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Hey friends I would like to know which smartphone is better compared to battery life, camera, updates and over all performance and why?,
If you plan on unlocking the bootloader, but want to keep the factory warranty get the OPT. If you don't care about the warranty or you don't plan on unlocking the bootloader, then get the Moto X Style. I personally have the OPT, but that was just because of my great experience with the OPO. I was rather disappointed though. If I could do it all over again, I would have gotten the Nexus 6P or the Moto X Style.
I've been having some random freezing on my OPT. Mainly when pulling down the notification drawer. Pretty annoying to me, especially when my OPO still runs like a dream! OxygenOS isn't mature enough to be a widely used daily driver yet IMO.
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If you plan on unlocking the bootloader, but want to keep the factory warranty get the OPT. If you don't care about the warranty or you don't plan on unlocking the bootloader, then get the Moto X Style. I personally have the OPT, but that was just because of my great experience with the OPO. I was rather disappointed though. If I could do it all over again, I would have gotten the Nexus 6P or the Moto X Style.
I've been having some random freezing on my OPT. Mainly when pulling down the notification drawer. Pretty annoying to me, especially when my OPO still runs like a dream! OxygenOS isn't mature enough to be a widely used daily driver yet IMO.
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Okay.. Well lemme ask you something. If we unlock the bootloader in Moto X and then if we lock it back, don't you think we can get the warranty...? Something like we usually do in old days.
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Okay.. Well lemme ask you something. If we unlock the bootloader in Moto X and then if we lock it back, don't you think we can get the warranty...? Something like we usually do in old days.
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I wouldn't count on that solution. You might could consider getting something like a 3rd party accidental warranty. That should keep it covered even if you unlock the bootloader.
Considering the camera which one would be better?
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Considering the camera which one would be better?
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They're both very good. Pretty much interchangeable. After owning the op2 for about 5 months now I can't express enough how terribly I want a moto x. I've had quite a few problems with this phone, if you don't plan on rooting than the moto x is the easy winner
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They're both very good. Pretty much interchangeable. After owning the op2 for about 5 months now I can't express enough how terribly I want a moto x. I've had quite a few problems with this phone, if you don't plan on rooting than the moto x is the easy winner
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I got one more phone which I really looking forward - LG G4
Had the Moto X Style before and like the OPT more.
I have OPT. I rooted it, installed a bunch of xposed modules and whatnot. Never had any significant problems with it. Performance (antutu score is way better than Moto X) and battery life are great (GSam reports 5:45 SOT). Also consider the fact that a 64GB Moto X costs at least $100 more than OPT. There only two factors where Moto X excels: quick charging and screen resolution.
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I have OPT. I rooted it, installed a bunch of xposed modules and whatnot. Never had any significant problems with it. Performance (antutu score is way better than Moto X) and battery life are great (GSam reports 5:45 SOT). Also consider the fact that a 64GB Moto X costs at least $100 more than OPT. There only two factors where Moto X excels: quick charging and screen resolution.
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Screen resolution is debatable, less battery, less performance and working on adreno 418... That's a choice, not a pro, personally i love that Oneplus 2 has a FullHD display and not a QHD, i could bought LG G4, Moto x pure, or whatever 500uds or less. I decided Oneplus 2 and im very happy with my decisión. Thanks god i didnt belive the overheating rumors, they are exagerated, my nexus 5 got hotter.
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I got one more phone which I really looking forward - LG G4
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I was between the same devices. My decisión was LG G4 or Oneplus 2. Moto X it was my third choice.
I choose the op2 because of this:
-Full HD screen : more battery and less GPU demanding
-SoC: 810 vs 808. That means ram lpddr4 vs lpddr3, adreno 418 (qHD) vs adreno 430 (FHD).
About heating, because of the rumors oneplus throttle the devices too fast, if you edited the thermal file with boeffla kernel you could have awesome performance, for more info about throttle pm me.
-Fingerprint scanner.
-XDA community, not too much for no but it will grow up. Oneplus is contacting devs from XDA, that must be a good thing.
-Capacitive buttons, so it does not take space from the screen
-Alert slider is useful, but lg g4 volume buttons are very nice too.
-4gb vs 3gb, its not a real life difference but maybe it will be.
EDIT:- Better battery life. 3300mah vs 3000mah, also fhd vs qhd must make a difference.
About nfc, for almost 2 years i never use it on my nexus 5, so its not a problem for me.
Hope you can decide for the best, come with us :fingers-crossed:
About heat: The Moto X felt a lot warmer than my OPT
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About heat: The Moto X felt a lot warmer than my OPT
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I heard a lot about it
Me too, I've been wavering between OP2 and X Style for 1 month, view all youtube videos about those phones, borrow my friends'
Then OP2 was my final decision, and I don't regret about it
There's no better phones over others, just this phone is suitable for you than the others
In details:
OP2 vs X Style
Screen: FullHD 5.5" is enough
RAM: 4GB vs 3GB
CPU: 810 v2.1 vs 808
Storage: 64GB is enough for me, but X Style has an expandable slot
VGA: Adreno 430 vs Adreno 418
Sensors: Fingerprint scanner, doubletap2wake, Gyroscope.. I don't need Moto Voice or Moto Ambient Display
Battery: 3300 mAh vs 3000 mAh
This is just my humble opinions about OP2's strength, of course there're lots of pros of X Style that maybe suitable for you, for example NFC, quick charging, slightly better camera, durable brand name Motorola,...
I'm a fanboy of Motorola, but sorry Moto, my decision this time is OP2 =)
And the decision was...?
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LG G4
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Im in love with the UI and Camera. I used Nexus phones and OPO before. Total new experience with this..
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I've been hoping for an announcement regarding the Moto X 2016. I currently have the Moto X 2015 and love the phone. I don't want the Moto Z due to the higher price and lack of front facing speakers. If there's no Moto X 2016/2017 what will you get?
I'm currently looking at the ZTE Axon 7. It has everything I was hoping for in this year's Moto X except Moto's awesome customization features to stock Android. It also has an awesome QHD AMOLED display, dual front facing speakers, fingerprint scanner on back, all aluminum build, support for microSD, support for dual SIM cards, and runs the same processor as the Galaxy S7 all at a $399 price tag. Reviews are amazing aside from the camera and it seems to be similar to the camera on my Moto X Pure. I can live with that.
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TBH, this will likely be my last Moto phone... Moto is not Motorola and the respect for customers and devices that Motorola had is gone under Lenovo, whether there is a Moto X 2016/2017 model or not, I won't be getting one.
The Axon 7 looks solid, but at this time I will probably stick with my MXPE, if I had to replace it today it would be a solid contender, along side the OnePlus 3, or the new LeEco devices announced today look interesting, or I would probably grab a sub-$200 budget or used device temporarily.
I see the Android market changing, with LeEco and Xiaomi bringing phones to the US market (or soon to be), other Chinese manufacturers will likely follow suit, which could bring about a revolution in the mid-range price and device category.
We had OG Droid Turbos. Decided that I wasn't wanting to deal with Lenovo anymore so we jumped over to the Note 7, and we all know how that went. So I was able to pick up MXPs for $250 each to tide us over till next year. As soon as the Note 8 or whatever the replacement for it is released, we are gone from Moto again.
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If I'm honest I have no idea. Decided for now to stick with X Style. I bought a OnePlus 3 the other week from a phone store but by the time it came to picking it up I'd decided it wasn't enough of an upgrade. Trying one in the shop it didn't feel all that faster than the Style though sure the benchmarks would say otherwise. No stereo speakers and although amoled, wasn't as bright. Not to mention Moto display, double twist for camera and double chop for torch.
I'll consider an X Style/Pure 2016/17 if there is even one. True, Lenovo have gone downhill as far as updates are concerned. It's to be seen how/if an upgrade to android 7 goes.
So I still like my X Style. If it fell under a bus tomorrow then maybe an OP3. More probable I'd get another X Style! I've looked Moto Z and not keen. Other than that I've considered a Samsung GS7 and even the Note 7. Axon 7 could be a contender but unavailable in the UK currently.
My Moto X Style is still stock and not had the urge to root or load a custom room. Works day in day out. Battery lasts most days but turbo charge it either by mains or vehicle soon tops it up. I have a tempered Glass screen protector but don't bother with a case and never takes any harm. I work outdoors in a rough manual environment. I still think as phones go it's underrated.
No more Moto for me. As a T-Mobile customer with the XT1575, and having the VoLTE choppy audio almost this entire year, and Moto not providing a fix but almost promising the fix will be in N if it ever gets released, I don't have any reason to give them any more of my money.
My wife's Honor 5x has been solid on CM13 and I am eyeing a pair of Honor 8 phones @ Best Buy for $400 each. I may wait for a price drop and CM14 as EMUI is a bit irritating at times.
Now that Lenovo seems to be killing the Moto brand, I hate Samsung software, LG has some hardware solder issues, I am beginning to like the one plus
A lot of folks are going with the Google Pixel XL phones, but I cannot stomach that ridiculous $800 price. About the only phone I would have purchased for near that price would have been the Note 7 had it not 'gone up in flames'. Thankfully I still have my MXPE trucking on, so I'll wait till next fall and decide then with whatever is available at a decent price. Maybe by then the Pixel XL's will come down in price from the stratosphere.
I heard the Moto Z is pretty good.
I like this phone, but I don't like the direction moto is trending. Nexus is dead.
OnePlus is looking like the best choice remaining for a modder/enthusiast.
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I heard the Moto Z is pretty good.
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Gets good enough reviews.
I said earlier that the Axon 7 wasn't available in the UK but I'm wrong as amazon have them. Price seems to have gone up to £482. It's got too expensive so off my list now. I'd pay a little more and buy a Moto z.
If it helps the discussion, there are already rumours of what the next moto X specs will be like:
http://www.gsmarena.com/moto_x_2016_gets_benchmarked_with_snapdragon_820_and_4gb_of_ram-news-17968.php
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If it helps the discussion, there are already rumours of what the next moto X specs will be like:
http://www.gsmarena.com/moto_x_2016_gets_benchmarked_with_snapdragon_820_and_4gb_of_ram-news-17968.php
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The Motorola XT1650 is the Moto Z....
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The Motorola XT1650 is the Moto Z....
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My bad, I meant to link this, since I swore that I read mention of a new moto x very recently... no specs, but there's at least a leak:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Mysterious-Motorola-device-leaked-Moto-X-2016-could-still-be-on_id86702
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My bad, I meant to link this, since I swore that I read mention of a new moto x very recently... no specs, but there's at least a leak:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Myst...-leaked-Moto-X-2016-could-still-be-on_id86702
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Saw that but I'm not convinced at all. It looks exactly like the Moto X Style/Pure except the bezels look a little more narrow. The picture is blurred except for the viewable screen. Even the most novice of Photoshop users could recreate this. For that matter, even the most basic photo editing software could do a better job than what is seen.
I plan on sticking with my Moto X Pure for a while. It performs very well in my opinion on the stock firmware, I've tried several ROMs and IMO it is hard to beat Moto's stock Android. The Snapdragon 808 is plenty powerful for day to day usage. I do a bit of 3D gaming as well, and with Nougat comes Vulkan, which is becoming more common, so that should help satisfy my need for graphics performance a while longer.
I went with the Axon 7. The hardware is essentially an updated Moto X Pure. The software is just as buggy but it looks like ZTE is so far responsive to making improvements.
TBH, I don't really see the need to upgrade my phone anymore.
I think specwise the number can keep getting bigger and bigger but for me, the specs that a phone truly need had peaked already.
I was really interested in the Moto Z and the Hasselblad camera attachment but I can't take the price at the moment. I received the MXPE for free so I can't complain too much about it. I am considering rooting because I want gravity box to change the navigation buttons and the dpi but I won't be doing much more than that.
Maybe this time next year when the new Pixel is on the way I'll get one of those or the Moto Z
it's hard decision since there is no true moto x alternative right now ;\ decent specs with great price and stock up to date android, since google killed nexus there is no other phone like that. Hopefully I don't have to make this decison yet because I've bought this phone few months before so I'll keep it for next few years.
the xiami mi mix looks very nice, with nova launcher - im really thinking of getting it, but will hold on until reviews come out
Quick question. Is it worth getting a G4 Plus or G5 Plus and replacing a Galaxy S5? The S5 has had it's bootloader cracked and is now unlockable if you have the right version of it. The Specs on the S5 seem to be a bit better than the G4 or G5 plus, but I like the features of Moto's. This device would be for my sister, who is in no way a power user. I do all her technical stuff for her. One advantage of the Moto's is they will be updated to Nougat where as the S5 will be done at MM, I think. Secondly the unlocking of the Moto bootloader is crazy simple and the S5 is a bit more involved. Any opinions are appreciated. Thank you.
Go for a Nokia 6 or G5 plus.
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Go for a Nokia 6 or G5 plus.
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I would wait until tests of both devices are published.
Galaxy s5 is seriously an aged device with ****tiest UI on top and lags ****! Even moto E is better in ui performance than it! Better get the g5+ variant! Releasing on March 17th
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Galaxy s5 is seriously an aged device with ****tiest UI on top and lags ****! Even moto E is better in ui performance than it! Better get the g5+ variant! Releasing on March 17th
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I agree, but the Spec's on the older SG5 are not the bad compared to the G5 Plus. It's not like the G5 Plus totally destroys the SG5. I do like the clean Moto interface and the Moto actions. Biometric unlocking is cool too. I am leaning towards the G5 Plus but wanted to see what others thought as well.
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I agree, but the Spec's on the older SG5 are not the bad compared to the G5 Plus. It's not like the G5 Plus totally destroys the SG5. I do like the clean Moto interface and the Moto actions. Biometric unlocking is cool too. I am leaning towards the G5 Plus but wanted to see what others thought as well.
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I really wouldn't get an S5 unless new. The majority of S5s out there are refurbs or used, and even then they cost upwards of $200. IF you CAN get it new for under $200, pick one up. Custom ROMs are aplenty for it and it has better hardware than the G4/G5 (SD801, better camera, waterproofing, etc.).
The G5 should get Android O later this year, even given Lenovo's spotty track record on updates.
The G4 won't get O unless through custom ROMs.
Age also matters. I would say that the G5 would be a little better durability wise given its metal construction, but I also don't know how old your sister is.
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I really wouldn't get an S5 unless new. The majority of S5s out there are refurbs or used, and even then they cost upwards of $200. IF you CAN get it new for under $200, pick one up. Custom ROMs are aplenty for it and it has better hardware than the G4/G5 (SD801, better camera, waterproofing, etc.).
The G5 should get Android O later this year, even given Lenovo's spotty track record on updates.
The G4 won't get O unless through custom ROMs.
Age also matters. I would say that the G5 would be a little better durability wise given its metal construction, but I also don't know how old your sister is.
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My original post might have been confusing, she currently has the S5. We are considering getting her the G5 Plus. She is not techie and wouldn't benefit in any way from a custom ROM. She wouldn't know how to do anything with custom firmware.
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My original post might have been confusing, she currently has the S5. We are considering getting her the G5 Plus. She is not techie and wouldn't benefit in any way from a custom ROM. She wouldn't know how to do anything with custom firmware.
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Ah OK, makes sense. Yeah, then I would go with the G5 Plus.
Personally, I think Lenovo dropped the ball with the Plus as the standard G has a removable back and battery, while the Plus does not.
The G4 has a removable back, and while it technically does not have a removable battery it can be removed with a few screws, connectors, and battery adhesive. So, in the long run, I would definitely prefer the G4.
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Ah OK, makes sense. Yeah, then I would go with the G5 Plus.
Personally, I think Lenovo dropped the ball with the Plus as the standard G has a removable back and battery, while the Plus does not.
The G4 has a removable back, and while it technically does not have a removable battery it can be removed with a few screws, connectors, and battery adhesive. So, in the long run, I would definitely prefer the G4.
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It is nice that the G4 has a removable battery, but I like the specs of the G5 Plus a bit more. She will upgrade her phone again in 2 years or so anyway. If the battery can't last that long then I'm done with Moto. We will keep the S5 as a backup and I plan on unlocking the boot loader if she has the version that is unlockable.
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it looks like the galaxy S5 is still getting security patches from Samsung. I am not sure about the G5 plus. Does anyone know how much longer the Galaxy S5 will get security patches for? Thanks
I guess to follow some others posting about opinions on going from current phone to the G5+, would it be a good upgrade from Moto X Pure? Or would it be more of a sidegrade?
I'd go to the 3T if I wasent on Verizon....
As battery life goes the g5 kills the Moto x. Performance is about the same with the 4gb model of the g5. You do get NFC, more custom roms, and bigger quad hd screen with the Moto x. The battery life killed it for me on the Moto x
I'm loving my upgrade from the Moto x 2015. Not a single regret, since I simply use my gear S2 for nfc payments.
Battery life on this phone though. Wow. Best battery life I've had on a phone in awhile
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As battery life goes the g5 kills the Moto x. Performance is about the same with the 4gb model of the g5. You do get NFC, more custom roms, and bigger quad hd screen with the Moto x. The battery life killed it for me on the Moto x
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I assume the development will start once more phones are out there for the additional ROMs. If anything, Im sure LineageOS will have something cooked up soon (If not already).
I just recently started using NFC on the Clark, because of Magisk with AICP. So the loss of NFC is not a deal killer because I only ever used it at a vending machine occasionally.
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I assume the development will start once more phones are out there for the additional ROMs. If anything, Im sure LineageOS will have something cooked up soon (If not already).
I just recently started using NFC on the Clark, because of Magisk with AICP. So the loss of NFC is not a deal killer because I only ever used it at a vending machine occasionally.
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Real weird strategy of Lenovo tho. We here in India have NFC but not compass. And in some countries they have compass and NFC.lol
Hi users and developers ,I am pretty much confused as for I should pick Moto g4+(3,32) by handing over my Moto Turbo (3,64),so can suggest your views as if it'd be a worthy upgrade or not?as far as I know the g4+ has software glitches creating the performance issues and wonder if they could solved by installing custom ROMs? awaiting for a quick reply, thanks in advance ??
no clue if it's a n upgrade
Don't know anything about your current phone.-
No software issue ever on my g4 plus.
The g4 plus is ok for a cheapy phone.
i DO have ghost touch off and on which is a pain in the ass though.
No compass also, some people want that.
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Hi users and developers ,I am pretty much confused as for I should pick Moto g4+(3,32) by handing over my Moto Turbo (3,64),so can suggest your views as if it'd be a worthy upgrade or not?as far as I know the g4+ has software glitches creating the performance issues and wonder if they could solved by installing custom ROMs? awaiting for a quick reply, thanks in advance
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if you can buy G5+ or G5s+ go for them as G4+ is a heater and have different problems for different users.
you should get g5+ which is defiantly good phone than g4+
The G5+ looks much better if you can afford it. As others said, the compass is missed in the G4+. Other than that, it's a great phone with a great battery life and I don't have ghost touch issues if I leave the screen brightness below 50%.
You should not go for g4+
I must tell you this phone heats a lot especially when you record a video, no matter which rom you are on. And there are different issues with different users like ghost touch, screen burn,random shutdowns/reboots,etc.
GeekyTanuj said:
Hi users and developers ,I am pretty much confused as for I should pick Moto g4+(3,32) by handing over my Moto Turbo (3,64),so can suggest your views as if it'd be a worthy upgrade or not?as far as I know the g4+ has software glitches creating the performance issues and wonder if they could solved by installing custom ROMs? awaiting for a quick reply, thanks in advance ??
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Nope don't ever pick g4+ when g5+ or g5s+ are way better in heat management and have premium design.
GeekyTanuj said:
Hi users and developers ,I am pretty much confused as for I should pick Moto g4+(3,32) by handing over my Moto Turbo (3,64),so can suggest your views as if it'd be a worthy upgrade or not?as far as I know the g4+ has software glitches creating the performance issues and wonder if they could solved by installing custom ROMs? awaiting for a quick reply, thanks in advance
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Go for g5+ instead of g4+. I'm currently using the g4+ and recently bought the g5+ for my brother and i must say that g5+ was 100 times better than the g4+. G4+ heats a lot if u play games and browsing with data etc... Whereas the g5+ doesn't even get warm with extreme gaming and multitasking,browsing etc...Also the battery life is terrible in g4+ as we have to charge for 2 times a day (my usage may differ with others) but on the g5+,the battery life is awesome. Note that both are having 3000mah battery but the processors are different which makes the g5+ more battery efficient and no heat rejection. Camera is also better in g5+ even though g4+ also takes good photos. Overall if u want to buy new phone i will 100% recommend g5+ over g4+ as i have seen both phones and used it.
I see lot of ppl recommending g5, but that was not your question!
I find the g4 to have a really nice and active community with a lot of stable and experimental roms. Oreo is soon to be stable.
The g5 is a newer device which will be upgraded to oreo officially, but is a more expensive device and it doesn't have official TWRP nor official lineageOS yet.
I have had many problems with my g4+ and it's replacement from Moto. On my first one I had a massive screen burn in issue, after 5 minutes of charging you could see the status bar icons when the status bar wasn't there. With the replacement, it kept bending so that if you put it on a flat surface only the top and bottom would be touching with the middle arcing upward about a millimeter. I also have had ghost touch issues on the replacement that happened whether or not it was charging. The only fix I found for that was to keep the brightness low. the G4+ is a fantastic phone for the price, if you can get one with no issues. As far as whether or not it is an upgrade from your Motorola Droid Turbo, here is a link to phone arena that compares the specs of the two phones (64 gigabyte models of each). I hope this helps you out, have a great day.
I have just purchased an used Moto G4 Plus XT1644 4GB + 64GB today at B&H Photo in excellent condition (10 out of 10), at least that's how they described it, for $138.50 shipped. It's arriving on Thursday. But I was not aware of these heating issues, screen burn in / ghost touches and so on... So now I'm kinda worried about my decision... My wife had an iPhone 6 and I converted her to a Moto G5 Plus about 3 to 4 months ago. She's very happy with the phone.
I only went with the G4 Plus because of the extra RAM, plenty storage space, external SD card reader and larger screen compared to the G5 Plus (*for the price I paid*). Most importantly, I bought the G4 Plus because it has ElementalX kernel, official Lineage OS support and TWRP as well. The combination of these three kept my Nexus 5 going for 3+ years before it gave up on me a few months ago. My N5 still works but it randomly shuts down and reboots when using demanding tasks like taking photos or when it heats up. As long as I can keep it frozen (out of the freezer - literally) it works just fine though. I've been using a crappy $60 Amazon Prime Exclusive phone, the Blu R1 HD on stock Marshmallow + Magisk / Xposed / Gravity Box / N-ify. Performance is fine considering what I paid for it. Thanks to the infamous fire.apk that plagued the R1 HD for months, I managed to get a full refund for that phone today. So I've got a free phone with malware basically.
I really wanted a 5.5" to 6" phone with good dev support on the cheap but as you know, both the G5 Plus / G5S Plus have a smaller 5.2" and very little dev support (compared to the G4 Plus). So I went with lower price, better dev support and slightly bigger screen on the G4 Plus.
What do you guys think?
@AndroidBR there's a dedicated thread if you are not sure which device you should buy https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179 please ask there.
Edit: the other thread about that https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846277
Edit 2: And this device forum has also a real life review sub forum: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/review awesome!
Edit 3: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/help/worth-buying-2017-t3604608 existing thread for this discussions
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@AndroidBR there's a dedicated thread if you are not sure which device you should buy https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179 please ask there.
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Thanks! But have you checked that page out? It's a very random, make a wish type of messages that no one cares to reply based on personal experience with the device. My post was in hopes of a feedback from people who currently own that device that I just bought. Because I was wondering if I should have invested more money on upgrading to the G5 Plus. "Worth the upgrade?" which I honestly think it's still on topic. If no one wants to take the time to entertain that thought it's fine. I just thought I'd share my own thoughts / reasoning behind my purchase of the G4 Plus instead of just "making a wish" that probably no one with answer objectively with authority on the subject. Get it?
Never mind. Bought a brand new G5 Plus 4+64 at Walmart for 154+tax. I think it's a better deal than the G4 Plus I purchased yesterday. I'll compare them both, particularly the screen size difference and max brightness. But I think you can't beat that price on a brand new phone.