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How to speed up our device?

Hi guys,
I've just brought this fantastic device, and I'm very happy about it. He is really snappy whit Nova launcher However I would like to receive some suggestions from you on how to get the best from our N10.
For example, I was thinking to install a custom rom and a custom kernel, but I rly don't know which and I don't know if they rly can give some advantages.
I was thinking something like purity rom (because of tweaked bionic and dalvik libraries) + KT Kernel (because it has been recently updated). Or maybe KT kernel + stock rom + ART
What do you think? Have you got any suggestion? Tell me
PS: sry for my bad English

Hi,
I've been using CyanogenMod 11 with its own kernel for some long time now, it never ceased to disappoint me! However, it's not recommendable creating threads asking for the "best kernel/ROM", the best thing to be done is downloading and trying yourself until you find something that suits well your needs . CM11 with NOVA Launcher was good enough for me hehe.
~Lord

XxLordxX said:
Hi,
I've been using CyanogenMod 11 with its own kernel for some long time now, it never ceased to disappoint me! However, it's not recommendable creating threads asking for the "best kernel/ROM", the best thing to be done is downloading and trying yourself until you find something that suits well your needs . CM11 with NOVA Launcher was good enough for me hehe.
~Lord
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Eheh I know that, but I'm not a flash maniac, and rly I have fear to brick my device flashing and re-flashing roms on roms... That's why I'm asking your opinion. I would like to find immediately the best solution, flash it and then don't touch the device more.
However the for your opinion. I will keep it in mind

OmniSlyfer said:
Hi guys,
I've just brought this fantastic device, and I'm very happy about it. He is really snappy whit Nova launcher However I would like to receive some suggestions from you on how to get the best from our N10.
For example, I was thinking to install a custom rom and a custom kernel, but I rly don't know which and I don't know if they rly can give some advantages.
I was thinking something like purity rom (because of tweaked bionic and dalvik libraries) + KT Kernel (because it has been recently updated). Or maybe KT kernel + stock rom + ART
What do you think? Have you got any suggestion? Tell me
PS: sry for my bad English
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I think that the first thing you need to ask yourself is what are your priorities with this device? For instance gaming performance, media consumption, is stability paramount... Etc?
You may want to start off with rooted stock and add the XPosed framework plus modules that give you custom ROM features particularly Gravity Box. If you need more then change your kernel (Franco, KTManta ... Etc). No matter which way you go take nandroid backups and save them off your device before making a significant change (kernel, custom ROM, moving away from stock). Your recovery of choice will provide you with the nandroid backup/recovery functions.
Also read, read... Knowing the focus of a specific kernel or ROM will help in making your choices balanced by the issues other users are having.
Good luck.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium HD app

3DSammy said:
I think that the first thing you need to ask yourself is what are your priorities with this device? For instance gaming performance, media consumption, is stability paramount... Etc?
You may want to start off with rooted stock and add the XPosed framework plus modules that give you custom ROM features particularly Gravity Box. If you need more then change your kernel (Franco, KTManta ... Etc). No matter which way you go take nandroid backups and save them off your device before making a significant change (kernel, custom ROM, moving away from stock). Your recovery of choice will provide you with the nandroid backup/recovery functions.
Also read, read... Knowing the focus of a specific kernel or ROM will help in making your choices balanced by the issues other users are having.
Good luck.
Sent from my Nexus 10 using XDA Premium HD app
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Thank for the answer.
Yeah I always read all the feature of roms... But they never speak about optimization or performance. They always add features and options on Android but... Nothing I can't get with gravitybox.
What I need is smoothness. Not necessarily game performance, but speed while moving from app to app without microlag.
However, let me ask here other questions without opening another thread:
1)Is it normal that, when trying to access the recovery (my device is locked and not rooted) it display "no commands"? Do I need to unlock the device to get into recovery?
2) Can you suggest me a program make backups of my games saves and apps without root? Because I need to backups my data before unlocking the device...

OmniSlyfer said:
Thank for the answer.
Yeah I always read all the feature of roms... But they never speak about optimization or performance. They always add features and options on Android but... Nothing I can't get with gravitybox.
What I need is smoothness. Not necessarily game performance, but speed while moving from app to app without microlag.
However, let me ask here other questions without opening another thread:
1)Is it normal that, when trying to access the recovery (my device is locked and not rooted) it display "no commands"? Do I need to unlock the device to get into recovery?
2) Can you suggest me a program make backups of my games saves and apps without root? Because I need to backups my data before unlocking the device...
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Well, I can't really speak on custom ROMs and kernels because I'm perfectly happy with running stock rooted with Xposed Framework on my N5, N7 (2013) and N10. But, to answer your questions:
1) Yes, it's normal. When you boot into Recovery, all you initially see is the android laying on his back with a red exclamation mark over him. In order to get the commands to show, you need to hit power + volume down (or maybe up, I always forget) at the same time. It can take a few tries with the buttons, but they'll eventually show up.
2) I believe an app called Helium is what you are looking for. I've never used it since I'm already rooted and use Titanium Backup, but I believe it kind of works the same as Titanium Backup.

charesa39 said:
I'm perfectly happy with running stock rooted with Xposed Framework on my N5, N7 (2013) and N10.
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Do you mind providing the instructions of installing Xposed Framework on N4 and N10? Thanks a lot!

Nexus devices are very very hard to brick. Luckily. So no worries there mate. As for roms. Long story short: there is no best rom. If you want speed juat overclock the beast..
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mj56gt said:
Do you mind providing the instructions of installing Xposed Framework on N4 and N10? Thanks a lot!
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No problem. Everything you need to know can be found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/framework-xposed-rom-modding-modifying-t1574401.
It's pretty straightforward. Just install the Xposed Installer apk, then go into the Xposed Installer app and hit "Install/Update". Reboot, and Xposed Framework should be installed. Then, just go back into the Xposed Installer app and click "Download" and choose whatever Modules you want to run. My personal favorites are Gravity Box, Unicon (purchased through the Play Store), Xuimod, and App Settings. I also have the Xposed GEL Settings (XGELS) Module, but only on my Nexus 10 since I love the Google Now Launcher, but it shrinks the icon grid considerably. So XGELS allows me to get the same number of icons on the GN Launcher as the default launcher.
Edit: Oh, and here is a collection of the Modules so you can see what each of them do: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/index-collection-xposed-modules-post-t2327541

charesa39 said:
No problem. Everything you need to know can be found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/framework-xposed-rom-modding-modifying-t1574401.
It's pretty straightforward. Just install the Xposed Installer apk, then go into the Xposed Installer app and hit "Install/Update". Reboot, and Xposed Framework should be installed. Then, just go back into the Xposed Installer app and click "Download" and choose whatever Modules you want to run. My personal favorites are Gravity Box, Unicon (purchased through the Play Store), Xuimod, and App Settings. I also have the Xposed GEL Settings (XGELS) Module, but only on my Nexus 10 since I love the Google Now Launcher, but it shrinks the icon grid considerably. So XGELS allows me to get the same number of icons on the GN Launcher as the default launcher.
Edit: Oh, and here is a collection of the Modules so you can see what each of them do: http://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/index-collection-xposed-modules-post-t2327541
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Thanks a lot for the detailed help!
A couple of questions:
1) Is backup necessary before the installation?
2) Does the Enable Translucent Decor module hide the navigation and notification bars?
3) Would the installation of the Xposed framework interfere with the stock ROM updates later on?
Thanks again for your kind help...

mj56gt said:
Thanks a lot for the detailed help!
A couple of questions:
1) Is backup necessary before the installation?
2) Does the Enable Translucent Decor module hide the navigation and notification bars?
3) Would the installation of the Xposed framework interfere with the stock ROM updates later on?
Thanks again for your kind help...
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No problem.
1) It's not really necessary, but before installing/flashing anything that can modify system files, I always think it's a good idea to make a backup beforehand. You never know. That being said, it's all really simple.
2) If you're talking about the solid black background in the notification and navigation bars, then yes. It doesn't completely get rid of them, it just makes the black bar transparent like it should be when using the Google Now Launcher. I don't use that specific module because I already use Gravity Box, and it already has that option to enable translucent decor. It works flawlessly. I don't know why Google said it causes issues on the Nexus 10. If you want to completely get rid of those two bars, you need to enable something like PIE controls and Expanded Desktop.
3) Yes. But the solution is simple. When you want to update via OTA, all you have to do is go into the Xposed Installer app, and under Framework, just click Uninstall. This replaces the modified Framework with the stock Framework so you can update via OTA without any issues. You don't even have to uncheck or uninstall your Modules or the Xposed Installer app itself. Then, after updating, you'll probably just have to re-root by flashing SuperSU in recovery (unless you have survival mode enabled). After that, simply go back into the Xposed Installer app, and under Framework again, click Install/Update. As long as you left your Modules as is, your setup should be back to how it was before you took the OTA.

Well guys, i think I'm going to install SlimKat 4.0 and KTmanta Kernel... I will tell you if I'm satisfied of my choice

Ok guys, I've done some tests and now I've decided too keep Purity rom + ART... And the results are incredible!
23000 score on Antutu benchmark
9000 with Quadrat
Incredible performances and a GREAT battery life, much better than stock rom with dalvik
I think that the tweaked ART and Kernel of Purity Rom deliver the best experience with our device. I suggest it, you will be surprised of the benefits you can get!
Thank to everyone who helped me in this thread

I have been very happy with my AOKP and Franco Kernel combination.

I've installed Purity ROM + ART and it's fast - but i still think stock 4.3 is faster. I tried KTManta and that didn't change things despite overclocking the CPU and GPU.Wish we could have ART on a 4.3 rom.
Are there any recommended 4.3 rom/kernel combos that give good performance?
Edit: First time i installed Purity I didn't install GApps. It was incredibily smooth and fast. After installing GApps, it became laggy again, similar to my experience of stock 4.4.2.

sheyac said:
I've installed Purity ROM + ART and it's fast - but i still think stock 4.3 is faster. I tried KTManta and that didn't change things despite overclocking the CPU and GPU.Wish we could have ART on a 4.3 rom.
Are there any recommended 4.3 rom/kernel combos that give good performance?
Edit: First time i installed Purity I didn't install GApps. It was incredibily smooth and fast. After installing GApps, it became laggy again, similar to my experience of stock 4.4.2.
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Do you really find 4.3 faster then kitkat + art? It's really strange. Well I know that the latest jelly bean firmware maybe is built better than 4.4.2 (which has got some bugs here and there, and yeah I prefer JB device options format) but ART is unbeatable, except by a very well tweaked Dalvik library.
However I think I know maybe why Purity 4.4.2 seems laggy to you. Maybe it's Google now launcher + transparent status bar & notification bar.
I've changed the launcher to Nova (but u can use Apex and similar) and immediately disabled translucent bars. It's smooth like butter now. With tra translucent bars, instead, everything was a little laggy and not fluid. In particular the Drawer scrolling was clearly laggy.
So, try to Nandroid backup, flash again Purity + Gapps. Then change Launcher (and unistall the google one if u want) and disable translucent bars. Then activate ART.
That's what I've done and I'm very happy of the performance provided by my Nexus 10
Also now I'm trying KTmanta Kernel. I didn't found increased performances, but I really like the possibility to undervolt both CPU & GPU. Undervolt = less energy request = No overheat = best battery life

SmokinCharger said:
I have been very happy with my AOKP and Franco Kernel combination.
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But it doesn't support Undervolting, am I right?

OmniSlyfer said:
But it doesn't support Undervolting, am I right?
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Franco kernel supports undervolting

PHP:
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Franco kernel supports undervolting
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This is cool
I' going to test KTmanta for another week, then I will switch to Franco kernel to see which is better

Sure I agree the general UI and multitasking is snappier with 4.4.2 with ART than 4.3.1...BUT I primarily bought the nexus 10 to consume media (e.g. video, ebooks, music) and for me buttered AOKP 4.3 is much smoother when watching video than any 4.4.2 rom/kernel combo I tried. The trade off is a bit of stutter in the UI but I can live with that. Video was just terrible on 4.4.2, including audio sync lag and plenty of dropped frames.
Can't wait to see how 4.5 behaves with video as I really like ART!

Marshmallow on the OnePlus 5?

Hi everyone,
I have a really crazy idea and like to hear your opinion about it. But first let me introduce the topic.
First, let's take a look at what is going on when upgrading from one major Android version to a newer.
The boot and system partition are filled with new content.
Beside kernel adjustments, this is only related to Android, not device specific stuff, right?
Then we have more stuff like the recovery, closed source drivers for the modem, etc. Several times I read about the "firmware". I'm not sure what is meant with firmware exactly in case of a smartphone and how much device specific it is.
How much is this further stuff related to the Android version running on the device?
Summarizing, what is done by a manufacturer when upgrading a device from let's say Marshmallow to Nougat? What needs to be touched and what is not?
Now to the crazy idea. What about downgrading from one major Android version to an older, espacially when there is no older version by the manufacturer? What would need to be touched in this case? Did someone ever try this?
Finally I come to the real question:
Is it possible to port Android Marshmallow to the OnePlus 5?
The reason for this crazy idea is that I can't live without Xposed. But the Xposed Framework isn't available yet for Android Nougat. And to be honest, I'm not sure anymore if it will ever be.
I'm a developer, but I'm afraid I'm not experienced enough to help porting Xposed over to Android Nougat. I would if I could, but my time is limited also.
In contrast to porting Xposed to Nougat, porting Marshmallow to the OnePlus 5 might be easier for me or us, the people who would like to have a OnePlus 5, but can't live without Xposed.
I'm curious about what you think about this crazy idea.

What about Magisk? I've heard that Magisk simplify everything

I actually like the idea! It would be great to have "retro" ROMs, like Android 5, 4.4, or lower. I know it's a bit stupid, but that would be cool in my opinion

I would love it also just because of Xposed,nothing else really

FloyderE said:
What about Magisk? I've heard that Magisk simplify everything
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Magisk is a great tool, but it doesn't have the capabilities of Xposed. So this won't help.
But let's talk only about Marshmallow on the OnePlus 5 here, not about alternatives.

I would absolutely love if OP5 had a Custom Marshmallow port.....I also cannot live without Xposed.

I heard Xposed was ported on Nougat Rom with ARM architecture
I heard Xposed was ported on Nougat Rom with ARM architecture

Jonathanve said:
I heard Xposed was ported on Nougat Rom with ARM architecture
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Not true....it is still very much in a development stage as stated in this most recent update from XDA/Rovo
https://www.xda-developers.com/xposed-android-nougat-support/

Stupifier said:
I would absolutely love if OP5 had a Custom Marshmallow port.....I also cannot live without Xposed.
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Just curious, but why? What do you use in Xposed you can't live without that root and custom ROMs don't offer?

Due to the fact you would have to literally write a kernel for MM for the Oneplus5 as there is no existing one, it would be more worthwhile to put all that time into geting Xposed working.
It's probably possible but the mammoth effort to get an older OS on your device would not be expedient...

Stupifier said:
Not true....it is still very much in a development stage as stated in this most recent update from XDA/Rovo
https://www.xda-developers.com/xposed-android-nougat-support/
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I am currently using the Oneplus 5,
do you think there could be any way i can use Xposed?
The reason I prefer Oneplus is for being so open and easy to root together with Xposed personally.

1. Technically it should be possible, you just need drivers that would boot Marshmallow on SD 835.
2. Older systems usually have simpler/less API than new one, so there would be no "unsupported" system features.
3. Easiest way would be to port a kernel from a device that shipps with SD 835 and Marshmallow, for now I saw some on benchmarks, but they will probably ship with N onboard when released.

geoff5093 said:
Just curious, but why? What do you use in Xposed you can't live without that root and custom ROMs don't offer?
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We don't discuss this here. You can believe me, when I say I can't live without it. Xposed's capabilities go much much further then custom roms.

Cypher_01 said:
We don't discuss this here. You can believe me, when I say I can't live without it. Xposed's capabilities go much much further then custom roms.
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Which is why I asked... The point of this thread you created was to get Xposed on the OP5, so I don't see why you can't discuss that here. I'm genuinely curious what it is about Xposed that you need that custom ROMs and/or root can't offer.

geoff5093 said:
Which is why I asked... The point of this thread you created was to get Xposed on the OP5, so I don't see why you can't discuss that here. I'm genuinely curious what it is about Xposed that you need that custom ROMs and/or root can't offer.
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The thread is about getting Marshmallow on the OP5.

geoff5093 said:
Which is why I asked... The point of this thread you created was to get Xposed on the OP5, so I don't see why you can't discuss that here. I'm genuinely curious what it is about Xposed that you need that custom ROMs and/or root can't offer.
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https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed/modules/mod-force-touch-detector-t3130154
Not possible currently without Xposed. Have not seen an app able to do this, have not seen Tasker or Tasker Plug-In able to do this.....nothing does this function. Very useful!

@geoff5093 OK, if you really want to know, I took the time to create a short list:
YouTube AdAway is a good example. It removes ads from the original YouTube app.
YouTube Background Playback adds what you usually only get when you pay for YouTube Red.
XHangouts adds certain stuff to the Hangouts app, like moving the call button to the manu, so that you don't accidently press it.
Amplify can extend your battery life.
Greenify works also only with root, but better (more capabilities) with Xposed.
MinMinGuard removes ads from apps.
App Settings, a classic module by rovo89, the developer of Xposed, can do several configuration stuff per app.
GravityBox is an example, that offers functionality that can also be done by using a custom rom, but selected features are only offered by this module.
I do even more with Xposed, almost everything isn't possible using only root and custom roms.
TL;DR
A custom rom can only add/change functionality of built in stuff, not apps. Xposed can manipulate also apps.

Cypher_01 said:
@geoff5093 OK, if you really want to know, I took the time to create a short list:
YouTube AdAway is a good example. It removes ads from the original YouTube app.
YouTube Background Playback adds what you usually only get when you pay for YouTube Red.
XHangouts adds certain stuff to the Hangouts app, like moving the call button to the manu, so that you don't accidently press it.
Amplify can extend your battery life.
Greenify works also only with root, but better (more capabilities) with Xposed.
MinMinGuard removes ads from apps.
App Settings, a classic module by rovo89, the developer of Xposed, can do several configuration stuff per app.
GravityBox is an example, that offers functionality that can also be done by using a custom rom, but selected features are only offered by this module.
I do even more with Xposed, almost everything isn't possible using only root and custom roms.
TL;DR
A custom rom can only add/change functionality of built in stuff, not apps. Xposed can manipulate also apps.
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Thanks for the list. I used to use many of those as well, but the benefits of greenify and amplify are pretty much moot when you have to sacrifice the significantly enhanced performance of doze in Nougat.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk

It seems that not many people are interested in Marshmallow on the OnePlus 5. This is comprehensible, at least since we saw a first unofficial release of Xposed for Nougat here on XDA.
For everyone participating in this thread, Xposed is the reason why we would like to see Marshmallow on the OnePlus 5. Once Xposed for Nougat is out, the idea get's obsolete.
Let's see when we will get Xposed for Nougat, hopefully rovo89 is successful! :fingers-crossed:

Jonathanve said:
I heard Xposed was ported on Nougat Rom with ARM architecture
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Unofficial Xposed is Working on Nugat, though it breaks, SafetyNet. It was first tasted on OP3T :fingers-crossed:
[XPOSED] [NOUGAT] [WORK] [CAN UNSTABLE] Xposed SDK25/24 for all arch
Not all of the Modules are working, here's an Unofficial List...
[UNOFFICIAL] List of modules which work with Nougat Xposed SDK25
the Unofficial Supported Device list sohows OP5 is supported.
Take risk, you never know what you may find. At least you may come up with some interesting Logs.

OxygenOS vs. LineageOS

I know that the OnePlus 1 (originally) came with Cyanogenmod but then Cyanogenmod shut down, branching into LineageOS and OnePlus made OxygenOS. However, I don't know which features LineageOS has that OxygenOS doesn't and what LineageOS doesn't have that OxygenOS has. I'm not sure if I should switch from OxygenOS to LineageOS. Could anyone tell me the pros and cons of each and their recommendation?

keeganjk said:
I know that the OnePlus 1 (originally) came with Cyanogenmod but then Cyanogenmod shut down, branching into LineageOS and OnePlus made OxygenOS. However, I don't know which features LineageOS has that OxygenOS doesn't and what LineageOS doesn't have that OxygenOS has. I'm not sure if I should switch from OxygenOS to LineageOS. Could anyone tell me the pros and cons of each and their recommendation?
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I prefer the customisation and feel of aosp, it's just my preference, there is no best rom or OS, the problem for me and many more with aosp and Los is the inability to use the camera as expected.
Fusion is probably the best rom as in non OOS but has the camera from it which works nearly perfect

Your best bet is to use stock OOS long enough to get a good feel for it then make a nandroid backup and flash Lineage. That way you can decide for yourself and it just takes a few minutes to go back to OOS if you decide you like it better than Lineage. I've tried a number of custom ROMs but haven't found one I liked better than OOS + Blu Spark yet. A lot of people like Pure Fusion but I couldn't get even a decent phone signal with that ROM. It seems to be incompatible with my phone carrier.

How is the OOS-camera-app with AOSP-roms?
I see there is magisk-modules for custom roms you can flash via TWRP.
Is the the same quality compere to OOS?

acrylamid said:
How is the OOS-camera-app with AOSP-roms?
I see there is magisk-modules for custom roms you can flash via TWRP.
Is the the same quality compere to OOS?
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Imho, nothing compares to oos stock camera, not even the modified Google camera. It's coming along but I was using it on lineage for a few days and felt the picture quality was definitely lacking.
As for the OP, the best advice has been given, play with OOS, tweak it to your liking and then back it up and go try it with lineage. I went back to OOS From lineage because lineage is still very new for our device and it has flaws that I didn't want to deal with on my daily driver. In time, I'm 99% certain I will jump to lineage because I think it's great; but for now on my op5 it's oos plus blu-spark.
(Plus I'm hoping @eng.stk will make a LOS kernel (don't kill me man lol))

Megaflop666 said:
Imho, nothing compares to oos stock camera, not even the modified Google camera. It's coming along but I was using it on lineage for a few days and felt the picture quality was definitely lacking.
As for the OP, the best advice has been given, play with OOS, tweak it to your liking and then back it up and go try it with lineage. I went back to OOS From lineage because lineage is still very new for our device and it has flaws that I didn't want to deal with on my daily driver. In time, I'm 99% certain I will jump to lineage because I think it's great; but for now on my op5 it's oos plus blu-spark.
(Plus I'm hoping @eng.stk will make a LOS kernel (don't kill me man lol))
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Don't want to go OT, buty blu_spark custom is fully compatible with LOS ( I even merged in r36 the swap key keycode from LOS that was missing ).
LOS is where I usually test my custom stuff.

eng.stk said:
Don't want to go OT, buty blu_spark custom is fully compatible with LOS ( I even merged in r36 the swap key keycode from LOS that was missing ).
LOS is where I usually test my custom stuff.
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Didn't know you had it set up for lineage... Nice, you da man, and all that good stuff!
Guess what I'm trying to night? [emoji23]

acrylamid said:
How is the OOS-camera-app with AOSP-roms?
I see there is magisk-modules for custom roms you can flash via TWRP.
Is the the same quality compere to OOS?
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If you wanted the OOS camera, you could use an APK Extractor and back up the APK and install it after installing a custom ROM.

eng.stk said:
Don't want to go OT, buty blu_spark custom is fully compatible with LOS ( I even merged in r36 the swap key keycode from LOS that was missing ).
LOS is where I usually test my custom stuff.
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What exactly is BluSpark? I've used BluSpark TWRP and it looks different, but I can't tell any differences.

keeganjk said:
What exactly is BluSpark? I've used BluSpark TWRP and it looks different, but I can't tell any differences.
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Feel free to use the search button on my thread.

I am a long time custom ROM flashoholic, and had custom ROMs on every phone I could.
OOS is the first stock OS that satisfies my needs for customization, features and the lack of bloat.
I recommend using stock with Magisk, as you pretty much have all the features from OOS and all the possibilities from a custom ROM.
The only thing lacking for me is the "long volume press skip track" feature, but I have that on my headphones (just not on the phone itself).
Benefit is that you still can receive updates (just reflash Magisk) and camera quality stays.
I cant really give any valid reason for switching to a custom OS besides dropped mainstream support, and I think that shouldnt happen for at least 2-3 more years. (In which time you will probably get a new phone )

In short: LOS is more up to date, and better battery life but slower app openings, and maybe more bugs (i didn't notice any yet)

keeganjk said:
If you wanted the OOS camera, you could use an APK Extractor and back up the APK and install it after installing a custom ROM.
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Doesn't work quite like that, when you extract the camera and try to use it outside oos, it fails; unless someone has a find a way to do it.

Megaflop666 said:
Doesn't work quite like that, when you extract the camera and try to use it outside oos, it fails; unless someone has a find a way to do it.
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Really? I thought APKs worked across all Android.

keeganjk said:
Really? I thought APKs worked across all Android.
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No, you can make Apks that depend on device specific framework libraries. They'll only work if the libraries are there.
Now you can copy framework libraries, but in the OOS camera case, you also need modifications to the kernel and to Android to make it work.
In short, your ROM has to support it.
The only ROM I know that kinda support the OOS cam is PureFusion. And even, the smile capture and a few other minor things still do not work.

Fif_ said:
No, you can make Apks that depend on device specific framework libraries. They'll only work if the libraries are there.
Now you can copy framework libraries, but in the OOS camera case, you also need modifications to the kernel and to Android to make it work.
In short, your ROM has to support it.
The only ROM I know that kinda support the OOS cam is PureFusion. And even, the smile capture and a few other minor things still do not work.
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I often use an APK Extractor with my apps on my phone and install them on my Kindle Fire. How does that work, then?

keeganjk said:
I often use an APK Extractor with my apps on my phone and install them on my Kindle Fire. How does that work, then?
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As mentioned, APKs may depend on specific libraries or frameworks. Some apps don't need specific libraries or frameworks. OOS Camera does. Try extracting the APK and install it on your Fire.
Try the Google Dialer. Try Google Camera.
Do you not believe us lol?

heov said:
As mentioned, APKs may depend on specific libraries or frameworks. Some apps don't need specific libraries or frameworks. OOS Camera does. Try extracting the APK and install it on your Fire.
Try the Google Dialer. Try Google Camera.
Do you not believe us lol?
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OK, I get out now.

[DISCUSSION][OT][8.1.x]Oreo ROM Discussion thread for Titan

This thread is made for Oreo ROM discussion, in development threads, there should be only discussions about a specific bugs and issues, any OT should go here, I thought there should be a common discussion thread for suggestions, theming, substratum, dolby, viper, custom kernels mods and your home screens etc, as if you use any modified stuffs on rom, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REPORT BUGS AT ROM DEVELOPMENT thread, thats why this common discussion thread is here.
Currently, all Oreo ROM has following issues:
>SElinux is permissive, means SElinux wont be at Enforcing state
>HDR works with only OpenCamera/A Better Camera, with stock cameras, HDR doesnt work If any maintainer didnt implement HDR fix yet, try the zip from attachments
What is SElinux and what means SElinux is permissive?
A: https://source.android.com/security/selinux here is your answer
List of currently developed OREO roms?
A: @sapo_joe has made a thread for it, go here and if you find any rom missing request him there to add https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g-2014/general/list-currently-developed-roms-titan-t3736067
Developers who are behind to bringup oreo to our titan:
1: @LuK1337 , he is lit, all of our works based on his codes
2: @RenanQueiroz , is the guy who fixed issues which were on Luk's los builds, and brought stable tree to us for building roms, currently all roms are based on his trees
So, feel free to discuss about anything here from now, that can be OT, unofficial builds, build issues and anything that doesnt violate XDA rules, cheers

AOSP-CAF 8.1 for Moto G 2014 (TITAN)
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=5862345805528049539
built by RenanQueiroz
AFAIK AOSP-CAF is the cleanest ROM baseline. Will definitely follow it.

Hey @thedeadfish59
Any plans of making AICP official?
Thanks for your work!!

CMKdaGreatest said:
Hey @thedeadfish59
Any plans of making AICP official?
Thanks for your work!!
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Well not planning right now, but as long as I dont stay busy I will keep it updated, nothing to worry about, AICP will not miss security patches if official source merge em, cheers

Some people might know bout Spectrum. Its a battery, balanced and performance kernel-profiling app. All it needs is a kernel support. @thedeadfish59 can you make the RR kernel support Spectrum? It'll give great benefits.

CMKdaGreatest said:
Some people might know bout Spectrum. Its a battery, balanced and performance kernel-profiling app. All it needs is a kernel support. @thedeadfish59 can you make the RR kernel support Spectrum? It'll give great benefits.
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Indeed thats a good idea, but, only when I will get time, I will think about it, i just released a build, so I will think when I build again, thanks tho

Am I the only one that has issues with apps freezing and force closing in every single Oreo ROM? Happens most frequently to me with browsers and reddit clients. Everyone's all happy with Oreo and the abundance of ROMs but no one talks about this problem. Also before anyone mentions that's its a problem with my device, it's not because I don't get these issues on Nougat.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RenanQueirozRRQ/posts/AoKkmMsuYz2
Wow! (Check the SELinux status).
For me, LineageOS 15.1 [TITAN] by Renan looks like the best Oreo ROM to install as soon as SELinux issue is resolved, because the codebase is mature, it is supported on a regular basis AND there is official Root addon.
Have anyone tried to root LOS 15.1 with the official Root addon? How is the performance after rooting with the official Root addon, are there any lags or freezes introduced by rooting?

m00nlighter said:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RenanQueirozRRQ/posts/AoKkmMsuYz2
Wow! (Check the SELinux status)
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They've been working on that for months now... The bad part, as you can see on the screenshot is that when selinux is set to enforcing, the phone doesn't detect the sim cards... :crying:
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CodeDroid said:
Am I the only one that has issues with apps freezing and force closing in every single Oreo ROM? Happens most frequently to me with browsers and reddit clients. Everyone's all happy with Oreo and the abundance of ROMs but no one talks about this problem. Also before anyone mentions that's its a problem with my device, it's not because I don't get these issues on Nougat.
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I had that when I was using Magisk or SuperSU. Doesn't happen with the stock lineage root though.

sapo_joe said:
They've been working on that for months now... The bad part, as you can see on the screenshot is that when selinux is set to enforcing, the phone doesn't detect the sim cards... :crying:
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I had that when I was using Magisk or SuperSU. Doesn't happen with the stock lineage root though.
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Is Lineage 15.1 certified in Play Store without Magisk?

sapo_joe said:
I had that when I was using Magisk or SuperSU. Doesn't happen with the stock lineage root though.
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Happens to be regardless if I'm rooted or not and with every single Oreo ROM I've tried so far. Almost a dealbreaker for me tbh. Nougat rarely ever gave me such issues.

sapo_joe said:
They've been working on that for months now... The bad part, as you can see on the screenshot is that when selinux is set to enforcing, the phone doesn't detect the sim cards... :crying:
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Hmm I'd like to have this clarified. AFAIK, the SELinux state is not persistent across reboots—that is, as soon as a device is rebooted, SELinux state reverts to the state the kernel was built with—in our case it's the permissive state.
If SELinux is permissive at boot, the SIM cards are detected normally, right?
What happens if we set SELinux to enforcing AFTER boot (with root it should be simple, we only need to execute "su -c setenforce 1" in any terminal emulator)?
First, do the SIM cards get undetected as soon as SELinux state is switched?
Second, if we set SELinux to enforcing and then switch to the Flight Mode and back without rebooting the device, will SIM cards be re-detected as soon as the Flight Mode is disabled?

Danilo-Sanchez said:
Is Lineage 15.1 certified in Play Store without Magisk?
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RR is not certified in PS without magisk. So I don't think LOS is either.

m00nlighter said:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/+RenanQueirozRRQ/posts/AoKkmMsuYz2
Wow! (Check the SELinux status).
For me, LineageOS 15.1 [TITAN] by Renan looks like the best Oreo ROM to install as soon as SELinux issue is resolved, because the codebase is mature, it is supported on a regular basis AND there is official Root addon.
Have anyone tried to root LOS 15.1 with the official Root addon? How is the performance after rooting with the official Root addon, are there any lags or freezes introduced by rooting?
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Thats not happening, with enforcing boot, Renan didnt get RIL working, and so many things are broken, so most probably, we are staying with permissive SElinux, but however, HDR is still major concern, to Renan, to all of us

thedeadfish59 said:
Thats not happening, with enforcing boot, Renan didnt get RIL working, and so many things are broken, so most probably, we are staying with permissive SElinux, but however, HDR is still major concern, to Renan, to all of us
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Oh. So it's not only RIL but also other things that are broken on Oreo with SELinux enforcing?
Nice of you to spread the info, many thanks!

@Wolfcity, are you still on AEX 5.6?? What kernel are you using and what kind of SOT are you getting on it??
I'm bored and in need to test more ROMs... LOL

sapo_joe said:
I'm bored and in need to test more ROMs... LOL
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Instead of new ROMs, you can test a new build of Evolution Kernel
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77066703&postcount=197
- Source sync with LOS and is more clean without crap
- Offline charge battery fixed (credits to RenanQueiroz)
- Dolby DAP sound driver enable
- High Performance headset enable
- Delay in plug/unplug headset fixed
- Low latency sound driver added
- Stereo call support
- 320kbs sound
- More changes for high quality sound added
- Simple GPU algorithm added
- Overclock 1593 mhz added (UC to 96 mhz needs repair now, if you know how to warn the private)
- Some fixes for memory leaks added
- kgsl changes for battery saver added
- MSM_HOTPLUG
- WQ_Power efficient driver added
- Kernel Neon features enable
- PowerSuspend driver added
- Efficient_Unaligned_Acces enable
- RWSEM_XCHGADD algorithm added
- tcp_westwood : Tune-up
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m00nlighter said:
Instead of new ROMs, you can test a new build of Evolution Kernel
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=77066703&postcount=197
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I tried it, it was good. But battery was a little better in stock RR kernel. Do u customize it in any way?? How do u improve battery life with that kernel?

sapo_joe said:
@Wolfcity, are you still on AEX 5.6?? What kernel are you using and what kind of SOT are you getting on it??
I'm bored and in need to test more ROMs... LOL
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I know that feeling....:laugh:
I changed to the latest Pixel Experience build for the moment. I once flashed that ROM before and I was missing some features but the battery consumption was just awesome. So I gave it a second try and found two substratum apps called K-Klock and /subtweaks/ that had some of the things I was missing.
When I was on AEX.5.6 I used it alongside with Evolution_oreo_titan_20180603 kernel, the performance was really good but the battery consumption was high as we know it from AEX. I have to say that PE provides a really great RAM managment and the best battery usage I found until now.
Next on my list is bootleggers ROM, heard good things about it.
edit: Just read about the new build of Evolution kernel. Will try it with PE.

Wolfcity said:
I know that feeling....:laugh:
I changed to the latest Pixel Experience build for the moment. I once flashed that ROM before and I was missing some features but the battery consumption was just awesome. So I gave it a second try and found two substratum apps called K-Klock and /subtweaks/ that had some of the things I was missing.
When I was on AEX.5.6 I used it alongside with Evolution_oreo_titan_20180603 kernel, the performance was really good but the battery consumption was high as we know it from AEX. I have to say that PE provides a really great RAM managment and the best battery usage I found until now.
Next on my list is bootleggers ROM, heard good things about it.
edit: Just read about the new build of Evolution kernel. Will try it with PE.
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I saw that Pixel Experience have some issues with Whatsapp videos. Are you using Whatsapp on PE?

G5 plus PIE custom ROMs - really an upgrade?

Of late, I have been going back and forth of G5 plus stock ROM and many of the custom PIE roms and have immediately noticed that the sound quality in the stock is so much clear and crisp. All the custom ROMs claim to use the Oreo firmware. My question is that is not the sound/volume setup not part of the firmware? If so, why is there a significant difference in the PIE versus stock ROM? Can anybody please help me understand what I am missing?

Well most of the custom roms have a bit of a volume boost on headphones. Didn't really check the speaker. The sound is also affected by the kernel sometimes as some kernels do have sound tweaks. If you are on a custom rom then you should definitely try viper4android. It's available as a magisk module or you can get a flashable zip too. You can tweak the sound in a way you like. It offers a lot of customisations.

debdeep98 said:
Well most of the custom roms have a bit of a volume boost on headphones. Didn't really check the speaker. The sound is also affected by the kernel sometimes as some kernels do have sound tweaks. If you are on a custom rom then you should definitely try viper4android. It's available as a magisk module or you can get a flashable zip too. You can tweak the sound in a way you like. It offers a lot of customisations.
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I installed viper4android with the Pixel Experience Pie ROM and when I tried to use it kept telling me that Busy Box was required and wouldn't run. The problem is I had Busy Box installed. So I had to give up on viper4android. Not really an issue since I rarely listen to music on my phone. But it was rather odd.

pastorbob62 said:
I installed viper4android with the Pixel Experience Pie ROM and when I tried to use it kept telling me that Busy Box was required and wouldn't run. The problem is I had Busy Box installed. So I had to give up on viper4android. Not really an issue since I rarely listen to music on my phone. But it was rather odd.
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right now, I installed viper4android 2.5.0.5 from magisk 19
never needed Busy box or any other
it's workig really great,
I'm on AEX Pie but it shouldn't make a difference

hab12345 said:
right now, I installed viper4android 2.5.0.5 from magisk 19
never needed Busy box or any other
it's workig really great,
I'm on AEX Pie but it shouldn't make a difference
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I went back and installed it again only this time making sure it was 2.5.0.5 and it works great now. Apparently I was careless the first time and installed an old version that is incompatible with my phone. Go Figure! :good::good::good::good::good:

hab12345 said:
right now, I installed viper4android 2.5.0.5 from magisk 19
never needed Busy box or any other
it's workig really great,
I'm on AEX Pie but it shouldn't make a difference
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Thanks for the info. Is there a list of default sound profiles that exists somewhere I can choose from, to import into the viper4android? I am basically looking to have the same sound clarity and quality as the stock.