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T-mobile updating 16 devices to faster speed!?

OK so I just payed my bill at my local T-mobile store, and I saw a poster saying 16 tmobile devices will have 4g capability or something in those words... So I asked the tmobile employee what the poster is all about. He said there are 16 devices that tmobile will be updating so they can have faster 3g or 4g speed.... He said for vibrant the 3g should get faster but its not going to be 4g sicnce it doesnt have the capability to be 4g...... plus Vibrant was one of those phones on the poster as well as other smart phones.
No Im not trying to spam or create new rumors. Im actually a newb in these threads and was curious if anyone heard of this.... Or if it has anything to do with second update that some people are receiving?
As the employee said expect ota update that would increase the speed

they're updating the network, not the actual devices. the vibrant is technically capable of 7.2Mbps downloads, but you can only find those speeds in a few places right now

lolcopter said:
they're updating the network, not the actual devices. the vibrant is technically capable of 7.2Mbps downloads, but you can only find those speeds in a few places right now
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well im pretty confused by all this myself but.. Since they have the tmobile official posters in their tmobile stores it means it has to be pretty soon.. w.e it is...
I just went and tested my speed with speedtest.net app and it shows 2284kbps download and 1337 upload.... is it suppose to be even faster soon?

I may be wrong but I believe you guys are misunderstanding the posters.
I think this is what T-Mobile is trying to say.
All current 3G phones will get a speed boost once your area has been fully upgraded to HSPA+ Although most phones that T-Mobile currently carries are not HSPA+ except for the G2 and MyTouch 4G, these non-HSPA+ phones will still benefit from HSPA+ network upgrades.
Make sense?
Also T-Mobiles 4G network is NOT 4G, False advertising. Same with Sprint Wimax.

SamsungVibrant said:
Also T-Mobiles 4G network is NOT 4G, False advertising. Same with Sprint Wimax.
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According to ITU, none of the American carriers have 4G. Go search engadget for ITU for the source (would post the link, but I don't have enough posts yet).
HSPA+ is capable of the same download speeds as the "true 4G" networks, of which there are NONE in the US. It's not false advertising, it's perfectly honest advertising.

Either way...no one is promising 4g speed to vibrant... Just faster 3g... Did anyone great of this? Coz I dont want to start a thread where people are arguimg what 4g is and what its not... And I live in NYC... So I believe 4g towers are set up here already.. Tmobile rep confused the crap out of me... As they usually do... Can't even understand their own advertisement
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thats interesting because at my work for the last year I could only get about 900kbps down and 300 up. For some reason for the last 3 weeks I could not keep a solid connection even though the 3g symbol was present. I thought it was my vibrant or the rom I had flashed the night before (rom junkie) but two of my employees have Tmobile as well and they were experiencing the same thing. All of a sudden as of Saturday I am now getting speeds in the 4mb range and its freaking awesome. I have another employee with a 4g Evo and I kill him everytime. Go Tmobile! Vibrant w/4g speeds and now froyo and wifi calling= the best Android phone on the market.

Your statements contradict eachother!
Thegreatheed said:
According to ITU, none of the American carriers have 4G. Go search engadget for ITU for the source (would post the link, but I don't have enough posts yet).
HSPA+ is capable of the same download speeds as the "true 4G" networks, of which there are NONE in the US. It's not false advertising, it's perfectly honest advertising.
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I never said any of the US carriers currently have 4G. In fact, I said exactly what you stated. I said neither Sprint's Wimax, nor T-Mobiles HSPA+ is 4G.
Also your statements contradict each other. You claim according to the ITU, no us carrier has 4G, yet T-Mobile advertising as the "largest 4G network" in the nation is honest advertising? HUH? LOL, do you not see the contradiction in your own statements?
How can you be the largest 4G network, if according to you, the ITU says no US carriers have 4G at the current moment. As a result, any carrier claiming they have 4G would be falsely advertising such said information.
I'm sorry but it shocks me when people overlook the obvious, how can you write a statement and contradict yourself?
btw hspa+ SPEEDS are not true 4G speeds.

short answer, they upgrade network we benefit.

Thegreatheed said:
According to ITU, none of the American carriers have 4G. Go search engadget for ITU for the source (would post the link, but I don't have enough posts yet).
HSPA+ is capable of the same download speeds as the "true 4G" networks, of which there are NONE in the US. It's not false advertising, it's perfectly honest advertising.
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It is absolutely FALSE advertising. 4G networks are IMT ADVANCED based, which includes LTE Advanced and WiMax Advanced. This means that ABSOLUTELY zero networks in the world are, and in the next year or two, ever will be 4G. To be a 4G solution, it has to be a 100% IP (aka packet switched with absolutely NO circuit switched voice) based solution. Also, do I need to mention that the "true" 4G speeds you are talking about, are slow in comparison to what IMT Advanced based architectures will be.
AlexSochi8 said:
Either way...no one is promising 4g speed to vibrant... Just faster 3g... Did anyone great of this? Coz I dont want to start a thread where people are arguimg what 4g is and what its not... And I live in NYC... So I believe 4g towers are set up here already.. Tmobile rep confused the crap out of me... As they usually do... Can't even understand their own advertisement
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As mentioned they are not 4G. Plain and simple. T-Mobile has made it VERY clear that they are not currently seeking any LTE plans for the very near future, and as such, are rolling out HSPA+ in an effort to increase the speeds at a (relatively) low cost. Due to the fact that Sprint is using the 4G moniker, and advertising speeds similar to what T-Mobile will have on offer (using HSPA+), they are doing the same bull**** marketing that Sprint is.
If you want me to cite some info, I can.

lolcopter said:
they're updating the network, not the actual devices. the vibrant is technically capable of 7.2Mbps downloads, but you can only find those speeds in a few places right now
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So as soon as they fully install the faster network in New York City then i will be able to get up to 7.2mbps on vibrant?
I kinda doubt that since now at very best I get 2.2mbps in a very tower rich city
That would make vibrant internet speed upto 3.5 times faster? Is that really likely?
If that is then Froyo + faster internet is all i can dream of!

AlexSochi8 said:
So as soon as they fully install the faster network in New York City then i will be able to get up to 7.2mbps on vibrant?
I kinda doubt that since now at very best I get 2.2mbps in a very tower rich city
That would make vibrant internet speed upto 3.5 times faster? Is that really likely?
If that is then Froyo + faster internet is all i can dream of!
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There are reports of getting as high as 15Mbps in areas with a good HSPA+ coverage on the G2. I presume that 7Mbps, or near there should be very achievable on our phones.

gehzumteufel said:
There are reports of getting as high as 15Mbps in areas with a good HSPA+ coverage on the G2. I presume that 7Mbps, or near there should be very achievable on our phones.
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thats pretty amazing then... then I wouldnt complain about some phones having "4G" speed

gehzumteufel said:
It is absolutely FALSE advertising. 4G networks are IMT ADVANCED based, which includes LTE Advanced and WiMax Advanced. This means that ABSOLUTELY zero networks in the world are, and in the next year or two, ever will be 4G. To be a 4G solution, it has to be a 100% IP (aka packet switched with absolutely NO circuit switched voice) based solution. Also, do I need to mention that the "true" 4G speeds you are talking about, are slow in comparison to what IMT Advanced based architectures will be.
As mentioned they are not 4G. Plain and simple. T-Mobile has made it VERY clear that they are not currently seeking any LTE plans for the very near future, and as such, are rolling out HSPA+ in an effort to increase the speeds at a (relatively) low cost. Due to the fact that Sprint is using the 4G moniker, and advertising speeds similar to what T-Mobile will have on offer (using HSPA+), they are doing the same bull**** marketing that Sprint is.
If you want me to cite some info, I can.
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I agree with you in one respect, ITU ruled that HSPA+ is not a 4G network. However, what with Sprint and their false advertising, it's easy to see why T-Mobile would label their data network as 4G for one reason. The same towers that are being upgraded to the theoretical max of 21mbps have the capacity for even higher speeds. Up to 168mbps actually, if you want to get specific. All on the towers they already have. Pretty much explains their decision to forgo LTE for the time being huh? So while yes, their network isn't a "true" 4G network, no one can argue that they're lying about achieving 4G and higher speeds (even higher than WiMax).

well i hope the reception will be better. i'm fine with a download speed of 2-3 mbps as long as it's stable. I have to stay on one corner of our house to have a 3G.

Homestar1217 said:
I agree with you in one respect, ITU ruled that HSPA+ is not a 4G network. However, what with Sprint and their false advertising, it's easy to see why T-Mobile would label their data network as 4G for one reason. The same towers that are being upgraded to the theoretical max of 21mbps have the capacity for even higher speeds. Up to 168mbps actually, if you want to get specific. All on the towers they already have. Pretty much explains their decision to forgo LTE for the time being huh? So while yes, their network isn't a "true" 4G network, no one can argue that they're lying about achieving 4G and higher speeds (even higher than WiMax).
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They are absolutely lying. You can't achieve, from a device, anything above a theoretical maximum of 84Mbps with bonding AND MIMO. Otherwise, you are stick at 42Mbps with JUST boding, and 21.5 with no bonding or MIMO. 4G is officially designated at 100Mbps while moving at high speed and 1Gbps while static. You aren't going to see bonding and MIMO at all, because that requires a HUGE increase in the backhaul capabilities (100GbE minimum), and all new antennas and base stations. This is just not happening.
iynfynity said:
well i hope the reception will be better. i'm fine with a download speed of 2-3 mbps as long as it's stable. I have to stay on one corner of our house to have a 3G.
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T-Mobile has been significantly improving their coverage area over the last 5 years, and it is far better than when I first had it. In due time, they will cover most of the US.

yeah, Edge is good for me but of course 3G is what i'm paying for so i hope that the reception will be better in my place.

My speed on my stock Vibrant seems to have improved just recently. Sitting inside my house in the Seattle area tonight the Speedtest.net app gave results of: 5.3-5.4 Mbps down and 1.6-1.7 Mbps up. That was the range for several successive trials. The weird thing was that when I laid the phone down on my desk, the speed dropped down to about 3.2 Mbps down and 0.70 Mbps up. When I picked it up and held it in my hand again, the speed climbed right back up to the higher range, which I verified several times. Coincidence, or could there be some body-phone-antenna thing going on?

ZX3ZX4 said:
My speed on my stock Vibrant seems to have improved just recently. Sitting inside my house in the Seattle area tonight the Speedtest.net app gave results of: 5.3-5.4 Mbps down and 1.6-1.7 Mbps up. That was the range for several successive trials. The weird thing was that when I laid the phone down on my desk, the speed dropped down to about 3.2 Mbps down and 0.70 Mbps up. When I picked it up and held it in my hand again, the speed climbed right back up to the higher range, which I verified several times. Coincidence, or could there be some body-phone-antenna thing going on?
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No, your phone is probably cycling through two different towers. Check to see if your CID changes (Ever) in your home.

AlexSochi8 said:
So as soon as they fully install the faster network in New York City then i will be able to get up to 7.2mbps on vibrant?
I kinda doubt that since now at very best I get 2.2mbps in a very tower rich city
That would make vibrant internet speed upto 3.5 times faster? Is that really likely?
If that is then Froyo + faster internet is all i can dream of!
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By my old place in Brooklyn I was getting up to 5Mbs down back in July, but my apartment was like a Faraday Cage, by my folks in Brooklyn I am constantly getting up to 5.5Mbs, and at my new place in South Brooklyn I am back to harsh reality with 1.1Mbs at best.
These are the download speeds, upload is usually stays the same at around 1.3Mbs

HSPA+ and the ATRIX - Email from my Corp. AT&T Rep.

My email to her is below. But here is her response. So just hold it out people. It is coming. The phone supports it. AT&T just needs to "Turn it on"
Hi Donnie,
This means that the 4g Atrix is going to be ABLE to use the 4G service once it is available however, we do not have the service alive yet therefore you will not get those speeds at this time. We are proactively working on getting the network upgraded. Houston is a HOT spot for this project so I know it will not be long.
Thank you,
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Email i sent to my at&t rep who handles my corp account of about 150 phones.
According to ATT Website the Atrix, supports “4G” By using HSPA+. Houston is a HSPA+ market, but we have been unable to HSPA+ service.
We contacted CS and they said it was prolly a down tower. But I do a lot of driving and know that one tower would not affect all of Houston. So we hit up Google, and the results are disturbing. Motorola says it does not support HSPA+. Yet att website says it does. Many sites say that AT&T has disabled it. We need to know the truth. We bought this phone because it is listed as a 4G phone, but it seems we were misled. If you would please research this and shed some light on the matter.
https://supportforums.motorola.com/message/331802#331802
http://www.att.com/network/assets/maps/Houston.html
Thanks,
Donnie
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More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.

Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.

clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.

Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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DrakenAlTi said:
Hey Donnie,
Had pretty much the same question for my Rep yesterday. Let me go ahead and say that I've yet to go to a market that is HSPA+ with my Atrix; my rep doesn't have one yet, she has an Inspire. She has been in "4G" market coverage where her phone shows 4+, the indication for 4G, and it's faster than her IP3 but not 2x as fast as 4G is supposed to be.
She told me that some markets are "4G" but only in the sense that they are running at 3.1 Mbps, which according to the FCC qualifies, hence At&t saying they have no 4G coverage. 4G being 7.2 Mbps.
She also informed me that At&t is not pushing 4G upgrades so much as they are pushing LTE upgrades, which according to her can run 5x as fast as 4G?
Sorry for the rambling, but I thought you might like that information.
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Wow really? Theyre not pushing 4g, theyre pushing lte? LTE is 4g. What att is calling 4g now is not 4g its 3g with overhaul. 7.2 mbps? The iphone 3gs could theoretically achieve these speeds but not on att. I like the atrix bht i didnt buy it for (4g) speeds. NO NETWORK HAS TRUE 4G!!!!!!
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donniesd said:
Again at&t will enable it when they want to go live with it. Point is Atrix, supports it. And will when the network is ready.
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We are talking about basic 3g they are disabling here ....nothing to do with hspa+.....
But you can believe whatever you want if it makes you feel better.

I know we're not getting HSPA+ speeds, but there's something even more. I have yet to see someone get more than 400Kbps UPLINK.
This is not just on AT&T.
Can someone ask an AT&T Rep about THAT!

Odd how my Captivate has HSUPA speeds yet my brother's Atrix doesn't... So much for the speeds not being available...

clubtech said:
More BS from AT&T.
HSUPA is DISABLED on this device and i don't care how many lies at&t will try to push to cover this up.
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HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.

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Not sure what counts as hspa+ speeds but im getting 4.5 mbps down where im sitting right now
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that is great speeds... im in an area where there is no H+ yet, in greensbroo NC but Charlotte NC has it and we a re the next to get it in NC... and i am getting 3.8 but without the HUSPA, we are getting .3/.4 uploads... no matter how fast our DL's are without an upload to match it... those speeds are kinda pointless

"HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. ...
HSPA+ isn't enabled because"
Well, my phone shows "H+" up top, indicating it is enabled in this area. But AT&T has some clever ideas about hardware deployment. When I called to ask about some problems last year the rep said "Oh, I see there are a number of degraded towers in your area, that could be the problem." "Is there anything else I can help you with today?"
I said "Yes, can you give me Verizon's number? I'd like to ask them how there towers are." <WEG>
Hey, I know one's no better than the other in the big picture. But lord, does the FTC need to make the cellcos ALL COME CLEAN and stop the lies.

Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
"Question:
What is this "H+" icon on my phone's screen?
Answer:
The "H+" icon is a network indicator. When present, it lets you know that your phone is operating on our 3G or 4G network (where available). "
"Question:
How will I know if I'm on the 4G network vs. your 3G network? Is there any visual indicator on the phone's screen itself?
Answer:
While there is no visual indicator on the phone's screen that differentiates the difference between 3G and 4G data speeds, when experiencing 4G speeds your videos and streaming movies will download/play even faster, web sites will load even faster, and large files will download faster. "
"Question:
Will that "H+" icon ever change to something else? If so, what other icons might I expect to see and what do they mean?
Answer:
The H+ icon will remain lit while connected to either our 3G mobile broadband or 4G network (where available). Should you travel outside of those coverage areas and/or experience extreme network congestion, the icon may display EDGE or E while on our 2G data network or, in some instances, it will display GSM. "

Att rep for our company confirmed that they are working together with verizon to "pull the trigger" on 4g running at full throttle within the next couple of weeks. He showed me some emails and charts showing that they have installed verizon's hardware in their towers and are debugging it now. I did not see that "partnership" coming at all to be honest lol Keeping fingers crossed ))

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Apparently the H+ doesn't necessarily signify HSPA+. Covers 3G and their "4G".
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I noticed this up here after doing this MOD. Before the mod the notification bar only showed H+ all of the time. Now it bounced between 3G and H (not sure about H+). I am assuming the display I am getting now is correct.

hotleadsingerguy said:
HSPA+ *IS NOT* HSUPA. They're separate services. When AT&T enables HSPA+ across the country they'll also most likely send out a patch to enable HSUPA on the devices. Settle down on the conspiracy theories.
HSPA+ isn't enabled because the system isn't finished. We *all* knew this. When it is (in the next month or 2, most likely) they'll enable it and you'll see the difference overnight. My dad's worked for AT&T for 42 years as a repair tech (one of the 2 in this state that upgrade a majority of the HSPA+ and LTE hardware) and said the rough estimate looks like late March or very early April for HSPA+ and LTE in fall.
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Okay that makes sense but why is it though that other devices like my unlocked streak or nexus one get much higher upload speeds than the atrix? Is it something in their rom that is allowing them to get good upload and the atrix rom not allowing it to? Trying to make sense of it all.
Dell Streak powered by Streakdroid 1.8.1

Video with proof
It's obvious to everyone now, but I made a video that can easily be shown to anyone who doesn't believe the ATRIX has slower speeds than something like the iPhone.
Show this to AT&T and then they'll shut their mouth about "possibly a defective device."
www[dot]youtube[dot]com/watch?v=X5YMJT08N64&hd=1
I'm sick of this bs. Why cant this company live up to their promises?

the atrix isn't even an HSPA+ device, it has an HSDPA cat 10 modem...

The Atrix is supposed to have the HSPA+ transceiver in it. Whether it is disabled or does not work because the network blocks access since HSPA+ is not fully deployed is a question heavily discussed in other threads in these forums. However, you should realize the LTE requires a different transceiver, which reviews have indicated the Atrix does not have.
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?

wrayrb said:
So even if LTE is deployed this fall, the best the Atrix will be able to do is HSPA+, not LTE. Supposedly, LTE-capable smartphones are supposed to be announced this summer sometime.
Wanna wait?
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Yes, when I see the disaster with Verizon's first LTE phone the HTC Thunderbolt (still not released)....I wanna wait even a bit longer.....I don't wanna be the guinea pig for AT&T.

Tmo 600mhz 5g is horrible

So when using 5g on 600mhz, I get 13mb download. When I switch to 4g, I get 120mb download. I think what is happening is 5g and 4g don't carrier aggregate, so your only getting a single channel download. So bottom line? Turn off 5g. What a waste

Sucks
Glad i have very low expectations for 5G. Dont mind turning it off at all if i have to. Still curious to see how good/bad it ll be since i work in a major city.

Djapatos said:
Sucks
Glad i have very low expectations for 5G. Dont mind turning it off at all if i have to. Still curious to see how good/bad it ll be since i work in a major city.
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I work in Manhattan, and I heard there's a decent amount of mw 5g for tmo. Right now I'm out on li, so I get fake 5g. Lol. It's actually slower, which I don't understand
With the poor night vision, and sht 5g, probably just gonna return it, keep my pixel 4

VZTech said:
so I get fake 5g.
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You're getting AT&T 5Ge? Strange.
600mhz isn't fake 5G, it's real, it's within in spec. Just because you get slower speeds doesn't make it fake. As you said, very likely it's a CA thing.

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You're getting AT&T 5Ge? Strange.
600mhz isn't fake 5G, it's real, it's within in spec. Just because you get slower speeds doesn't make it fake. As you said, very likely it's a CA thing.
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Well, yes, I guess it's technically 5g. Just sucks that it's actually slower than 4g. Oh well.

VZTech said:
Well, yes, I guess it's technically 5g. Just sucks that it's actually slower than 4g. Oh well.
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lol. ya n71 is not good for speed. you gonna have wait until they start using mmwave. tmo is def good in the city. i remember when i used tmo in midtown lte was pretty good

Same, I get around 30mbps with lte and only about 18mbps with 5g, quite annoying

My opinion(results may vary elsewhere and I could be wrong) but in my area of Ohio, there are certain areas that have 4glte and no 5g and some small gaps in 4glte that now have 5g. I think its more to fill in the gaps of coverage. I personally love it and it isnt super fast but is good enough for me to have coverage in the areas that I travel with minimal dead areas.
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sunmybun said:
lol. ya n71 is not good for speed. you gonna have wait until they start using mmwave. tmo is def good in the city. i remember when i used tmo in midtown lte was pretty good
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I'll do some 5g speed tests on T-mobile when my Ultra Unlocked comes in today. I live in Greenville, S.C. The reviews I read for T-mobile on the Ultra in New York City said the the speed was about 100mbps+ for LTE and about 130-140mbps+ for sub6. Nothing extradorinary but better than LTE. Makes me wonder why your seeing such low 30mbps speeds.

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I'll do some 5g speed tests on T-mobile when my Ultra Unlocked comes in today. I live in Greenville, S.C. The reviews I read for T-mobile on the Ultra in New York City said the the speed was about 100mbps+ for LTE and about 130-140mbps+ for sub6. Nothing extradorinary but better than LTE. Makes me wonder why your seeing such low 30mbps speeds.
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Low speeds due to no ca when on 5g. It literally turns it off. If I set it to 4g, I get 100mb dl. 5g is a complete shtshow. Early adopters, it is what it is. I just keep it set to 4g.

VZTech said:
Low speeds due to no ca when on 5g. It literally turns it off. If I set it to 4g, I get 100mb dl. 5g is a complete shtshow. Early adopters, it is what it is. I just keep it set to 4g.
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What is ca?

Paul_Deemer said:
What is ca?
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Carrier aggregation.

Here's what I'm calling "real" 5g...millwave....

VZTech said:
I work in Manhattan, and I heard there's a decent amount of mw 5g for tmo. Right now I'm out on li, so I get fake 5g. Lol. It's actually slower, which I don't understand
With the poor night vision, and sht 5g, probably just gonna return it, keep my pixel 4
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Why don't you return it and save you and the rest of us from hearing your constant complaints about the handset?

jonboi said:
Why don't you return it and save you and the rest of us from hearing your constant complaints about the handset?
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I have 15 days to try it out. Thought people might want real world tests. Not paid ones.

I have to agree....the 5G here in Phoenix is really bad. south phoenix, tempe and ahwatukee. Did a few speed test in each area. Garbage.

Sub-6 5g was never about great download speeds, and I for one prefer t-mobile going the way they did (focusing on sub 6 before millimeter wave).
sub 6 5g is the lowest frequency band you can get, millimeter wave is highest frequency you can get. Lower frequency signals pass through objects much better than higher frequency signals, they also travel farther than high frequency signals.
The real world translation is that sub 6 is essentially getting data a hair faster than 4g but because it penetrates walls and objects better as well as travels much farther, it should translate to getting a better signal in more places. With millimeter wave, you literally have to have line of sight to a tower to get decent signal..... line.of.sight.
I, for one, would rather have better signal strength in more places than blazing fast speeds when you're standing on this one street corner facing a specific direction. I realistically only see millimeter wave being rolled out to high density areas like stadiums or temporary roll-outs for things like political events or festivals.
Sub 6 is a much better technology for real day to day usage, the only reason I see Verizon to implement millimeter wave before sub 6 was for marketing, so they can claim they have the fastest network.

Note to VZTech:
mmWave is never going to be the "Real" 5G. It can't. It requires a microwave transmitter installed literally on every block and a fiber back-haul from that location to the central office. That infrastructure doesn't exist and will never exist as it will cost each carrier hundreds of billions of dollars, except perhaps in dense urban areas(directional boring is expensive). That is why everyone is focusing on midband as the next threshold to implement - that is the reason for the merge of Sprint (they have tons of midband) and T-Mobile. Verizon has midband to redeploy and AT&T is currently deploying low and midband for the same reasons. Your Ultra will address all of it currently being deployed. If I was on Verizon, I would want a carrier based phone to handle future changes not yet announced.
As to the current T-Mobile 5G, I have a T-Mobile Note 10 + 5G (same modem but no mmWave antenna) and an Ultra in route. After receiving the phone I drove over wide areas in the Chicago suburbs and I saw ranges from very low to well over 200 Mbps. CA is part on the carrier side and part on the phone side. Since you are one of the ones testing it, have you contacted either Samsung or, more importantly, T-Mobile tech support? Perhaps there is a software issue on the phone. Perhaps there is an issue in your area that needs to be addressed. Remember, that until this week, very few people in the entire country (just those buying the Note 10+5G and the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren edition) have been on it. I would not be surprised that there are still bugs to be shaken out on these phones and on the network as a whole. I had to call in my area about that and T-Mobile made some changes. YMMV, but it is worth a call. I wouldn't pass judgement until after I had spoken to T-Mobile and they agreed that what you are getting is all you will get.

I get 1-2mpbs down with 5g enabled and 70mbps+ down with LTE (4g) turned off and 5g disabled. I think this is a software issue where it should be switching to LTE for higher download speeds and 5g when there is coverage issues.

nappent said:
I get 1-2mpbs down with 5g enabled and 70mbps+ down with LTE (4g) turned off and 5g disabled. I think this is a software issue where it should be switching to LTE for higher download speeds and 5g when there is coverage issues.
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This is due to no ca between "5g"600mhz, and 4g lte. Just turn off 5g. It's useless in most places.

5G Mclaren Edition Tmobile

Hello, hope everyone is safe. Question: how many of you use the 5g in the US. Is it reliable? Since i got my mclaren back in December, i only used it once, wasnt happy with it and i have been using lte ever since.

albaniandroid said:
Hello, hope everyone is safe. Question: how many of you use the 5g in the US. Is it reliable? Since i got my mclaren back in December, i only used it once, wasnt happy with it and i have been using lte ever since.
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I am using it in an area that was pretty weak, and it is working pretty good. It should get much better as the Sprint mid-range frequencies are turned on.

I thought the one plus mclerean was a low band phone not a mid band

last update added band n41, it's even listed on t-mobile site

I came to correct my post. I see that it can handle it just not mmwave or whatever they call it. Which I heard you can't get that through buildings. I only use my phone when I'm indoors

cgrimm9 said:
I thought the one plus mclerean was a low band phone not a mid band
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It is, Sprint has the midband that will be used by Tmo for 5G.

Its good when it works. Theres one spot in town where it says its full bars but internet doesnt want to work until i swtich to lte. Im guessing its just an issue with that tower.

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Its good when it works. Theres one spot in town where it says its full bars but internet doesnt want to work until i swtich to lte. Im guessing its just an issue with that tower.
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T-Mobile's 5G implementation is still pretty new and I've noticed that 5 g can sometimes be slower than LTE. That being said, I suspect that T-Mobile will improve this with time. What is nice is that 5G networks are exclusive to 5G capable phones, meaning congestion can sometimes be better, at least from my understanding. I'm glad to see US carriers finally embracing 5G, despite the fact that it may not be as capable as international variants. Time will tell if we see any significant improvements with 5G coverage.
I have noticed significant improvements in coverage when traveling. My job requires I travel around a lot, since I do electrical work for cell phone towers. Historically,4G LTE coverage with T-Mobile has been spotty in certain parts of the country, but comparing my Pixel 3a XL with LTE coverage versus my McLaren 5G has shown a huge improvement and overall coverage and speed!there have been times where my pixel will get around 5 mbps vs my OP7T Pro McLaren 5G will be hitting well into 80+!

I have seen improvement also. I had to use a TMo booster in my house it was so bad. I have turned it off now.

I sometimes turn off 5G and get better speeds on LTE. But I checked a spectrum map, TMobile doesn't have enough low band spectrum in my specific geographic region. Completing the Sprint merger should help with that, and the 7t McLaren can support the Sprint frequencies with just a software update.
Fortunately I spend almost no time in cities where mmWave would matter, that's the only thing this phone can't do that other 5g phones can.

I have 5g in my rural town but the past two days the network has been acting up they might be working on the towers or something. Even my 4glte kicks of and on including my 5g.....

In my geography 5g is slower than 4g, but I checked a spectrum map and Tmo only has the minimum possible low band spectrum in my city and region. I've heard 5g works better if Tmo has 20mhz or more, and the addition of Dish licencing deals and Sprint spectrum is supposed to help later in 2020.
Anyway I'm usually just staying home using WiFi so it doesn't matter that much at the moment.

I get 110 mbs a second wear side of town and 30 mbs middle of town with 5g but I have a constant connection with 5g with 4g lte I sometimes have to reload pages cause of congestion

[Visual Poll] 5G Speeds

Mods:Feel free to move this if its in the wrong place!
For those of you lucky enough to live or pass through a 5G area, what kind of speeds have you been getting? Feel free to post screenshots and blur out any personal info!

Lol was talking to my provider today about 5G my speeds are awful so I just use 4G, I get about 10-50Mb on 5G and 99+ Mb on 4G which is more than enough.. course it's great to have a lot of speed but anything over 200 is overkill really..
Maybe one day they'll fix their network but I doubt it..
Great to see the speeds you're getting.
I'm in the UK on three btw.
Shocking speeds.
My old network EE gave me 275Mb + on 4G superior network, three is awful.

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Lol was talking to my provider today about 5G my speeds are awful so I just use 4G, I get about 10-50Mb on 5G and 99+ Mb on 4G which is more than enough.. course it's great to have a lot of speed but anything over 200 is overkill really..
Maybe one day they'll fix their network but I doubt it..
Great to see the speeds you're getting.
I'm in the UK on three btw.
Shocking speeds.
My old network EE gave me 275Mb + on 4G superior network, three is awful.
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5G is a lot more dependant on signal strength. With 3/4 to 1/2 4G+ at home I get anywhere from 60-130 down. That 5G was outside a shop a few miles away, so had full signal. I'm also on Three (I wouldn't be speed testing 5G if I didn't have unlimited data, that test used nearly 1GB data). The 4g in my city centre is terrible though, the network is very overcrowded. We will be safe on 5G for a little while until it becomes more mainstream on phones and three gets overcrowded again. EE is great for pure coverage I agree, but for a long time they didn't give unlimited data, and given I use over 150gb a month, I need it as most packages are no where near that lol
Edit: when you pick a server, try one closer to you, and also just try ASK4 in Sheffield. That's a super fast server for me even though I'm no where near it. My 5g test was to that server

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5G is a lot more dependant on signal strength. With 3/4 to 1/2 4G+ at home I get anywhere from 60-130 down. That 5G was outside a shop a few miles away, so had full signal. I'm also on Three (I wouldn't be speed testing 5G if I didn't have unlimited data, that test used nearly 1GB data). The 4g in my city centre is terrible though, the network is very overcrowded. We will be safe on 5G for a little while until it becomes more mainstream on phones and three gets overcrowded again. EE is great for pure coverage I agree, but for a long time they didn't give unlimited data, and given I use over 150gb a month, I need it as most packages are no where near that lol
Edit: when you pick a server, try one closer to you, and also just try ASK4 in Sheffield. That's a super fast server for me even though I'm no where near it. My 5g test was to that server
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I'm in London, I've tested this everywhere and i have tonnes of data.. I've tested all over London, on tops of buildings in Oxford Street, kinds cross, Ruislip, Holborn, to name but a few.
It's always crap.
Why on earth do you use 150GB? Don't you have WiFi anywhere you go?
I can manage with next to no data usage, WiFi at home, WiFi at work.
I've tried different servers but I'll see what happens with the Sheffield one..
Cheers.

I get up to 250 for download and 50 for upload

dladz said:
I'm in London, I've tested this everywhere and i have tonnes of data.. I've tested all over London, on tops of buildings in Oxford Street, kinds cross, Ruislip, Holborn, to name but a few.
It's always crap.
Why on earth do you use 150GB? Don't you have WiFi anywhere you go?
I can manage with next to no data usage, WiFi at home, WiFi at work.
I've tried different servers but I'll see what happens with the Sheffield one..
Cheers.
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I have WiFi at home, but I have unlimited data - according to three I'm not anywhere near a top 1% user either! ? I'm mobile IT tech. A lot of places I go to are in the middle of nowhere, and either have no WiFi (middle of field etc), won't give me access (some companies provision by MAC address, so for a short 1 hour job it's not worth their time provisioning my device properly), or it's so slow I may as well be using dialup so I tend to use my phone's connection with my laptop. I also stream some pretty HQ music so that adds up, but max I've ever used a month on that is like 10GB
If your area is crap, it's probably going to be crap even using ASK4's Sheffield server. I just noticed that your connection screenshot went quite high, then super low, so it looked like it was a little unstable. ASK4 is usually stable for testing for me, so thought it was worth a try!

I get 696mb download and 45mb upload.

wilpang said:
I get 696mb download and 45mb upload.
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Got a screenshot to show signal strength and server tested to etc?

I did one while going for a walk.

angelvip3r007 said:
I did one while going for a walk.
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Hide your IP mate

About 5g.
I have european version in2023 (8gb/128gb, black color) , but my phone have no 5g in Settings > SIM & network settings > Preferred network type.
On Samsung Note 10+ 5g, have 5g on Settings, on the same network.
Do you friends who have the same version & live in Europa have it ?

null0seven said:
About 5g.
I have european version in2023 (8gb/128gb, black color) , but my phone have no 5g in Settings > SIM & network settings > Preferred network type.
On Samsung Note 10+ 5g, have 5g on Settings, on the same network.
Do you friends who have the same version & live in Europa have it ?
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This isn't a support thread. You should start your own thread in Q&A
I do have an IN2023 though, 12/256 and I have 5G, even used it recently. It's dependant on a few things, from carrier enabling it, to your sim card being 5g capable. Try contacting your carrier, works fine here and I'm on EU firmware

With the same SIM i got 5g on ****ty Samsung note 10+ 5g.

null0seven said:
With the same SIM i got 5g on ****ty Samsung note 10+ 5g.
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Then the phone may not be allowed on the networks 5G, or it may not support that networks bands. Again, call your carrier and check, they will probably sort it for you

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Please see attached, bear in mind that's not all of my town. Fastest and my historical checks around the area.

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Please see attached, bear in mind that's not all of my town. Fastest and my historical checks around the area.
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I feel sorry for the WiFi speed at 1 and 7 haha
Sometimes my 5G shows up as LTE In speedtest. Seems you have one of those too. It looks like 3 are capping out 5G at around 690, or that's all our phones can manage, I'm not sure. That's around my top speed too!

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I feel sorry for the WiFi speed at 1 and 7 haha
Sometimes my 5G shows up as LTE In speedtest. Seems you have one of those too. It looks like 3 are capping out 5G at around 690, or that's all our phones can manage, I'm not sure. That's around my top speed too!
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Still pretty fast

I got nearly a gigabit on the weekend. Telstra's 5G is pretty good.

manor7777 said:
Then the phone may not be allowed on the networks 5G, or it may not support that networks bands. Again, call your carrier and check, they will probably sort it for you
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Of course, you are wrong !
I got new 5g SIM, still nothing about 5g in Settings > Preffered network type. OnePlus 8 Pro does Not have 5g for my network, maybe to all my country neworks.
So, yeah, it's the phone! Not network!
I have talkt with OnePlus guys and they told me that will be solved in future updates.

null0seven said:
Of course, you are wrong !
I got new 5g SIM, still nothing about 5g in Settings > Preffered network type. OnePlus 8 Pro does Not have 5g for my network, maybe to all my country neworks.
So, yeah, it's the phone! Not network!
I have talkt with OnePlus guys and they told me that will be solved in future updates.
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That doesn't make me wrong, I'm not sure you understood. I'm saying it IS the phone. In the UK. Some networks will not allow a phone on 5G unless you buy it from them. The phone would work, but the network is not allowing that phone to use 5G. I assume its very similar in other countries, I know the US does this for some networks. The phone is compatible, but the network isn't pushing the settings to allow the phone to work, or the phone is failing to apply the correct carrier settings update to enable the 5G. TL;DR its the phone