Im using froyostone v2 and at this moment battery drains only 1% for over one and half-hour (from 44% to 43%) on standy.its impossible though . but then i just noticed the batt temp is 25c because my hd2 a bit cold because of air conditioner.
in regards of one gadget that shut itself down when overheating.
do you think batt juice going friendly when its cold?
this is the section that you need to post in
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=743
ginjopowder said:
Im using froyostone v2 and at this moment battery drains only 1% for over one and half-hour (from 44% to 43%) on standy.its impossible though . but then i just noticed the batt temp is 25c because my hd2 a bit cold because of air conditioner.
in regards of one gadget that shut itself down when overheating.
do you think batt juice going friendly when its cold?
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it is possible that your phone drains only 1% battery in one and half hour. If you want to monitor the current(for better understanding on how your battery is draining) try current widget from the market and enable logging to the file. My phone loses about 8-10% battery in standby when kept overnight. That's about 1% per hour.
And to answer your question I don't think keeping the battery cold would help with the battery performance. if the battery is hot it sure hurts the performance but I don't believe its true the other way. Its just my experience...don't have any technical proof for this belief!
yes im using 'currentwidget' and it drains 7mA. battery meter using 'battstat'.
just now i've installed 'batteryminder' to get more scientific explanation on this. and i'll try to get it colder
i'll post my report
currentwidget log
hardik119 said:
it is possible that your phone drains only 1% battery in one and half hour. If you want to monitor the current(for better understanding on how your battery is draining) try current widget from the market and enable logging to the file. My phone loses about 8-10% battery in standby when kept overnight. That's about 1% per hour.
And to answer your question I don't think keeping the battery cold would help with the battery performance. if the battery is hot it sure hurts the performance but I don't believe its true the other way. Its just my experience...don't have any technical proof for this belief!
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hmm i never make log on currentwidget. i'll activate this too then
im doing some googling and found this interesting article- although this article explain NimH Battery but think in chemical way they are bothers in hell :
http://www.mpoweruk.com/life.htm
Temperature effects (on battery)
Chemical reactions internal to the battery are driven either by voltage or temperature. The hotter the battery, the faster chemical reactions will occur. High temperatures can thus provide increased performance, but at the same time the rate of the unwanted chemical reactions will increase resulting in a corresponding loss of battery life. The shelf life and charge retention depend on the self discharge rate and self discharge is the result of an unwanted chemical reaction in the cell. Similarly adverse chemical reactions such as passivation of the electrodes, corrosion and gassing are common causes of reduced cycle life. Temperature therefore affects both the shelf life and the cycle life as well as charge retention since they are all due to chemical reactions. Even batteries which are specifically designed around high temperature chemical reactions, (such as Zebra batteries) are not immune to heat induced failures which are the result of parasitic reactions within the cells.
The Arrhenius equation defines the relationship between temperature and the rate at which a chemical action proceeds. It shows that the rate increases exponentially as temperature rises. As a rule of thumb, for every 10 °C increase in temperature the reaction rate doubles. Thus, an hour at 35 °C is equivalent in battery life to two hours at 25 °C. Heat is the enemy of the battery and as Arrhenius shows, even small increases in temperature will have a major influence on battery performance affecting both the desired and undesired chemical reactions.
interesting find! can you experiment further and let everyone know?
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA app on froyo mattc 1.5
okay this is pretty amazing , so when we go to sleep put the phone in the refrigerator
Veldmuus said:
okay this is pretty amazing , so when we go to sleep put the phone in the refrigerator
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since 1hour in 35C = 2hours in 25C, so, under 0C = not losing power at all! :O
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
With axura my battery lasts 16 hours with possibly 600+ texts and youtube alot music about 1 hour a few phone calls alot of web.
I only need it to last 12 hours because I charge overnight so I'm good.
I reconditioned too btw
Does reconditioning actually improve battery life or does it simply make the battery indicator more accurate?
It makes it more accurate. Which in terms helps battery because it reads it perfect so ull last longer
Axura is widely considered to have the best battery life. After flashing a new rom you should let your phone charge to 100% and then wipe battery stats in CWM recovery. It can take several days for reading to be taken from the battery so your battery life will usually improve over time.
Hey, I just wanted to thank you all for your input. I decided to go with the latest version of Axura, and so far I've been loving it. I'm not even a day in and I've noticed a difference.
Thanks once again.
+1 On Axura best battery life........
soltheman said:
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
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first thing to do is
Charge Until 100%
choose rom
Run The Phone All Day, Let It Die
Charge Until 100%
Reboot Into Recovery
Select Reinstall Packages (Do it again if needed)
Select Advanced
Select Wipe Battery Stats
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Does reconditioning actually improve battery life or does it simply make the battery indicator more accurate?
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Neither. "Conditioning" skews the discharge curve from which the battery indicator indexes it percentages. As a result, the battery appears to discharge at slower rate ("better battery life") over the first two-thirds or so of the discharge cycle and then craters like a lead balloon at the end of the discharge cycle. (You really need to have a battery indicator that shows discharge in 1% increments, such as "blue segmented battery mod" to see this.)
To understand this requires a light understanding of the so-called "battery stat tables." There is an entry in the battery stat tables for each percentage of remaining battery charge, in increments of 1%. So, the table contains entries 100%, 99%,... down to 1%. Associated with each percent of remaining charge entry in the table is a battery terminal voltage and a timestamp. Unfortunately, the smart phone cannot measure actual remaining battery charge. All the system knows is a series of battery terminal voltage measurement taken at even periodic intervals. The algorithm builds the battery stat table to relate each measured voltage to a corresponding “percentage of remaining charge” entry in the table. In normal operation, the system accumulates these measurements over several charge/discharge cycles and analyzes the rates of changes of voltages to refine the discharge curve. After several charge/discharge cycles the percentages, which are displayed on the screen as a battery indicator, become more refined and accurate.
At some point someone apparently thought that it would be a good idea to attempt to manipulate the process of building the battery stat tables. This resulted in the so-called "conditioning procedure." The conditioning procedure consists of fully charging the battery, then deleting the battery stats, and then draining the battery quickly and completely using heavy loads, perhaps in 1 to 2 hours.
What this accomplishes is that the battery stat mechanism builds a new, steep discharge curve based upon the rapid discharge operation. This crude, initial discharge curve has "learned" that the battery should discharge quickly, because it did so during its "training” discharge. More specifically, each "percentage discharge" entry for the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the discharge curve (corresponding to the first 50-75 table entries) will be associated with an abnormally lower voltage (due to the faster rate of decrease in voltage during the "training" discharge cycle) than would be the case if the table had been built normally, over time.
Now, let us think about what happens during the subsequent discharge cycle. We charge the battery to full. Now we begin to use the phone normally, discharging the unit over a period of 12-18 hours, for example. Now the phone experiences a slower rate of change of battery voltage over time, because the load is much lower than that of the forced "training" discharge. Now the algorithm measures a voltage and then attempts to map that voltage to a corresponding percentage discharge table entry. The result is that the battery indicator on the phone shows a very low rate of discharge over many hours. This leads people to erroneously conclude that the "battery conditioning" procedure results in improved battery life. However, this is merely an illusion. The battery indicator is, at this point, simply displaying an incorrect number for the remaining battery life. As a consequence, the battery indicator must "catch up with reality" later in the discharge cycle. This is manifested toward the end of the discharge cycle as the battery indicator drops precipitously from perhaps 35% to zero in a very small amount of time. In any case, fortunately, the weirdness done by "battery conditioning" goes away within a few days as the battery stat algorithm tunes the discharge curve each discharge cycle to bring it ever further in line with the actual average usage of the phone owner. It is a myth that the battery stats become inaccurate over time. To the contrary, the algorithm continuously tunes the tables based upon usage patterns so that the battery indicator becomes more and more accurate.
I do not know where this practice originated, but I do have a cynical hypothesis. The ROM cookers typically mix-and-match code elements from different software releases and otherwise change up the timing, sequencing, etc. of various processes. Doing so may have battery life consequences, because the resulting mish-mash of components may hinder or prevent sleep mode operation, cause processes to run for more time than they should, etc. You can see how "battery conditioning" could mask an acute battery performance problem during the first few hours after a person has flashed a ROM and is watching performance characteristics especially closely. ‘Nuf said on this subject.
Sample battery discharge chart and accompanying notes attached below.
soltheman said:
Hey everyone,
I'm kind of a noob when it comes to all things XDA (but I'm learning.) Anyways, I was wondering what kind of battery life you all get from the different ROMs you've flashed.
So far I've only flashed Nero, Bionix, and Flagship. I had pretty good battery life from Nero, but I was wondering what kind of battery life that you've experienced with other ROMs like Axura and Trigger (because with Bionix and Flagship, my battery life has been fugazi.)
Thanks in advance, y'all.
Sorry if this topic comes up often.
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Tutorial for tuning system to increase battery life here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823025&page=4
xriderx66 said:
With axura my battery lasts 16 hours with possibly 600+ texts and youtube alot music about 1 hour a few phone calls alot of web.
I only need it to last 12 hours because I charge overnight so I'm good.
I reconditioned too btw
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600 texts in 16 hours is nearly 38 texts an hour, 4,200 texts a week, 18,000 texts every month. WTFBBQ?
hi can send me via pm callibrated batterystats.bin? big thanx
It makes no sense to use the battery stat of someone else.
The reason for a dynamic battery stat is, that every battery is a bit different. Also the different usage of phones leads to different battery stats.
You will probably not damage your battery, as it has its charge and empty limits independend from the battery stats.
So there is no difference from full charged to empty battery by changing the battery stats. The shown graph, how it drains is a bit different.
If you feel, that your battery drains too fast, check your configuration.
Cpu spy is a good indicator, how much the cpu drains.
Lower display brightness.
Use 3g instead of hsdpa.
Disable all background synchronizations.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.nema.batterycalibration i think works ok
Here is a puzzle. Overall problem statement is that when the battery level is below 40%, the battery drains quickly with minimum wakelocks. In other words, the phone does not "deep sleep" when battery percentage is below 40%.
My definition of "deep sleep" is battery drain slows to less than 1%/hr and this is usually shown in the battery graph as a near horizontal line.
Phone: Samsung i337m (Telus)
ROM: Kitkat 4.4.2 NE1 Odin flash firmware, so everything is NE1.
Other info: Towelrooted, Xposed Framework installed
Below is a screenshot dump of the battery info, BBS, and Wakelock Detector (WLD).
Observe that BBS and WLD are logging since last unplugged at ~1.5 hrs ago. So when you look at the battery info screenshot, please take into account the last 1.5 hr time on the right hand side only. If you look carefully, there isn't too many wakelocks. This is confirmed by BBS and WLD.
Only exception is in the last SS in WLD showing NILS program keeping the screen on for 8 min & 32 sec, which doesn't really make sense.
Check out the last SS for the Poor Battery Drain batch to show that battery drain is much higher at 1.2%/hr over a 7 hour period. This is compared to 0.7%/hr over a similar 7 hour period. The only difference is the starting battery level.
Good Battery Drain SS posted for comparison purposes and to illustrate my point
Based on the above, my only theory is that the battery calibration is off such that below 40% the battery has drained much more than indicated....
Any other ideas or suggestions to fix this problem?
Poor Battery Drain
Good Battery Drain
My battery drains so fast and in battery settings sum of the used battery percent is 31% and i have 22% remaining !!! I think something is wrong here shouldnt it be 100% ?
It is very similar to my situation.
I'm using the app called "Force Doze".
My battery performance improved a little bit.
Why not try Brevent in google without root ?