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An f2.0 lens and 13 megapixel camera with optical image stabilization capture great photos in daylight and low light. Using advanced computational photography technology and HDR+, the pre-installed Google Camera does the heavy lifting so you can effortlessly take great photos.
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Luckily it doesn't seem to be the same camera found on the Moto X (2014). Different sensor perhaps?
Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
lookitzjohnny said:
Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Which one is better?
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Which one is better?
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
It's super interesting to me that the front-facing camera has 1.4um pixel size vs the 1.12um.. even smaller than the Nexus 5's. I guess they prioritized good low-lighting shots for selfies not photos.
The hardware seems to be there. Google just needs to develop the software to take advantage of the hardware. Heck, even the Nexus 5 has decent camera hardware.. The software is where it was lacking.
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Moto X 2nd gen has the Sony IMX135
Nexus 6 has the Sony IMX214 (same as oneplus)
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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Where did you find this info? For the Nexus 6?
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http://www.motorola.com/us/Nexus-6/nexus-6-motorola-us.html
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http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/new_pro/april_2014/imx214_e.html
214. The OnePlus One can take some great pictures. The N6 should be similar if not equal but I am concerned that the camera app won't take full advantage of what that sensor can do. Hopefully it will.
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The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
cb474 said:
The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is a 1/3 sensor, like all other sensors out their in flagship phones these days. There is only so much you can do with a 1/3 sensor. So it will be fine, but nothing special. 1/3 sensors first debuted in phones, in 2006 with the Nokia N93 (at the time an advance over the 1/4 sensors). So this is eight year old tehnology. And yet it is the status quo in today's phones.
The only notable exception, I know of, is the Galaxy S5 that has a 1/2.5 sensor (and also the Xperia Z3 I think). The S5 takes pretty good photos. Nothing else is going to be as good as the S5. I promise the Nexus 6 will not hold a candle to the S5. The Z3 is not so good as the S5 for somewhat inexplicable reasons; I don't know why Sony can't get their act together, despite being the supplier of sensors to so many other companies, but the cameras in their recent phones have consistently underperformed.
And of course there is the Nokia 1020 with a huge 1/1.5 sensor and the Nokia 808 with and even huger 1/1.2 sensor, that's phsically five times larger than a 1/3 sensor. Those are great camera phones. But you have to sacrifice thinness to have sensors like that. Then there's the four year old Nokia N8 with a 1/1.8 sensor that still eclipses todays best of the best. And even the five year old Nokia N86 has a 1/2.5 sensor that takes as good photos as any phone today, including the S5.
Physical sensor size (not megapixels) matters because it allows the camera to take in more light, render colors better, have less noise, and perform better in low light. Everything else is pretty much gimmicks and fiddling around the edges (except OIS is a nice feature, I think--and resolution and frame rates for video has gotten better--though 4K seems like a stupid exercise when no one has a computer screen or television that can render that level of resolution).
Anyway, so the Nexus 6 has just another medicore 1/3 sensor that will take fine snapshots. Mainly it is an advance over previous Nexus phones that had subpar cameras, but other than that it is just catching up to the mediocre pack of today's flagship pones. If you want the best camera in a normal phone, get an S5. If you want a truly great camera and can stand Windows Phone or the defunct Symbian OS, get a Nokia 1020 or Nokia 808. Everything else is just whatever.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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msal said:
Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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It should be, if it is using the same sensor as s5. On top of that, it is using OIS. The Note 4 should be the new benchmark in terms of camera quality for Android
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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Isn't the Note 4 better than the S5 in terms of camera performance?
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I'm not into phablets, so I don't know much about the Note 4. It looks like it has a Sony IMX240 sesnor, with a 1/2.6 sensor, so slightly smaller than the 1/2.5 sensor in the S5. It does have OIS though, which should help with longer exposures in low light. The S5 has an "Isocell" sensor, which is supposed to have barriers between pixels that helps improve color accuracy and sharpness (see: http://connect.dpreview.com/post/0315472077/samsung-explains-the-galaxy-s5-isocell-sensor). I know the S5 has atypically good color accuracy for a phone, though part of that is a choice on Samsungs part not to favor in the post-processing the oversaturated colors that many people like (i.e. that many people mistake for better photos--people often find more accurate colors to look washed out). Anyway, since Samsung usually does a good job in their flagships, I would not be surprised if the Note 4 is comparable or slightly better than the S5. But it's going to be minor differences, I think.
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This was very informative. This really relieves me of not being so down about not having the imx214 in the Moto X 2014
Also, hello again. I've seen you before in the Moto X 2014 forums lol
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Yes, the new Nexus phone and the 2nd Gen. Moto X are the two phones I'm looking at to replace my Nexus 4, so I've been hanging around both forums. For the moment I'm just trying to get over my raging disappointment that the Nexus 6 really is a huge 6" phablet. Sigh. It does have some nice upgrades over the 2nd Gen. Moto X, I think. (Though if it lacks the four microphone noise cancellation in the Moto X, that's a deal killer for me--I haven't been able to confirm anything about this yet.)
I wouldn't worry about the different sensors in the phones much. They're both fine and more or less in the same ballpark of quality, as 1/3 sensors. OIS on the Nexus 6 is nice and should help with low light photography (and video), that's the biggest difference, depending how important that is to you. In good light, I doubt you'd see much difference between the cameras. For just general snapshots of friends and things like that, I think all these phones are fine.
As I said above, I think people make way too big a deal of the differences between cameras in current flagships. Handset makers try to make a big deal out of small differences, for the sake of competition, because they can't acknowledge the truth that they've all just decided the eight year old technology of 1/3 sensors is good enough and they'd rather make super thin phones. If you're the sort of person who's really going to get into the small differences between one flagship with a 1/3 sensor and another, then you're probably the sort of person that would appreciate an S5 more, because of it's 1/2.5 sensor, and you're probably the sort of person will to take the Windows Phone plunge so you can get the truly amazing Nokia 1020 with it's 1/1.5 sensor and many other advantages (mechanical shutter, OIS, Xenon flash, pixel binning for over sampling, lossless digital zooming).
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What about this camera compared to the LG G3? My G3 takes the best photos I've ever had from a phone. The megapixel count is the same between the two, but it has a Sony IMX135.. and it has that laser autofocus which is pretty nice for fast shots.
Also, what about the N6 being f2.0 aperture over the typical 2.2 or 2.4?
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The LG G3 has the same IMX135 sensor as the 2nd Gen Moto X, but also has OIS. It's prefectly good, but still yet another 1/3 sensor. It's the same sensor in the LG G2, the Note 3, the Galaxy S4, and a bazillion other phones, so it shouldn't be meaningfully different from any of them, except for the potential low light advantage of OIS. (Check this out to see just how many phones have Sony sensors in them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exmor).
That being said OIS is not a miracle cure for smaller sensors. Neither is the f2.0 aperature on the Nexus 6. They're nice features, but you can only do so much with a smaller 1/3 sensor. Again, these are all ways manufacturers are trying to fiddle around to make the best out of mediocre sensors. The S5 and even the five year old Nokia N86 with 1/2.5 sensors will do almost as well in low light as a phone with OIS (I think the f2.0 will make less of a difference than OIS). And, again, the huge 1/1.8, 1/1.5, 1/1.2 sensors in the Nokia N8, 1020, and 808 (respectively) are going to way out perform a 1/3 sensor with OIS in low light (as well as in every other situation)--and of course the 1020 also has OIS, on top of a huge sensor.
At this point, I don't really know why all flaghips don't have OIS. It has some benefits. And it's stupid to have to choose between a mediocre 1/3 sensor with OIS and a larger 1/2.5 sensor without OIS. It's like two different choices of how to shoot yourself in the foot.
All that to say, I still think these are all pretty minor differences between phones with more or less similar image making capabilities. I wouldn't choose between the LG G3, Moto X, or Nexus 6 for the camera. I might (might) choose the S5 for the camera, but I hate Samsung phones, so I really wouldn't ever get an S5. If the camera really was the main issue to me, I'd get a Nokia 1020 and enter the wonderful world of Windows Phone (which I think is under rated as an interface anyway). But that's really for the serious photographers.
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A final word to the wise. Take the reviews of phone cameras you see online with a huge grain of salt. There are very few sites that do a good job and know what they are talking about. Most site reviewers are essentially amature photographers, making incredibly subjective judgments about images, with no real knowledge of how to take photos in a way that allow for good comparisons, and overplay the differences between today's phones (since they get the phones for free to review, they also have huge conflicts of interest and will mostly avoid saying anything too negative--like acknowledging that the differences between these phones a relatively minor). Dpreview.com is probably the best site I know of.
Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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Great read dude. I've owned several Samsung's and nexus phones. None could take the quality pics my HTC DNA could. Would that be software related? I loved that damn phone.
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I'm not especially familiar with the DNA and can't find any information about its sensor, although it appears to have a decent f2.0 aperature. Seems like it had the same sensor as the HTC One X, which was a 1/3.2 backside illuminated CMOS sensor. Reviews seem to find that the HTC One, with it's ultrapixels, took better (more color accurate) photos.
Perhaps there was just something about how the DNA did post-processing on the images that you subjectively liked better.
This is a good example of how sensors have stayed in the 1/3 ballpark for a long time and an older phone can be just as good as today's "flagships," which is basically the point I've been making.
I think the Nexus 5 that your signature says you have (like the Nexus 4 before it) has as somewhat subpar camera by the current standards. So it's understandable that coming from the DNA you could be having a worse experience--though the Nexus 5 has a similar 1/3.2 sensor and OIS. The Nexus 6, if you're' in the market for one, ought to be a decent improvement over the Nexus 5 and better than the DNA. Especially since the Nexus 6 has OIS, on top of a newer and slightly larger 1/3.06 sensor. But, still, I think they are all in the same general range as cameras.
What's with the 30 fps stat listed on the google and moto specific pages... Up to 4k recording but no slow motion capture. I thought the OPO does slo mo.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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Because the stupid invite system ...you still can't get the freaking phone ....
One + is not available for Verizon as far as I know, or I would consider it.
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So if both the one + and the nexus 6 have the same camera, would the difference be night shots with flash?
I don't really know how software will play in, but I hope that the nexus 6 is more crisp than moto x. Hard to decide between this or an One+.
I also wonder why the people that are disappointed with the nexus 6's price and/or screen size don't get a one + instead.
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From a hardware point of view, the main difference will be that the Nexus 6 has OIS (optical image stabilization) and the OnePlus One does not. This should improve photography in low light, allowing for longer exposures. And it will allow for more fluid and stable video, when moving the camera and shooting at the same time. The OnePlus One does have digital image stablization, which OnePlus made a big deal about, but digital image stablization sucks and reviews of the OnePlus One demonstrated this, as if it really needed to be demonstrated yet again on another device.
There could be software differences, in terms of how the phones post-process the images. The OnePlus One, like many phones, produces over-saturated colors, because people tend to like that better (they see the bright colors and think it is a better photo, even though it is an inaccurate representation of the colors in the actual scene). I wouldn't hold my breath for Google choosing to do something different, however. Over-saturated colors are pretty much the norm, not many phones go for more realistic colors. Also, phones sometimes vary on how much sharpening they apply in post processing. Again, sharpening creates the superficial appearance of a sharper image, but actually eliminates detail in the photo, if you zoom way in. Of course, these are things that can be corrected later with image editing software, if you care.
We'll really have to wait for reviews on high quality sites, like Dpreview, before we know if the Nexus 6 and OnePlus One vary at all in how they do post-processing.
Ok, so i love Motorola as a company, despite the recent hate (which is not justified in my opinion), i love all their products and i think they are great. I owned a Moto G 1st gen and bought the Moto G 2nd gen right after the launch and loving it even more after Android L update, so i have a wish list for the next gen
If they want to dominate the mid range phone segment and make a killer smartphone i would recommend the next wish list, i don't know if it is possible for the price, so here it is:
Display: 5” - 5.5" full HD IPS 1080 x 1920 pixels
Processor: Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ 615 octa-core chipset (MSM8939) 64-bit
GPU: Adreno 405
RAM: 2 GB A MUST!
Storage: 16GB, microSD card slot, up to 64GB
Camera: 8 Megapixel Rear Camera, 2MP Front Camera
Battery: 2700 mAh
Software: Android L or latest
Dual front facing speakers
And all the conectivity, GPS, microUSB 2.0, Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth etc.
For the same price! Or max 200$
What do you guys think? Is it possible?
You are pretty much describing the Moto X, but at the price of a Moto G.
I'd say 5-5,2", 720p screen, Snapdragon 410, LTE , 16GB ROM, 2GB RAM, camera stabilizer, microSD, 2700 mAh battery. So the same thing with a bit of an improvement in the processor, LTE, more RAM, more battery and stabilization for the camera; exactly what the Moto G 2nd Gen lacks of.
Just more RAM - 2 GB would be the best possible improvement. With the other specifications I am ok actually.
I only add more RAM and 64bits processor
And LTE By default for all models
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2GB Ram
Snapdragon 615
LTE
Adreno 405
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That would keep it competitive with newer mid-range phones coming out.
Keep the screen the same. Camera could use some improvement, but I don't want a bump in price, so I could do without that. I don't even mind 8GB internal since it has an SD slot.
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You are pretty much describing the Moto X, but at the price of a Moto G.
I'd say 5-5,2", 720p screen, Snapdragon 410, LTE , 16GB ROM, 2GB RAM, camera stabilizer, microSD, 2700 mAh battery. So the same thing with a bit of an improvement in the processor, LTE, more RAM, more battery and stabilization for the camera; exactly what the Moto G 2nd Gen lacks of.
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Moto x 2nd gen has a snapdragon 801 32-bit processor and a amoled display where are they the same? Please point the similarities here is the spec list of the X 2nd gen http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_x_(2014)-6649.php
Well, I meant "a" Moto X. I just don't see it happening for 179-200$ and those specs are high-end, so if you wanted something similar you should be looking for a Moto X. It'd cost you, but you aren't getting this at that price.
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Well, I meant "a" Moto X. I just don't see it happening for 179-200$ and those specs are high-end, so if you wanted something similar you should be looking for a Moto X. It'd cost you, but you aren't getting this at that price.
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The price for those components will drop by the end of the year when the Moto G 2015 wil come out, look at this phones, and you will see it is possible Zenfone 2 http://www.androidauthority.com/asus-zenfone-2-hands-first-impressions-579187/ 200$ for the base model, ZTE Blade S6 $250 and you get Lollipop, Snapdragon 615, LTE, and a 13MP camera http://www.androidauthority.com/zte-blade-s6-price-specs-features-583086/
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Well, I meant "a" Moto X. I just don't see it happening for 179-200$ and those specs are high-end, so if you wanted something similar you should be looking for a Moto X. It'd cost you, but you aren't getting this at that price.
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Those really aren't high end specs in 2015, that's similar to what the next crop of already announced midrange phones is offering. Component are getting cheaper and the mid-range market is more competitive now than when the first Moto G came out.
An OLED FHD display would be nice, especially for the night mode so the smartphone can finally be used as a suitable nighstand alarm clock without that awful background light all the current smartphones are emitting... !!!
Other than the above:
64bit 4/8 core CPU
2GB of LPDDR4 RAM
16GB ROM
Gorilla Glass 4
Replaceable 3200 mAh Li-ion or Supercapacitor
8-12 Mp Camera with stabilization and depth sensor
2-5 Mp Front facing camera
5"-5.1" FHD OLED display
Better stereo front speakers
And maybe a little less plastic for the housing
My wishlist would be basically slightly upgraded Moto G LTE
4.5" screen
2Gb ram
Larger battery
Better camera
8GB ROM with microSD slot.
Wireless charging.
Sidenote, I'm not convinced that Moto G needs to over 5" screensize because one of it's strongest selling points aside from clean OS is that there are very few options in it's size group unless you go for used and/or older models. For example, Samsung's compact models are really underwhelming while Sony's offerings are very expensive, then you have random budget-brands which I wouldn't touch even with a 10-foot pole. LG has couple models that are pretty close, but display resolution is disappointing.
if thats what the 2015 moto g is going to have, im leaving the flagship, sorry, this is my choice
As per the specs u want be ready to pay heavily as u have described a Moto gen X 2
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And by considering the specs suggested by some members i think it will beat the price of Nexus 6 or Moto X 2 . lol
Of course I'm talking about the Moto x 3rd Gen.I honestly can't wait. I feel like a little kid waiting to open Christmas presents. I seen the leaked render of this device just a little bit ago, It looks great. The picture was pixelated and blurry but you could see the jest of it. The camera, flash and dimple are all lined up in this rounded-rectangle strip on metal on the back. It looks very premium, the front of the phone just simply looks like a streamlined flat AMOLED panel with 2 front facing speakers (at least that's what is seems to be). I guarantee all Moto users are going to be proud of this device. like come 'on 4GB on RAM! and look at that chipset and pixel density. This is going to be a gift from the higher up.
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Rumored specs:
Display
Type: AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size: 5.2 inches
Resolution: 1440 x 2560 pixels (~565 ppi pixel density)
Multitouch: Yes
Protection: Corning Gorilla Glass 3
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Platform
OS: Android OS, v5.1.1 (Lollipop)
Chipset: Qualcomm MSM8992 Snapdragon 808
CPU: Dual-core 1.8 GHz Cortex-A57 & quad-core 1.44 GHz Cortex-A53
GPU: Adreno 418
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Memory
Card slot: No
Internal: 32/64 GB, 4 GB RAM
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Camera
Primary: 16 MP, 5312 x 2988 pixels, autofocus, optical image stabilization, dual-LED flash
Features: Geo-tagging, touch focus, face detection, panorama, HDR
Video: [email protected], [email protected], HDR
Secondary: 5 MP, 1080p
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Sound
Alert types Vibration; MP3, WAV ringtones
Loudspeaker Yes
3.5mm jack Yes
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Comms
WLAN Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac, dual-band, DLNA, hotspot
Bluetooth: v4.1, A2DP, EDR, LE
GPS: Yes, with A-GPS, GLONASS
NFC: Yes
Radio: No
USB: micro USB v2.0, USB Host
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Features
Sensors: Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature
Messaging: SMS(threaded view), MMS, Email, Push Email, IM
Browser: HTML5
Java: No
- Fast battery charging: 60% in 30 min (Quick Charge 2.0)
- Active noise cancellation with dedicated mic
- MP3/AAC+/WAV/WMA player
- MP4/H.264/WMV player
- Photo/video editor
- Document viewer
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Battery
Non-removable Li-Ion 3280 mAh battery
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I wonder why isnt anyone else excited for this...i know i am...!!! Cant wait... goodbye s6! Its either the 3rd gen moto or nexus 5 2nd gen
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Not that much. I'm waiting for next nexus instead like every year. I hope they lower the size of display.
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Not that much. I'm waiting for next nexus instead like every year. I hope they lower the size of display.
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Same. I am more intrigued with the Nexus because of Google I/O:
1. I am certain a fingerprint scanner will be included
2. USB type C. Now that is something to be happy about
3. OIS and all that camera stuff will be in the next Nexus
4. Wireless charging & fast charging. Both of best worlds
5. Having the latest Android OS version. Android M is going to be awesome, I want it. I will consider buying a Nexus this year if rumors of an LG one is correct (or Huawei), depending on price
6. A lot of the specs will be the same as the first post
not enough of an upgrade to get me to buy day one. maybe after the price drop.
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Same. I am more intrigued with the Nexus because of Google I/O:
1. I am certain a fingerprint scanner will be included
2. USB type C. Now that is something to be happy about
3. OIS and all that camera stuff will be in the next Nexus
4. Wireless charging & fast charging. Both of best worlds
5. Having the latest Android OS version. Android M is going to be awesome, I want it. I will consider buying a Nexus this year if rumors of an LG one is correct (or Huawei), depending on price
6. A lot of the specs will be the same as the first post
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Yes, I'm also interested in what Nexus is going to put out this year. I know that's its going to have an outstanding spec sheet, It always does. That fingerprint scanner would be nice, unfortunely i don't think the new Moto X will have it but you never know. It's more than likely that the new Moto X will be guaranteed updates after it's intial release. Hopefully Motorola improves the camera, OIS would be great and they need to work on getting consietent high quality photos. Image processing needs to be improved also. I tryed the Nexus 6 for about a month and it was perfectly fine in preformance but it's too large. I think the next Nexus smartphone should have a 5.5 inch display at most. Wireless charging & fast charging im sure will be in the new Moto X. LG or Huawei huh? Both are great cmpanies. LG with its G4 and Huawei with its P8. My vote is on Huawei. I also seen the new Moto G rumored specs. 2GB of RAM, larger battery, higher MP count, 16GB base model, same 5 inch screen but in 1080p this time around, Better chipset and more. It amazes me how fast technology is evolving, if the new Moto G would of came out last year it could sure contend with some flagship smartphones.
The only thing that stands out for me is the 1080p video capture at 120fps (slow mo). Not really enough for me to want the new Moto X. I'll most likely wait for the price to be dropped before biting the bullet.
In regards to the new Nexus, I'll never buy a Nexus phone again after owning the Nexus 4 and 5 - awfully bad call quality issues and a lack of acknowledgement from Google (poor support). Nexus 6 was just stupid with it's almost 6" display lol. Probably get laughed at trying to hold that thing against my ear!! Anyway I don't think I can do without Moto Voice, it's too good!
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Not that much. I'm waiting for next nexus instead like every year. I hope they lower the size of display.
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Yeah, me too. The only reason I jumped to Moto X 2014 is because of Nexus 6 size. Previously I've always used the Nexus line.
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The only thing that stands out for me is the 1080p video capture at 120fps (slow mo). Not really enough for me to want the new Moto X. I'll most likely wait for the price to be dropped before biting the bullet.
In regards to the new Nexus, I'll never buy a Nexus phone again after owning the Nexus 4 and 5 - awfully bad call quality issues and a lack of acknowledgement from Google (poor support). Nexus 6 was just stupid with it's almost 6" display lol. Probably get laughed at trying to hold that thing against my ear!! Anyway I don't think I can do without Moto Voice, it's too good!
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Yeah, the 1080p 120fps slow mo will be great im sure of it. The specs that didn't exaclty stand out but were a little unexpected were the battery life & the RAM. I wasn't expeting such a leep in battery capacity to go from 2300 to 3280 mAh is awesome, that almost a 1000 mAh gain. I was expecting something in the ballpark between 2600-2900 mAh which is still good depending on the display and hardware. I was expecting 3GB of RAM for some reason. Maybe it's becuase the Moto X has always seemed to be 1GB of RAM lower than other flagships that came out during the same time. I guess Motorola is stepping up. As far as the expected changes and improvements i knew that Motorola would improve: the camera, chipset and display resolution. It's kinda unfortunate that the new Moto X will most likely not have expandable storage but at least the got rid of the 16GB variant. I am also gonna wait for a price drop, maybe around christmas or so and yes Moto Voice is beyond helpful, i love it. I think that's the dominant reason why i would choose the Moto X 2014 over the Nexus 6, well that and size of course.
I really hope that the MotoX 3rd Gen will have two models, one as large as the Nexus 6 or MotoX Pro (China). I really loved the MotoX and Nexus 6 and own both, but the Nexus 6 without Moto Display is disappointing. I've considered buying one from China, but I don't know if Google services can be installed afterwards. Anyhow, Motorola is about to grace us with a new device so its smarter to wait it out.
If any if these rumors are true, I'll be a happy camper.
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I wasn't expeting such a leep in battery capacity to go from 2300 to 3280 mAh is awesome, that almost a 1000 mAh gain. I was expecting something in the ballpark between 2600-2900 mAh which is still good depending on the display and hardware. I was expecting 3GB of RAM for some reason. Maybe it's becuase the Moto X has always seemed to be 1GB of RAM lower than other flagships that came out during the same time. I guess Motorola is stepping up.
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Oh I forgot about the bigger battery. That'll be my other reason to want to switch but not straight away, probably when the price drops.
I don't really care about 4GB RAM at all. I think 2GB is more than enough for what most people would do on a smartphone. I've never ever felt like the RAM capacity is slowing me down or anything.
Hi. I'm on the hunt for my a new phone to replace my ageing Galaxy S5 Neo. I chose these two phones as they are within my budget and on the same price range.
Am i correct in saying the Helio P20 is better than the Snapdragon 625 in terms of battery life and a more "balanced" performance?
Does the speakers on the XA1 be sufficient enough on a London bus or a partly crowded high street?
Is it true the XA1's camera came from or derived from the older Z5 but with slightly better optics & optimization?
And would you guys (still) think Sony is better in terms of pushing updates especially monthly security updates, bug fixes, etc.?
Would love to hear your thoughts & advice please.
For screen and battery g5+. Camera overall and build sony.. i personally like the g5+, + it has a fp scanner and fhd screen and it shows the difference but processing whise Sony's p20 is better.. games are better on g5 bcz of the adreno. And the g5 supports 5ghz wifi but he sony has the better build.. i'm in the same dilemma and i think I'll opt for the g5 (non+) bcz of fp scanner and fhd . Daily use is the same in terms of processing and the camera well.. i can do with 13. And the 12 on the 5+is on par with sony. Updates are better on moto and more often and sooner. Speakers ar low on both but still enough. Hope it helps.
Are you certain Moto has faster updates? Ever since Lenovo took over the updates have become very slow & scarce. And that's the truth. Ask anyone and they will tell you.
I'm also concerned with the G5 Plus not having USB Type-C, No waterproofing, No any form of image stabilisation on camera and no Cat-6 4G LTE speeds. Obviously the first three maybe because of money-saving exercise or perhaps backward thinking as well?
Hi there.
I'm currently stuck in choosing between the Xperia X, the iPhone 6S & the Moto G5 Plus.
In terms of camera quality, no processor overheating + a balanced performance and battery life which one would you guys choose?
Which one also has a louder speaker than the other?
And which one has a camera lens that doesn't scratch easily?
iphone6s price wise very expensive - low ram / single sim / no sdcard
MotoG5, very good speakers, good performance, overheats, battery drain high over 4g, nice stockrom to enjoy daily interactions/ snapdragon430
XperiaX, low speaker volume, very good performance, never lags, overheats sometimes, moderate batter drains over 4g. powerful stockrom offers amazing features / snapdragon650
So, I take of the three the Xperia X offers a fine balance of everything?
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So, I take of the three the Xperia X offers a fine balance of everything?
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I would give the answer in a diplomatic way!
If today as Xperia X user i am given a choice to buy between the 3 devices you asked.
I would buy Sony X again!
with all its other flaws , X looks amazing in hand the screen is pure and vibrant that in night the icons seems like floating. touch sensor is highly sensitive and unlocks even before my thumb touches the powerbutton. the camera is amazing!
Even if the battery of the Xperia X is so-so?
I have the G5 Plus and the X.
The X has better camera (mostly due to OIS).
The X also has a better screen.
The X has more sensors, however the g5+ has fewer senors but it uses them better (moto actions and gestures).
The X looks better than the g5+
The G5+ has a better fingerprint scanner (but both are good).
The G5+ has fingerprint scanner gestures for navigation.
The battery life on G5+ is better. The G5+ does not over heat at all.
The G5+ is smoother than the X (overall performance) but both are pretty smooth.
G5+ camera probably scratches easier (so use a case)
G5+ speakers are louder (and headphone jack louder)
If you want a premium experience (almost flagship) you might want to go for the X.
If you are a social media junky, then you might need long battery life and should go for the g5+ (3gig or 4gig model).
Both phones are fantastic.
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Hi there.
I'm currently stuck in choosing between the Xperia X, the iPhone 6S & the Moto G5 Plus.
In terms of camera quality, no processor overheating + a balanced performance and battery life which one would you guys choose?
Which one also has a louder speaker than the other?
And which one has a camera lens that doesn't scratch easily?
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I guess you already have made up your mind, but here is my addition: The xperia x's speakers aren't of high volume, (you can't hear well if the place has lots of people or noise) but for a phone's speaker (dual-tone btw) I love how it sounds. Though, in order to get the most out of it it obviously needs to be placed on a flat surface. After quite some time, the lens haven't got a single scratch. The only complaints I have for the XX is the paint around the phone (where the buttons are). I'm not a wreckless user and it has a couple of marks (paint woren off). The screen is also a bit more scratch-prone than you would expect, get it a screen protector
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I have the G5 Plus and the X.
The X has better camera (mostly due to OIS).
The X also has a better screen.
The X has more sensors, however the g5+ has fewer senors but it uses them better (moto actions and gestures).
The X looks better than the g5+
The G5+ has a better fingerprint scanner (but both are good).
The G5+ has fingerprint scanner gestures for navigation.
The battery life on G5+ is better. The G5+ does not over heat at all.
The G5+ is smoother than the X (overall performance) but both are pretty smooth.
G5+ camera probably scratches easier (so use a case)
G5+ speakers are louder (and headphone jack louder)
If you want a premium experience (almost flagship) you might want to go for the X.
If you are a social media junky, then you might need long battery life and should go for the g5+ (3gig or 4gig model).
Both phones are fantastic.
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Have seen reviews of the G5 Plus and they all seem to have common themes:
Photos seem a bit bland & poor low-light photos
Multitasking & app loading is near abysmal as apps load constantly and doesn't load quick enough
True?
Photos are definitely not bland... I'll take a couple with both phones and post here for comparison. That said, Ive been pleased with the pictures the G5+ takes. Apps load very quickly on both phones, and if you get the 3/4 Gig version they stay in memory. The G5+ is a very very snappy phone.
I haven't had the x for long. This is just my general opinion. The general feel for the G5 + is that it is the best midrange phone, and I can say I agree with this statement. Anyway, photos to come.
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Photos are definitely not bland... I'll take a couple with both phones and post here for comparison. That said, Ive been pleased with the pictures the G5+ takes. Apps load very quickly on both phones, and if you get the 3/4 Gig version they stay in memory. The G5+ is a very very snappy phone.
I haven't had the x for long. This is just my general opinion. The general feel for the G5 + is that it is the best midrange phone, and I can say I agree with this statement. Anyway, photos to come.
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Will await for the photos.
So, 9 out of 10 written reviews and video reviews are either liars, trolls or paid to give negative reviews?
I need evidence photos taken in good light (outdoor), indoors (natural or artificial), low-light & night shots are better than the previous gen. I have yet to see a video that has some sort of EIS which again reviewers (& Moto) doesn't say has.
The UK only has the 3GB model and I'm quite concerned that again as per the videos Ive seen apps DO NOT stay in memory and they reload all the time which is a sign of poorly optimised software and poor memory management.
Ill post some photos tonight or tomorrow. Still won't make much of a difference. The X takes better pictures than the Moto G5+.
I know some reviews panned the G5+ for its camera. Others praised it. It is more than sufficient for the price in my opinion. Yes, the rear camera does seem to have EIS, motorola's product web page say it does also. It works OK, the X's works a little better.
Just a realistic run-down:
The G5+ on amazon is selling for 179 pounds . You only have the choice of 16Gigabytes which stinks, but you do get 3gigs of RAM.
Battery life will be better, pictures are sufficient and no its not the best in low light, but it gets the job done. Screen is plenty bright, the device is plenty snappy and Ive personally never seen an app reload. [Disclaimer, 4Gig/64Gig model here]. I'm not a social media junky. Need more internal memory? Buy a quick read/write rated micro sd card and use Nougat's adaptive storage option. A good micro Sd card costs 30 pounds. You don't have the option to do this on the Xperia X (out the box - you can enable it).
The Sony Xperia X is selling for 293 pounds in black -- ( more if you chose the other color options).. That's more than 100 pound premium over the G5+, but you get 32Gig of storage, a better camera, a sleeker package , a better but but smaller screen and a hit on battery life.
Now i wont be able to convince you that the G5+ is a better phone, but for the price and my use it is better. I bought mine for $299. My Xperia X can be had at $250 if I look around enough. The X @ $250 is a fantastic deal. the G5 model I have @ $299 is just as great a deal.\
If camera is the most important go for the X for sure. Just don't expect 4k recording on the X (G5+ can do it).
Sony Xperia X pictures
Moto G5+ pictures
Both Cameras are using auto matic modes, I-Intelligent for Sony, Auto for G5. I just started the camera , pointed it, and hit the shutter button (and or physical button).
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Ill post some photos tonight or tomorrow. Still won't make much of a difference. The X takes better pictures than the Moto G5+.
I know some reviews panned the G5+ for its camera. Others praised it. It is more than sufficient for the price in my opinion. Yes, the rear camera does seem to have EIS, motorola's product web page say it does also. It works OK, the X's works a little better.
Just a realistic run-down:
The G5+ on amazon is selling for 179 pounds . You only have the choice of 16Gigabytes which stinks, but you do get 3gigs of RAM.
Battery life will be better, pictures are sufficient and no its not the best in low light, but it gets the job done. Screen is plenty bright, the device is plenty snappy and Ive personally never seen an app reload. [Disclaimer, 4Gig/64Gig model here]. I'm not a social media junky. Need more internal memory? Buy a quick read/write rated micro sd card and use Nougat's adaptive storage option. A good micro Sd card costs 30 pounds. You don't have the option to do this on the Xperia X (out the box - you can enable it).
The Sony Xperia X is selling for 293 pounds in black -- ( more if you chose the other color options).. That's more than 100 pound premium over the G5+, but you get 32Gig of storage, a better camera, a sleeker package , a better but but smaller screen and a hit on battery life.
Now i wont be able to convince you that the G5+ is a better phone, but for the price and my use it is better. I bought mine for $299. My Xperia X can be had at $250 if I look around enough. The X @ $250 is a fantastic deal. the G5 model I have @ $299 is just as great a deal.\
If camera is the most important go for the X for sure. Just don't expect 4k recording on the X (G5+ can do it).
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what are you talking about? As soon as I got my XX I instantly popped in micro SD without problems.
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what are you talking about? As soon as I got my XX I instantly popped in micro SD without problems.
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You're taking about adding an external micro sd card. I'm taking adding to the internal memory size (where you store actual applications). Both phones support adding external microsd cards. Moto g5+ will let you do adaptive storage. Google: Android adaptive storage
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You're taking about adding an external micro sd card. I'm taking adding to the internal memory size (where you store actual applications). Both phones support adding external microsd cards. Moto g5+ will let you do adaptive storage. Google: Android adaptive storage
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Ohh I see. That's nice. Tho you can do that to your SD card too in XX (Merge it with internal storage) if I remember correctly there was an option for this in settings.
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Both Cameras are using auto matic modes, I-Intelligent for Sony, Auto for G5. I just started the camera , pointed it, and hit the shutter button (and or physical button).
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Hey Cheers for the photos. But if my eyes aren't decieving me the G5+ photos looks slightly better than the Xperia X. Would you agree?
Ptikjp said:
Ill post some photos tonight or tomorrow. Still won't make much of a difference. The X takes better pictures than the Moto G5+.
I know some reviews panned the G5+ for its camera. Others praised it. It is more than sufficient for the price in my opinion. Yes, the rear camera does seem to have EIS, motorola's product web page say it does also. It works OK, the X's works a little better.
Just a realistic run-down:
The G5+ on amazon is selling for 179 pounds . You only have the choice of 16Gigabytes which stinks, but you do get 3gigs of RAM.
Battery life will be better, pictures are sufficient and no its not the best in low light, but it gets the job done. Screen is plenty bright, the device is plenty snappy and Ive personally never seen an app reload. [Disclaimer, 4Gig/64Gig model here]. I'm not a social media junky. Need more internal memory? Buy a quick read/write rated micro sd card and use Nougat's adaptive storage option. A good micro Sd card costs 30 pounds. You don't have the option to do this on the Xperia X (out the box - you can enable it).
The Sony Xperia X is selling for 293 pounds in black -- ( more if you chose the other color options).. That's more than 100 pound premium over the G5+, but you get 32Gig of storage, a better camera, a sleeker package , a better but but smaller screen and a hit on battery life.
Now i wont be able to convince you that the G5+ is a better phone, but for the price and my use it is better. I bought mine for $299. My Xperia X can be had at $250 if I look around enough. The X @ $250 is a fantastic deal. the G5 model I have @ $299 is just as great a deal.\
If camera is the most important go for the X for sure. Just don't expect 4k recording on the X (G5+ can do it).
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If the Xperia X had a bigger screen then I would by it in a heartbeat. I find the 5.2" (or more) to be a sweet spot in terms of holding the phone, screen real estate, etc. But I still can't seem to shake off those other issues of the G5+.
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If the Xperia X had a bigger screen then I would by it in a heartbeat. I find the 5.2" (or more) to be a sweet spot in terms of holding the phone, screen real estate, etc. But I still can't seem to shake off those other issues of the G5+.
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Honestly .2 inches of real-estate isn't that much. The G5+ took some nice pictures indeed, so did the Sony X. I would say the Sony X is a tad more reliable in better pics in first shot. The G5+ will require that you hold the phone still for low light pics which can be problematic, but the shutter speed is more or less the same. Its not Samsung Galaxy low light performance... but it is fine for most people.
Good luck
Gino76ph said:
If the Xperia X had a bigger screen then I would by it in a heartbeat. I find the 5.2" (or more) to be a sweet spot in terms of holding the phone, screen real estate, etc. But I still can't seem to shake off those other issues of the G5+.
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Really, for 0,2 inches? The xperia X is very nice to hold and surprisingly it seems when you are holding it that it isn't only 5 inches. I did compare it to an other ☓peria phone with a bigger screen (5,2 or 5,5?) and honestly the difference was incredibly minor. I wanted to go for bigger too, but this phone has a very appealing size
Balanced choice would be the xperia x, but if you want performance, consistent camera (video and stills), and a good investment you can't go wrong with the 6s; it's a beast (used to own it as my main phone and I still miss it)