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Not sure where else to ask but I was wondering if I could get a good answer on this. To the best of my knowledge, all CDMA hardware in the US is the same. Verizon and Sprint phones to date cannot be used outside of their native carrier. I was told that the software is the limitation. Since Android is now the common denominator, it is feasible to think that we will be able to activate verizon phones on sprint and vice versa. Im moving from ATT to Sprint but see some nice Verizon phones on the near horizon. Thanks.
you can switch from sprint to verizon just like you can from att to tmobile..
you'll get the voice network no problem, it's just that sometimes with the 3g/evdo they run on difference frequencies so you generally don't get their high speed internet
you also have to get the msl info to switch it over
nelson8403 said:
you can switch from sprint to verizon just like you can from att to tmobile..
you'll get the voice network no problem, it's just that sometimes with the 3g/evdo they run on difference frequencies so you generally don't get their high speed internet
you also have to get the msl info to switch it over
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thanks for the response. in saying that, is the hardware different? all my googling shows what they are the same hardware (frequency wise) but the software is different. so would it be possible for a dev to make the neccessary changes to use a phone on either verizon/sprint?
Its possible to do but the issue is getting everything and registered to work on the other carrier. Usually voice is not an issue its other things like data, mms or sms that can have issues.
The bottom line on this is you are going against the grain of what everyone else does so you can't expect to get much help from the carrier (the big 3).
If Verizon lets you. You would have to ask them to add your phone to their service. Any reason why you would though? If you're joining Verizon just get the Eris, or wait another month for the Dragon/Passion.
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I just did the Alltel to Verizon shuffle with my PPC6800. They reprogrammed the carrier over the air. This messed up my various MSL settings and was generally a PITA. I got into Tech Support and whines (being a girl helps) and they tried getting me different numbers until it all worked fine. I also needed to add a phone line while Alltel since I am waiting for a new phone. I bought one at Mal*Wart for Alltel. They tried again to program it OTA when the switch was made. Rinse repeat but again customer tech support (NOT the billing people) found more magic super double secret numbers and got both instruments working. If the hardware is the same they can fix it ALL through Tech Support over the air- just beg.
I work for Verizon and YES you can use another CDMA's carrier on Verizon. As far as using a VZW phone on Sprint, unless you know someone that can reprogram it, it's not gonna happen. I USE to work for Sprint and they have this "if it doesn't say Sprint, we won't allow it" policy.
Verizon has a request sheet if you want to use your CDMA phone on verizon. You have to fill it out and send it in with your phone. They say it takes a few weeks to get it back all programmed for VZW. I've never tried it but I know people have done it. They usually program phones that they already carry, like Sprint Touch Pro to Verizon Touch Pro.. all they did was flash the rom for Verizon and etc. I uploaded the form on here somewhere.
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yes; i switched to cricket
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580795
I know that Sprint and Verizon both use CDMA for their phones, but does anyone know if I could take my Sprint Hero to Verizon's network and have working coverage?
My sister just bought a Verizon phone and she has full coverage, with 3G, but my Hero frequently says it is roaming.
you can try... probably not gunna be easy to get them to enter that MEID into their system.
sprint doesnt charge extra for roaming UNLESS like, 60% of your calls are roaming, or something like that. In that case, they will actually call you and say "You're roaming too much, you should go to another cell phone provider" (unless the reps in my store are lying to people, lol... I just started working for sprint a couple weeks ago. Lots of people ask about roaming here)
No, Sprint doesn't charge for roaming, but if 60% of your minutes are roaming for 3+ months, they WILL call to discuss terminating your contract. As for Verizon taking on your hero, no, they 99% most likely will not. It's a VERY rare occasion they let a non verizon device on their network.
would be plenty easy to just sell your hero for a decent price and go to Verizon and get the Droid..
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would be plenty easy to just sell your hero for a decent price and go to Verizon and get the Droid..
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eww the droid?! id rather have an Eris. at least its HTC and u can still hang on XDA
HTC 4-life!!!
lol.. i'm not a big motorola fan, but i do like the high resolution screen..
I thought VZW used slightly different bands for EvDO than Sprint? Or maybe I'm just imagining that since AT&T uses different bands... hm.
Seriously, if you have that much of a coverage problem, I'd talk to Sprint about cancelling without an ETF. May have to talk to their retentions department... someone who works for Sprint could shed more light.
(Personally I'd switch to T-Mobile over VZW. Cheaper, and you have an international-standard GSM device ;P)
Highly unlikely Verizon will activate it since it is not in their ESN database even though they use the same bands. Sprint won't activate Verizon phones either.
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Highly unlikely Verizon will activate it since it is not in their ESN database even though they use the same bands. Sprint won't activate Verizon phones either.
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yup, if the phone doesnt say sprint either on the phone or in the firmware they will not activate it on their network.
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I thought VZW used slightly different bands for EvDO than Sprint? Or maybe I'm just imagining that since AT&T uses different bands... hm.
Seriously, if you have that much of a coverage problem, I'd talk to Sprint about cancelling without an ETF. May have to talk to their retentions department... someone who works for Sprint could shed more light.
(Personally I'd switch to T-Mobile over VZW. Cheaper, and you have an international-standard GSM device ;P)
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cheaper but they are way behind on there 3g network they're the reason i switched to VZW
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yup, if the phone doesnt say sprint either on the phone or in the firmware they will not activate it on their network.
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I used to activate non-vzw phones all the time. However, smartphones may not be handled the same.
pretty sure they'll take it...they started their "any app, any device" initiative in 2008
they won't take it. they specifically said they will only activate a phone if it's either unbranded or verizon branded. sprint branding is a no go.
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cheaper but they are way behind on there 3g network they're the reason i switched to VZW
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Around here they're pretty much the same. Also, I imagine where I am is on the short list for HSPA+ from TMo.
Anyway, this is a tangent heh.
I don't think you can swap phones between the CDMA sprint network and the Verizon CDMA network. Don't they use different parts of the spectrum?
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I don't think you can swap phones between the CDMA sprint network and the Verizon CDMA network. Don't they use different parts of the spectrum?
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Not sure about the different parts of the spectrum, but you can definitely move a phone between Sprint and Verizon (from a technical point of view). But you'll have a hard time getting Sprint to activate a Verizon phone on their network. Not sure about a Sprint phone on a Verizon network, but they did make a big deal about their "any device" announcement in 2008, which said that they would allow you to use any CDMA phone.
1. while talk of changing esn is strickly verbotten(i believe?) if one were to find a htc hero that had somehow become corrupt and the meid had been changed to all 00000000000000000's it would be possible to fix with qxdm (the htc hero is essentially the sprint branded htc droid eris)
2. in order to activate phones on the vzw network generally one would *228 ota a cellphone, however in the ota process a vzw phones SPC is (almost)always 000000 while the hero from sprint has a SPC which is a randomly(?) generated number
3. a proper vzw PRL must be loaded to a phone in order to make calls on the vzw network
4. MDN/MIN SID must be properly programmed in order to make calls on the vzw network
5. at this point you will likely need the assistance of a nice vzw tech, as the phone will 611 to vzw, but will not make calls (afaik this is due to a-key authentication?)
if you get the right person at vzw, ask the right questions(why doesnt my vzw branded phone call?), and you have performed the other steps correctly you should have TALK and TXT within 5 min
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-you will still show you are roaming all the time (now ALL the time actually)
-afaik visual voicemail does not work
-if you want data expect to use WIFI or spend a good amount of time studying another VZW handsets various data settings and a good amount of time on VZW support(have not even tried this)
-neither i nor xda are responsible for what you do to your phones and as always anything you do is at your own risk!
Something wierd happended last night. I was trying to install that JIt Dalvik install by following the direction on the gumbo 1.5c. I also attempted to used the mapdroyd app Any event after a reboot I had and when it loaded no signal showed , a damaged SD card sign showed. When attempting to place a call it asked me to dial *228 nothing would result of it . Any event a reformat and install on the OS again fixed. All.Any one know of any reason why that would of happened. I was truly experimenting out of curiosity
I can, and its been done
I would like everyone to know I just spent the last 3 days figuring ALL of this out.
As my understanding is, you can change esn as long as you are and "authorized user" and your not stealing anything, therefore if I have two phones I paid for, and I have service with Verizon (which makes me and authorized user as per their TOS.)
then its not illegal. Anyways, for the sake of education it is possible.
I've swapped out my esn/meid. Transferred all my info via qxdm service programming. uploaded a verizon prl. rooted. and now im looking for a suitable Verizon based rom for the hero... I'm attempting to put a stock 2.1 eris rom on right now. (btw the phone texted and called just fine, I just want to have a complete verizon based rom for the finishing touches)
If this is true I will get the pure edition otherwise Im getting the Verizon version.
It's false.
Definitely false! Verizon uses CDMA. The XT1095 only has GSM radio.
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Probably would work but only on 4G.
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Definitely won't make calls. I have an XT1095, and tried popping in the SIM from my VZW S3 (after cutting down with a sim cutter--sim confirmed to still work). No data network either. Might be possible by rooting, changing the APN, and then registering the IMEI with Verizon online. Otherwise, nope, the phone won't work on Verizon, even with an activated Verizon sim.
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Definitely won't make calls. I have an XT1095, and tried popping in the SIM from my VZW S3 (after cutting down with a sim cutter--sim confirmed to still work). No data network either. Might be possible by rooting, changing the APN, and then registering the IMEI with Verizon online. Otherwise, nope, the phone won't work on Verizon, even with an activated Verizon sim.
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No, it is not possible. XT1095 doesn't have CDMA radio.
Just picked one up from best buy for $269. I see the m8 gold is at 349... Loving these price drops!
No the pure will not work.
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No, it is not possible. XT1095 doesn't have CDMA radio.
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It's not the CDMA radio stopping you from getting LTE. CDMA only matters for phone calls, and even that will be passed out with VoLTE. The XT1095 supports most of Verizon's LTE bands, so in principle data service is possible. The way Verizon has their data network set up, though, it is not currently possible due the need for specific services to be activated on the network, and good luck convincing Verizon to activate a non-Verizon phone.
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It's not the CDMA radio stopping you from getting LTE. CDMA only matters for phone calls,
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I never said that it would stop you from getting LTE. However, if you are on Verizon, you need CDMA radios for your phone to work reliably as a phone. LOTS of places around my town have spotty Verizon LTE signals. Where I grocery shop, at the mall, inside my favorite restaurant - I drop down to 3G.
This is a common problem for many of us on Verizon's network as Verizon's network was constructed for the 850mHz CDMA to work well in terms of tower spacing. The spacing b/t Verizon's towers by and large is too far apart for LTE coverage to be great everywhere.
You are going off on a tangent - you can't have decent phone service on Verizon and not have a CDMA radio even if you could get the phone activated. And Verizon ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT WHITELIST A PHONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CDMA RADIO. WON'T HAPPEN SO IT IS RIDICULOUS TO EVEN SPECULATE ABOUT IT. And no whitelisted IMEI means no authentication to the Verizon network and no VoLTE/HD Calling. You could use the Hangouts dialer but you couldn't place an HD call through Verizon's VoLTE service.
My Galaxy S4 had no issues connecting to the network in Canada. Not sure which one it was connecting to but it worked fine. My MXPE will not connect to anything at all in Global or CDMA mode. It shows the available networks, Rodgers, TELUS, and BEll, and I have Automatically select preferred enabled, but it won't pick up any of them. Is it because this phone is unlocked and not a Verizon branded phone? This is a bit frustrating, how do I make it work? Must I get a SIM from one of their carriers? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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My Galaxy S4 had no issues connecting to the network in Canada. Not sure which one it was connecting to but it worked fine. My MXPE will not connect to anything at all in Global or CDMA mode. It shows the available networks, Rodgers, TELUS, and BEll, and I have Automatically select preferred enabled, but it won't pick up any of them. Is it because this phone is unlocked and not a Verizon branded phone? This is a bit frustrating, how do I make it work? Must I get a SIM from one of their carriers? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Well why would you overpay for roaming charges with Verizon. I would suggest get a local prepaid sim in Canada. I learned that every country you visit it will be always cheaper then paying Verizon.
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Well why would you overpay for roaming charges with Verizon. I would suggest get a local prepaid sim in Canada. I learned that every country you visit it will be always cheaper then paying Verizon.
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I don't want to use data, just texting. I can't even connect to one of their networks. My Galaxy S4 had no issues at all. As soon as I am in Canada with the GS4, all I had to so was set the mode to LTE/CDMA and it would pick up one of their networks and I could call and text all day. Of course the calls would cost me money but the texts wouldn't. Again I am on Verizon and with the GS4 I had no issues. I didn't need to get a different SIM or anything, it just worked. My MXPE sees all the available networks but will not connect to any of them. My friend I am travelling with has the Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo and his works perfect too. Automatically connects to their network no problem. So what is the deal with the MXPE? I looked at the SPECS and it seems to support the correct LTE bands. If it didn't, I don't think it would even see any of the networks here in Canada. This is a little frustrating and disappointing.
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I don't want to use data, just texting. I can't even connect to one of their networks. My Galaxy S4 had no issues at all. As soon as I am in Canada with the GS4, all I had to so was set the mode to LTE/CDMA and it would pick up one of their networks and I could call and text all day. Of course the calls would cost me money but the texts wouldn't. Again I am on Verizon and with the GS4 I had no issues. I didn't need to get a different SIM or anything, it just worked. My MXPE sees all the available networks but will not connect to any of them. My friend I am travelling with has the Verizon Motorola Droid Turbo and his works perfect too. Automatically connects to their network no problem. So what is the deal with the MXPE? I looked at the SPECS and it seems to support the correct LTE bands. If it didn't, I don't think it would even see any of the networks here in Canada. This is a little frustrating and disappointing.
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Maybe you need to activate roaming or something with Verizon. I read some people had problems with this because it shows as non-vzw device.
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Maybe you need to activate roaming or something with Verizon. I read some people had problems with this because it shows as non-vzw device.
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I am on a chat with Verizon right now. We will see what they say.
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I am on a chat with Verizon right now. We will see what they say.
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No joy, she said everything looked fine on Verizon's end, with my account. This is really pissing me off. I guess you get what you pay for, and buying a carrier unlocked phone gets you no service outside the US, unless you pay extra for it. Guess the GS4 will be put back into use when I come up here, unless someone can shed some light onto something I am doing wrong.
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No joy, she said everything looked fine on Verizon's end, with my account. This is really pissing me off. I guess you get what you pay for, and buying a carrier unlocked phone gets you no service outside the US, unless you pay extra for it. Guess the GS4 will be put back into use when I come up here, unless someone can shed some light onto something I am doing wrong.
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Sorry man I wish I could help some more. Maybe you can also try to go into the hidden menu and force it into LTE/CDMA or LTE only or something similar. I am unsure if any Canadian providers use CDMA though. Might be worth trying LTE/GSM only or LTE only.
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Sorry man I wish I could help some more. Maybe you can also try to go into the hidden menu and force it into LTE/CDMA or LTE only or something similar. I am unsure if any Canadian providers use CDMA though. Might be worth trying LTE/GSM only or LTE only.
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Where is this hidden menu you speak of. Is it the one you get to using *#*#4636#*#*? I have tried all of the Network options under the cellular networks-->Preferred network type setting. I have Global, LTE/CDMA, and LTE/GSM/UMTS and I have tried them all. No luck, it simply says can't connect to network try again later. Like I said my travel partners Droid Turbo connected without issue.
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Where is this hidden menu you speak of. Is it the one you get to using *#*#4636#*#*? I have tried all of the Network options under the cellular networks-->Preferred network type setting. I have Global, LTE/CDMA, and LTE/GSM/UMTS and I have tried them all. No luck, it simply says can't connect to network try again later. Like I said my travel partners Droid Turbo connected without issue.
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Yea it's weird and yes that is the one I was talking about. What about if you scan for networks and manually connect? when I was in Europe my sim allowed to roam on all networks (local sim) and I could switch networks like that.
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Yea it's weird and yes that is the one I was talking about. What about if you scan for networks and manually connect? when I was in Europe my sim allowed to roam on all networks (local sim) and I could switch networks like that.
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I've tried selecting each one manually and it doesn't work either. It's very frustrating, I am really annoyed with this and it sucks to have to break out my old phone just to be able to come up here to Canada and have service. This to me is a major fail on Motorola's behalf. Unless there is something wrong with my SIM, but my phone works fine in the US. I think it's a Motorola issue since it sees all the networks perfectly fine but will not connect to them. Sad to say but this would happen if I had a Samsung device. It shouldn't be this difficult and if Motorola dropped the ball here that is a shame.
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I've tried selecting each one manually and it doesn't work either. It's very frustrating, I am really annoyed with this and it sucks to have to break out my old phone just to be able to come up here to Canada and have service. This to me is a major fail on Motorola's behalf. Unless there is something wrong with my SIM, but my phone works fine in the US. I think it's a Motorola issue since it sees all the networks perfectly fine but will not connect to them. Sad to say but this would happen if I had a Samsung device. It shouldn't be this difficult and if Motorola dropped the ball here that is a shame.
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Sorry then that I couldn't help . I'd say it's more Verizon issue because it shows as non Vzw device 2-3 months later,even with nexus 6p you would have that until Verizon fully has it in their system.
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Sorry then that I couldn't help . I'd say it's more Verizon issue because it shows as non Vzw device 2-3 months later,even with nexus 6p you would have that until Verizon fully has it in their system.
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On my account it shows as Motorola XT1575. It doesn't say unknown. It just doesn't show a picture of the device. The Verizon rep said everything looked good on their end. Even had me power down my device and restart it. They said they were resetting something on their end to see if it would work, of course it didn't. Not sure what to think. It would be nice if others could chime in with experiences outside the US with their MXPE and state whether they had any issues.
Solved!! It was a provisioning issue. They needed to turn on USA and Canada pay as you go roaming. It was that simple, I just need to get a Verizon Rep that knew what the heck they were doing. As soon as he turned it on my phone started working. Thank you Andrew at Verizon, you're the man!
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Solved!! It was a provisioning issue. They needed to turn on USA and Canada pay as you go roaming. It was that simple, I just need to get a Verizon Rep that knew what the heck they were doing. As soon as he turned it on my phone started working. Thank you Andrew at Verizon, you're the man!
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Yea like I thought it was something on Verizon side. I was close
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Has there been a determination as to whether the v20 has Simultaneous voice and data capability? I still waiting patiently (not) for delivery of my v20.
This is completely carrier dependent in handset firmware configuration
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This is completely carrier dependent in handset firmware configuration
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I agree, my carrier is Sprint.With my old device a note 3 it has dual antennas making simultaneous voice and data possible on 4g lte. Now with Sprint Spark it not possible with a single antenna device. Do you know by chance if the v20 is a dual antenna device?
Not sure about the single sim version, might work on the dual sim one, at least I can have 4G+3G or 3G+3G simultaneous
Works will AT&T. I know for a fact, just used both Simultaneous an hour ago
Tmo and att have volte for sure
Any GSM carrier will be able to do voice and data at the same time. It's the CDMA carriers that will be up in the air if they will be able to or not.
I can confirm the Verizon V20 does voice & data at the same time due to the voice over LTE. I haven't had that functionality since the HTC Thunderbolt when 4G first came out years ago
I've been running the V20 for 8 days now and LOVE it. Now if only we can find a way to exploit the locked bootloader.
Do you mean VoLTE?
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The Verizon model has video calling so it has data and voice at same time.
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The Verizon model has video calling so it has data and voice at same time.
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My VZ LG v20 does NOT have voice and data at same time.
Go into advanced calling and turn that on it'll give it to you then
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I agree, my carrier is Sprint.With my old device a note 3 it has dual antennas making simultaneous voice and data possible on 4g lte. Now with Sprint Spark it not possible with a single antenna device. Do you know by chance if the v20 is a dual antenna device?
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That's the sole reason why I left Sprint
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All Verizon lg v20 have voice and data at the same time. You can be on a phone call with LTE speeds.
I had sprint years back and hated them because my music streaming would stop and load. Then, another spotty sprint area, my music would stop again and load. Hated that.
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has anyone with a sprint v20 been able to verify if this does work? my sprint note 4 does not have this, but my previous Sprint S4 did have it. I am hoping the Sprint v20 has it.
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Until they introduce VoLTE on Sprint no Sprint phone that has all of the LTE bands in it will be able to do simultaneous voice and data and VoLTE is not a priority for Sprint right now. So you either gotta move back to something like the Note 3 and get less LTE coverage or leave Sprint to get what you want.
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My VZ LG v20 does NOT have voice and data at same time.
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Mine does, but only when connected in 4G. And I believe advanced calling needs to be activated for it to work.
To echo above, the simultaneous works fine on the V20, even stock out of the box with no changes, but you have to be in a 4G LTE area to do it. If you drop to 3G, you lose that ability. Pretty sure it was the Thunderbolt that last had the option to do both in a 3G area , as was mentioned earlier. Only thing that I haven't tested, is switching. And by that, I mean, if you're in a 3G area on a call, and enter a 4G LTE coverage, if it'll pick that up while within the call, or if you have to hang up before it will switch over. My S6 wouldn't do it, and I really don't expect the V20 to either. Probably something with how the data is "turned off" in a manner when the call is made, so it probably isn't even actively hunting for a data signal until the call is over. I live in an area where I bounce between nothing, 3G, and 4G on my way to work, so I always had to make sure to toggle airplane mode off and on if I was just coming out of a spot where I was still picking up 3G but knew there was 4G there, so the phone would grab the better signal coming in, and then make my phone call to keep the data. So far, the V20 seems to be a touch quicker than my S6 was in the 3G/4G switchover though.