Its funny. Alot of Samsung mobile devices get marked down in reviews for their choice of materials used in their casings. This test shows that it is durable at least.
I dont think I know any iPhone users who havent cracked their screen at one point or another from even the smallest of drops and ones where the screen didnt even land face down. So much so that my younger brother seems to repair one from someone he knows every few months as a hobby (he is an engineering student at university and likes to tinker with things). I'm not particuarly anti Apple, but that always seems to be the bench mark which everything is judged
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It seems all I ever see are cracked iphones now that I think about it
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The front of every standard smartphone in the world is made out of glass. Glass has been known for being fragile for thousands of years. Anyone who claims that phone X is tougher than phone Y and tries to use that as an argument for or against a particular device is an idiot. I would say the same about people who buy devices just so they can make videos dropping them.
So Im still carrying my second one sans case..
Dropped TWO times yesterday, both about 4 ft off ground. Both times it lands face down, perfectly landing on the lip on the bezel(makes a real hefty noise). Barely a dent(tile and hard floor). I really think the glass is a hybrid with plastic, i didnt even get worried( this is 4 drop already)
Plastic=DURABLE
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... i didnt even get worried( this is 4 drop already) ...
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Wow!!! You must have nerves of steel! That kind of thing would freak me out!
But good to know your Note 8 has been surviving just fine.
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The front of every standard smartphone in the world is made out of glass. Glass has been known for being fragile for thousands of years. Anyone who claims that phone X is tougher than phone Y and tries to use that as an argument for or against a particular device is an idiot. I would say the same about people who buy devices just so they can make videos dropping them.
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I agree that if you drop any phone on its front then your likely to damage the screen as it is fragile. My arguement is that some phones are more fragile than others if you drop them on the side (iphone) as the way that the case is designed (although sturdy to hold) transfers alot of the force onto the screen rather than has any "give" to absorb some of the impact.
Who's paying for these worthless tests buying new devices and breaking them. Please send me the money instead we already know how to break phone screens
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It also depends on the design of the device itself. note II survived the drop test. So not all results are the same
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Don't think so.
hurts my heart to see this
Just killed one, dropped right on corner to tile. LCD display went black with white bars.
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Just killed one, dropped right on corner to tile. LCD display went black with white bars.
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That's awful! Very sorry for you. It can be so gut wrenching to lose a great (and expensive!) device in an instant like that.
God i wish a mass group of us can write an email to Corning and let them know how distasteful it is to show videos of drops doing NO damage to show how tough Gorilla Glass 4 is. The glass will crack if it lands on any of the corners of the phone and will need to be replaced. Here is a drop video of a naked S6, it's cued to take you straight to the action. Notice that last drop, completely renders the display unusable
Naked S6 drop test
EDIT: Here is the Corning video of their in-house drop test and how they make it seem tough enough to withstand drops without a case:
Corning GG4 lab tests
I am not saying it's supposed to be break proof but I saw this Corning glass video last month and really thought the S6 screens would be much tougher, not completely invincible of course.
Why email Corning??? They didn't make Samsung put it on both front and back of the phone. And yes its still glass so its going to be able to he broke. There is no way that they can make glass break proof on a phone.
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God i wish a mass group of us can write an email to Corning and let them know how distasteful it is to show videos of drops doing NO damage to show how tough Gorilla Glass 4 is. The glass will crack if it lands on any of the corners of the phone and will need to be replaced. Here is a drop video of a naked S6, it's cued to take you straight to the action. Notice that last drop, completely renders the display unusable
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Their whole marketing is that it's STRONGER than regular glass, not unbreakable.
I doubt anyone on a forum of this caliber thought that because Corning put their name and "tech" on glass it's going to stop acting like glass.
Glass is glass. Glass is fragile. Glass often breaks on impact.
There's nothing interesting, surprising, or scandalous here.
As far as I know Corning has never made the claim that Gorilla Glass is unbreakable, only that it's super scratch resistant. This thread is dumb.
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I doubt anyone on a forum of this caliber thought that because Corning put their name and "tech" on glass it's going to stop acting like glass.
Glass is glass. Glass is fragile. Glass often breaks on impact.
There's nothing interesting, surprising, or scandalous here.
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I think you're giving XDA just a little too much credit with that 1st statement. Just saying But really anyone who thinks the glass on this phone is impervious to cracking needs to lower their expectations. While being much more reinforced it's definetely prone to cracking. Which is why I have a slim clear case on mine. I had an iPhone 4 and having a device with a crack on the rear stinks.
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I think you're giving XDA just a little too much credit with that 1st statement. Just saying But really anyone who thinks the glass on this phone is impervious to cracking needs to lower their expectations. While being much more reinforced it's definetely prone to cracking. Which is why I have a slim clear case on mine. I had an iPhone 4 and having a device with a crack on the rear stinks.
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You might be right there. Though to be fair, back when I first started posting/lurking here, it would have been a pretty accurate statement lol. Mind you, this was actually my second XDA account
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God i wish a mass group of us can write an email to Corning and let them know how distasteful it is to show videos of drops doing NO damage to show how tough Gorilla Glass 4 is. The glass will crack if it lands on any of the corners of the phone and will need to be replaced. Here is a drop video of a naked S6, it's cued to take you straight to the action. Notice that last drop, completely renders the display unusable
Naked S6 drop test
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For any droptest to hold real merit they should have used an undamaged S6 for each individual drop. An already cracked screen being dropped on it's face breaks the entire screen? Wow, I did not expect that...
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God i wish a mass group of us can write an email to Corning and let them know how distasteful it is to show videos of drops doing NO damage to show how tough Gorilla Glass 4 is. The glass will crack if it lands on any of the corners of the phone and will need to be replaced. Here is a drop video of a naked S6, it's cued to take you straight to the action. Notice that last drop, completely renders the display unusable
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You seem surprised that glass breaks?
Gorilla Glass 4, New name, Butterfly Glass.
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You seem surprised that glass breaks?
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No i'm shocked the way they made it seem how touch GG4 is with the lab tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ObyPq-OmO0
I've seen other drop tests not sponsored by case/accessory manufacturers that show a much hardier device. The S6 edge has been dropped <6' without any glass damage in all the other drop tests I've seen.
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No i'm shocked the way they made it seem how touch GG4 is with the lab tests: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ObyPq-OmO0
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So you want to see some videos of it surviving drops, is that it?
Knock yourself out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpsyGweP5so
Keep in mind the following: glass is not unbreakable.
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So you want to see some videos of it surviving drops, is that it?
Knock yourself out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpsyGweP5so
Keep in mind the following: glass is not unbreakable.
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you're completely creating an incorrect assumption of my main point which is their marketing made gg4 look much more stronger to drops than in real life videos and its misleading. your cheap, sarcastic quips don't do much for me
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you're completely creating an incorrect assumption of my main point which is their marketing made gg4 look much more stronger to drops than in real life videos and its misleading. your cheap, sarcastic quips don't do much for me
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But what is it that you want to see happen? A petition? What's the end-game here for you?
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But what is it that you want to see happen? A petition? What's the end-game here for you?
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acknowledgement to the masses of Corning's marketing being misleading, to make it seem that it is impervious to cracks when dropped. to not let others believe the hype due to Corning's marketing
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acknowledgement to the masses of Corning's marketing being misleading
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Acknowledgement by Corning? If that's your end-game, I would give up right now as you'll be wasting your time and energy.
chillsen said:
to make it seem that it is impervious to cracks when dropped
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The video, that you, yourself linked to, specifically says:
- "Glass performance depends on device design, drop height and landing surface"
- "Our new formulation survives real-world drops on rough surfaces up to twice as often as competitive glass designs when dropped from one metre"
- (under the demonstrated test mechanism)"Withstands breakage 80% of the time".
Now how, specifically, in that video, do you feel you have been misled by any of the claims made?
Also keep in mind that Corning is not responsible for how any given manufacturer's design uses their glass.
Poetique said:
You might be right there. Though to be fair, back when I first started posting/lurking here, it would have been a pretty accurate statement lol. Mind you, this was actually my second XDA account
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When I first came here when I had my S2 I would had agreed lol.
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I think you're giving XDA just a little too much credit with that 1st statement. Just saying
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There's about a half dozen threads saying that this phone is secretly waterproof because some asshat tossed it in a bowl of water and it didn't die until the water leaked in. Remember, the masses are asses, and there's no limit to how stupid people can be.
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Corning GG4 lab tests
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Thanks for that video, pretty cool watching their testing equipment. Shame about the rest of your post being pointless and annoyingly full of paranoia.
Hah.. ParANOIA. Lame but still has more entertainment value than your post.
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There's about a half dozen threads saying that this phone is secretly waterproof because some asshat tossed it in a bowl of water and it didn't die until the water leaked in. Remember, the masses are asses, and there's no limit to how stupid people can be.
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Yeah I saw that video. My thoughts were this: Yeah my car is crash proof until it crashes. At which time it can be fixed and then it is crash proof again.
Exactly the same theory to that video.. He puts it in water and soon enough it dies because of the water, then he takes it out and dries it off and soon enough it works again.
So we were moving my bed and the mattress was put on side. The mattress is roughly 7 inches high and the phone was a bit on its side, so it slipped and fell on side. I even saw it fall, the curved glass hit the floor first. (Theyre marble tiles) I kept it there, thinking oh its a minor fall, Ill take it when I am back.
I come back and pick it up and I see a crack. I think its a hair or something. But it was a crack!!! It cracked over a 6 inch mini drop with no impact whatsoever. It was in a Spigen Air Cushion case as well.
I have no words. You may see it here: http://imgur.com/a/7xi4C
Luckily the crack in invisible when screen is on but omg wtf. Gorilla Glass my ass. I am selling it off on eBay or whatever when they replace it. Which I hope they will. For free. I am so not paying. I dont even care if I sell at a loss.
Literally fed up with this phone.
Wow, that's sux
How in the world the drop tests are fairly good from waist and head level high, but unbelievable bad at real life accident.
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It's glas....it cracks.!?! " I am not paying"..."I am fed up"...better don't drop it lol)
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Pretty unfortunate seeing as the screen has been tested over and over again in videos of dropping it. That's what insurance is for, though. I imagine it won't be cheap to repair!
A shame that it cracked from such a low drop, but this much isn't Samsung's fault:
So we were moving my bed and the mattress was put on side. The mattress is roughly 7 inches high and the phone was a bit on its side, so it slipped and fell on side. I even saw it fall, the curved glass hit the floor first. (Theyre marble tiles) I kept it there, thinking oh its a minor fall, Ill take it when I am back.
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There are safer places to put an expensive electronic device while rearranging furniture.
I don't think it's about whose fault this is, accident happens, sometimes people aren't careful enough, sometimes **** just happened.
On the drop tests, it's rated pretty good, which should reflect on real life in theory. But again, another factor also matters, angle of drops, whether the screen itself has a drop before or not, or maybe a dud, we don't know.
It's just under normal circumstances, it shouldn't crack at 6 inched drop, period, especially for gorilla glass 4, that supposedly to be as strong as superman, except the only weakness is to its kryptonite, its own clear view case from Samsung... Cough cough
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So we were moving my bed and the mattress was put on side. The mattress is roughly 7 inches high and the phone was a bit on its side, so it slipped and fell on side. I even saw it fall, the curved glass hit the floor first. (Theyre marble tiles) I kept it there, thinking oh its a minor fall, Ill take it when I am back.
I come back and pick it up and I see a crack. I think its a hair or something. But it was a crack!!! It cracked over a 6 inch mini drop with no impact whatsoever. It was in a Spigen Air Cushion case as well.
I have no words. You may see it here: http://imgur.com/a/7xi4C
Luckily the crack in invisible when screen is on but omg wtf. Gorilla Glass my ass. I am selling it off on eBay or whatever when they replace it. Which I hope they will. For free. I am so not paying. I dont even care if I sell at a loss.
Literally fed up with this phone.
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Your phone fell on a tile floor and you're expecting to get it replaced for free? good luck with that
Samsung never claimed it cracked or break resistant!
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First of all, if you're referring to the Spigen Ultra Hybrid case, it frankly probably helped it break. There's too much play in the case, so the device itself already moves around and some drops would result in somewhat of a secondary impact. That's why I can't wait to get rid of mine. The Neo Hybrid/CC is a better bet if you don't mind the design.
Secondly, there's no such thing as a "mini drop with no impact" when you're talking about a device weighing nearly half a pound (with case) encased in glass hitting one of the hardest surfaces (marble) it could possibly fall on. Not to mention I doubt it was only 6 inches (which you stated was 7 inches initially) from the ground; unless your mattress was on the floor, and it wasn't at all lifted when you were moving it.
Finally, glass hitting from a side or corner is never minor. The only drops that qualify as "minor" are flat drops onto soft surfaces. Other than that, you should be expecting a break unless you have a proper case (meaning one that -entirely- encases the device). Will it always break? Of course not. But you should expect that it will nonetheless.
There's nothing unusual that occurred here. This accident is entirely your fault. Gorilla GLASS is still glass, and glass tends to break when it hits something. Especially other hard surfaces.
It's pretty humorous how unrealistic people's expectations of glass has become just because somebody put the word "gorilla" in front of it. If Corning starts selling Gorilla Paper, I'm betting somebody would probably cover themself in it and expect to be bulletproof.
Corning I expect 5% of the profits if you use that for an idea.
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So we were moving my bed and the mattress was put on side. The mattress is roughly 7 inches high and the phone was a bit on its side, so it slipped and fell on side. I even saw it fall, the curved glass hit the floor first. (Theyre marble tiles) I kept it there, thinking oh its a minor fall, Ill take it when I am back.
I come back and pick it up and I see a crack. I think its a hair or something. But it was a crack!!! It cracked over a 6 inch mini drop with no impact whatsoever. It was in a Spigen Air Cushion case as well.
I have no words. You may see it here: http://imgur.com/a/7xi4C
Luckily the crack in invisible when screen is on but omg wtf. Gorilla Glass my ass. I am selling it off on eBay or whatever when they replace it. Which I hope they will. For free. I am so not paying. I dont even care if I sell at a loss.
Literally fed up with this phone.
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You need to learn how physics works. You dropped your phone. It's your fault. Samsung should not, and will not, replace this phone for free. You ****ed up. You pay for it. It could have happened with any phone.
sorry to hear that man. maybe you just got unlucky because i dropped mines from about 6 feet high onto concrete without a case... and literally didnt have a scratch on it. overall ive had a great experience with this phone (even though i still liked my s5 better...)
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So we were moving my bed and the mattress was put on side. The mattress is roughly 7 inches high and the phone was a bit on its side, so it slipped and fell on side. I even saw it fall, the curved glass hit the floor first. (Theyre marble tiles) I kept it there, thinking oh its a minor fall, Ill take it when I am back.
I come back and pick it up and I see a crack. I think its a hair or something. But it was a crack!!! It cracked over a 6 inch mini drop with no impact whatsoever. It was in a Spigen Air Cushion case as well.
I have no words. You may see it here: http://imgur.com/a/7xi4C
Luckily the crack in invisible when screen is on but omg wtf. Gorilla Glass my ass. I am selling it off on eBay or whatever when they replace it. Which I hope they will. For free. I am so not paying. I dont even care if I sell at a loss.
Literally fed up with this phone.
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I predict a ton of people with this complaint. I have the Edge, the large curved screen seems particularly vulnerable. I fear the day I drop mine.
CafeKampuchia said:
A shame that it cracked from such a low drop, but this much isn't Samsung's fault:
There are safer places to put an expensive electronic device while rearranging furniture.
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I agree, partially my fault.
thegrants82 said:
Your phone fell on a tile floor and you're expecting to get it replaced for free? good luck with that
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Alright, chill. Most of you going all defensive on Samsungs side, wait for it to happen to you. Sure I placed it somewhere I shouldnt have but it was NOT that high. It should be able to deal with that small a drop, period.
i cracked mine week 2 of owning and been running naked for many years with my other phones and never cracked a screen. just thought i would let you know your not alone and i got an insurance replacement.
it was my fault and only angry at myself but i will say that i have dropped many other phones with no issue so maybe its an easier phone to crack or maybe i hit it just right.
i read a post from a guy that dropped his from his moving 18 wheeler tractor and with no case and it barely had a scratch so who knows.
I dropped mine from about 5 feet height last week and there is not a single scratch. . Luckily it landes on the bottom speaker grills side.. screen would have been a different story...phew.. I would still not use a duly case.. This phone is too hot to put a case on.. if the screen shatters, I would get it replaced. .lol
You really need to understand what hardened glass means, it does not - by any measure - mean it's harder to breaks, as a matter of fact it might actually be easier to break than regular glass. However hardened glass is harder to scratch - which is also the main focus.
So please don't blame either Samsung or Corning for the glass to behave exactly as expected...
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I never used Samsung because they Use cheap quality,After see good product comes in market they slightly price down the product
Mainaharen said:
I never used Samsung because they Use cheap quality,After see good product comes in market they slightly price down the product
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[emoji58] this thread needs to die. OP needs to be a big boy and get over it. "Stuff" happens, deal with it.
Yeah. I agree with FluffyR.
What's the purpose of this thread? The OP damaged the thing and want to blame Samsung for it? I don't get it...
@Mainaharen. The so called cheap quality /plastics that Samsung used till the S5 prevented even such damages....
You cannot change the physics of glass/metal....
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for all the G4 owner...better use a case or handle your G4 nicely..dont ever let it drop...1 single drop is all it take to cracked your screen
Gorilla Glass 3 is what the G4 uses. I have the S5 and it also has the GG3. I have dropped my phone multiple times and thrown it (with case) and it has not cracked. You either got a cheap overseas phone or faulty GG. This is why you use cases..
i guess you were unlucky. I dropped mine a couple of times on the corner, damaged the corner but never cracked the screen. Didn't have a case on the leather back. But now i prefer a nice thin case (spigen) which protects everything the way it should has a good grip and i added a reinforced tempered glass. So i am secured ... for the moment.
Dennisg34 said:
Gorilla Glass 3 is what the G4 uses. I have the S5 and it also has the GG3. I have dropped my phone multiple times and thrown it (with case) and it has not cracked. You either got a cheap overseas phone or faulty GG. This is why you use cases..
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yes...i have G3 and drop 2 times...no issue..
but this G4...only once is what it take to shatter the corner of the screen~
doki81 said:
for all the G4 owner...better use a case or handle your G4 nicely..dont ever let it drop...1 single drop is all it take to cracked your screen
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How is this screen the "worst" just because you dropped it?
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How is this screen the "worst" just because you dropped it?
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it's the worst for my experience as i have use quite some phone before and G4 is the most lousier screen ever..1 drop and gone..
Dude, it depends from multiple factors... The way the phone falls, the way he knocks on the ground, the forcestrike ... Sometimes just happens on a certain fall by certains elements that the impact factors made him crack, it could happen to any phone. Doesn't mean he's bad and just breaks right after the first fall. And btw, using a case is always advised in a high end phone unless you're rich and you don't care about buying another one or repair it.
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Dude, it depends from multiple factors... The way the phone falls, the way he knocks on the ground, the forcestrike ... Sometimes just happens on a certain fall by certains elements that the impact factors made him crack, it could happen to any phone. Doesn't mean he's bad and just breaks right after the first fall. And btw, using a case is always advised in a high end phone unless you're rich and you don't care about buying another one or repair it.
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How do you know his phone wasn't a girl? lol
you have all our sympathy, you must be devastated, I know I would be.
it's really down to luck when you drop a phone, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't, it's happened to me with other phones and I've ended up spending a fortune getting them repaired because I cant live with a defect on something I use so much.
I'd love to see a manufacturer make the gorilla glass user replaceable, just like a screen protector. I personally always add a toughened glass screen protector and i'm sure a lot of people do, so all the effort phone makers go to to make their phones the slimmest and sleekest are in vain, as we then have to cover them up, because essentially they are a really expensive and fragile piece of equipment that's not easily repaired !
The glass is the same glass used on 99% of other smartphones. Just bad luck. The way it fell, the angle it hit the ground.
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The glass is the same glass used on 99% of other smartphones. Just bad luck. The way it fell, the angle it hit the ground.
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mine flew off from my pants pocket and it fly out horizontally when i came out from car...and then it landed on the top left corner
1st i notice a small chip off on the frame but no crack...the 2nd day morning.the crack on the top corner happen.. :crying:
i check with the service center and the glass and frame together will cost about sgd190 before tax.
I swear people must have butter in their hands, I've had my Nexus 4 for 2.5 years, never dropped it, not one scratch on the front screen. If you care about your phone, look after it
That must be some kind of record though, exactly one week after launch and it's damaged, although I supposed the guy in the video who got the iPhone and dropped it while showing the news reporter it
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I swear people must have butter in their hands, I've had my Nexus 4 for 2.5 years, never dropped it, not one scratch on the front screen. If you care about your phone, look after it
That must be some kind of record though, exactly one week after launch and it's damaged, although I supposed the guy in the video who got the iPhone and dropped it while showing the news reporter it
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i guess my hand dont have much butter...didnt know who put the butter in my pocket
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mine flew off from my pants pocket and it fly out horizontally when i came out from car...and then it landed on the top left corner
1st i notice a small chip off on the frame but no crack...the 2nd day morning.the crack on the top corner happen.. :crying:
i check with the service center and the glass and frame together will cost about sgd190 before tax.
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It flew out of your pants.. The impact is too huge for the phone to handle. You are lucky that the whole screen is not cracked..
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mine flew off from my pants pocket and it fly out horizontally when i came out from car...and then it landed on the top left corner
1st i notice a small chip off on the frame but no crack...the 2nd day morning.the crack on the top corner happen.. :crying:
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I notice you have a flip cover on it. Do you remember when it fell whether the flip cover was covering the screen or did it open and allow the screen to contact the ground first ?
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Dude, it depends from multiple factors... The way the phone falls, the way he knocks on the ground, the forcestrike ... Sometimes just happens on a certain fall by certains elements that the impact factors made him crack, it could happen to any phone. Doesn't mean he's bad and just breaks right after the first fall. And btw, using a case is always advised in a high end phone unless you're rich and you don't care about buying another one or repair it.
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The phone as a slight bend to it by design. does this mean the screen also has a bend or is it completely flat ?
I feel for you my friend - I know how it is just when you get a new phone. It happens. Get it fixed. Or try and sell it on eBay and buy another. It will cost you but it happens. The pain will pass.
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Yeah never liked flip covers for this reason
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I notice you have a flip cover on it. Do you remember when it fell whether the flip cover was covering the screen or did it open and allow the screen to contact the ground first ?
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The phone as a slight bend to it by design. does this mean the screen also has a bend or is it completely flat ?
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The phone has a complete slight bend on all his body.
Love threads like this.
Phone is garbage!11!1
Why?
I dropped it and it broke!
lol
But too be fair the G4 screen really isnt that impressive