For some side my side images of the Epic4G and the EVO 4G check out my post at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=779123
So do we then get to post about how great the EPIC is compared to EVO? lol...
just kidding
I love the way people defend their purchase. Why can't people figure out the phrase
"Different Strokes for Different Folks"
There is a reason there is an EVO and there is a reason there is an EPIC.
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I love the way people defend their purchase. Why can't people figure out the phrase
"Different Strokes for Different Folks"
There is a reason there is an EVO and there is a reason there is an EPIC.
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Well said!
I agree with you 100%. Like I said before they are both high end devices and one would not really trade one for the other. Uses are quit content with their high end device.
BTW : the reason why I posted it on the evo forum is because I got an Evo. I def.ly was gonna post it twice because like u said users will defend what they got. Just didn't see the reason to post it twice when I could share the link and ones can comment,but I might as well include the images on the epic forum so epic uses can have their say,lol.
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I had 2 Epics. The first one had none working capacitive buttons. The screen was AMAZING but I developed image retention or drooping. The GPS din't work and the slider was not flat so the phone clicked when you touched the screen. I ended up going back to an Evo but I really do miss the Epic. Samsung is developing a really bad reputation anymore. I also really liked the native divx support. I could just copy a full blooded .mkv at 720p and it would play perfectly. I miss that on my Evo.
I hope they fix the issues and maybe I could go back but right now I just needed something that worked....
The evo could play all files including divx and .mkv. just copy the file to your SD card and play it using yx player,works flawless..
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The evo could play all files including divx and .mkv. just copy the file to your SD card and play it using yx player,works flawless..
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Correct, but straight 720p plays at a few frames per second where as on the epic I could copy over a 720p bluray rip and it would play without problems.
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Correct, but straight 720p plays at a few frames per second where as on the epic I could copy over a 720p bluray rip and it would play without problems.
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Confirmed this last night on my EVO. It chokes on 720p mkv files in both yx player AND rock player. Both of them can play lower quality files though....
I have all 3 phones. I have tried running divx, mp4 and mkv through all of them. The resolutions vary between dvd up to 720p hdtv quality. I am sad to say that, this is just my unscientific opinion, the evo shift stock is not more powerful than the other two in real world testing. I've tested operating all three in stock rom form and the shift isn't the badass.
If you want to recreate these tests for yourself to see or prove me wrong then go ahead. Go find a 720p mkv tv show off torrents or something and try running them on these phones.
Each phone has it's strong points and weaknesses. It just depends on what are you wanting the phone to do and what is more important than another thing. In general games, the epic seems to have the higher and smoother frame rates. It does have the largest keyboard area of between the two. I found that with my big fingers, I was bumping keys next to the one I was trying to hit many more times than I do on the Shift. The Epic's drawer mechanism is pretty darn loose. The Epic in video recording had closer to the actual colors and less artifacting caused by too high compression when compared to the Evo. I have yet to test video on the Shift much. I cannot record at the highest video resolution with the Epic without an error message coming up. The video is always corrupted when it crashes. If I do short recording sessions of just a few seconds, the epic looks better to me than the Evo. The Evo compresses too much and it shows in playback. The Evo will continue to record and not crash though when it is in highest resolution. Epic's high quality audio recording really sucks. It skips and studders. Both Evos sound great without any complaints. The screen on the Epic looks nicer and has richer looking colors than both Evos. Black is really black on the Epic. The colors might be richer but they exaggerate the saturation when comparing to whatever it is you are filming in real life.
The Epic seems to have more sensitive radios than the Evo but not the Shift, it hears just a little bit better than the Epic. I don't know who wins for battery life but I do know the Evo is in last place for runtime on a single charge.
Running the operating system on all three, the Evo seems quickest, Epic second, and the Shift in third. I'm talking about noticing hiccups, studders, temporary lockups and delayed reactions to screen touches. The Evo is very sensitive to the touch, the Shift second and Epic last. I found too many times I was talking back to the Epic, telling it to hurry up or come on!
The Epic takes a long time to charge and I haven't seen it be able to charge and use the device at the same time and actually increase battery capacity. I have seen both the Evos be able to charge and run at the same time.
Another thing I tried was pinch zooming in and out with the stock browser and see how smooth and fast it was. The Evo was definitely quick, followed closely by the Epic and Shift in last place with quick yet jerky zooming.
In closing, to be fair, the Evo has had the most official updates since first release. The epic has had a few updates too. The Shift is less than a week old. Evos are running 2.2 and Epic 2.1 so take some of that under consideration for speed too. I might be wrong but I would speculate that the Epic would be even faster when/if it finally goes to froyo. How would that stack up with the Evo? I don't know. It all comes down to what do you want in order of importance? For physical keyboards, I'm making less mistakes by hitting nearby keys with the Shift than the Epic.
Do any of you have two or all three of these phones? What are your observations? I'm not saying that these things I've said are facts per se, just my personal observations and impressions after using them. You mileage will most likely vary.
Well here is my take.
First: I do not have any of the above phones but I will be getting on soon.
I went into a Sprint store last night to get the shift, walked out not getting anything yet. Here is why.
To me currently its between 2 EVOs as I do not trust Samsung to fix or update anything, even if they roll out 2.2 or even 2.3 (skipping 2.2 as a Sprint employee suggested that Samsung is doing - I don't trust that but... whatever I have an Instinct and they dropped a ball on that with bugs glaring issues still in it).
So between the 2 EVOs here is what I see , any input would be welcomed.
Shift has better battery life, keyboard, smaller foot print, seems it should be faster at playing movies.
EVO thinner, larger screen.
So for me the keyboard is not a huge selling feature, I like it, but can easily live without it. Then there was an employee at the Sprint store with EVO and Extended battery. From all I've read/heard the extended battery on EVO should last at least as long as the stock on Shift. When I put both phones on the table the EVO was a smidgen thiker (with the extended battery) then the Shift.
So the way I see it the battery issue, is a non issue, between EVO and Shift so whats left is screen and keyboard.
I guess I will be selecting screen size, as bigger browser is a better experience, the way I see it.
From the above I am not sure I understand what is smoother playing videos (from the memory card) ?
Also is there any EVO issues (like connector problems, screen peeling ...) that I should put into my decision. Seems like where there but now are minimal if any.
I had an epic from launch which I traded for an evo two days ago and I bought my wife a shift on tuesday. While I may not have the epic right here to test I can assure you that I've run it through it's paces quite often.
First and foremost there is one glaring flaw in your testing and that is that the epic is running eclair which lacks the JIT speed enhancements and there fore its at a disadvantage. Second you even with that I have seen first hand how much more graphics processing power the epic has than the shift or even the evo.
As I started in your other thread about this, the shift has a second gen snap dragon whereas the evo has the first. Its a more powerful chip that has been underclocked exactly like it was in the desire z which has a stable overclock kernel running at 1.9ghz. The evo tops out at 1.2 and the epic overclocking was not "true" so its hard to judge that.
On to charging: my epic would charge to full from around 20% in about 4 hours while on and about 2 while off. I have not been able to thoroughly test the shift or the evo yet however I can say that I used to charge and use my epic all the time and it still charged very quickly.
Oh also for battery tests you have to keep in mind that while an lcd takes the same amount of power to display all colors a SAMOLED does not. Black requires no power and knowing that using dark themes as well as other tweaks I generally got about 28 hours per charge on the epic.
To sum up, I don't know a lot about .mkv files but I do know a lot about these three phones and here is what I know: the epic will always out perform the others on graphical tests. The evo and the epic will be close on productivity tests however the shift will be over clocked and will destroy the other two in productivity.
Edit sorry forgot to mention updates! The evo has received many major updates and tweaks that have made it a better device. The epic has received two and neither had fixed anything. One of them did make it so you could give samsung more money.
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I have the Epic and the Shift and I really believe the Shift runs better than the Epic in the real world enviornment. I havnt tested 720 mkv's though. Are you using the same SD card on each device when testing?
I find the Shift most def faster than the og evo in every aspect. I havn't had one lag, hickup or anything what-so-ever.
My browser doesnt have any lag at all when I pinch zoom in and out multiple times as fast as I can. Are you sure there isnt something running in the backround hendering your performace on your Shift? I truely believe when we overclock this thing its gonna smash on both phones minus the graphics of the Epic.
Considering I've messed with the EVO a ton and my friends with og EVO's say my phone is def faster in all aspects we could test at the time. I'm thinking maybe your device isnt running up to par for some reason...Or maybe I got a lucky device because my phone has been flawless (except for the signal drop when holding the base of the phone) for me and even lasted over 48 hours on 1 charge with light use.
Someone was mentioning speed improvements with jit. There's all kinds of ways to boost speed, the way I tested was stock rooted with official up to date roms.
I have just copied two shows that were converted from 1280x720 3700kbps video bitrate mkv. The video bitrate on both after re-encoding was 2000. One video I left the same 1280x720 and the other I converted down to the screen resolution of the phone 800x448. I am surprised that BOTH are 657.8mb regardless of resolution. My common sense is telling me this should not be. It's telling me the 1280 video should be larger in mb than the 800. I don't understand what the deal is but I'm not going to focus on that. I did this whole conversion with handbrake, bringing the audio down to 2 channel stereo, 48khz, 160kbps audio. I will play these and report back on what I find. I'm guessing the Shift and others won't have any problems since I backed the video bitrate way down. Playback on the computer, I'm surprised I can't tell the difference at fullscreen from the original....
I mentioned the jit improvements because only the epic doesn't have it. I'm not sure why there being "a ways to boost speed" negates the fact that any device running 2.2 or higher will have these speed boosts, which both the Evo and the Evo shift do but the Epic does not. You are effectively testing win xp against win7. Its just a bad test.
Further, its mostly moot because if you want your device to perform better you can (or will be able to in the case of the Shift) install custom roms that will outperform a stock phone any day.
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Now that I'm on my computer and can do a little research I looked up the .mkv format. To be honest, its a rather old standard and that could be the issue you're having. As I stated previously in the other thread, I test a 1080p .avi episode of 30 Rock and noticed no hiccups or stuttering at all on either my (very non-stock) Evo and my wife's Shift. It ran perfectly. Since you are using Handbrake, I'm not sure why you're using mkv as opposed to avi as in my experience avi's tend to run a whole hell of a lot smoother than most other video formats and it is works on pretty much all video players.
There is one other very real possibility that has not been discussed: When the Evo first came out and for a long time it was locked at 30 frames per second for playback of any kind and the same kind of lock could be on the Evo Shift. However, given my personal results of being able to play 1080p video flawlessly, I very much doubt that this is the case.
Avi file extension is pretty old but that alone doesn't really tell you what codec is being used. I think avi might be a microsoft creation too. There are quite a few codecs dating back well over a decade or more which use the avi extension. Divx, xvid, and indeo are a few that I can remember off the top of my head. Mkv, some mp4, and m4v are mpeg 4 avc. Mkv is one of the codecs used in blu ray, so its not that old.
I am interested in what codec, audio channels with bitrate and video codec with bitrate, what bit color, etc. That might shed some light on what might be happening and why playback is the way it is.
I tried almost a dozen video players from the market that had between 4 to 5 stars and an old version of demo player. Some played very slow. Vital player and demo/divx had very slow playback for video. I think rockplayer demo was the only one I saw that had a choice between hardware or software decoding. Either one seemed to have the same results.
The video that was 800 resolution, with the mp4 avc reencode, played with higher framerate and pretty much syncd audio. There was a noticed studdering and not butter smooth of video. I haven't figured out the cause of that yet. The 1280x720 reencode played better than the master but the video skipped and studdered even worse. Some players handled av better than others but weren't perfect.
I am starting to think that it boils down to what do I want to do the most with my phone? Play games, watch videos, record audio and or video, text and email a lot, etc. I'm loosing interest in being an intense gamer. If I want to watch videos, why watch movies and shows on a tiny phone screen when I can use my laptop? I might do some video or audio recording. Granted this isn't a real camera or camcorder, but it will work in a pinch. I'm not really complaining about the phone. It will do what it was designed to do.
As I said before, these are just my observations and results after playing around with them. They aren't scientific. Some can say its flawed but actually I don't really care about that. I did these tests for myself and am sharing what I found out.
Maybe if I have some time, I will make a youtube video showing all this stuff happening. I wonder if I might have got a lemon phone... I should go by the sprint store and play with the display and see if it acts the same.
I've owned all three for extended periods of time and have rooted the Evo and Epic and tweaked the crap outta them both. The Epic is a complete POS period. Doesn't even deserve to be in the same conversation. Their GPU #s mean absolutely ZERO to me because if you place a piece of **** in a tuxedo, it's still a POS. The Evo was a great phone but did have a lot of lag ESPECIALLY in the browser (scroll, pinch to zoom, etc) Battery life was just plain humerous and the screen resolution was just so bad that everything looked like it was washed through bleach before making it to the display. The Evo Shift is the fastest of the 3 BY FAR! It has no lag thus far, incredible reaction times, excellent scrolling, amazing battery life, and a clearer display than the EVO. I can honestly say that I own the best phone Sprint has to offer and I can't wait to get some seriously crazy Kernals on this thing and OC the crap out of it.
Please Note: I hate qwerty keyboards and have never used it. I'm not thrilled about the screen size of the Shift but will GLADLY tolerate a smaller screen for the crazy fast processor and unbelievable battery life. Not to mention I feel like the build quality is much nicer than both the Epic (piece of plastic Shyte) or the Evo (Nice but just no contrast on the body...all looks like black plastic) The brushed metal frame with the lazer etched polished rim on the front of the Evo shift is just beautiful. The back has a very nice look and feel but I would have preferred a metal backside like the G2 to complete the theme setup by the front of the phone.
Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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Can anyone with the EVO and Shift compare how they play games like pocket legends or dungeon defenders?
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It's really hard to tell honestly. Very little difference if any. The Shift's GPUs are slightly better than the Evo but it's a little hard to tell. I played on my Shift and my sister's Evo...I call it a draw, maybe a slight edge in smoothness to the Shift but hardly noticeable.
You should odin the epic to dk28 aka froyo and then do these tests
There's too many inconsistents in your experimenting
But yeah once the shift gets Oc'd like the g2, then its good.
The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
Also, the keyboard on the epic looks nice, but misses keys. Everything I type from here on out wont b edited so you can see lol
The TP2 kb was the best. Idk why htc went with the g2 kb and left the tp2 in history :/
I think this test should be between the shift and g2 considering sprints phones are different beasts for different people lol
If samsung were to be on par with htc on software updates, I honestly don't think either of those phones would stand a chance against the epic
Also, 720p .mkv play great on the epic...even subtitles! But I believe its because samsung is usingthe codecs from rockplayer in the market for the galaxy s video player lol so I don't think that's a fair comparison since its basically atird party app
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The epic can only oc to 1.2, 1.3 stable and 1.6 max from the last time I bothered with eclair a few months ago lol
There hasn't been any oc for the leaked froyo
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The 1.6 was a fake. Was not truly 1.6ghz and that was brought up in the thread about the shift in the epic forums...
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My brother has an epic 4g and I have a shift 4g. From what I've noticed the only thing better about his phone is the way that the screen looks and the screen size. I tried loading up a blu-ray rip of avatar and I don't notice any artifacts, lag, or anything different between the two. The epic is faster in anything to do with gpu? Then why is it losing in benchmarks?
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I went to Radio Shack a few days ago to handle the Epic, Evo and the Shift. I ultimately decided on the Shift and here's why:
The Epic and Evo are just too big. I have fairly large hands (can palm a basketball) but I just couldn't stand the thought of something that large in my pocket; I prefer mobility.
The Evo doesn't have a keyboard, so it was automatically ruled out based on that one trait alone. The Epic has an additional row of buttons for the number keys, which I liked, but isn't necessary. The Epic's "drawer" (I saw someone call it that in this thread already), or the mechanism that allows the keyboard to slide out, felt cheap and loose.
Making the decision of buying the Shift was based on the keyboard, the smaller footprint, the better performing CPU and the price ($150 from RS on 2 year contract).
Ok, so I am digging this one out from over half a year ago, and I just wanted to see what people thought of the Shift vs Epic now that both have 2.3 and custom roms as I have a Shift at the moment but I can take it back and get the Epic for free. I was wondering as to which one performs better/smoother does better at call quality? I like the bigger screen and the number row on the keyboard.
The only thing I am going to say here is get the EVO Shift 4G if you are deciding between these three phones.
You ask why?
Simple
They are going to stop selling the EVO and the Epic come october that means no more updates or software support (except on XDA)
Thats just my 2 cents lol
Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
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Yea I got the Shift and not the Evo because of that (well and the actualy keyboard) but saw this week the epic went on sale for free and I know it has a biger and nicer screen and in many bench marks outclasses the shift. Though Is like to see how the shift compares when running asop and oc kernal, because correct me if I am wrong but the second gen snapdragon should out perform a first gen hummingbird that's in the epic?
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Not really. yea the second gen snapdragon with adreno 205 does really help close the distance between the two chipsets but a hummingbird still will outperform the Snapdragon in the graphics department.
The Epic is a MUCH better phone all around.
Clearer and larger Screen, front facing camera, snappier. All that.
Only downfall is the battery life is going to make you regret getting it.
So, second choice is the Shift. I suggest you get that if you want a phone you can use all day.
Hey I am going to trade in my evo for an epic 4g. My evo has a crack and I do not really feel like fixing it or trading it in for another Evo, I like trying out new things when I am done with my old one.
My two questions about the Epic:
1. I take my video watching pretty seriously. I take the subway everyday and I spend that time reading rss feeds, reading comics/manga, and watching tv/movies/anime. Lately it seems no matter how hard a try, my evo doesn't like showing movies any more. Any video player I use just lags. I have tried avi and mp4. Especially when playing 720p video it justs lags, didn't do that before. How are people's experiences with video playback? Also the MAIN reason I am choosing the Epic over other Sprint devices is that I heard the Samsung Galaxy phones support mkv natively. Any anime geek would tell you that a large portion of anime being released is in mkv format. It would save me a lot of time if I could transfer them without transcoding. So does the Epic natively support mkv? How does it fare against 720p mkv playback?
2. I just watched a Youtube vid comparison of the Nexus S and the Epic from Phonearena. The video was made in December 2010 and at the time the Epic was still on 2.1. My Evo is on 2.2...I would hate to downgrade. Is there an official OTA for the Epic to go to 2.2...or even 2.3?
Any other comments on the phone?
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2. I just watched a Youtube vid comparison of the Nexus S and the Epic from Phonearena. The video was made in December 2010 and at the time the Epic was still on 2.1. My Evo is on 2.2...I would hate to downgrade. Is there an official OTA for the Epic to go to 2.2...or even 2.3?
Any other comments on the phone?
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Yeah there's an official 2.2 update (it's EC05) - 2.3 (latest is EE03) has been leaked from Sprint, and we're hoping that soon we'll get an official 2.3
I really love the phone, and am super happy I got it. My bro has the evo and (call me old school but) I'm happy I have the option to use a physical keyboard. I hardly ever use the touch keyboard - I find it too finicky.
1. The video playback is superb! The epic has better hardware so you won't experience any lag. Also the epic screen is beautiful. Much more color, and brightness. Your anime won't look like washed colors..
2. There is a leaked 2.3 out (June 20th official?). It's a hit or a miss. But there are 2.2 roms that are ridiculously fast, stable, and battery efficient. Check out the development section.
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Supposedly GB is going to enable GPU acceleration for our processors. I imagine that if there were ever any lag present while watching videos that it would remedy the issue. After rooting and adding a few tweaks the Epic does live up to its name. Out of the box I didn't find it to be anything special however. As a testament to the hardware our phones are actually able to run games that are specially tailored to the dual core Tegra phones.
When you get your phone turn off auto brightness and you can slide your finger along the status bar to manually control it which is a really nice feature. Saves a ton of battery as well.
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When you get your phone turn off auto brightness and you can slide your finger along the status bar to manually control it which is a really nice feature. Saves a ton of battery as well.
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WHAT?!?!?! mine doesn't do that
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WHAT?!?!?! mine doesn't do that
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Yes it does they all do
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_4UtivF7_8 <<< Samsung Epic Brightness Trick
Yes. The epic supports mkv natively. 720p mkv playback has worked nearly perfectly for any video I have tried.
My roomate had the evo. And I'm telling you the epic is much faster, and the screen is soooo much better the evo doesn't even compare. The picture is amasing better then the evo and all the droid phons
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1. I take my video watching pretty seriously. I take the subway everyday and I spend that time reading rss feeds, reading comics/manga, and watching tv/movies/anime. Lately it seems no matter how hard a try, my evo doesn't like showing movies any more. Any video player I use just lags. I have tried avi and mp4. Especially when playing 720p video it justs lags, didn't do that before. How are people's experiences with video playback? Also the MAIN reason I am choosing the Epic over other Sprint devices is that I heard the Samsung Galaxy phones support mkv natively. Any anime geek would tell you that a large portion of anime being released is in mkv format. It would save me a lot of time if I could transfer them without transcoding. So does the Epic natively support mkv? How does it fare against 720p mkv playback?
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I watch a lot of fansubs and whatnot on my Epic. Yes, it does natively support MKVs. If your looking to watch them subbed, though, the default Samsung player will not playback softsubs. But thats easily remedied by other apps you can get from the market. Personally, I use an app called mVideoPlayer. It works awesomely.
I am starting to branch out with a friend of mine who has an Evo and studying some on ROM development and app development and since we do a lot of things side by side, I can confirm my Wifi Tether is twice as fast as his on his Evo. Anyone who wants something tested side by side against an Evo can PM me and I can probably make that happen
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I never thought I'd say this, but I love watching video on a cell phone, thanks to the Epic. The screen and internal chips are awesome. HBO go, avi files, YouTube and flash (and Netflix some day officially I hope)--they all work great. This is a cinephile's phone, no doubt.
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I never thought I'd say this, but I love watching video on a cell phone, thanks to the Epic. The screen and internal chips are awesome. HBO go, avi files, YouTube and flash (and Netflix some day officially I hope)--they all work great. This is a cinephile's phone, no doubt.
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I'm going to have to agree. I enjoy watching videos of all kinds on my Epic. From MLB to Media Hub and now Netflix. I find myself willing on paying for content thanks to the Epic. I'm guessing its only going to get better when the galaxy s2 comes out.
Wow thanks for all of the feedback guys. I am so amped to get this new phone.
Lately everything has been sucking and I am trying remedy the problems. I am planning on upgrading my cf5770's to a gtx 580 as well. SO having that and the Epic would make me feel so much better.
I have not been able to watch ANYTHING on my Evo for the past few months. Also I cracked the screen but that was after the video lag stuff.
Thanks guys!
Just in case anyone else is interested. I was disappointed to find that the Evo is not supported by Gameloft's recent release of Order & Chaos so on a whim I tried to see if it would really run on my Evo (CM7) via the following steps and...it runs! It seems fairly playable, in fact. The framerate is not super smooth but it's passable. I haven't gotten into any big battles yet so maybe other parts of the game will not work as well; I guess we'll see.
I first shutdown my Evo.
I logged into my Google account on my wife's Evo Shift and bought the game via Market.
I started the game to download the ~600 MB of game assets.
I backed up the game via Titanium Backup and transfered the backup and the game assets to my Evo. (The game assets live in /sdcard/gameloft/games/GloftMMHM.)
I then restored the backup onto my Evo, started the game, created an account, and started playing.
It seems the the Evo is getting too long in the tooth for the last few Gameloft titles. But here's a little much-appreciated victory. Maybe this will cheer up someone else, too.
Quick question. I was planning on doing some game reviews for Android once I received my Evo 4G. Do you know of anyway to force this to appear in the Market? I've been away from the scene since I dropped my Samsung Moment months ago and I don't have any device that supports it. I'd rather not have to "find alternate ways of obtaining" this game just to do a review. I know not to expect great performance, since I'm assuming it is actually graphics bottlenecked (since the Evo Shift 4G is supported). However, I'd really only be recording glimpses of gameplay. HDMI out on the Evo is really important for recording game footage for reviews (I have an HD capture card) so it was obviously my first choice since I'm stuck on Sprint.
Is there like a modified Market available? Or is it possible to use a Market from another device like say an Evo Shift 4G?
Gah, my account was set up not to notify me of replies by default. Sorry for the delay.
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Do you know of anyway to force this to appear in the Market?
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Yes. In short, you need to edit your /system/build.prop file. There are apps on Market that allow you to do this (or you can also use adb shell if you're comfy at a Linux prompt).
Find the lines for ro.product.name and ro.product.device and change the supersonic portion to speedy then reboot. Order and Chaos will now appear in Market thinking you're running the Evo Shift. When you've installed/updated the game, change the lines back and reboot again.
I haven't had any issues with this method but you're probably best off backing up your phone before messing with that file. In app purchases *usually* still work but not always (seems to come and go and it doesn't correlate with app version updates so I'm not sure what's going on there). The game runs pretty well on the Evo I have to say. The view distance where enemies and terrain fade in at is not all that far out but it rarely trips me up and I've logged a couple dozen hours in this game on my Evo so far.