Poor press = Black Friday discount? - Google Pixel 4 Questions & Answers

So far the initial reviews have been pretty mediocre for the Pixel 4. This has got me wondering if there will be a big discount for Blake Friday sales like there was for the Pixel 3.
I've pre ordered all of the previous Pixels, but I'm holding off on the 4 for a couple of reasons.
1. The Pixel 3 got a big discount on Black Friday, barely a month after launch. That did / does feel like Google screwed over the early adopters that pre-ordered.
2. Questions about how apps will respond to the switch from fingerprint to face unlock. I don't know if the transition will be smooth or if there will be a delay until apps like banking will work with face unlock.
3. Competition, I'm debating picking up a One plus 7t or 7t pro. Sine Verizon is going LTE only there is no longer a reason not to use one of those. My number one priority is the phone being fast and those seem to be the fastest Android phones available. I'm also considering an iPhone 11 pro, but I'm not sure if I want to deal with Apple.

@atlp99 With questions like you have and the slightly disingenuous title of the thread I think you should wait until BF. I don't know which review you have read but I don't think it's fair to jump the gun without having a lot of hands-on. There are not as of yet. No matter the reviews you will get about 1/2 off on BF or perhaps a BOGO from a carrier. I don't believe Google will be giving a discount since so many carriers are selling the device.
Have you read anything about the biometric regarding fingerprint vs face unlock? You should before you ask a question like that. All in all I don't think this device is up your alley as a pre-order. Starting out with such negative ideas would not bode well for a positive user experience.

It will be interesting to see if there is a discount coming.
On the one hand, I agree with you that the reviews are mixed (many were published today). Battery size/performance is clearly and issue with the 4. Many reviewers are having issues with getting Soli gestures to work reliably too. The lack of storage space is also a negative. All of these things are going to be headwinds for Google trying to sell the Pixel 4.
But this is also the first Pixel phone that is available from all the major US service providers. That is going to make a huge difference and drive sales IMHO. While I always buy my phones outright, many people like to "pay as they go" with a monthly device fee. This is going help drive Pixel 4/4 XL sales like never before.
Like you, I am waiting until Black Friday before deciding if I am purchasing the Pixel 4XL and give my wife my Pixel 3aXL or if I am going to buy another 3a XL (or even a 3 xl if the sale price is compelling enough) for her. I certainly am never going to pay full retail price for the 4 or 4 XL. It is certainly not worth the price Google is asking for it.

If you enter XL territory, then you have plenty of options. If you stay at non-XL. There are much less.
For Pixel 4 XL you'll get better feedback on this forum.
To me, even the Nexus 5X was too big, still usable.
Now, going back to the topic. There's a HUGE chance the phones will be discounted in Black Friday. So If you don't want to pay premium for getting the phone 1 month earlier, you can save money by just waiting.

You can grab the regular pixel 4 for $699 on Amazon here but I'm not sure how long that will last :
https://www.amazon.com/Pixel-Clearl...BEQ0SQQK3MB&psc=1&refRID=QFZ52SHCRBEQ0SQQK3MB
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I'm sure I'm not the only one but when it's time for a new device the money in my pocket starts burning and I get more and more impatient with every new review/forum post I read. I have always went with the latest and greatest but am considering saving a little money this time and go with a tried and true instead. Was looking hard at the S7 Edge but man, they proud of that joker.
Would like to get back to tinkering as well and since we are on Verizon, the options are a bit limited if you enjoy that.
With the Pixels on the way, do you guys expect a sale on the 6p? Is that a normal thing with a new release? They are currently at $460 and $550 at Best Buy.
Thanks!
Ofcourse there will be a sale on the 6P - Wait and See.
But on another couple of notes. 6P did not distinguish itself other than a 5.7 inch device. I do not see the Pixel as a direct competition as that will be a 5.5 device.
On another note - the Note 7's will be coming up fairly soon as refurbished devices after they get their batteries swapped out and may offer better value for money - unless you're into the whole "Pure Nexus" "Direct Upgrades" thing.
Each to his own though - we tend not to keep devices even one year anymore
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Htc 10 Upgrading to Pixel? Anyone

Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?
bturkel said:
Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?
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Nope. Downgrade IMHO. Price point sucks.
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Nope. Downgrade IMHO. Price point sucks.
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I have to agree with this. I'm still using my M8 and held out to see what Nexus/Pixel brought, but for the price I'm going to get a used HTC 10 instead. I have always liked HTC since the M7 and nothing on the pixel seemed to pull me away. And then there's the price.
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Not an upgrade IMO. I'm sticking with the 10.
No SD card, also no wireless charging, ugly back, fingerprint on the back (forcing a hole in the case), maybe better camera, but not much.
No good reason to switch.
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Thanks for the opinions - that's basically how I feel
Ditto with the statements above. The only thing I'd love over the HTC 10 is the slightly smaller size of the Pixel and built in 128gb of storage (Still having SD card issues on my 10).
Considering I took advantage of the $100 promo right when the device came out in addition to a promo that gave me $300 for my old Turbo I only ended up paying $250 for the 10. Can't even get close to that for the Pixel.
Once Google puts their own custom SoCs aboard the Pixels....they'll have all my money.
Agree with everyone else observing that a 10 to a Pixel is a downgrade. I have a 200gb sdcard in my 10; it's easily rooted via Sunshine, running all my preferred mods via Magisk and Xposed and I have no desire to tinker with perfection for a bigger handset with smaller specs.
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Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?
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I am also Verizon HTC 10 user and yes, I am very happy with my phone.
But in future, if I have to buy a new phone even then I am not going buy Google Pixel XL. The only thing I like in Google Pixel XL is its camera quality. I don't know about other countries but in India Google Pixel XL is very expensive. For me, buying Google Pixel XL is definitely not a good move
I got one yesterday at the local Verizon store. It seems like a pretty nice phone. I like the build quality. The camera auto-focus seems hit-or-miss - that's a huge disappointment to me. Overall I prefer (and am still using) the HTC 10 as my main phone.
FWIW, I would never buy a phone as expensive as the Pixel with my own money. I got the smaller screen with the smaller memory capacity and it was still over $700 US. Lucky for me the company I work for paid for it.
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I checked out and had a play with both Pixel and Pixel xl a few days ago at JB Hifi. Although I liked the Google assist and great camera, the price couldn't be justified, especially here in Australia $1419 [USD $1080] for the 128gb XL version. I love my HTC 10, a great smartphone, and will stay with this for a while. Maybe when the market adjusts by Christmas or after New Years, the price will come down hundreds of dollars, as Pixel will be old news by then, until they launch their new version. As PocketNow stated, Pixel is quite boring from an aesthetic point of view.
Ps. Telstra carrier has exclusivity with Pixel and Pixel XL, and I can't stand their lying customer service so I'll never use their service again personally. JB Hifi sells them, but no deals atm.
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Nope...i get why Google would want to come out with something like the Pixel. It basically follows the Apple's strategy with the iPhone...which, whether you hate iPhones or not, is a business model that equals high profits. Its just that if they had taken this approach a long time ago they would actually have something. These days though, the Android market is too saturated with quality phones @ low prices for the Pixel to gain any traction
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Nope...i get why Google would want to come out with something like the Pixel. It basically follows the Apple's strategy with the iPhone...which, whether you hate iPhones or not, is a business model that equals high profits. Its just that if they had taken this approach a long time ago they would actually have something. These days though, the Android market is too saturated with quality phones @ low prices for the Pixel to gain any traction
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I agree, and I looked at a display model pixel xl at a verizon corporate store and honestly holding it, it feels cheaply made in my hand compared to my unlocked Htc 10. My Htc 10 feels more rigid and solid, like it is made of aluminum and the pixel xl in my hand feels like its plastic, I mean like there is basically nothing to it. To me you go too small and light weight and it can make it feel cheap and weak.
Anyone feel that way holding a pixel xl compared to your Htc 10 ?
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I agree, and I looked at a display model pixel xl at a verizon corporate store and honestly holding it, it feels cheaply made in my hand compared to my unlocked Htc 10. My Htc 10 feels more rigid and solid, like it is made of aluminum and the pixel xl in my hand feels like its plastic, I mean like there is basically nothing to it. To me you go too small and light weight and it can make it feel cheap and weak.
Anyone feel that way holding a pixel xl compared to your Htc 10 ?
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I held both and don't necessarily agree. The 10 is definitely heavier, but it doesn't necessarily feel like it's more "solidly built." I don't like rear fingerprint scanners (have it on the One Max). The Pixel is definitely more slim, sorta like the A9. That could appeal to some.
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I held both and don't necessarily agree. The 10 is definitely heavier, but it doesn't necessarily feel like it's more "solidly built." I don't like rear fingerprint scanners (have it on the One Max). The Pixel is definitely more slim, sorta like the A9. That could appeal to some.
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To me the Htc 10 feels stronger. The pixel xl felt really light compared to it and it just felt weaker. If they do a bend test on a pixel xl as they did the Htc 10 I bet its no where near as rigid as the 10. I went a head and bought one any way, but it will definitely go in to a nice sturdy case but I definitely would never use one without a case. I think the less weight of the pixel xl compared to the Htc 10 is they either made the aluminum case thinner or the used less metal inside, and the pixel xl is even a bigger phone, so I definitely would recommend a strong sturdy case to everyone using a pixel xl. But I guess to the masses lighter is better. I just also felt the pixel xl in my hand really seemed so light like it might not want to stay in your hand as well but maybe that is just me being use to the beefier Htc 10.
I think we can all agree that the specs just don't warrant the price premium. A quick check on Swappa is showing as some used 10's going for $375. If you have to have Verizon this is the best phone (price wise) we can get. If the One Plus 3 worked with Verizon it might be a different story.
I pulled the trigger on a verizon pixel xl. It went against my better judgment, because of no sd card slot, no dual speakers, the fingerprint scanner on the back hate that put it on the front like the Htc 10, then there is the fact that its not as rigid as the 10. I got it because of the bigger screen and the quicker updates.
I purchased from Best buy and I got a $200 best buy gift card. Actually it came the following day after I ordered on their web site, via email. I also got a free chromecast.
If Htc made a bigger screen 10 plus and a dev edition or google play edition that got quick updates then I would have bought it but since Htc's m7 max fiasco they wont make another phablet for here. I have no problem with Htc sense and I like Htc products as they are the best built phones. Hopefully next spring the Htc 11 has a plus model with a 5.7 or 5.9 screen and get the dev or google play fast updates like lets say with in 2 weeks of google releasing system updates, just something way better than 90 days. If they release the dev or gp models they can have updates out with in 2 weeks as its pure stock android. I just want quick updates.
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I think we can all agree that the specs just don't warrant the price premium. A quick check on Swappa is showing as some used 10's going for $375. If you have to have Verizon this is the best phone (price wise) we can get. If the One Plus 3 worked with Verizon it might be a different story.
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You can purchase from Best buy like I did and I got a $200 best buy gift card. Actually it came the following day after I ordered on their web site, via email. I also got a free chromecast.
pjd2011 said:
I think we can all agree that the specs just don't warrant the price premium. A quick check on Swappa is showing as some used 10's going for $375. If you have to have Verizon this is the best phone (price wise) we can get. If the One Plus 3 worked with Verizon it might be a different story.
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This is exactly what made my decision. I was on the M8 and waited until after the Pixel was announced to make my choice. I ended up buying a used HTC 10 for $375 (ironically) and I love it! Most of the posts here agreed that the Pixel wasn't enough of an upgrade over the 10 to justify the price and so I figured why not.
Now I have not even seen a Pixel in person yet so I really can't compare, but I know I'm happy with my M8 to 10 transition.
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Don't really see the point in spending hundreds on another 2016 flagship when you already have a 2016 flagship. You'll have more of a difference saving that money and getting a 2017 flagship.
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Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?
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I was considering it, but then CM 13 came out, so I could satisfy my desire for a stock android feel. CM 13 is actually surprisingly stable for what I need it for, and Android N-ify is fully functional, so I had no problem with not have Nougat either.
Well- I grabbed a 32gb Silver for $480 from a guy here - I am testing it this weekend - already rooted and Hotspot working - I will see how I like it - thought it was a good deal so WHY NOT. Still Love my HTC but I run with this for a bit and see how it compares

Google Pixel now will have 2 years warranty instead of 1

https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/phone-by-google/FRyoLZZjXvo
Straight out of googles mouth. This is great news and makes me even more confident with my purchase.
yeah, but that's kinda like hyundai and their 10-year warranties. nobody would buy them otherwise. but i'll give the pixel 2 the ol' college try when the price comes down....
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yeah, but that's kinda like hyundai and their 10-year warranties. nobody would buy them otherwise. but i'll give the pixel 2 the ol' college try when the price comes down....
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I hear you but after spending almost a grand (canadian) on a phone, that 2 years warranty, atleast you can be comfortable to know that you're covered for 2 years
Thanks OP. This is awesome. After using this phone for a week, it is easily the best phone I've ever had. The extra warranty just makes it that much better.
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I hear you but after spending almost a grand (canadian) on a phone, that 2 years warranty, atleast you can be comfortable to know that you're covered for 2 years
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100% understood.
however, therein lies your problem - spending that much money (in any currency) on a piece of technology that will be obsolete in 2 years (or even be cut in half in a month).
but don't listen to me, I'd probably just blow that money at the casino or some girly club...
Is this international warranty?
I bought Pixel2 in UK. Can i avail warranty in India?
bittu4u4ever said:
Is this international warranty?
I bought Pixel2 in UK. Can i avail warranty in India?
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The Googles warranty page is pretty simple. Basically, you have warranty where you bought it.
If you bought it in the UK, then you have warranty in the UK.
If you live in India but bought in the UK or elsewhere, you have to get it to the where you bought it from for warranty services.
jco23 said:
100% understood.
however, therein lies your problem - spending that much money (in any currency) on a piece of technology that will be obsolete in 2 years (or even be cut in half in a month).
but don't listen to me, I'd probably just blow that money at the casino or some girly club...
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Unfortunately the expensive price point is only getting worst. People are commiting saying the pixel 2 xl is "affordable" flag ship because the note 8, iPhone 8 plus (256 GB) and of course the iPhone X are around $1k(give or take)
Doesn't seem that long ago $650 was considered a normal for flag ship and was not cheap or affordable by tech pundits.
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Unfortunately the expensive price point is only getting worst. People are commiting saying the pixel 2 xl is "affordable" flag ship because the note 8, iPhone 8 plus (256 GB) and of course the iPhone X are around $1k(give or take)
Doesn't seem that long ago $650 was considered a normal for flag ship and was not cheap or affordable by tech pundits.
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The Pixel 2 (5") is a flagship (I think) and it costs $650. Yes the 2 XL is more. There are good, reliable phones available for $250, $400, $650, $850, etc.
I don't quite understand your point of view and others that complain about the price. I am a big proponent of capitalism and I think you should vote with your wallet. If you think that a particular device does not warrant the cost it would take to procure, then you should not give that company your money. But what is everyone complaining about with the Pixel 2 XL, the Note8, and the iPhoneX pricing? You want something better, with more expensive components. You want it to run faster and smoother with more software features, and you want it to get updates, have a good warranty. What do you think you are paying for when you buy a flagship phone? The 2 XL, Note8, and iPhoneX all have features and aspects that make one better than the other. Each device will serve certain individuals better than others. That's why there is a market for them. You have a choice. Want a better screen, get a Note 8 or iPhoneX. Want updates? Get a Pixel 2 / 2 XL. Want a stylus? Get a Note8. Each are the best devices ever made from their respective company. You pay more for more of a product.
The Nexus 6 was $650 in 2014. It was a 6" screen and a flagship. That phone utterly sucks compared to the Pixel 2 / 2 XL. More phone, more money.
I think I'm going to go on forums and complain that Aston Martins and Ferraris aren't the same price they were in 1995. I mean yea, they are better/ faster / nicer than they were 22 years ago, but I want to pay 1995 prices for the new DB11 or the 488. Why is the the 2018 Honda Accord so much more than it was in 1995? $15,180 in 1995. $24,445 in 2018! WTF
It doesn't make sense. Every dollar is an opportunity cost.
Sorry if my rant came across pointed at you. It was not. I just get tired of seeing all the complaints about price.
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The Pixel 2 (5") is a flagship (I think) and it costs $650. Yes the 2 XL is more. There are good, reliable phones available for $250, $400, $650, $850, etc.
I don't quite understand your point of view and others that complain about the price. I am a big proponent of capitalism and I think you should vote with your wallet. If you think that a particular device does not warrant the cost it would take to procure, then you should not give that company your money. But what is everyone complaining about with the Pixel 2 XL, the Note8, and the iPhoneX pricing? You want something better, with more expensive components. You want it to run faster and smoother with more software features, and you want it to get updates, have a good warranty. What do you think you are paying for when you buy a flagship phone? The 2 XL, Note8, and iPhoneX all have features and aspects that make one better than the other. Each device will serve certain individuals better than others. That's why there is a market for them. You have a choice. Want a better screen, get a Note 8 or iPhoneX. Want updates? Get a Pixel 2 / 2 XL. Want a stylus? Get a Note8. Each are the best devices ever made from their respective company. You pay more for more of a product.
The Nexus 6 was $650 in 2014. It was a 6" screen and a flagship. That phone utterly sucks compared to the Pixel 2 / 2 XL. More phone, more money.
I think I'm going to go on forums and complain that Aston Martins and Ferraris aren't the same price they were in 1995. I mean yea, they are better/ faster / nicer than they were 22 years ago, but I want to pay 1995 prices for the new DB11 or the 488. Why is the the 2018 Honda Accord so much more than it was in 1995? $15,180 in 1995. $24,445 in 2018! WTF
It doesn't make sense. Every dollar is an opportunity cost.
Sorry if my rant came across pointed at you. It was not. I just get tired of seeing all the complaints about price.
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My post was in response to a comment about spending so much money on a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. Sure you can drop several thousands of dollars on a laptop but it will be supported for many years, and depending on the OEM can potentially be upgraded down the line.
Yes there are a ton of options from various different price points, and are all great devices that suit people's needs differently. The flagship prices are getting a little ridiculous but it's here to stay. There are a number of demands including demand, premium hardware, cost of materials, cost of gas etc. I don't like the rising cost of phones but I understand it. I do think the complaint of phone's (especially flagship phones) raising prices are valid with the disposable nature and planned obsolescence of phones. With the exception of Google and Apple OEM's push out new phones leaving older phones outdated for months if they ever get supported at all.
The Nexus 6 in 2014 was a beast of a phone, and even then people were complaining that the Nexus 6 was far too expensive (for a Nexus) I still have my Nexus 6 and it runs like a champ. It's hard to compare a modern phone to a phone 3 years old. IMO the Nexus 6 was a better phone for the time. This is subjective of course.
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AsuraDas said:
My post was in response to a comment about spending so much money on a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. Sure you can drop several thousands of dollars on a laptop but it will be supported for many years, and depending on the OEM can potentially be upgraded down the line.
Yes there are a ton of options from various different price points, and are all great devices that suit people's needs differently. The flagship prices are getting a little ridiculous but it's here to stay. There are a number of demands including demand, premium hardware, cost of materials, cost of gas etc. I don't like the rising cost of phones but I understand it. I do think the complaint of phone's (especially flagship phones) raising prices are valid with the disposable nature and planned obsolescence of phones. With the exception of Google and Apple OEM's push out new phones leaving older phones outdated for months if they ever get supported at all.
The Nexus 6 in 2014 was a beast of a phone, and even then people were complaining that the Nexus 6 was far too expensive (for a Nexus) I still have my Nexus 6 and it runs like a champ. It's hard to compare a modern phone to a phone 3 years old. IMO the Nexus 6 was a better phone for the time. This is subjective of course.
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I agree with that. I had the Nexus 6 as well. I thought it was a great phone when I had it.
Sorry about the post. I have grown so weary of people complaining about the 2 XL screen issues and it's cost. "For $850, I should get a better screen, or expandable storage, or fake colors." Buy it or something else, or save your money. Drama.
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I agree with that. I had the Nexus 6 as well. I thought it was a great phone when I had it.
Sorry about the post. I have grown so weary of people complaining about the 2 XL screen issues and it's cost. "For $850, I should get a better screen, or expandable storage, or fake colors." Buy it or something else, or save your money. Drama.
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Fair enough, I still think the Pixel 2 xl complaints are valid but I will agree it's getting old hearing the same argument over and over again. I think the Pixel 2 is a better value not just because it's cheaper but an over all better value.
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Fair enough, I still think the Pixel 2 xl complaints are valid but I will agree it's getting old hearing the same argument over and over again. I think the Pixel 2 is a better value not just because it's cheaper but an over all better value.
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Agreed. After handling both, I genuinely liked the Pixel 2 better. So far mine has been flawless.
also to through in there, the costs of the phones have been relatively the same over time - the difference has been the way the wireless carriers price them. if you recall (not too long ago), these phones would cost $200-$300, but required a 2-year contract. but if you did NOT want a contract, you had to pay the retail price of $600-$700.
also, when a phone first comes out (as with any new gizmo), the initial price is always inflated.
but otherwise, I agree - if you don't like the product, find something else.
Generally speaking there are multiple sweet spots to buy a new phone.
Immediately at launch I get a Home Mini which I'll sell (-$50), and the T-Mobile promotion which will save me a lot even after the temporary cost of an extra line ($-250 net). So factor that in, my new Pixel 2 is costing me $350 (even less after I sell my old phone). I consider this an excellent deal.
There's a period of about 6-8 months though after launch that is the absolute worst time to buy a new device. None of the launch promos, none of the discounts.
After that, promos and sales start again.
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My post was in response to a comment about spending so much money on a device that will be obsolete in 2 years. Sure you can drop several thousands of dollars on a laptop but it will be supported for many years, and depending on the OEM can potentially be upgraded down the line.
Yes there are a ton of options from various different price points, and are all great devices that suit people's needs differently. The flagship prices are getting a little ridiculous but it's here to stay. There are a number of demands including demand, premium hardware, cost of materials, cost of gas etc. I don't like the rising cost of phones but I understand it. I do think the complaint of phone's (especially flagship phones) raising prices are valid with the disposable nature and planned obsolescence of phones. With the exception of Google and Apple OEM's push out new phones leaving older phones outdated for months if they ever get supported at all.
The Nexus 6 in 2014 was a beast of a phone, and even then people were complaining that the Nexus 6 was far too expensive (for a Nexus) I still have my Nexus 6 and it runs like a champ. It's hard to compare a modern phone to a phone 3 years old. IMO the Nexus 6 was a better phone for the time. This is subjective of course.
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That thinking is why I actually got the Pixel. It was the n only one that I could find that would Guarantee 3 years of updates. For once I am actually excited on not what may be coming down the pipe. And after that hopefully Project Treble would make more manufactures update sooner and faster.

Would you still buy a PH-1? How does it compare to the Oneplus 5(T)?

Hi everyone,
As I write this the Oneplus 5T launch event is a day away, however the price of the PH-1 (at Telus in Canada) has now dropped to less than the Oneplus.
To those of you who have an Essential Phone .... would you still buy it again, knowing what you do now? Have software updates fixed the negative issues that were reported in initial reviews, especially wrt camera speed? If you were choosing now between the Essential Phone and the Oneplus 5T, which way would you go?
Any advice is appreciated.
I would especially buy it now. With essential seemingly coming around with their promise to be developer friendly, I'm hoping we see more and more developers hopping on board. Seems to me that this thing is just as open as a Pixel.
I would buy one again at the lower price.
I returned mine and got a LG G6.
If I hadn't bought the LG, I'd be buying the PH-1 at the lower price.It is now a bargain.
Seeing as i am beholden to a CDMA carrier (and not leaving anytime soon), and the PH-1 works just fine with my carrier of choice, the OnePlus doesn't register on my radar. Plus i lucked out and got my PH-1 for less than half..
If OnePlus came over to the dark side...
Just gave my One plus 5 away today after going from TMobile to Sprint. One plus feels cheap compared. Also I am a bit bitter the 5t is being released 5 months later.
I had the 6gb variant, no discernable difference, maybe it's me but the blur mode vs portrait mode were similar also. Also feels like OnePlus was in a school yard discussion with the top 3 and decided not to be an flagship killer this year.
With the latest fixes for ph-1, beta Oreo, and reddit feedback I'd say it's a home run at current price point.. plus f&f gets it for 300$.. hard to pass up
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I'm thinking about this question as well. Oneplus 5T looks like Oppo R11 which I don't like. But essentail is not offical sell in China, which means I can't get warranty if I buy from Amazon US or somewhere.:crying:
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I would buy one again at the lower price.
I returned mine and got a LG G6.
If I hadn't bought the LG, I'd be buying the PH-1 at the lower price.It is now a bargain.
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Had the G6/S7 nice phones but returned them and got the Essential and have not looked back.
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Seeing as i am beholden to a CDMA carrier (and not leaving anytime soon), and the PH-1 works just fine with my carrier of choice, the OnePlus doesn't register on my radar. Plus i lucked out and got my PH-1 for less than half..
If OnePlus came over to the dark side...
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Yep.
I wish I could have gottem a PH-1 for the $450 when I bought it.
The original price was just oo high for the initial issues. At $450 it's the bargain of the year.
I've been with Verizon since before they were Verizon around here.
I started out with GTE MobilNet. No, old jokes please.
Anyway, I'm not interested in any phone that's not fully compatible with Verizon and fully unlocked.
No.
I like OnePlus phones, bought the One back in 2014, amazing phone, my brother was using it this year until he broke it a few months ago. But, to be honest, I really dont like what OnePlus is doing as a company for the las few years, like put out "flagships" every 6 months, giving up support for older devices, waaaaay more marketing that is a factor to the increased price of their phones. I am sure the 5T is a great device, and it is what the 5 should have been in the begining, but coming out just a few months after the 5 is kick in the nuts to their loyal and enthusiast clients, and thats the second time they do it.
I really hated the chassis of my OnePlus 5. The edges are very rounded so it's a lot more slippery than the essential. I also didn't like how wide the phone was, making it uncomfortable to hold for long periods of time. Essential feels like it's the perfect size, and for ergonomics alone, I wouldn't go back to OnePlus (although their software is WAY better than essential's at the moment, I'm banking on essential improving).
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Yep.
I wish I sould have gottem a PH-1 for the $450 when I bought it.
The original orice was just oo high for the initial issues. At $450 it's the bargain of the year.
I've been with Verizon since before they were Verizon around here.
I started out with GTE MobilNet. No, old jokes please.
Anyway, I'm not interested in any phone that's not fully compatible with Verizon and fully unlocked.
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I remember the old GTE, Bell South, Bell Atlantic days, yep..
Not to gloat, but when I said I got my PH-1 for less than half, I literally meant less than half. Lucked out and got it for literally 225 out the door. :laugh: (17 years and counting better count for something).
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I remember the old GTE, Bell South, Bell Atlantic days, yep..
Not to gloat, but when I said I got my PH-1 for less than half, I literally meant less than half. Lucked out and got it for literally 225 out the door. :laugh: (17 years and counting better count for something).
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I got mine for $150 :silly:
All you sprint users...Lucky's
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I just got mine on Thursday, the pure white edition. The guy that I traded with added $250 in cash on top for my TMobile note 8 which I was bored to death with it. I'm really liking the essential phone.
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All you sprint users...Lucky's
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You can do it too! Buy 5 lines, get phone and pay it off, wait up to 48 hours, and then pay it off, finally cancel the lines. Sell as unlocked on swappa for $400 a piece. Profit $250 per phone!
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You can do it too! Buy 5 lines, get phone and pay it off, wait up to 48 hours, and then pay it off, finally cancel the lines. Sell as unlocked on swappa for $400 a piece. Profit $150 per phone!
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Awesome deal.. to bad its not on their prepay..
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I would of been happy with the essential except the screen is horrible selling it and i already ordered an unlock G6
I ordered one from Telus Canada few days back and I'm gonna trust Essential to come good!
I've handled the phone and is a solid device, plus I trust Andy Rubin!
I say go for it and buy one!
Okay, so I've got a bit of a twist for you guys: first off, does the 5/5t not work on Sprint? I thought it was compatible... Second, I'm looking to upgrade my iPhone 6s, and am torn between the OnePlus 5t, Essential phone, and iPhone 8. I've heard bad things about the software on the essential phone. How bad is performance and camera really? I left Android because I couldn't stand how unusable my s7 became and don't want to go back to that

DISCUSSION how is the price going down on swappa?

I was trying to sell one pixel 2 xl on swappa and the prices are going crazy low. How are all these people selling new 128 GB for just $700ish range ? The phone isn't really that old yet.
Verizon's running a $300 off on it.
I'm noticing the same thing. I considered selling my 2 XL and picking up a OnePlus 5T. When I took a look at pricing on SWAPPA I was very surprised to see the current prices people are selling the phone for. Previously, the Nexus/Pixel line-up held their value much better than what I'm seeing with the current 2 XL. It's sad but I think it can be chalked up to all the bad publicity this phone keeps receiving. Talk of these issues is seemingly more widespread than I thought.
For instance, on Christmas day a family member was checking out my phone and even though he is not a tech guy by any means, even he brought up the screen burn-in issues as well as the speaker buzzing noise issues. It threw me off, to be honest. Especially considering that this is a guy who never researches phones and has stuck with the Galaxy phone line-up simply because I recommended it to him like 3 years ago.
There is a reason why both Google and the carriers have already dropped the price. It sucks and it's directly affecting resale value.
On the plus side, I've experienced no issues with my device and it's the best phone I've ever owned. So this is just a good nudge for me to hold onto it and enjoy it longer, rather than making a jump to something else and inevitably regretting it.
Add to this, the starting prices were up there with the iPhone X and Samsung Note 8! Previously Nexus phones were a good bit cheaper than the highest premium phones...this is why they were able to hold value longer.
True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing
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True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing
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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.
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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.
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As for last year you really can't compare, unfortunately. Google didn't give 5 cents off the Pixel or the XL even on black Friday. Verizon had one day, and that was BF, that they gave a tremendous deal of $10 / month and $15 for the XL for 24 months. That was it! Eventually they had a lame trade in deal but nothing from Google. This year is way different. There is really no reason to be spending more than 4 or 5 hundred for any of the devices with trade in at Google and VZW. I mean I believe that VZW even has a $300 off with no trade in! But then you're locked into them for 2 years and no bl unlock. So I believe that the price will not drop past the 6 or 7 number for some time. But I've been wrong once or twice..
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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!
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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!
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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.
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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.
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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.
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Oh man the LG phone software dept is need of a revamp. It has been awful! I had a G4, G5, & G6 and literally could only use for a few days it was so bad!
I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.
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Yeah you should try the s8 or note 8. They are extremely fluid compared to the pixel not quite as fluid but very very close. Also the extra ram in note is helpful especially with the kitchen sink approach
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I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.
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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.
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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!
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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!
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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.
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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.
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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.
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If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.
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I mean I don't travel on the road but I love almost everything about phone except just slightly too tall and fingerprint sensor placement. I use pen to keep screen clean if hands are dirty etc
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