Should I charge my phone when it has like 0.5% battery left always, or can I charge whenever it gets a little low, like 30-40%?
Also, can I leave my phone plugged into the charger overnight? Will that drain the battery?
I leave mine in the charger every night. And I'll put it in charge at work, too, or whenever a charging opportunity arises. With this kind of battery, it really doesn't matter.
Here is a very good article that discusses Lithium Ion batteries:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
I don't get the article.
Does 4.2V mean 100% battery life?
If you want to charge it to 4.0 V, does that mean its like 90% battery life?
convolution said:
I don't get the article.
Does 4.2V mean 100% battery life?
If you want to charge it to 4.0 V, does that mean its like 90% battery life?
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Not certain, but it seems the charger and/or battery on the Vision is designed so that it does not keep the voltage at 100% when its charging and full. I've noticed the battery meter periodically drop to 99% when still on the charger, then back up to "F" (full). While I know the battery meter is not really accurate enough to read to 1% increments; what this seems to indicate is that once a full charge is achieved, the system is going to let the charge drop below a certain threshold, then top off again, rather than keep the voltage at 100% constantly.
The table below is a little more easily digestible (not overly technical). It says you can keep the battery on the charger.
It also says not to let the battery discharge below 20%. Overdischarge of Li ion batteries can result in your battery no longer accepting a charge, on the off chance the safety circuit does not trip properly. The safety circuit is designed to prevent over discharge of the battery, but this has been known to fail, at least on other phones. And there is no benefit to letting the battery discharge below 20%.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
convolution said:
I don't get the article.
Does 4.2V mean 100% battery life?
If you want to charge it to 4.0 V, does that mean its like 90% battery life?
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There are two terms you need to understand when it comes to batteries: volts and amps.
Volts is "static" for a battery, meaning it doesn't change. You have a 1.5V battery, it will always be a 1.5V battery. Now the capacity of the battery is measured in amps. A 1Amp battery has more capacity than a 500mAh battery. At 100% fully charged, you'd have 1000mAh (or 1A). At 90%, you'd have 900mAh.
What that article tells you is that your phone is charged to (or close to) 100% using a specified voltage (probably whatever the battery is rated at...3.7V?). Now batteries and chargers of the past had what's called a "trickle" effect, in which it still chargers the battery when it is (or close to) 100%, but at a much lower voltage. If you phone was to stop charging after it hit 100%, it would start to discharge. When you unplugged it (assuming you charge it over night) in the morning, you would have less than 100%. The trickle is so that your battery will still have 100% when you unplug it.
Think about if you filled up your gas tank and left your car running over night. When you woke up, you wouldn't have a full tank anymore. But if you left the gas nozzle in the tank while it was running, it would continually "top it off". That or gas leak everywhere and your car would burst into flames...therefore canceling the point that you wouldn't a full tank...
Anyways...Li-Ion batteries charge and behave differently that batteries of yore. It's bad to let it go down to almost 0%. It's also bad to let it continually sit on the charger. I personally charge mine every other day but I used to charge my Vibrant and HD2 every night.
The batteries in these phones have protection circuits to prevent over charging as well as over discharge. It is perfectly safe to charge over night as well as discharge until empty. What the display shows as 0% does not mean the battery has actually reached 0%. It is just were the protection circuit deems safe. It is possible to over discharge a Li-ion/LiPo battery which may cause it to no longer charge but there are ways to bring it back for the willing. Our phones, however, will not do this due to the protection circuit unless that fails. If that happens you need a new battery because Li-ion/Lipo batteries are very dangerous if over or under charged.
Also, the voltage is static in theory but in real life the the voltage does drop as the battery is discharged. The drop is not large however. A 3.7v Li-ion/LiPo cell will read around 4.2v at full charge and lowers to just over 3.7v at full SAFE discharge. If the battery falls below 3.7v, you will likely have damaged the cell. Again, our phone batteries have a protection circuit to prevent this.
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The batteries in these phones have protection circuits to prevent over charging as well as over discharge. It is perfectly safe to charge over night as well as discharge until empty. What the display shows as 0% does not mean the battery has actually reached 0%. It is just were the protection circuit deems safe. It is possible to over discharge a Li-ion/LiPo battery which may cause it to no longer charge but there are ways to bring it back for the willing.
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It would require a special charger with a "boost" function, which most people do not have access to.
From the previously linked battery University page:
In spite of these preventive measures, over-discharge does occur. Advanced battery analyzers (Cadex C7000 series) feature a 'boost' function that provides a gentle charge current to activate the safety circuit and re-energize the cells if discharged too deeply.
Most of us let our battery drain low on accident from time to time. But it makes not sense to do it intentionally or make a habit of it, as it yields no benefit (some people think they are "conditioning" or "calibrating" the battery, which does not apply to Li ion batteries), and actually hurts battery life. Also from Battery University: "Do charge the battery often. The battery lasts longer with partial rather than full discharges."
There have been pretty occasional cases on the Touch Pro 2 forums of people over-discharging the battery, and rendering it useless. So it does happen. Some have claimed that the Android OS, or the Vision phone itself handles the battery better to avoid over discharge. Maybe so. But do you really want to test that theory, if it can most usually be avoided?
redpoint73 said:
It would require a special charger with a "boost" function, which most people do not have access to.
From the previously linked battery University page:
In spite of these preventive measures, over-discharge does occur. Advanced battery analyzers (Cadex C7000 series) feature a 'boost' function that provides a gentle charge current to activate the safety circuit and re-energize the cells if discharged too deeply.
Most of us let our battery drain low on accident from time to time. But it makes not sense to do it intentionally or make a habit of it, as it yields no benefit (some people think they are "conditioning" or "calibrating" the battery, which does not apply to Li ion batteries), and actually hurts battery life. Also from Battery University: "Do charge the battery often. The battery lasts longer with partial rather than full discharges."
There have been pretty occasional cases on the Touch Pro 2 forums of people over-discharging the battery, and rendering it useless. So it does happen. Some have claimed that the Android OS, or the Vision phone itself handles the battery better to avoid over discharge. Maybe so. But do you really want to test that theory, if it can most usually be avoided?
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I agree that it can happen which is why I stated that the prevention circuit can fail though I do believe it to be a rare case that this happens. I charge when ever I am near a charger as I don't like to run low but I also don't freak out if I am close to dead. I also charge over night every night and have for years. I just don't believe that it is necessary to worry that my phone has been on the charger too long or that I am running close to 0% as there is redundant protection in place and for the most part, this protection works very well. Hell, your phone COULD burst into flames while holding it next to your ear due to the volatility of the Lithium Ion chemistry if exposed to air but that also very rarely happens.
I believe it is probably worse on the battery to watch movies on the phone while overclocked with the battery getting too hot than to discharge to 0% occasionally.
I do agree that it is pointless to try conditioning lithium batteries as they have no memory effect.
Reviving an over discharged Lithium battery should not be attempted by most. I fly RC Helis and my electrics use 3 or 6 cell LiPo's. On the very rare occasion I kill a cell, I isolate the bad cell and trickle charge until it matches the others and then resume balance charging. The batteries in our phones can be revived in the same manner. It requires low current and constant observation and should not be done by the inexperienced.
Hi everyone, i was wondering if someone can tell me if charging the battery from 10-15% to 100% its bad for my device? Also which recomendations you suggest for reduce battery damage on the device? Ive read about the li-polymer batteries and some says that is bad for the battery to leave it conected log periods of time, also other mentioned that leaving the battery till it reach 10-15% is good method for prolong its battery life, but imnot sure about this tips.
Can someone tell me some recomendations?
I know from experience, li-po batteries do not last if fully discharged everytime, meaning don't run it till it shuts off. I am charging in the 10-15% range. As far as leaving it connected to the charger, I'm not sure if thats bad. If all you did was use it while connected to the charger, yes that will result in reduced battery life due to it not getting discharged.
Many people just think about how to protect the Samsung Galaxy S i9000 battery life of phone, today i introduce some experience to protect our phone battery, so that we can save the battery life from these ways::highfive:
1. Fully Charged
To maintenance of a lithium battery, must occasionally let one of the electrons to maintain liquidity, to ensure that at least once a month to go through a full charge (battery is charged up about 20% full).
2. Do not use non-original straight and "universal charge"
Because the third-party charger specifications and quality can not be guaranteed with the original charger, battery might be damage repair may also cause disputes.
Why rushed 100%, they still continue to charge?
Power to 100% does not mean that your battery is already full. To Charge Gauge maximization, and roughly 40 - 80 min rushed fully full of From 100%. If the battery is aging, which will require more time in waking this process.
3.Do not drain the battery.
Try not to use automatic shutdown on the line, often run out of battery power will affect the battery capacity and charge cycles.
4. Do not overcharge
Stop charging long after the battery has been fully charged phone prompts, 40 to 80 minutes.
5.Note heat
Please keep in charge when the phone is easy to heat the place. Because the battery charging will occur.
Today, i just write thess ways to help you guys protect the cell phone battery, just do hope it is a help to you!
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4. Do not overcharge
Stop charging long after the battery has been fully charged phone prompts, 40 to 80 minutes.
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If you charge the phone while it's turned off it shouldn't overcharge anyway.
It charges to 99% then stops automatically. So you can leave it charging overnight without damaging the battery.
I used this: http://www.androidzoom.com/android_...vity/battery-saver-dx-power-widget_blaeb.html
I'm sure there are some others doing the same...
Recharge Early prolongs Battery Life
It's absolutely impossible to Overcharge a Lithium Ion Cell with the Stock Charger, despite of On/OFF State of the Phone so don't worry. A Lithium Ion Cell would degrade a lot (permanently) if you'd overcharge it but this is really not a Problem those days, because the Recharge Process will surveilled by a seperate Microprocessor to avoid any overcharging. In my Experience it is much better only to recharge the Battery ONLY when the Phone Power is Off- that's what every Manufacturer writes in the User Manual. Me personally using a Universal Charger with a second battery, so i can always use the Phone and the USB Connection will not be stressed. Also i am recharging early- that means a Battery Level from 30-70 %. If you recharge when the Batttery Level is about 3.7 Volt recharging goes much faster and the Battery will not be stressed that much like when you run it till it's completely empty- that should implicitly be avoided!). It's NOT necessary to decharge completely- o.k. If you don't do that from time to time it affects the shown Battery Level a little bit but if you recharge early and often this is not a Issue at all.
I run battery cycle from 25% to 80%. I keep it between these levels. It is good for Lithium Ion Cell batteries as neither cell is empty. If it gets empty, impurities settle on the anode/cathode.
There was an app which allowed limiting max charge. Was it NSTools or something on those lines. What was it called? *scratching my head*
For the first battery cycle: Should i let the battery drain until the device turns off or should i start charging earlier?
Doesn't matter. LiPo batteries do not need to be calibrated by doing a full cycle.
For best battery life in the long run it is recommended you charge it sooner.
If you are worried about keeping the battery indicator accurate: going to 20% and charging to full (in one "go") is good enough for that purpose.
Hi guys, does charging the battery up to 80% only really prolong battery life? Does it also apply when fast charging our Oneplus 8 Pro? Because afaik, when fast charging from 15% to 80% it is where the battery is hot and when it reach 80% it will just switch to normal charging speed. Please enlighten me. Tia.
That's what I've heard before. 80% is the cutoff for any fast charging/warp charge I believe. I thought in a review I seen that this phone cut off warp charging at 90%. It is to preserve battery life maybe by not overcharging. But not 100%. The phone has an option in settings called Optimized Charging to help prolong battery life based on your usage pattern. I think someone stated turning this on may hinder Warp Charging.
Apples to oranges but for Lithium batteries maybe not. Tesla's Battery management system restricts charging to 80% behind the scenes in order to extend battery service life. The ideal charging discharging for most Lithium based batteries from my experience is 80/20. outside of that range induces heating and cell shorting.