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Back from the 6P

I just can't seem to help myself, every year I buy the new Nexus as soon as it comes out. This year was no different with the Nexus 6P. After using the 6P for a few months, I am back to the N6. The 6P was great but there is just something about the N6 that keeps me coming back. Here is what I found;
The larger screen on the N6 is better for me. (The phones are almost the same size in height)
Wireless charging - I liked it more than the fingerprint unlock.
The bottom and top bezels on the N6P are just too large - almost like an iPhone.
What are your thoughts?

The lack of wireless charging was/is the deal breaker for me. I've had all the latest and greatest Nexus phones since the Nexus S. Hopefully my lack of voting with my dollars send a message to Google... I choose wireless charging over a phone that's a 1mm thinner. Time will tell, in the meantime I've got my 64g N6 and a backup 32g N6 just in case.
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Trade my n6 for a 6p.. Lol who's down ?

geebee1932 said:
I just can't seem to help myself, every year I buy the new Nexus as soon as it comes out. This year was no different with the Nexus 6P. After using the 6P for a few months, I am back to the N6. The 6P was great but there is just something about the N6 that keeps me coming back. Here is what I found;
The larger screen on the N6 is better for me. (The phones are almost the same size in height)
Wireless charging - I liked it more than the fingerprint unlock.
The bottom and top bezels on the N6P are just too large - almost like an iPhone.
What are your thoughts?
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I'm coming up on my deadline to be able to return my 6p and am also missing my n6. I really miss the wireless charging also.
Mostly what has me concerned is the whole bending controversy on the 6p. I baby it but would be really pissed off if I found a bend on the frame for no reason. Anyways, I feel the 6p was not a huge step forward besides the camera and fingerprint sensor, there isn't much that wows me. Maybe I'll get the 6 again and wait til the next iteration of nexus.
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Henrock11 said:
I'm coming up on my deadline to be able to return my 6p and am also missing my n6. I really miss the wireless charging also.
Mostly what has me concerned is the whole bending controversy on the 6p. I baby it but would be really pissed off if I found a bend on the frame for no reason. Anyways, I feel the 6p was not a huge step forward besides the camera and fingerprint sensor, there isn't much that wows me. Maybe I'll get the 6 again and wait til the next iteration of nexus.
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I have not had any bending issues, but I keep a case on it.

I wirelessly charge my N6, but wireless charging was not the deal breaker for me. The 6P just wasn't a large enough step forward. Like @Henrock11 said, the camera and fingerprint scanner weren't reason enough to move forward. My 6 gets great battery life and is buttery smooth with M.
Hopefully the 2016 Nexus 6 will have the Snapdragon 820. I'll be all over it this fall.

I haven't owned a N6p but fingerprint sensor to me is pretty important in my next phone, it has a lot of security implications and major uses in authenticating. I hate entering my credentials in lastpass and Google authenticator.

A Huawei can't just pretend to be like a Motorola. There is a learning curve...

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The bezel craze and the rip off of iPhone was unbearable in 2016.
Never understood Android OEMs. IPhones are bland and uninspired,with huge bezels and a design language that doesnt speak to males or females.
If i wanted a phone that looked like an iPhone., i would get an iPhone.

IPhone advantage is there warranty . it follows device from the time activated. Not the purchaser. I found this out when I bought my daughter an iPhone 6 that I knew was broke. The apple support I found out it had 4 days of warranty left according to the serial number. They swapped me a new iPhone 6 64gb . others should follow apples customer service. I was amazed.

I don't really care about the wireless charging or fingerprint scanner tbh so both are a non-issue for me. The big thing is:
1. The phones are size-wise nearly the same, yet the 6p has slightly less screen.
2. I don't feel like replacing all my charger cables and the 6's micro USB is just easier with everything I have set up.
3. I don't like the build or look of the 6p. I don't know how much merit the bending issue has, but I like the plastic, it's sturdy and durable enough.

I'm holding out for 2016 Nexus especially if it really turns out to be HTC.

watzone69 said:
I'm holding out for 2016 Nexus especially if it really turns out to be HTC.
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If its htc I wonder if we will have a bad time getting s-off or if that would be an issue . my last htc device took a long time for s-off

mike102871 said:
IPhone advantage is there warranty . it follows device from the time activated. Not the purchaser. I found this out when I bought my daughter an iPhone 6 that I knew was broke. The apple support I found out it had 4 days of warranty left according to the serial number. They swapped me a new iPhone 6 64gb . others should follow apples customer service. I was amazed.
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Probably because when you buy an Iphone you pay for a couple of spare iphone..

siggey said:
Probably because when you buy an Iphone you pay for a couple of spare iphone..
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Samsungs S and Note devices are just as xpensive as iPhones nowadays in the EU

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Samsungs S and Note devices are just as xpensive as iPhones nowadays in the EU
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With Knox and Exynos, the Samsungs are basically iPhones at this point.
HTC A9= iPhone rip off

I love my Nexus 6 as well! Seeing your thread only helps me confirm that my decision in not ordering a 6P was the right choice. I actually ended up ordering a Brand New Cloud White 64GB Nexus 6 when Amazon had them for $250! Well, I actually ordered 10, but one was for myself! A nice phone "refresh" for me. HaHa. I ordered them the first time Amazon had the $250 sale, left them sealed and ended up selling 8 of them locally via Craigslist for $400-$450 a piece. I'm still sitting on number 9 and I sold my used one for $250, what I paid for my new one! HaHa

I forgot about the price issue. For $250 for a new nexus 6 that's easily a no brainer

Good to know they've kept some value!
I bought the Nexus 6 32GB off Amazon specifically for Project Fi at just $300, Brand new, but missing the original box and accessories. (Original owner received as a warranty replacement from Motorola, not even a refurb!)
When I received it and went to activate, Fi tossed my Google Voice number instead of using it and assigned a random replacement instead.
After hours on the phone with Google, they can't figure out how to port their own GV number into Fi.
In the meantime I had gone into the Fi app and chose the option to add another device, and a few minutes later I was approved for payments on a 6P 64GB!
Prior to activating that N6, all attempts to be approved got shot down right away. I'm thinking it's much easier to get approved with an active account, or as I've heard from others too.
Now I have an extra Midnight 32GB N6, though I wasn't too hopeful on resell without any accessories, but I had low expectations anyway.
Anyone know of a place to purchase these types of items; like just the box to a N6 and an OEM charger? I figure it may be the difference between listing it for $250 or $300.

Nexus 6P in 2017?

So recently my M8 has decided to degrade a lot faster than a typical Android phone would, so I'm looking for an upgrade. Considering I'm still a college student, I can't make sense of spending over $500 just for a phone. I recently saw a few models (64GB and 128GB) for under $400, but would anyone still recommend buying this phone in 2017? The bootloop issue keeps me from pulling the trigger. I would rather not purchase another phone that I'm gonna want to throw at a wall only a few months into owning it.

akaTRAP said:
So recently my M8 has decided to degrade a lot faster than a typical Android phone would, so I'm looking for an upgrade. Considering I'm still a college student, I can't make sense of spending over $500 just for a phone. I recently saw a few models (64GB and 128GB) for under $400, but would anyone still recommend buying this phone in 2017? The bootloop issue keeps me from pulling the trigger. I would rather not purchase another phone that I'm gonna want to throw at a wall only a few months into owning it.
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If you can get a NEW model 64GB for a great price, then yeah. In the US, Walmart is selling a new 32GB model for $365. The phone is still fast as hell, runs 8.0 and gets monthly security updates. Ongoing community support is guaranteed for a LONG time. :good:

I used my 6P for about a year without any issues but I can't recommend it to those that need a reliable phone. Definitely wouldn't pay anywhere near $400. Just too many potential issues and there's better options in that price range. I bought my 64 GB gold 6P over a year ago for about $400 but had other options (5x and 6) if it had boot loop or battery issues. Now I have the 3T and will probably sell the 6P.
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seabro01 said:
I used my 6P for about a year without any issues but I can't recommend it to those that need a reliable phone. Definitely wouldn't pay anywhere near $400. Just too many potential issues and there's better options in that price range. I bought my 64 GB gold 6P over a year ago for about $400 but had other options (5x and 6) if it had boot loop or battery issues. Now I have the 3T and will probably sell the 6P.
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Yea I'm still weary of the bootloop. The phone I found was an official refurb from Google, but still, if it's unreliable even afterwards, I'd rather spend the extra money now so I don't have to spend even more later.
BTW I would prefer to buy one that works on all four networks. Currently on Sprint (hot garbage) but I'm looking to move to T-Mobile after I graduate.

My Pixel XL died and I picked up the Nexus 6P.
It's 95% as fast as the Pixel XL.
Apps do open faster on the Pixel, but the difference is negligible.
I never realized I'd be this happy with the 6P.
My only issue is premature battery failure.
I'd budget $25 to get a replacement battery if you're comfortable doing it yourself.
If not, then budget a lot more, or get a better phone.

how long have you had it?

Have my 6P for 14 months now. 95% battery health and working flawlessly so far.
Can't see any reason to replace it. if the only issue I'll have in the future is the battery than I'll simply replace it and keep using it.
It got a 2K AMOLED screen , 2Ghz big cluster and 1550 little cluster CPU, 3 Gb RAM.. can't see any reason to replace it by now.

wizardwiz said:
Have my 6P for 14 months now. 95% battery health and working flawlessly so far.
Can't see any reason to replace it. if the only issue I'll have in the future is the battery than I'll simply replace it and keep using it.
It got a 2K AMOLED screen , 2Ghz big cluster and 1550 little cluster CPU, 3 Gb RAM.. can't see any reason to replace it by now.
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What are you using to check your battery life? I've been trying to find something but haven't been able to.

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What are you using to check your battery life? I've been trying to find something but haven't been able to.
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Accubattery

I still think it's very worthy phone even in 2017. It's my all time favorite Android phone. I've owned it twice now. I as of about 4 days ago just bought another Nexus 6p from an individual who had bought it from Google but never even opened it up. It had just been sitting in the box unopened at his house for the past two years. Although I really wanted the silver, the one he had was 64g and in frost white. When he told me what he'd sell it to me for I went into shock. I bought a brand new 64g Nexus 6p for $150!!! Sealed in box never even turned on. This phone is butter smooth. The screen is amazing. It's great for media. Runs the very latest software from Google. I like it tens times better than the Pixel. The Pixel is absolutely ugly and it's not even a true XL at 5.5 inches where the 6p is 5.7 which I would consider that to be an XL. The phone design thanks to Huawei is stunning. So yeah if you can find one in the original box at the right price that was purchased from Google in case you do need a replacement then I'd say definitely yes to getting one. Don't let the boot loop scare you. Although it happens it's not to the majority of the phones. You only hear of the bad apples and not the good ones. Well mine is perfect although it was brand new it's still two yesrs old just never opened up and my battery is fine. Just do your research and ask questions and get you one. You won't regret it. This phone is by far the best and most smooth Android phone I've ever used. It's definitely at the right price very worth buying even in 2017. I believe it will get updates until late 2018 so you're good there too. Like I said research it and definitely fine one that comes in the original box with the contents. It'll help your resell value down the road.

akaTRAP said:
So recently my M8 has decided to degrade a lot faster than a typical Android phone would, so I'm looking for an upgrade. Considering I'm still a college student, I can't make sense of spending over $500 just for a phone. I recently saw a few models (64GB and 128GB) for under $400, but would anyone still recommend buying this phone in 2017? The bootloop issue keeps me from pulling the trigger. I would rather not purchase another phone that I'm gonna want to throw at a wall only a few months into owning it.
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Don't do it... Worst build quality ever, it's essentially made out of tin foil

Until the Google Pixel dual partition phones get Xposed working, I'm sticking with the 6P.
Even TWRP doesn't backup/restore reliably for Pixel dual partition setup yet.
My 6P has RR and Xposed for Nougat working just right and I'm not letting that go.

I have my 6p for over a year now and to be honest I am not happy In 2017 you would end up much better with OnePlus 5 that has similar performance to iPhone 8 and much better than Samsung Galaxy 8. Nexus 6p is way behind them now
The "frame" (thin plastic around the screen) goes off quickly and it looks quite bad and the body is made of soft metal so you would have a lot of tiny holes and few scratches after few months (and drops). Battery is good though, after a year still holds about 95% (due to AccuBattery app) and performance itself is neither bad or good.

No it's not a good buy. You want a phone to last long look elsewhere. You might get lucky and get a good model or you might get one that has one of the many issues that plagues these phones. Go for a one plus 3T

I absolutely love mine. expect to replace the battery at some point, but other than that, I think it's still a relevant phone in 2017. buy it if you see it cheap.

So hey guys. I've not really used XDA in a while, last time really active was when I got my Note 3 (that I am STILL using today.)
My budget for a "new" phone is small, aprox 200-300. I was looking at the LGv20's, but not able to nail one down (locally) for that price.
I have an offer of a great condition Nexus 6p for 225. Should I? Any idea how common the batt/loop issues are?

kingdazy said:
So hey guys. I've not really used XDA in a while, last time really active was when I got my Note 3 (that I am STILL using today.)
My budget for a "new" phone is small, aprox 200-300. I was looking at the LGv20's, but not able to nail one down (locally) for that price.
I have an offer of a great condition Nexus 6p for 225. Should I? Any idea how common the batt/loop issues are?
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Swappa has v2O for 250-300.
My 6P has been great for over a year but I wouldn't buy even a cheap 6P unless I didn't need it to be a reliable phone. My 6P is now used as a backup.
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kingdazy said:
So hey guys. I've not really used XDA in a while, last time really active was when I got my Note 3 (that I am STILL using today.)
My budget for a "new" phone is small, aprox 200-300. I was looking at the LGv20's, but not able to nail one down (locally) for that price.
I have an offer of a great condition Nexus 6p for 225. Should I? Any idea how common the batt/loop issues are?
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No. Short battery life, lag and overheating, very poor build, terrible support from Huawei. I would avoid it personally

seabro01 said:
Swappa has v2O for 250-300.
My 6P has been great for over a year but I wouldn't buy even a cheap 6P unless I didn't need it to be a reliable phone. My 6P is now used as a backup.
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crixley said:
No. Short battery life, lag and overheating, very poor build, terrible support from Huawei. I would avoid it personally
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Thanks, guys.
When this phone came out, I SUPER wanted one bad, but pretty glad I avoided it, if what I've read online is truly a common thing and not just a vocal minority. (I tried to see if I could find actual failure stats/percentages, but nothing concrete.)
And yeah, I looked at swappa, but I'm one of those "must be in my hand to inspect before I spend" guys, online purchase of expensive used electronics makes me nervous.
Found an LG V20 for ~200 this morning, but its a bit of a drive. Might do it...
Thanks again for the XDA community support.

kingdazy said:
Thanks, guys.
When this phone came out, I SUPER wanted one bad, but pretty glad I avoided it, if what I've read online is truly a common thing and not just a vocal minority. (I tried to see if I could find actual failure stats/percentages, but nothing concrete.)
And yeah, I looked at swappa, but I'm one of those "must be in my hand to inspect before I spend" guys, online purchase of expensive used electronics makes me nervous.
Found an LG V20 for ~200 this morning, but its a bit of a drive. Might do it...
Thanks again for the XDA community support.
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Glad to help out. I try not to fanboy out on any phone I own, and be honest about the good and the bad. XDA can be the worst place to ask for advice about buying phones honestly. People will say anything is good.
I keep mine around to play around with and test android updates. It hasn't been my main phone in a while though.

Thinking about this phone versus the other Flagships

I'm on my G3 right now -- happily using a rooted stock-based ROM from our very own XDA. My battery life has been decreasing a while now for years, so I think it's just time to replace my phone.
I was excited for the Pixel 2's, but all the screen problems have me worried. I think I've narrowed down my choices to:
Pixel 2
Moto Z2 Force
S8
Essential Phone, with the Price Drop
So I'm wondering which do you think I should get? This is on Verizon btw. I'm really torn and love my G3 so I'm really hesitant to get fully convinced to buy one.

Pixel 2: Better camera, fastest android update and "exclusive" features. Many of which you can install apps to get those feautures and eventually google will make them public, just like the assistant last year.
Moto Z force: Smaller battery than the Essential but you have many mods available.
S8: Samsung bloat is just horrible.
Essential: Hardware and build quality is great but we have very limited accesories. Stock android out of the box is amazing, no need of custom roms at the moment.

Ok, so want a new phone coming from my current Nexus 6P, which I love, but battery issues, and the speakers have gotten bad, so need a new phone in the next month or so. I originally liked the Pixel 2 XL, but for $950 for the 128GB version, I find that outrageous, especially with the poor bad displays most are shipping with, and news today they are failing Quality Control tests from Google too now. I paid $499 for my 64GB Nexus 6P brand new from Google, to me the Pixel 2 XL is what a Nexus 8P could have been, and would have priced like $599 or so. Out of principle I won't give Google the cash for a Pixel. But let's not go there with this discussion.
- Essential @ $499 ( root and ROM's supposedly should start coming in November )
- OnePlus 5T @ ? $550 ? ( 6" display, fingerprint scanner on the rear, 18:9 aspect ratio. Officially announcement due soon )
I want a stock Android type OS, with good battery life, that will get me 6h Screen On time or more. I want a bright display, and smooth OS. I always root my phones, and maybe a custom ROM too. And I want the price under $600. So Essential or OnePlus 5T ?

Zorachus said:
Ok, so want a new phone coming from my current Nexus 6P, which I love, but battery issues, and the speakers have gotten bad, so need a new phone in the next month or so. I originally liked the Pixel 2 XL, but for $950 for the 128GB version, I find that outrageous, especially with the poor bad displays most are shipping with, and news today they are failing Quality Control tests from Google too now. I paid $499 for my 64GB Nexus 6P brand new from Google, to me the Pixel 2 XL is what a Nexus 8P could have been, and would have priced like $599 or so. Out of principle I won't give Google the cash for a Pixel. But let's not go there with this discussion.
- Essential @ $499 ( root and ROM's supposedly should start coming in November )
- OnePlus 5T @ ? $550 ? ( 6" display, fingerprint scanner on the rear, 18:9 aspect ratio. Officially announcement due soon )
I want a stock Android type OS, with good battery life, that will get me 6h Screen On time or more. I want a bright display, and smooth OS. I always root my phones, and maybe a custom ROM too. And I want the price under $600. So Essential or OnePlus 5T ?
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I came from the 6p then HTC u11. I love the essential. I always root and flash latest and greatest but that is not available and we may never see a strong dev community. With that being said the essential is amazing stock. Between the one plus and essential I think it'll come down to preference. The essential looks and feels great while the one plus looks very Samsung like. I do not regret the 700 I spent on the essential and might cancel my pixel 2 xl order after seeing all the screen issues. But I'll for sure keep the essential

Zorachus said:
Ok, so want a new phone coming from my current Nexus 6P, which I love, but battery issues, and the speakers have gotten bad, so need a new phone in the next month or so. I originally liked the Pixel 2 XL, but for $950 for the 128GB version, I find that outrageous, especially with the poor bad displays most are shipping with, and news today they are failing Quality Control tests from Google too now. I paid $499 for my 64GB Nexus 6P brand new from Google, to me the Pixel 2 XL is what a Nexus 8P could have been, and would have priced like $599 or so. Out of principle I won't give Google the cash for a Pixel. But let's not go there with this discussion.
- Essential @ $499 ( root and ROM's supposedly should start coming in November )
- OnePlus 5T @ ? $550 ? ( 6" display, fingerprint scanner on the rear, 18:9 aspect ratio. Officially announcement due soon )
I want a stock Android type OS, with good battery life, that will get me 6h Screen On time or more. I want a bright display, and smooth OS. I always root my phones, and maybe a custom ROM too. And I want the price under $600. So Essential or OnePlus 5T ?
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I think that we all are missing an important feature from Essential, mods. Yes, we only have on the moment but maybe in a few months essential and third party will bring great features to the essential phone using mods. That for me gives an advantage to the essential over OP5T, because software and hardware are almost the same.

Little worried buying one from Best Buy, scared it may be old original manufactured units, and the ones bought directly from Essential themselves would be newer manufactured phones, with fixes ?

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Little worried buying one from Best Buy, scared it may be old original manufactured units, and the ones bought directly from Essential themselves would be newer manufactured phones, with fixes ?
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At least if you get it from Best Buy you can pick it up or they will actually give you shipping information. Ordered one from the Essential website at 7am yesterday, got order confirmation, they took the money and I have heard nothing since about shipping.

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At least if you get it from Best Buy you can pick it up or they will actually give you shipping information. Ordered one from the Essential website at 7am yesterday, got order confirmation, they took the money and I have heard nothing since about shipping.
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I ordered mine Sunday and didn't get the shipping info until today. Should be here by Friday.

Zorachus said:
Little worried buying one from Best Buy, scared it may be old original manufactured units, and the ones bought directly from Essential themselves would be newer manufactured phones, with fixes ?
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What is wrong with the older batch of essential phones?

nujak said:
I ordered mine Sunday and didn't get the shipping info until today. Should be here by Friday.
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Got my info late yesterday as well. Mine is also Friday by 10:30. Seems they have no warehousing in the US since they ship from China.

Zorachus said:
Little worried buying one from Best Buy, scared it may be old original manufactured units, and the ones bought directly from Essential themselves would be newer manufactured phones, with fixes ?
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I purchased mine form Best Buy yesterday and it seems fine. I haven't even looked at the speaker grill and I'm not going to. My phone seems perfect so far, and if something goes wrong in the future, I'll just send it to Essential. All of the problems I've had in the last month with other flagships, the Essential phone is a breath of fresh air.
Edit...This phone against other flagships. I would either get this phone or the OnePlus. But I chose the Essential because of the beautiful hardware, and big screen on a small frame.

Old essential phones
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What is wrong with the older batch of essential phones?
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I am also curious as to what the difference is. I bought mine from Best buy as well.

shango22 said:
I am also curious as to what the difference is. I bought mine from Best buy as well.
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There have been complaints about the speaker grill on older phones. Apparently Essential used a piece of fabric as the speaker grill. This fabric seems to be damaged easily. If you get a newer phone, this fabric has been replaced with a something else, maybe metal, I don't know. I'm not going to worry about it though. There have also been reports of the newer phones having tougher ceramic on the back, more scratch resistant. That is pure speculation though. I say don't worry about these things, and enjoy your new phone. If you have a problem later, surely Essential will fix it.

lyall29 said:
There have been complaints about the speaker grill on older phones. Apparently Essential used a piece of fabric as the speaker grill. This fabric seems to be damaged easily. If you get a newer phone, this fabric has been replaced with a something else, maybe metal, I don't know. I'm not going to worry about it though. There have also been reports of the newer phones having tougher ceramic on the back, more scratch resistant. That is pure speculation though. I say don't worry about these things, and enjoy your new phone. If you have a problem later, surely Essential will fix it.
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I see. Yes mine is definitely "metal" I'm guessing titanium? It looks no different than the rest of the side band.

I've keep hearing speaker grill issue and I just got one from Best Buy the day before. What exactly the speaker grill issue is? Any photo?
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PowerPC said:
I've keep hearing speaker grill issue and I just got one from Best Buy the day before. What exactly the speaker grill issue is? Any photo?
THanks
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. There is a thread with photos on Reddit about this. Essential was replacing older phones with new phones with an updated speaker grill, but now someone said that they are repairing the phones instead of replacing them. I don't think it's a big issue myself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/essential/comments/74bkv5/here_is_the_difference_in_speaker_grills/
Edit...FYI, the speaker grill on last year's Pixel is also fabric.

lyall29 said:
I wouldn't worry too much about it. There is a thread with photos on Reddit about this. Essential was replacing older phones with new phones with an updated speaker grill, but now someone said that they are repairing the phones instead of replacing them. I don't think it's a big issue myself.
https://www.reddit.com/r/essential/comments/74bkv5/here_is_the_difference_in_speaker_grills/
Edit...FYI, the speaker grill on last year's Pixel is also fabric.
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My phone has the old style speaker grill, and I could really care less. I'm not sure why so many people think this is an actual issue.
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DISCUSSION how is the price going down on swappa?

I was trying to sell one pixel 2 xl on swappa and the prices are going crazy low. How are all these people selling new 128 GB for just $700ish range ? The phone isn't really that old yet.

Verizon's running a $300 off on it.

I'm noticing the same thing. I considered selling my 2 XL and picking up a OnePlus 5T. When I took a look at pricing on SWAPPA I was very surprised to see the current prices people are selling the phone for. Previously, the Nexus/Pixel line-up held their value much better than what I'm seeing with the current 2 XL. It's sad but I think it can be chalked up to all the bad publicity this phone keeps receiving. Talk of these issues is seemingly more widespread than I thought.
For instance, on Christmas day a family member was checking out my phone and even though he is not a tech guy by any means, even he brought up the screen burn-in issues as well as the speaker buzzing noise issues. It threw me off, to be honest. Especially considering that this is a guy who never researches phones and has stuck with the Galaxy phone line-up simply because I recommended it to him like 3 years ago.
There is a reason why both Google and the carriers have already dropped the price. It sucks and it's directly affecting resale value.
On the plus side, I've experienced no issues with my device and it's the best phone I've ever owned. So this is just a good nudge for me to hold onto it and enjoy it longer, rather than making a jump to something else and inevitably regretting it.

Add to this, the starting prices were up there with the iPhone X and Samsung Note 8! Previously Nexus phones were a good bit cheaper than the highest premium phones...this is why they were able to hold value longer.

True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing

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True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing
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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.

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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.

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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.
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As for last year you really can't compare, unfortunately. Google didn't give 5 cents off the Pixel or the XL even on black Friday. Verizon had one day, and that was BF, that they gave a tremendous deal of $10 / month and $15 for the XL for 24 months. That was it! Eventually they had a lame trade in deal but nothing from Google. This year is way different. There is really no reason to be spending more than 4 or 5 hundred for any of the devices with trade in at Google and VZW. I mean I believe that VZW even has a $300 off with no trade in! But then you're locked into them for 2 years and no bl unlock. So I believe that the price will not drop past the 6 or 7 number for some time. But I've been wrong once or twice..

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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!

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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!
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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.

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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.

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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.
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Oh man the LG phone software dept is need of a revamp. It has been awful! I had a G4, G5, & G6 and literally could only use for a few days it was so bad!
I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.
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Yeah you should try the s8 or note 8. They are extremely fluid compared to the pixel not quite as fluid but very very close. Also the extra ram in note is helpful especially with the kitchen sink approach
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I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.

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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.
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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!

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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!
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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.

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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.

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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.

sn0warmy said:
If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.
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I mean I don't travel on the road but I love almost everything about phone except just slightly too tall and fingerprint sensor placement. I use pen to keep screen clean if hands are dirty etc
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Trade your Nexus 6 for $300 off ...

Nexus 6 made a list for a trade in program on T-Mobile for OnePlus 6T. No joke.

This makes things interesting now ....
What to do ....
[NG]Owner

I didn't even check the list because I thought there was no way the Nexus 6 would be on there. Now decisions have to be made, lol

Trade your Nexus 6 for $300 off ...
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No.

Just got oneplus 6T.
$580 T-Mobile version, I payed only taxes. $300 trade off split in 24 months as a credit for your account, I am paying $11.67/month for 24 months.
The guy didn't care about Lineage running, all he did he checked if the phone is working. He also checked how much is trade in value of my Nexus - it came out to be $0.00

velishka said:
Just got oneplus 6T.
$580 T-Mobile version, I payed only taxes. $300 trade off split in 24 months as a credit for your account, I am paying $11.67/month for 24 months.
The guy didn't care about Lineage running, all he did he checked if the phone is working. He also checked how much is trade in value of my Nexus - it came out to be $0.00
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And how do you like it plan to trade mine in on Friday

It's pretty good, super fast, I was holding them side by side, trying to transfer everything and right away you feel those phones are not in the same category. Screen is big but size wise they are similar, because of the bezels. One plus is not as wide. Another good thing, it came with the case, so ignore your sales person trying to sell your one.
Fingerprint is pretty quick, I've read some concerns that it's not as fast as actual fingerprint sensor - I didn't feel it (so far). I turned off Pie gestures, still not used to them.
I felt sad tho when they took my Nexus 6.

I heard bootloader is locked though on T-Mobile version? Main reason not going through with the trade right now.

It is. It also has some T-Mobile apps, some of them easily removable (voice mail, ID, Tuesday), but T-Mobile official app and Unlock app (to request to take the phone to other network) are not removable. You can't even disable them. I've been told as soon I pay it off it will be unlocked. Upon the setup wizard T-Mo asks to collect some data to make "our experience" better which you should not agree to.
Also it has a stupid T-Mobile jingle as a ringtone and start up animation.

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It is. It also has some T-Mobile apps, some of them easily removable (voice mail, ID, Tuesday), but T-Mobile official app and Unlock app (to request to take the phone to other network) are not removable. You can't even disable them. I've been told as soon I pay it off it will be unlocked. Upon the setup wizard T-Mo asks to collect some data to make "our experience" better which you should not agree to.
Also it has a stupid T-Mobile jingle as a ringtone and start up animation.
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Cool! I was considering trading in my shamu for this, but I think I'll just buy mine from OnePlus and pay the full price. The less bumps in the road for modding the better. Plus I'm not ready to give up my shamu, I love this device still!

Can anyone confirm a locked bootloader with t mobile. I'm in Ohio and t mobile is receiving their inventory op6t's today. I'm going to go check out the developer menu on the demo and see if there's an oem unlock or anything. But if anyone can confirm beforehand that would be great. T mobile phones have not given me any issues with rooting or ROMs either way. It's who I have had for 12 years. Also, this is not confirmed either but customer care said they think t mobile may do a bogo with post paid accounts as well. Launching on the first. So who knows. They have never been wrong telling me this kinda stuff before.. but bye bye Shamu.

jacksummers said:
Can anyone confirm a locked bootloader with t mobile. I'm in Ohio and t mobile is receiving their inventory op6t's today. I'm going to go check out the developer menu on the demo and see if there's an oem unlock or anything. But if anyone can confirm beforehand that would be great. T mobile phones have not given me any issues with rooting or ROMs either way. It's who I have had for 12 years. Also, this is not confirmed either but customer care said they think t mobile may do a bogo with post paid accounts as well. Launching on the first. So who knows. They have never been wrong telling me this kinda stuff before.. but bye bye Shamu.
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So I've been checking the OnePlus 6t forum here on XDA. The thing about the T-Mobile version is this. If you trade in your Nexus 6, they WILL take off $300. BUT the bootloader is locked, and T-Mobile will set you up on a 2 year installment plan. They won't let you unlock your bootloader until the 2 years is up, even IF you pay it off in full. If you want to unlock your bootloader before 2 years (I'm sure most do) buy from OnePlus. I don't recommend the trade in for this reason.
Website to unlock T-Mobile bootloader: unlockbootloader.oneplus.com

H4X0R46 said:
So I've been checking the OnePlus 6t forum here on XDA. The thing about the T-Mobile version is this. If you trade in your Nexus 6, they WILL take off $300. BUT the bootloader is locked, and T-Mobile will set you up on a 2 year installment plan. They won't let you unlock your bootloader until the 2 years is up, even IF you pay it off in full. If you want to unlock your bootloader before 2 years (I'm sure most do) buy from OnePlus. I don't recommend the trade in for this reason.
Website to unlock T-Mobile bootloader: unlockbootloader.oneplus.com
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Well, as with most higher end devices, we usually find a way to mod, root and do whatever, even with a locked bootloader.so I'm not scared.been with t mobile 13 years

I wouldn't trade my Nexus 6 in for anything...There is nothing out there (new phones) that comes close to what this phone offers. I can run the latest OS with ease. The screen on this bad boy is still better in my opinion then anything out there. I like the shape 16.9 vs the new 18.9. ( I think that is how they are classified ). So what if were short a little bit of ram. The development community is still strong with the nexus 6. My phone is quicker now then when I got it and I've had it since it came out. I could go on but I wont. My nexus 6 is staying right where it is. In my hands now. Anyone trading it is foolish.

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I wouldn't trade my Nexus 6 in for anything...There is nothing out there (new phones) that comes close to what this phone offers. I can run the latest OS with ease. The screen on this bad boy is still better in my opinion then anything out there. I like the shape 16.9 vs the new 18.9. ( I think that is how they are classified ). So what if were short a little bit of ram. The development community is still strong with the nexus 6. My phone is quicker now then when I got it and I've had it since it came out. I could go on but I wont. My nexus 6 is staying right where it is. In my hands now. Anyone trading it is foolish.
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This..
And to add,
I got the Nexus 6 purely for the screen size, I my self have big hands, and the battery sucked on stock 7.1.1 BUT with the awesome Dev's backing the Nexus 6, I'm running latest Pie OS, buttery smooth, with Franco kernel can easily get through a full day. . Suffice it to say, I'm also keeping the Nexus 6. Comparing the latest flagships vs the Nexus 6 specs are on par, and with the notchless design I say this is a win, win.
It does have a forehead and a chin, but there are countless times I've dropped my Shamus and it survived, (with a case), my buddy has a shock proof case as well on his Samsung s8 and has cracked his screen twice. Got it replaced and is cracked again. No thank you.

I jumped ship, (still missing my n6 lol, the reason I am here) first thing thanks to OP for starting this thread that helped me decide. 2nd I got my bootloader unlocked, I made sure to check the phone, put an active sim in, hit unlock in unlock app before they processed the ordered, that unlocked the phone immediately, and next I requested unlock.bin key from 1+, waiting on it to arrive next week. I love the phone, its better in every aspect but one, wide screen on n6 that this one lacks. other than that 6T is pretty stellar. I am totally impressed by quality. i am sure in less than a month xda will have many ROMs. My n6 battery was dying to the point of 2-2.5 hrs battery per charge and charging port itself was failing, rather than spending 30-40$ that way, I just upgraded for 300, GOT 36$ CREDIT FOR 64GB VERSION so I am happy. if this trade in offer comes again, I would recommend it to anyone.

can anyone pls explain how this work?
is this avaliable for europe?

do you think this type of deal will ever come back?
i am under contract with VZW till January
but i would move to t mobile if this deal existed .

kidhudi said:
do you think this type of deal will ever come back?
i am under contract with VZW till January
but i would move to t mobile if this deal existed .
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You might get T-mo to pay off your VZW contract. It has been a while, but they paid off my wife's.