S7E - Install Magisk without wipe or flashing TWRP - Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge Questions and Answers

Hi guys,
S7E Exynos International 935F here.
Is it possible to temp flash TWRP just to install Magisk?
Is it possible to flash anything useful using stock recovery? (Which seems to happen after booting with vol up+ home + power and waiting for abit)
Will the modded/patched boot image trip knox?
Main objective is to do a titanium backup, wipe the phone, reinstall minimum stuff + app data for that minimum stuff.
Will a ROM like Black Diamond be considered custom and thus trip knox?
Thanks!

TWRP = trip knox.
ivoryroot ( Xperia) for Samsung?
I think not, knox is not drm keys

Airbag888 said:
Hi guys,
S7E Exynos International 935F here.
Is it possible to temp flash TWRP just to install Magisk?
Is it possible to flash anything useful using stock recovery? (Which seems to happen after booting with vol up+ home + power and waiting for abit)
Will the modded/patched boot image trip knox?
Main objective is to do a titanium backup, wipe the phone, reinstall minimum stuff + app data for that minimum stuff.
Will a ROM like Black Diamond be considered custom and thus trip knox?
Thanks!
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Any custom binary (whether twrp or samsung based custom roms or aosp based custom roms) will trigger knowx bit..
And no you can't install anything useful in stock recovery. Twrp isn't that heavy lol. You can keep it because it is 1000% more useful then stock recovery : )
And no, you cannot even flash magisk without twrp ; )
Want twrp-less root ? And a systemless too like magisk ? Try cf auto root- create your own root file (you can choose system less option there! ) and flash it using odin, other options like magisk or super su require twrp..
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shah22 said:
Any custom binary (whether twrp or samsung based custom roms or aosp based custom roms) will trigger knowx bit..
And no you can't install anything useful in stock recovery. Twrp isn't that heavy lol. You can keep it because it is 1000% more useful then stock recovery : )
And no, you cannot even flash magisk without twrp ; )
Want twrp-less root ? And a systemless too like magisk ? Try cf auto root- create your own root file (you can choose system less option there! ) and flash it using odin, other options like magisk or super su require twrp..
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@shah22 Thanks!
Sorry if I'm being thick.
You mentioned custom binary - do you mean firmware or does that include recovery?
I was under the impression that installing systemless root like magisk (or as you mention cf auto root) would not trigger knox and also be hidden from detection from google and/or banking type apps
My main reason for root (temp twrp) would be to either be able to do a nandroid of my system or titanium before having to wipe everything. From what you're telling me that's not going to happen.
I went through a bunch of root-less apps like smart switch for example that never saved application data, only the apk
Would you say there's a custom ROM that offers several features similar to stock but performs better with better battery life and is mature enough to be a daily driver? I saw Black Diamond but I'm cautious and I realise knox will blow but right now outside of s-health I don't think I have any 'knox' data
Anyway thanks for your time

Airbag888 said:
@shah22 Thanks!
Sorry if I'm being thick.
You mentioned custom binary - do you mean firmware or does that include recovery?
I was under the impression that installing systemless root like magisk (or as you mention cf auto root) would not trigger knox and also be hidden from detection from google and/or banking type apps
My main reason for root (temp twrp) would be to either be able to do a nandroid of my system or titanium before having to wipe everything. From what you're telling me that's not going to happen.
I went through a bunch of root-less apps like smart switch for example that never saved application data, only the apk
Would you say there's a custom ROM that offers several features similar to stock but performs better with better battery life and is mature enough to be a daily driver? I saw Black Diamond but I'm cautious and I realise knox will blow but right now outside of s-health I don't think I have any 'knox' data
Anyway thanks for your time
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Flashing any firmware or recovery NOT signed by samsung triggers knox bit irreversibly, so flashing anything other then samsung stock WILL result in knox being triggered.. so now you know bruh xD
Any root systemless or not, any rom which is modified will trigger knox. Till now there is NO root method which doesn't triggers knox..
If you want fast stable rom, you can try black diamond rom yeah.. but i will recommend flashing latest stock oreo rom for your region and then flashing twrp+magisk plus debloat it and add any other mods you want. This way it may get less bugs then custom rom, and maybe more stable and faster, upto your preference..
And yeah, triggering knox causes samsung pay, secure folder / encryption to not work properly.. some other samsung related services and some banking apps too..
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shah22 said:
Flashing any firmware or recovery NOT signed by samsung triggers knox bit irreversibly, so flashing anything other then samsung stock WILL result in knox being triggered.. so now you know bruh xD
Any root systemless or not, any rom which is modified will trigger knox. Till now there is NO root method which doesn't triggers knox..
If you want fast stable rom, you can try black diamond rom yeah.. but i will recommend flashing latest stock oreo rom for your region and then flashing twrp+magisk plus debloat it and add any other mods you want. This way it may get less bugs then custom rom, and maybe more stable and faster, upto your preference..
And yeah, triggering knox causes samsung pay, secure folder / encryption to not work properly.. some other samsung related services and some banking apps too..
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Haha that does clear things up thanks!
I used to try/flash custom ROMs back in the day (think nexus 1, S2, S3) then got too busy (2 kids popped up plus more work responsibilities) to delve into the community to keep up on what can and cannot be done.
My biggest gripe right now is there's no 'stock' method to nandroid where you actually save application data =\
Anyway I also naively thought you could push a custom recovery not to be flashed but just to run in fastboot so you could perform the nandroid / other stuff.. guess not
I do appreciate your advice on the way forward. I wonder if I can easily copy my s-health data to g-fit for example and be done with it :shrug:

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Root galaxy s4 on lollipop

Is there a root procedure for the galaxy s4 that's on the newest lollipop update ? I was able to root with kingroot but read its not safe to use kingroot and try install a custom rom ?
dpmeeks said:
Is there a root procedure for the galaxy s4 that's on the newest lollipop update ? I was able to root with kingroot but read its not safe to use kingroot and try install a custom rom ?
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CF-autoroot or flash TWRP then in TWRP flash SuperSU
Kingroot and SuperSU_me method works also... Watch the entire process in 2 parts... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnYFDQ1Vio
K94U said:
Kingroot and SuperSU_me method works also... Watch the entire process in 2 parts... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWnYFDQ1Vio
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Have you lost root since? I've read a lot about people loosing root after a few hours to a couple of days. Any other issues, like random crashes / freezes / reboots?
Ezintn said:
Have you lost root since? I've read a lot about people loosing root after a few hours to a couple of days. Any other issues, like random crashes / freezes / reboots?
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That's why flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the safest/easiest way to root, it's about as straightforward as it gets
mattzeller said:
That's why flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the safest/easiest way to root, it's about as straightforward as it gets
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Wasn't aware I could flash a custom recovery on a stock unrooted phone. I don't use the s4, that's why both of the ones I own aren't rooted already, my personal phones are often rooted before I even get home from the store! I need root and su without tripping knox or making any significant changes to the current set-up on either phone. I would prefer the recovery was stock on at least one of 'em. So how should I go about this? One is a tri band and the other isn't. The dual band one needs to be as stealth as possible. Losing root really won't matter as long as the system permissions remain as is prior to losing root.
Ezintn said:
Wasn't aware I could flash a custom recovery on a stock unrooted phone. I don't use the s4, that's why both of the ones I own aren't rooted already, my personal phones are often rooted before I even get home from the store! I need root and su without tripping knox or making any significant changes to the current set-up on either phone. I would prefer the recovery was stock on at least one of 'em. So how should I go about this? One is a tri band and the other isn't. The dual band one needs to be as stealth as possible. Losing root really won't matter as long as the system permissions remain as is prior to losing root.
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Flashing a custom recovery is going to trip knox. Why do you care about knox? Triband or not flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the same. If you lose root and have things that require root to operate, you will lose the function of those things, unless it's a one off type of thing
mattzeller said:
Flashing a custom recovery is going to trip knox. Why do you care about knox? Triband or not flashing TWRP and SuperSU is the same. If you lose root and have things that require root to operate, you will lose the function of those things, unless it's a one off type of thing[/QU
It's imperative that root is stealth. Just need to give one app already running su permissions. On one device knox is monitored, that's why I care. I wouldn't care on my s5, but I never tripped it anyway - rooted with modified stock recovery, flashed MOAR, flashed TWRP. Been using MAOR and TWRP since each was first released. Been rooted on my personal devices since 3 days after the Hero was released. I've just never rooted the s4 or "stealth rooted" any device. That's why Kingroot / SSM looks promising. Any help would be appreciated.
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Can't Unroot S4?

So, i tried to Root my GF's I9506 with CF-Autoroot.
Safteynet fails and PokemonGo doesn't work, login problems.
I Unrooted trough SuperSU, restarted the phone a couple of times but PoGo still wont login.
She's on Stock Samsung Rom with Stock Recovery.
What can i do?
I was able to Re-Root with SuperSU for some reason. Had to update the binary tho. That's strange...
Shouldnt work if SuperSU unrooted in the first place?
Maybe it leaves files behind. If you're interested, there are ways to hide root from the game.
Anyway, the only sure way to remove root would probably be the flashing of a stock ROM.
Pwnycorn said:
Maybe it leaves files behind. If you're interested, there are ways to hide root from the game.
Anyway, the only sure way to remove root would probably be the flashing of a stock ROM.
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Hmm. She really dosen't want to do a factory reset. so i guess i have to hide it then..
I think there are a few options i think all of them needs another recovery though:
Magisk + Magiskhide + phh
SuperSu, Suhide
Something called iSu.
Might it help to root again, remove anu "Su" files and folders trough ES Filexplorer? Then unroot from SuperSu?
If the phone is running a stock ROM, flashing a stock ROM usually leaves all of the data intact.
Dallebull85 said:
Hmm. She really dosen't want to do a factory reset. so i guess i have to hide it then..
I think there are a few options i think all of them needs another recovery though:
Magisk + Magiskhide + phh
SuperSu, Suhide
Something called iSu.
Might it help to root again, remove anu "Su" files and folders trough ES Filexplorer? Then unroot from SuperSu?
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Removing any root file live might break root, which in turn won't let you remove any of the other files left.
Besides, you don't even know what files to look for.
Having a custom recovery won't affect her usage of the phone, nor the game. Besides, it gives you the benefit of making a Nandroid backup.
Ty for all the answers. So a custom Recovery doesn't trigger Saftynet?
Might as well install TWRP, backup and try to reflash stock rom from there.
Samsung Galaxy S4 International Qualcomm (jfltexx)
Samsung Galaxy S4 LTE Advanced i9506 (ks01lte)
Which one? i suppose its the 9506, flashhing my old CF-autoroot for my 9505(jfltexx) didn't work.
To flash a stock ROM, you need Odin, Samsung phone drivers, and the stock ROM from sammobile.com.
OK. But i'll do a backup on twrp first. Ty ty
Fixed it! Reflashed stock Rom with Odin and now Pogo works again!
Ty a lot for all the help. you guys are the best!

Unlock bootloader and "live' boot a recovery (without flashing) Root not wanted.

I would like to move an app or two into system apps without root, this is possible with TWRP, I have done on an old HTC ONE M7.
1. Would this still trip KNOX? (On HTC, this method still passed safety net, I left twrp without installing it).
2. Could I go back to stock recovery afterwards?
3. Where do I start? I'm an ex HTC user.
Thanks for any support, I have an Exynos S8 SM-G950F bought in UK.
1) yes
2) yes but knox is still tripped so whats the point of going back?
3) twrp thread in the dev section, or cf autoroot thread

A normal or a systemless root (S5 Neo G903F)

I want to root my phone, and I haven't been doing that kind of stuff since S3 so I'm a bit lost.
I've read the thread about root by Chainfire. From what I understand, this can be used for a phone with Android 6.01, right? On the other hand, I've read about a systemless root. Can this be done with my phone model and this Android version?
My main concern is the warranty. I know the first solution will trip the knox. What about the latter? Would this be better in my situation?
(And a minor question: my phone has found a software update. Should I do it before or after rooting my phone, or does it matter at all?)
for me and it can be different for other users, i have a preference for system root.
if you just want a stable root on your phone, and don't care about passing google security checks (safetynet) you should choose chainfires supersu. just download the latest zip (assuming you already have a custom recovery) and flash it. supersu will "decide" which rooting method (system/systemless) fits to your phone.
The more advanced method is magisk-root which gives you no option for system-root. the whole magisk concept is based on systemless changes to the system partition. it gives you the opportunity to pass safetynet and to add systemless modules. the downside is, that the usability (due to it's complexity) can sometimes be a bit tricky (trial and error )
hope this helped for your decision..
BTW: afaik is knox triggered with both methods
drei.liter.milch said:
if you just want a stable root on your phone, and don't care about passing google security checks (safetynet) you should choose chainfires supersu. just download the latest zip (assuming you already have a custom recovery) and flash it. supersu will "decide" which rooting method (system/systemless) fits to your phone.
The more advanced method is magisk-root which gives you no option for system-root. the whole magisk concept is based on systemless changes to the system partition. it gives you the opportunity to pass safetynet and to add systemless modules. the downside is, that the usability (due to it's complexity) can sometimes be a bit tricky (trial and error )
hope this helped for your decision..
BTW: afaik is knox triggered with both methods
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To add something: if supersu installs in systemless mode you can bypass it.
Flash the supersu zip
Reboot
Go to supersu and select full root wipe
Click no when asked to restore boot image
Your phone will automatically reboot don't let it go to system, go to recovery
With twrp go to terminal and enter this command without quotes "echo SYSTEMLESS=false>>/data/.supersu
Reinstall supersu zip
Reboot
You yave system root :good:
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Thanks for your replies! I do not care about safetynet. I do care about warranty but from what I see, there is no way around this.
Would you update phone's software first?
Joanka said:
Thanks for your replies! I do not care about safetynet. I do care about warranty but from what I see, there is no way around this.
Would you update phone's software first?
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Yeah update your system first and if you need warranty just full wipe root and select yes for biit image restore from supersu let us know if it works for you and don't hesitate to ask if you need anything
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Thanks for your help! I'm updating the sofware right now and I will proceed with the root.
"just full wipe root and select yes for biit image restore from supersu" -I think I'm not sure what it means. Would you explain it a little bit more?
Joanka said:
Thanks for your help! I'm updating the sofware right now and I will proceed with the root.
"just full wipe root and select yes for biit image restore from supersu" -I think I'm not sure what it means. Would you explain it a little bit more?
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Yes, click full unroot and click yes for boot image restore but no for recovery restore
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I have mine (S5 Neo G903W) rooted and as far as I can tell if you want your warranty you can unroot it anytime
The phone provider however doesn't state anything about rooting or whatnot and I am not a type of person who does stupid stuff that needs a warranty anyway lol
For warranty they can check knox status, if is tripped usually is void

How do I do a system less root?

Hi all,
I'm currently running a custom rom, but android pay and some other apps can detect the root and thus don't work.
How do I go about achieving a system less root?
Thanks
Anyone?
Short steps are :
Stock rom is recommended for this (but you can try on custom rom too.. it may not work)
>Install twrp
>don't do swipe for modifications in twrp and keep system read only
>format data in twrp > now flash latest magisk from twrp
>now flash system less devbase 2.1 from here https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development/samsung-systemless-devbase-encryption-t3517178/
>now reboot the device.. it may delete some pre installed apps you need to download them manually from playstore which you like..
There's another way too using SU hide.. for that read this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/guide-onelatest-stock-fw-csc-root-t3702963/
And pls read everything multiple times before doing anything ..
Be careful with these flashing and rooting things .. whatever you do , do it on your own risk.. no one is responsible for any damage to the device..
Also whatever you do .. BE SURE THAT OEM UNLOCK IS ENABLED IN DEVELOPER OPTIONS..OR YOU MAY GET STUCK BADLY...
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