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On android, is it possible to have an app limit another apps of certain services? (like for example if i had "app A" that i wanted, but it requires gps or access to my contacts to install, and (app A) has nothing to do with those [like if a wallpaper app required access to my personal info], would it be possible for an app to limit "App A" of services and take away its ability to use the undesired service?) i guess im asking if this is plausible or not... If it is, Do you know anyone who would develop this app? I bet i could get a lot of users supporting this idea.... (A lot of Users want the ability to do this) I bet this app would be a huge hit, and a must have for most knowledgeable users...
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There already is one. The power control widget that comes with your phone can turn gps on/off, along with brightness, WiFi, and account syncing along with a few other things.
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I literally mean limiting service to an app.
So more like a firewall for apps to stop them accessing different resources?
Well, yeah. When I first used the power control widget, my GPS, WiFi, and Sync was on because of Google Maps. Occasionally, when I download a new app, GPS or WiFi will turn on and I just turn them off. You could also try whitelist/blacklist apps which might be able to help you.
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Hi,
Is it possible to completely stop information leakage to google from my telephone, such as contacts or even aps purchased?
Oxy20 said:
Hi,
Is it possible to completely stop information leakage to google from my telephone, such as contacts or even aps purchased?
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some options:
work without google apps! most custom roms come without it! GApps package is a additional zip!
many custom roms included privacy manager from cm. you define what the app is allowed to. for example read contacts yes or no
In AOSP Android (I think since 4.3 or 4.2) is app ops included. It's like privacy manager with detailed options.
hope it hepls. What rom you are using?
carepack said:
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work without google apps! most custom roms come without it! GApps package is a additional zip!
many custom roms included privacy manager from cm. you define what the app is allowed to. for example read contacts yes or no
In AOSP Android (I think since 4.3 or 4.2) is app ops included. It's like privacy manager with detailed options.
hope it hepls. What rom you are using?
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I am on 4.3 stock ROM. The phone is unlocked and rooted.
I tried CM Rom as part of 2 way call recording patch trial but had to revert back to ROM due to stability problems. But the problems were due to the trial nature of the patched ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45730852&postcount=47 I tried rather then general CM problems. So I suppose could try a stable, up to date version of CM ROM.
I suppose without Google Play I can not have paid apps like skvalex call recorder? If I have to leak some info to Google can I ensure no call details, contacts, calendar etc are shared / backed up etc to Google?
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I am on 4.3 stock ROM. The phone is unlocked and rooted.
I tried CM Rom as part of 2 way call recording patch trial but had to revert back to ROM due to stability problems. But the problems were due to the trial nature of the patched ROM http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=45730852&postcount=47 I tried rather then general CM problems. So I suppose could try a stable, up to date version of CM ROM.
I suppose without Google Play I can not have paid apps like skvalex call recorder? If I have to leak some info to Google can I ensure no call details, contacts, calendar etc are shared / backed up etc to Google?
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try a look at here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...ager-control-permissions-for-individual-apps/
Technically yes, but practically no. Even if you stop now, you probably have used Google services in the past and they already have those info. Even if you do not use Google apps, there are lots of way for your phone to connect to Google server (various core Google apks). Lots of apps and websites use Google Analytic as well, although that info is supposed to be anonymous, or apps that utilize Google services in some way or purchased apps that required verification. You basically have to micromanage the permission of every app and this isn't exactly easy and is time consuming, slips up are easy too.
My recommends are:
Most effective: Be lke Richard Stallman, stop using internet completely, except for devices that isn't your. Don't use telephone at all. Have no WiFi running in your house and remove your address from Google Maps, then move to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
Less effective: Don't use 'gapps' and Google apps at all. You can use Amazon AppStore to download apps. Or use Firefox OS or Ubuntu Touch instead.
Less effective alternative: Use permission management. There are many ways to do this. Android 4.3 have AppOps and there are shortcut apps to let you access to the hidden menu, however it's not very convenient to use. It's better to use CM or SlimRoms which in addition have the Privacy Guard toggle feature (Settings -> Security-> bottom of list). SlimRoms let you turn it on for installed apps by default. It blocks access to contacts and location. I'm not sure if it block network and phone IDs info though.
For more refined permission management, there is the Xposed Framework module called XPrivacy. It has a high learning curve and blocking the wrong permission will cripple your apps or make it not working. There is also LBE Security Master and OpenPDroid, but I much prefer XPrivacy.
You can also use AFwall+ which modify the Linux kernel's iptables to block internet connection, this is the most assured method to block internet connection access for apps imo.
If you still need to make use of Google apps or services, such as facelock and photosphere, but want to avoid installing 'Google services framework', you can use these gapps packages and not install the core package. Keep in mind, 'Google services framework' is important for connecting to Google server and without it some 'find your phone' apps won't work like Cerberus.
You can see if your phone is connected or syncing to Google server by the color of the WiFi icon color, gray means no, and blue means yes.
I have always wondered about why someone would buy a smartphone, Android or iOS and then worry about security? Why not just buy a simple TracPhone or something similar?
Not trying to knock on anyone, just wondering.
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I'll try to make it as simple as I can.
Here is what I want:
CyanogenMod with root privileges
Full control over which app, service or system component can access my data and the Internet.
(at the moment for instance I can't alter the "network access" privileges of my apps)
Safe to use speech recognition software
Safe to use, sophisticated navigation software
My questions:
Is that even achievable without a ton of work?
Is there a simple way to flash CyanogenMod without pre-installed bloatware? (e.g. Google apps, Skype, Cortana, ...)
Which tools should I use to make sure that apps can only access what I want them to?
Is there speech recognition software for Android that doesn't require Internet access?
Is there a navigation app that is capable of using the offline maps of Google Maps without requiring an Internet connection?
(e.g. Google Maps makes itself useless if you don't update from their servers every 30 days)
From your experience, do apps refuse to work when you deny certain privileges?
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I'll try to make it as simple as I can.
Here is what I want:
CyanogenMod with root privileges
Full control over which app, service or system component can access my data and the Internet.
(at the moment for instance I can't alter the "network access" privileges of my apps)
Safe to use speech recognition software
Safe to use, sophisticated navigation software
My questions:
Is that even achievable without a ton of work?
Is there a simple way to flash CyanogenMod without pre-installed bloatware? (e.g. Google apps, Skype, Cortana, ...)
Which tools should I use to make sure that apps can only access what I want them to?
Is there speech recognition software for Android that doesn't require Internet access?
Is there a navigation app that is capable of using the offline maps of Google Maps without requiring an Internet connection?
(e.g. Google Maps makes itself useless if you don't update from their servers every 30 days)
From your experience, do apps refuse to work when you deny certain privileges?
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Dude- You should start developing your own rom in this case.
But consfused here and at this point i think you dont know.
CyanogenMod & Cyanogen OS
Assuming- when you said, cortana etc etc--- i think you are on cyanogen OS.. Which is the original OS for 1+1.
1- To achieve, you need to work.
2- Some optimized COS builds in XDA one android dev section- try a search. but not latest 13.1.2-ZNH2KAS3P0. Root using SuperSU. and use system app uninstaller to remove apps you dont need. Some debloater zips also lurking around in XDA. If you install CyanogenMod, then no need of gapps flashing if you dont use google account.
3. you can stop background data for the apps you dont want. Settings in most roms.
4. Speech recognition can be used offline after u download all languages of your choice. Not 100% and dont use it.
5. Try Maps.me. i didnt know google map needed to be force updated every 30 days unless some one restructures the entire landscape and routes.
6. Certain apps refuse to work if you dont grant permission. yes. its like telling some 1 without hands to eat from hand,.
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Thank you so much for your reply. I indeed did not know that there is a difference between Cyanogen OS and CyanogenMod. But if I understood you correctly, CyanogenMod comes without gapps. (I hope it also comes without Google Play Services?)
The offline speech recognition you linked to seems to be from Google. I bet it will require Google Play Services and an Internet connection after some time, just like Google Maps does and I'm really afraid of that.
I might give Maps.me a try, but I think Google Maps still has by far the best most detailed and correct maps especially when it comes to POIs.
I would consider using official Google Maps, if there was a 100% safe way to wipe all the data the app collects before I allow it to update the maps. Alternatively, maybe I could download the apps from a second device and just copy the map data over to my main device every once in a while.
An even more crazy approach might be to spoof the time/date data for Google Maps so that it thinks the 30 days haven't been reached yet.
But I would still be very concerned about Google Play Services. Would microG be sufficient for my purposes to replace Google Play Services?
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Okay, I have a rooted CyanogenMod without gapps now on my OPO.
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I have Xposed with modules "Xprivacy" and "Per App Hacking" installed now.
Xprivacy is an app permission manager and "Per App Hacking" can be used to spoof the system time an app will see. Hopefully I'll be able to fool Google Maps with it.
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I have microG installed now. Hopefully this will be enough to run Google Maps.
I really need to make sure I understand Xprivacy before that though.
My recommendations:
1. I recommend full device encryption with long and secure boot password and easy to use pin lock screen password. Here's more info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/general/security/guide-separate-passwords-encrypted-t3048072
2. Get an email address from a provider that respects user privacy i.e. Riseup. https://riseup.net/
This is one the most important things to do if you don't want google / yahoo / microsoft scanning your email for surveillance / marketing purposes.
3. Use apps from F-Droid. It's an app "store" for open source apps.
4. Always use Afwall+ to have control over which apps have access to internet. Even better if you use Afwall with combination of Orbot. This way you can route some apps through tor (need a custom script though). Orwall does the same thing more easily.
5. Instead of closed source Supersu, use open source superuser http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking/wip-selinux-capable-superuser-t3216394
6. For maps I recommend openstreetmap. Download Osmand from F-Droid. It has navigation too.
7. For cellbased location provider, use unified location provider found from F-droid. It's connected to microg projects.
8. For encrypted SMS use Silence from F-droid (recipient needs the same app if you use encryption).
9. For encrypted instant messaging use Conversations (XMPP client) from F-DROID. Or Riot (which will soon have strong encryption).
Hey tofu thanks for your answer, I appreciate it!
I'm only really concerned about my phones software spying on me.
About the email thing: I'm running my own email server for that.
But I'm still looking for a way to anonymously creating a google account without providing my phone number.
I'm using F-Droid already and it's great.
I'll never go back to the play store that's for sure.
And for anyone else reading this, please don't touch the amazon app store, it's pure poison.
I'm also using AFWall+ already, but I'm not satisfied at all. The creator doesn't really seem to care about ensuring that no data gets leaked ever. I read a lot of reports that data was being leaked every once in a while, especially during system boots.
This is really scary to me... I'd really like to have a safer firewall.
Blocking Internet/networking permissions directly just causes apps and the system to become extremely unstable. I soft-bricked my phone like 5 times while playing around with it the last few days.
I was not aware supersu was closed source. I'll switch to the open source alternative soon.
I just installed OsmAnd~ and I'm not very satisfied. Navigation was ok, the tts voice was absolutely terrible and I wasn't able to find a single POI, I wouldn't even be surprised if it would fail to find the next McDonald's to my place. Google Maps just seems completely unmatched to me.
And about that: I was actually able to get Google Maps running without Google Play Services installed and I was able to successfully use it offline, spoofing the system time for that app, so that my maps would never become outdated. I notices a few downsides though, for example it only works for car navigation (bicycle mode etc are not available). After completing the installation of all the microG components I wasn't able to get it to work anymore though (I couldn't download the offline maps, because I couldn't enter my google account data anymore...).
But I'll figure out how I did it and go with Google Maps then.
To complete the microG installation I installed unifiedNlp with GSMLocationNlpBackend.
For encrypted messaging I'll probably be forced to stay with WhatsApp, as I can't possibly convince all of my friends to switch. But hey at least WhatsApp claims that your messages are end-to-end encrypted.
But obviously WhatsApp will always know who I know... that problem seems pretty much unfixable to me though...
I have btw also tried to get Google Now (speech recognition) to work offline. But I was unsuccessful. I have read reports of others getting it to work for literal voice to text applications... it won't take voice commands though. So that's not very useful... unless there was a way to define your own voice commands somehow.
But my biggest worry at the moment really is the firewall. I feel like there is nothing that you can really trust to work reliably.
And also the fact that Xprivacy can't restrict file access to certain folders... it's either all or nothing.
The worst of all might actually be IPC though (inter process communication) which a lot of apps require permissions for. And from what I understand any app with that permission could use another app as a sort of proxy to access the Internet.
I'm using a Google-free device with maximum privacy, so maybe I can not answer all your questions but I can give you an idea. First of all - disclaimer: I'm here because my girlfriend has an Oneplus One (OPO), but I do not have one. I use her old Nexus 5 (N5), but you will get the general idea. You already noticed there is a difference between CyanogenOS (COS) and CyanogenMod (CM). It also took me a while to figure out that difference. If you still have a stock Android in your OPO, it should be a COS 13.1 which is based on Android 6.0.1 and comes with alot of bloatware from Google and Microsoft.
1. First step is to find a suitable ROM for your needs. If you are used to COS and have not much experience in chosing custom ROMs, you should give CM a try. Here is the official wiki which includes Download links and installation instructions: https://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Bacon_Info
2. The 2nd step after installing CM is the full device encryption, can be found in Settings > Security. If you do it on a clean phone without any apps and data it only takes a couple of minutes and chances of breaking stuff are low at this step.
3. Now I usually root it (with SuperSU) and install some magic which is called XPOSED framework. It's something which allows you to install modules on your phone on system level, not like an Appstore, but rather like a Tweakstore. There are a lot if chances you break stuff and most of the modules do not work with CM, however, one module to beat them all is the XPRIVACY module. It gives you back full control on everything. You can manage App permissions, you can fake permissions or if apps do not want to run with your set of permissions, you can even feed fake data (like wrong GPS signals, etc.). Read more here. http://repo.xposed.info/module/biz.bokhorst.xprivacy
4. F-Droid, yeah, the one open-source repository for your new apps. I'll install it at this point.
5. Now, that the device is flashed with CM, probably rooted and with a custom recovery, you have to flash a stock recovery again and lock the bootloader. Stock recovery because it does not allow any malicious party (hacker with physical access, police, intelligence services, etc.) to deploy any code to your phone which compromises your privacy. Locked bootloader is important to disallow any malicious party to boot anything they want which also compromises your privacy.
And this is pretty much what you need to get started, a rock solid environment free from Google. Make sure you have a strong PIN, I also use randomized screen locker, so people can not "observe" the way you enter your PIN.
For encrypted calls and SMS there is Signal, but that does not work without Google services and LibreSignal, the Websockets version, was discontinued just recently. For encrypted IM use ChatSecure rather than Conversations. Both are XMPP clients, but Conversations does not allow you to import or export OTR keys, which is very annoying for an Jabber client. For not so sensitive chats, I use telegram.
Finally, not having Google Play and Google Services available, makes the experience a totally different for the android device. Apps like Snapchat which do not require Google, but still do for some unknown reasons checks for Google, wont run. Also, a lot of apps work without Google, but you can't install them without downloading suspicious APKs from dubious websites. Be very carefull from where you download and install software if you can not find what you need in F-Droid.
I hope that helps you for your considerations.
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Edit, one more final note. I also use OsmAnd and have to say it never let me down on any occasion (except when I forgot to download the maps before going somewhere remote without internet). The geodata quality is excellent in most urban areas, but the interace and usability are a mess. If you find your way around in the interface, the navigation works out pretty well. I sometimes have issues calculating very long routes, but you start to live with that.
Thanks for your input 5chdn! Most of the stuff you mentioned it already on my phone.
I made some progress yesterday and I'd like to share my current configuration:
All the apps I mention in this post are (at the time of writing) available in F-Droid, unless stated otherwise.
Everything I mention in this post is free and open source, unless stated otherwise.
Recovery Image: TWRP
ROM: CyanogenMod
'Apps' that have to be flashed:
SuperUser (this roots your phone which means you can grant root access to apps)
Xposed (provides a lot of important privacy tools)
Apps:
F-Droid (app store that provides free open source apps)
AFWall+ (manage which app can access the Internet)
Autostarts (manage triggers that apps can use to start themselves)
AdAway (can remove ads from apps)
Xposed Modules:
BootManager (manage which apps can start on boot)
Xprivacy (manage/spoof app permissions for privacy)
Safely using Google Maps offline permanently:
Please note: Google Maps is not open source.
Install microG (open source alternative to Google Play Services)
The installation complete installation consists of:
'microG Services Core' (aka 'GsmCore') (app)
At the time of writing this app is NOT available in F-Droid. This app also automatically installs 'µg unifiedNlp (NO GAPPS)' for you.
'microG Services Framework Proxy' (aka 'GsfProxy') (app)
'FakeGapps' (Xposed module)
'FakeStore' (app)
'XposedGmsCoreUnifiedNlp' (Xposed module)
'LocalGsmNlpBackend' (app)
'NominatimNlpBackend' (app)
'µg unifiedNlp (NO GAPPS)' (app) (will be installed automatically!)
Install 'Per App Hacking' (Xposed module)
Use this module to spoof the system time/date that Google Maps sees e.g. to '2016-10-14 10:00' so that offline maps don't become outdated. The feature to spoof the time is called 'time machine'.
I would really like to improve what I got so far and share it with the community.
If you know of anything that could help improve privacy please tell me.
I do not mention things like device encryption, passwords, lock screens etc, as these are a separate issue.
I know most of the things to improve battery but I want to know if anyone knows of other ways to improve battery. I have a s7 edge now on G935U. I know rooting can improve battery life but I can't find a root method for my phone on 6.0.1 and I don't want to risk bricking it unless I know for sure it would work.
What I do to Improve battery
Disabled auto sync
Disabled auto update
Disabled all bloatware with package disabler
AOD is off
Never keep WiFi on during sleep
I know about black screen or dark themes
Adjusting brightness
Turning off location
Turning off Bluetooth
Turning off WiFi
But really what else can I really do? I feel like my battery life on my s7 edge sucks. Any help?
I always logout of facebook, no matter what phone I have, seems to help keep that battery muncher of an app under control. Auto display brightness, pocket detection and dark themes. I get about 22 hours out of my phone on a charge with medium use. 3 to 4 hours screen on.
I always use AoD, have never noticed much of a difference in battery with or without it.
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Download Package Disabler Pro from the play store.
Use it to disable any system apps you don't use. Focus on the ones that are in "pink text" Also Don't ever use any Facebook apps. (Facebook, FB messenger, FB Page Manager, FB contacts etc) I delete the data from all of them force stop them and disable them first thing. They do a ton of shady stuff in the background that eats your battery and disguises itself as "Android System" on your battery usage page.
I wish Samsung would stop including them in the Firmware all together. If you have to use Facebook just go to the website usering the Samsung browser app with Crystal ad blocking on and block the cookies. Facebook is a shady company even just going to the website from your phone can drastically impact its performance from all of the trackers they install on your device. IMO the entire Facebook app suite should be flagged as spyware by Google.
Next look for AT&T software. There is a tone of it. You can just search for att in the search bar and it will pull it all up. AT&T like to gather a TON of your information and usage stats in the background as well. This too is disguised as "Android System" battery drain even though it is not. Any apps branded AT&T that you don't use get rid of them.
Also in the case of this device, there is No REAL root process. There is an ENG BOOT root, but its super buggy and generally terrible for battery life.
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Download Package Disabler Pro from the play store.
Use it to disable any system apps you don't use. Focus on the ones that are in "pink text" Also Don't ever use any Facebook apps. (Facebook, FB messenger, FB Page Manager, FB contacts etc) I delete the data from all of them force stop them and disable them first thing. They do a ton of shady stuff in the background that eats your battery and disguises itself as "Android System" on your battery usage page.
I wish Samsung would stop including them in the Firmware all together. If you have to use Facebook just go to the website usering the Samsung browser app with Crystal ad blocking on and block the cookies. Facebook is a shady company even just going to the website from your phone can drastically impact its performance from all of the trackers they install on your device. IMO the entire Facebook app suite should be flagged as spyware by Google.
Next look for AT&T software. There is a tone of it. You can just search for att in the search bar and it will pull it all up. AT&T like to gather a TON of your information and usage stats in the background as well. This too is disguised as "Android System" battery drain even though it is not. Any apps branded AT&T that you don't use get rid of them.
Also in the case of this device, there is No REAL root process. There is an ENG BOOT root, but its super buggy and generally terrible for battery life.
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I just unlocked my phone no more att. Unless there I still other stuff? Any other suggestions?
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I just unlocked my phone no more att. Unless there I still other stuff? Any other suggestions?
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FACEBOOK All Facebook apps (FB Pages, FB Messenger, FB app, FB System setting, etc.)
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FACEBOOK All Facebook apps (FB Pages, FB Messenger, FB app, FB System setting, etc.)
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How can use messenger on the Internet without downloading the app?
Good battery life or? How can I check my SOT?
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How can use messenger on the Internet without downloading the app?
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Use an Android browser that allows you to "request the desktop page" and you can get to FB Messages w/o the app.
I prefer Firefox with suitable blocker plugins installed, optionally in Private mode.
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How can use messenger on the Internet without downloading the app?
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Use the chrome app and "request desktop site" from settings.
Anyone know why my stand by time is taking 20%?
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Use an Android browser that allows you to "request the desktop page" and you can get to FB Messages w/o the app.
I prefer Firefox with suitable blocker plugins installed, optionally in Private mode.
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Swipe Pro for Facebook found in Google Play Store is another good alternative to using FB apps
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My biggest tip for improving battery life is staying off of large Wifi networks (i.e. school, airports, work) . The constant LAN wakeups will kill your battery.
-Turn off location when not in use (I use tasker to auto turn on/off locstion when bluetooth connects/disconnects in my car)
- i disabled carrierIQ using System Tuner, which seems to have helped (requires root). The EZ Package Disabler Rootless method did not disable carrierIQ for me.
Disabling "bloat" apps didnt really help much with battery life IMHO
I get about 4.5-6hrs SOT. The eng_boot root method is really not as bad as everyone says it is after you apply all the fixes that are floating around. (V15 fix zip, L speed, govtuner)
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Anyone know why my stand by time is taking 20%?
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Poor cell reception or there is an app constantly pinging your location.
If you have Facebook installed and allow it Location access that could be it.
Also sometimes Google Play services gets hung up for the same reason. A reboot will fix the Google issue.
Lastly it could be at&t. If they are working on towers near you it can cause this drain, or if you have not disabled the AT&T apps that track your phone.
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Poor cell reception or there is an app constantly pinging your location.
If you have Facebook installed and allow it Location access that could be it.
Also sometimes Google Play services gets hung up for the same reason. A reboot will fix the Google issue.
Lastly it could be at&t. If they are working on towers near you it can cause this drain, or if you have not disabled the AT&T apps that track your phone.
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I deleted Facebook and pretty sure turned off location on everything. I unlocked my phone so I don't att apps. I get 2 or 3 bars now I unlocked my phone so it's not terrible
FWIW, you can use the Edge "My Places" panel to automatically manage wifi on/off based upon geolocation or bluetooth, and some other ways. I use it to automatically force wifi off whenever in my car (because of bluetooth connect) or at work (via gofence, no wifi available), and that helps. It's also standard on the GS7edge.
The battery life has very little to do with Facebook or Messenger if you have the settings for the apps tweaked to not notify on every little thing. Also, you can limit background data inherently in Android, thus using less power to get real-time updates from either app. You can limit Messenger's notifications, including eliminating chat heads, etc. If Facebook were solely responsible for poor battery life on this device, it'd be the same on very device. That just isn't the case. It definitely is a resource hog as-is, but not if you contain it.
That said, I'm a big advocate for limiting background data for any social networking apps: FB, Snapchat, etc. I would rather have to open an app to see what I've missed than have dozens of notifications throughout my day. I save real-time updates for things like email, Amazon, and the like. You can also set wifi settings to not be so aggressive (I believe mentioned earlier in the thread). Beyond that....root the device and set up custom power settings and profiles for CPU, etc. Your performance will potentially suffer for it, and the eng kernel has the worst battery life of any I've ever used, but there are ways to fine tune it that you simply can't achieve without root.
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The battery life has very little to do with Facebook or Messenger if you have the settings for the apps tweaked to not notify on every little thing. Also, you can limit background data inherently in Android, thus using less power to get real-time updates from either app. You can limit Messenger's notifications, including eliminating chat heads, etc. If Facebook were solely responsible for poor battery life on this device, it'd be the same on very device. That just isn't the case. It definitely is a resource hog as-is, but not if you contain it.
That said, I'm a big advocate for limiting background data for any social networking apps: FB, Snapchat, etc. I would rather have to open an app to see what I've missed than have dozens of notifications throughout my day. I save real-time updates for things like email, Amazon, and the like. You can also set wifi settings to not be so aggressive (I believe mentioned earlier in the thread). Beyond that....root the device and set up custom power settings and profiles for CPU, etc. Your performance will potentially suffer for it, and the eng kernel has the worst battery life of any I've ever used, but there are ways to fine tune it that you simply can't achieve without root.
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Have you actually done any research into what the Facebook app does? It's a system app, doing the thing you mention above without root will not effect its ability to use your data and drain your battery. It's not about the core features of the app its about all the spying it does. FB Messenger keeps a log of every messenger you send whether or not it's sent through the APP or not.
Facebook installs trackers on your phone that read your credit card and banking apps data to track purchases. It also pings your location to know where you shop and what you eat. Then feeds you ads related to it and tells the companies you bought something because you saw the ad. All of that data is bundled up and sent out to be resold to any company that wants it.
Any phone iPhone or Android that comes with the Facebook apps pre installed on it the apps are the main culprit of battery drain and random data usage. There is even a lawsuit filed in California against Facebook saying it is illegally using both data and power and disguising it as normal system usage so end users don't know that it is their apps to blame.
If you know anyone who works in advertising at a fortune 500 company that has bought ads for Facebook they will tell you the same. And if you do any real research into Facebook apps programing you will see it is true. Their are MANY people who have tore apart the apks to find exactly what I am talking about and shared it all over the Internet. Facebook spends millions with PR companies to keep it quiet, because the only way for them to monetize their app is to offer highly targeted ads and purchase tracking.
As for rooting the S7E its garbage, not what I consider REAL root and a waste of time. Also it kills the performance of the device.
Particularly this app.
Trust me if you like your battery life and/or your privacy disabling Facebook is the most important thing to do to any device you get.
ShrekOpher said:
Have you actually done any research into what the Facebook app does? It's a system app, doing the thing you mention above without root will not effect its ability to use your data and drain your battery. It's not about the core features of the app its about all the spying it does. FB Messenger keeps a log of every messenger you send whether or not it's sent through the APP or not.
Facebook installs trackers on your phone that read your credit card and banking apps data to track purchases. It also pings your location to know where you shop and what you eat. Then feeds you ads related to it and tells the companies you bought something because you saw the ad. All of that data is bundled up and sent out to be resold to any company that wants it.
Any phone iPhone or Android that comes with the Facebook apps pre installed on it the apps are the main culprit of battery drain and random data usage. There is even a lawsuit filed in California against Facebook saying it is illegally using both data and power and disguising it as normal system usage so end users don't know that it is their apps to blame.
If you know anyone who works in advertising at a fortune 500 company that has bought ads for Facebook they will tell you the same. And if you do any real research into Facebook apps programing you will see it is true. Their are MANY people who have tore apart the apks to find exactly what I am talking about and shared it all over the Internet. Facebook spends millions with PR companies to keep it quiet, because the only way for them to monetize their app is to offer highly targeted ads and purchase tracking.
As for rooting the S7E its garbage, not what I consider REAL root and a waste of time. Also it kills the performance of the device.
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Facebook is not a system app when it's obtained through the Play Store. Here's a screen shot illustrating that; I have a backup of the system app, but it is not currently installed. I've installed from the Play Store, and it is not installed as a system app. Permissions are in my full control, and even if I weren't rooted, I could disable the default Facebook app and install anew from the Play Store.
You made quite a few claims with zero citations, criticizing me for not knowing the depth of the Facebook advertising conspiracy. Facebook is pretty transparent about what it does with your data and who it is allowed to share that with. It's all accessible for the curious minds of conspiracy theorists. All of which derails the topic of this thread, which is battery life.
Clearly, you don't use Facebook in the form of an app, and I do. That said, I can attest to having considerably better battery life when I tweak the permissions, data consumption allowance, and notification settings.
Let's keep this thread on topic
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Facebook is not a system app when it's obtained through the Play Store.
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On some GS7E variants it comes as a pre-installed system app (AT&T for example) and you can't undo that w/o root.
I uninstalled package disabler pro and battery life got better, and system ui is much faster, am also using adguard, it uses a lot of battery but also prevents all those ads to use battery as well.
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I uninstalled all that because my phones battery was dying over night
Hello!
I love this phone, still awesome. BUT!!! Why we bough the phone if google play services eat all battery. I removed a lot google app, i used ,Disable Services" app, disable all location servies only use GPS hardware when need. And still GOOOGLE F***ING services draining my battery.
Can somebody create a lollipop image without GAPPS? Please
BTW i use Lollipop RU.
Sorry about my english and this but i'm very angry.
Thanks
I can't say I happen to have the same issue.
Have you tried a factory reset?
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Yes, i tried. Yesterday night i flashed the phone, i was very angry
Doze Google Play Services
Android 6 has the Doze feature that can help you, it makes the system use lot less resources when the phone is idle.
But some remarks about Doze.
1 - Doze works, but only when idle for more than an hour and at night, so you should use "Greenify" to force Doze being used more often.
2 - Ads are constantly being downloaded on the background so use "My Android Tools Pro", to disable ads, on apps and some services you don't want/need.
3 - Use "Amplify" it helps.
4 - DOZE GOOGLE SERVICES - This is what you looking for. Yes it's possible, Google made Android have Google Play Services in a whitelist so it never goes Dozed, so you need to change it, you can see more about that in here https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/magisk/module-enable-doze-google-play-services-t3608783, just install the "EnableDozeGMS+_TWRP - by VR25.zip", install it with the recovery.
Obvious for all this you will need root, custom recovery and xposed framework.
I also use "Intelli 3G" to fast change from 2g on standby to 3g when I really needed it.
"3g Watchdog" to see which apps are downloading stuff without telling me, so I can use "My Android Tools Pro" to disable those ad sevices or just make "Greenify" force sleep them...
Best luck
You can also use the YotaPhone without Google Services, you just use a Chinese version of the YotaPhone 2 ROM, Chinese ROM are smaller because China Government prohibits Android being released with Google Services by default, but remember there's plenty of apps that use google services for sync, location and web browsing etc, so some apps will not work without it, but it's possible of course. Just keep/change the correct radio for your YotaPhone Model, YD206 or YD201 etc, replace the radio folder from one ROM to the other and flash the ROM.
Hello!
Me again I don't know why but sometimes when i restart my phone (lollipop), in the settings menu ,,Data Usage" won't start or disappear. And i think that time my phone draining slower. Maybe. Is it possible? Is it possible to disable or delete Data Usage function?
Thanks
Hmmm, Data Usage should be a passive counter, not activly draining battery.
Unfortunately it's not easy to disable the counters function.