So recently there was an article on XDA about finding a Qualcomm app preinstalled that could be used as a backdoor granting root without unlocking the bootloader. It doesn't clarify whether such an app would work on all Qualcomm chipsets (835) since it's shared by various devices. Thoughts?
S0UTHPAWK1LLA said:
So recently there was an article on XDA about finding a Qualcomm app preinstalled that could be used as a backdoor granting root without unlocking the bootloader. It doesn't clarify whether such an app would work on all Qualcomm chipsets (835) since it's shared by various devices. Thoughts?
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I thought it was just on OnePlus devices...
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slaydog said:
I thought it was just on OnePlus devices...
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It was found on a one plus, but if it's a Qualcomm app it's should work on Android in general
Well, you would need the same Qualcomm app software to switch it on, and have to use fastboot to push it to the device. If your goal is to achieve root, you can just push a modified boot image, which is the best way to do it now, to the device. So it would be the same amount of work at best.
I'm definitely not an expert, though...
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That app has to be installed as system. It's useless outside of Oneplus being dumb and leaving it in their image.
slaydog said:
Well, you would need the same Qualcomm app software to switch it on, and have to use fastboot to push it to the device. If your goal is to achieve root, you can just push a modified boot image, which is the best way to do it now, to the device. So it would be the same amount of work at best.
I'm definitely not an expert, though...
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True, but those with VZW pixels whose bootloader can't be unlocked...it seemed plausible. It makes sense though that'd it'd have to be installed as a system app though. But the possibility of root without unlocking.. It came across like finding a 4 leaf clover
S0UTHPAWK1LLA said:
True, but those with VZW pixels whose bootloader can't be unlocked...it seemed plausible. It makes sense though that'd it'd have to be installed as a system app though. But the possibility of root without unlocking.. It came across like finding a 4 leaf clover
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Easier solution, have Verizon replace your device due to burn-in. I did that on Saturday and got my replacement yesterday. Guess what? They sent me a Google Store unlocked device as my replacement.
Nephilim said:
Easier solution, have Verizon replace your device due to burn-in. I did that on Saturday and got my replacement yesterday. Guess what? They sent me a Google Store unlocked device as my replacement.
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There's a thought
Nephilim said:
Easier solution, have Verizon replace your device due to burn-in. I did that on Saturday and got my replacement yesterday. Guess what? They sent me a Google Store unlocked device as my replacement.
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Even better solution... Don't buy a Verizon version. Lol.
antiochasylum said:
Even better solution... Don't buy a Verizon version. Lol.
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Not all of us can afford or want to spend $1000 flatout on a device. I'm on the edge program and just upgrade every 2 years.
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Easier solution, have Verizon replace your device due to burn-in. I did that on Saturday and got my replacement yesterday. Guess what? They sent me a Google Store unlocked device as my replacement.
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Curious is this just coincidence or is this what they are actually expected/told to do?
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Not all of us can afford or want to spend $1000 flatout on a device. I'm on the edge program and just upgrade every 2 years.
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Google store financing...40$ a month.
antiochasylum said:
Google store financing...40$ a month.
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Yes, but I still require a service provider and Verizon is the best in my area. I'll look into it when I graduate my next device though.
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theycallmerayj said:
Curious is this just coincidence or is this what they are actually expected/told to do?
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I don't think either. I think what's happening is due to Google increasing the warranty by a year and by the announcement of burn-in being possible Google might just be directly handling all the surplus on replacement devices personally.
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Yes, but I still require a service provider and Verizon is the best in my area. I'll look into it when I graduate my next device though.
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I don't think either. I think what's happening is due to Google increasing the warranty by a year and by the announcement of burn-in being possible Google might just be directly handling all the surplus on replacement devices personally.
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I have Verizon and I got the Google store version with financing. You can still use your current service provider, or even bring-your-device to whatever carrier FYI.
gettinwicked said:
I have Verizon and I got the Google store version with financing. You can still use your current service provider, or even bring-your-device to whatever carrier FYI.
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I'm well aware I can buy the Google Store version. I was pointing out that since I still need a service provider and already have Verizon and am already enrolled into their Edge Program I grabbed the phone through them.
tw1tch175 said:
That app has to be installed as system. It's useless outside of Oneplus being dumb and leaving it in their image.
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Not just system. PRIVILEGED system, and signed with the vendor key. You can't just copy it on, even if you already have root access to the device, because the platform will reject it unless its been signed by the same private key as the platform.
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I really want the S4 but won't pull the trigger until I can do all 3.
1) Ability to tether for free.
2) Google Wallet
3) Able to root without tripping counter ... And receive official updates..
Is this possible yet?
Thinking of maybe getting the note 2 if we don't get the boot loader unlocked...
Numbers 1 and 3 are right now
Have not seen number 2 yet
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wttisme said:
It's already been released that the bootloader was unlocked but is not being released until the Verizon variant comes out for obvious reasons. It's a great phone rooted out of the box with AT&T crapware gone, so it's your choice: wait a few weeks for development or go ahead and get one that has dev support.
Btw: The number 2 is Verizon for waiting to release the S4 a MONTH after everyone else.
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Forgive my lack of knowledge, but what are the obvious reasons for waiting for the Verizon variant to be released?
pierre3408 said:
Forgive my lack of knowledge, but what are the obvious reasons for waiting for the Verizon variant to be released?
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Here's the Q&A from the person who has already hacked the bootloader:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2259933
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And on the 2st page of that thread:
"Because if he releases the exploit or details now, Verizon can use that information to fix their implementation. It's not guaranteed this approach will work on the Verizon device, but it's FAR less likely if he publishes info on the exploit now. Even this announcement could bode ill for the hopes of Verizon customers - you can guarantee it is going to trigger another round of security review at Samsung and Verizon.
As a result, you're not going to see any detail until then."
Got it. That makes sense..
And thanks for not ripping my ignorance..
I guess I can wait another 2 weeks before I upgrade. No rush until we know for sure we are good to go.
StolenVW said:
Numbers 1 and 3 are right now
Have not seen number 2 yet
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How do i do 3? I didn't realize it tripped counter and used motochopper to root. I was however still able to get an official update.
rexxcastle said:
How do i do 3? I didn't realize it tripped counter and used motochopper to root. I was however still able to get an official update.
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Check out this thread.
pierre3408 said:
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2) Google Wallet
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For working Google Wallet, see this thread in Themes and Apps.
Yes, thanks! I actually saw that earlier today, but don't know if I'm just a dummy, but that confuses the heck out of me.
Don't have clue how to use Xposed framework...
Even the tethering soultion in another thread, still seems complicated...
pierre3408 said:
Yes, thanks! I actually saw that earlier today, but don't know if I'm just a dummy, but that confuses the heck out of me.
Don't have clue how to use Xposed framework...
Even the tethering soultion in another thread, still seems complicated...
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Then maybe you should wait until the unlocked bootloader is released and the S4 has custom recovery, at which time there will probably be a CWM installable zip file for the Google Wallet.
Aou said:
Check out this thread.
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thanks
http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/1...ons-moto-x-incoming-likely-the-camera-update/
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http://www.droid-life.com/2013/10/1...ons-moto-x-incoming-likely-the-camera-update/
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thanks for not making this a "just kidding" post.
Wow, could they actually be listening to grumbling customers??? Or was this just an effort to make sure the phone was good for the release of Moto Maker...
One theory I saw floating around that might have some validity to it is that since Verizon just started to turn on AWS LTE, maybe in addition to the regular bug fixes that other carriers got, Verizon could also have greenlit Motorola to enable the AWS LTE band in the radio?
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One theory I saw floating around that might have some validity to it is that since Verizon just started to turn on AWS LTE, maybe in addition to the regular bug fixes that other carriers got, Verizon could also have greenlit Motorola to enable the AWS LTE band in the radio?
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The Moto X has the hardware to support AWS LTE?
Yup just check the FCC listing, pretty much all phones released in the 2nd half of 2013 support Band 4.
dumb question.... but what does that band mean?
Anyone on here get the email for the soak test?
I got an invite email yesterday. Usually takes about a week for the test to start.
aldouse said:
dumb question.... but what does that band mean?
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It opens up another set of frequencies for data flow. It doesn't mean you'll get more bars but more bandwidth. This can alleviate congestion issues and/or improve speeds.
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shane1 said:
I got an invite email yesterday. Usually takes about a week for the test to start.
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Is there anyway to get an invite if I signed up for MFN after the invites went out?
I signed up after droid life announced the invites were going out and got an invite today
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seanrobot said:
I signed up after droid life announced the invites were going out and got an invite today
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So there is still hope. Thanks.
What are you guys planning on doing? Unrooting? Sounds like the SOAK won't work if we are rooted and have removed a bunch of apps.
km8j said:
What are you guys planning on doing? Unrooting? Sounds like the SOAK won't work if we are rooted and have removed a bunch of apps.
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I was just looking into unroot methods as I'd rather not wipe the device.
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What are you guys planning on doing? Unrooting? Sounds like the SOAK won't work if we are rooted and have removed a bunch of apps.
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Believe it or not, not everyone here is rooted
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BTW, still not too late to get an invite. Signed up yesterday and got one today.
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BTW, still not too late to get an invite. Signed up yesterday and got one today.
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I was just looking into unroot methods as I'd rather not wipe the device.
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did you find any?
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did you find any?
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Nothing yet. I'm not an dev but I could see that depending on the nature of the exploit used unrooting could be challenging, at least, unrooting in a way that everything is restored to the way it was.
monorailmedic said:
Nothing yet. I'm not an dev but I could see that depending on the nature of the exploit used unrooting could be challenging, at least, unrooting in a way that everything is restored to the way it was.
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I don't think there is a way for us VZW ppl to unroot without resetting. The only way i could find was to fastboot flash the stock recovery and system, but the VZW system image is a few MB too big to be pushed through fastboot.
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Though I use a Maxx... fastboot works just fine... Use the fastboot from the fxz and it automatically enables Multi flash and it kinda breaks the file into smaller ones and flashes accordingly... It should work without affecting ur data, but try it at your own risk..
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Looks like AT&T is not being the first to roll out the 4.4.4 update. I'm guessing it will be happening sooner than later.
Here is a list of the updates happening:
Android 4.4.4
HD voice Icon support
International Wi-Fi Calling support
Google Security Patches
Knox 2.0
Kids Mode
I got this from Samsung's website talking about Sprint:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?fm_seq=73981&faq_id=FAQ00057083
I also heard from rumors that they are planning to unlock our bootlooder. I wouldn't put to much weight in that though.
But, Knox 2.0? What is that?
I lost hope on a bootloader unlock
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too late.
i getting NoteEdge next month if she' out.
I don't think bootloader is in the firmware updates if it was I would think it would of been hacked buy now. I'm guessing we need to find a way to flash the bootloader it self
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I'm thinking it's locked down buy hardware
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lawalty said:
I also heard from rumors that they are planning to unlock our bootlooder.
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There's no way that's happening in a million years.
lawalty said:
Looks like AT&T is not being the first to roll out the 4.4.4 update. I'm guessing it will be happening sooner than later.
Here is a list of the updates happening:
Android 4.4.4
HD voice Icon support
International Wi-Fi Calling support
Google Security Patches
Knox 2.0
Kids Mode
I got this from Samsung's website talking about Sprint:
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/SupportOwnersFAQPopup.do?fm_seq=73981&faq_id=FAQ00057083
I also heard from rumors that they are planning to unlock our bootlooder. I wouldn't put to much weight in that though.
But, Knox 2.0? What is that?
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Knox 2.0? The opposite of unlocked bootloader! ?
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I don't think bootloader is in the firmware updates if it was I would think it would of been hacked buy now. I'm guessing we need to find a way to flash the bootloader it self
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I'm thinking it's locked down buy hardware
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Lol! Like if that's ever going to happen! If there was any possible way, wouldn't it be already done?
Ya I guess so I do know this is my last Samsung phone. Looking in to oneplus phones.
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Another thought is, since the new Note 4 is so close to the Note 3, as far as what we can do with it, I really don't see that much of a software update happening.
Think about it. Sammy's main goal is to make more $$ on the new hardware, so why invest more time andc $$ in an update?
Just a thought.
lawalty said:
Sammy's main goal is to make more $$ on the new hardware, so why invest more time andc $$ in an update?
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Supposedly they have to support us with updates and stuff for 18 months. The Note 3 has been out for almost a year, so we should still be getting 4.4.4 and L. I have a feeling they're going to skip 4.4.4 and go straight to L, which I will be avoiding at all costs.
Is L no good
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zaptear said:
Is L no good
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AT&T/Samsung updates go in the direction of maximum corporate security, so unless you're the network admin for some company, probably not. (They want to turn your phone into the company's phone, so if you're not in the business of buying your employer a phone that they allow you minimal use of, Samsung is no longer the phone to buy.
Maybe if they lose enough business, they'll change their policy.
Ya oneplus phone is what I'm thinking
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zaptear said:
Is L no good
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L= downfall of Android. Read up on it and you will see why. After the KitKat update fiasco earlier this year I've learned my lesson and plan to stay put on 4.4.2 until my Note 3 dies.
I'm thinking 4.4.4 sooner rather then later. I'm assuming several months before an "L" release.
D4nielC said:
I'm thinking 4.4.4 sooner rather then later. I'm assuming several months before an "L" release.
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This is what I'm going to go with. L is a long ways away for Samsung devices. Look how long 4.4.4 has been out and we still haven't seen it. I wish it was different and AT&T had speedy updates but sadly that's not the case.
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L= downfall of Android. Read up on it and you will see why. After the KitKat update fiasco earlier this year I've learned my lesson and plan to stay put on 4.4.2 until my Note 3 dies.
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I did a couple of Google searches and didn't come up with anything obvious (maybe cause I used Google search?). Can you provide a link, or shed some light on why you're saying this?
Will you be moving away from android once your Note dies?
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I did a couple of Google searches and didn't come up with anything obvious (maybe cause I used Google search?). Can you provide a link, or shed some light on why you're saying this?
Will you be moving away from android once your Note dies?
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I don't have a link but I read that samsung and android are going to partner up and integrate Knox into android. At least that what I think he means.
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undrwater said:
I did a couple of Google searches and didn't come up with anything obvious (maybe cause I used Google search?). Can you provide a link, or shed some light on why you're saying this?
Will you be moving away from android once your Note dies?
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I'm saying L= bad because I've read rumors about how Google will be incorporating Knox or something like it into the source code. It'll be locked down tighter than NC2 and may be the end of root and ROMs. Supposedly even the Nexus 5 guys had a hard time rooting the L developer preview.
I'll wait and see if the rumors about L are true before moving away from Android. There's no way I'd be caught dead with an iPhone and Windows phones don't appeal to me.
I'll see if I can get you some links after work.
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I'm saying L= bad because I've read rumors about how Google will be incorporating Knox or something like it into the source code. It'll be locked down tighter than NC2 and may be the end of root and ROMs. Supposedly even the Nexus 5 guys had a hard time rooting the L developer preview.
I'll wait and see if the rumors about L are true before moving away from Android. There's no way I'd be caught dead with an iPhone and Windows phones don't appeal to me.
I'll see if I can get you some links after work.
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Adding "Knox" to the search helped a bunch. Here's a pretty good article:
http://www.cso.com.au/article/550673/google_details_knox-inspired_enterprise_managed_profiles_android_l/
It looks as if Google may still try to lock the bootloader, just not through Knox.
Thanks!
Looks like Verizon somehow got their backup bloat into the Nexus 6 5.1 image. I am on AT&T and have the backup app with Verizon's logo for it.
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stooley said:
Looks like Verizon somehow got their backup bloat into the Nexus 6 5.1 image. I am on AT&T and have the backup app with Verizon's logo for it.
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That is disgusting to see. Then again, like SprintDM, the phones will have all of this so that all the models with have the same OS and therefore one model for all networks.
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Looks like Verizon somehow got their backup bloat into the Nexus 6 5.1 image. I am on AT&T and have the backup app with Verizon's logo for it.
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Somehow I think you'll survive.
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Can it be uninstalled?
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Doesn't look like Verizon. file name says com.motorola.android.buacontactadapter
Yup, go to Accounts and click Add Account, you'll see 2 Verizon items in there, Backup and Verizon!!!! I'm on a T-Mobile Nexus 6 too. Grrrr
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Doesn't look like Verizon. file name says com.motorola.android.buacontactadapter
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It's the same backup assistant my gf had on her Razr M from Verizon.
nxt said:
Yup, go to Accounts and click Add Account, you'll see 2 Verizon items in there, Backup and Verizon!!!! I'm on a T-Mobile Nexus 6 too. Grrrr
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It's the same backup assistant my gf had on her Razr M from Verizon.
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When I click add, I see backup but I don't see Verizon. I click on backup and it just goes to a blank account screen. I definitely don't doubt you but I just thought it was odd it has Motorola in the process name.
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When I click add, I see backup but I don't see Verizon. I click on backup and it just goes to a blank account screen. I definitely don't doubt you but I just thought it was odd it has Motorola in the process name.
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You know what, I think Verizon shows up because I have the My Fios app installed, yeah that's why.
My Nexus 6 has this App and I didn't buy it in the US (nor do I use it there).
It's very disappointing to see stuff like that which can't be disabled.
There's also something called "VZWAPN"
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My Nexus 6 has this App and I didn't buy it in the US (nor do I use it there).
It's very disappointing to see stuff like that which can't be disabled.
There's also something called "VZWAPN"
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YUCK. The worst part is you can't even disable it or uninstall it. OH well it's going right next to SprintDM in titanium backup frozen hell
There's SprintDM and T-Mobile MyAccount too, on mine. Sounds like the risk of having a single update for all carriers is you gotta have the stuff for all carriers in it. I wonder if the factory image will have this stuff.
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There's SprintDM and T-Mobile MyAccount too, on mine. Sounds like the risk of having a single update for all carriers is you gotta have the stuff for all carriers in it. I wonder if the factory image will have this stuff.
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Exactly. People need to get over this.
Think isn't that bad ?
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stas333 said:
Exactly. People need to get over this.
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Yeah, it's really not bad. It's not like the apps are even being used at all. I mean, you can always delete the apks with a file manager if it hurts that much.
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There's SprintDM and T-Mobile MyAccount too, on mine. Sounds like the risk of having a single update for all carriers is you gotta have the stuff for all carriers in it. I wonder if the factory image will have this stuff.
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The t-mobile one you can uninstall. I don't have that one on my phone. The sprintDM and verizon backup wouldn't be such a big deal if it was just on the phone but the fact that it runs in the background is the annoying part for me. I'll probably end up needing that Verizon one as I plan on swapping my VZ and Tmobile sims from time to time. I hope 5.1 allows me to just swap the sim in instead of factory resetting the phone.
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The t-mobile one you can uninstall. I don't have that one on my phone. The sprintDM and verizon backup wouldn't be such a big deal if it was just on the phone but the fact that it runs in the background is the annoying part for me. I'll probably end up needing that Verizon one as I plan on swapping my VZ and Tmobile sims from time to time. I hope 5.1 allows me to just swap the sim in instead of factory resetting the phone.
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All you have to do is switch sims, no need to reset. Also you have 3 GB of ram in the phone. You'll be OK.
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david279 said:
All you have to do is switch sims, no need to reset. Also you have 3 GB of ram in the phone. You'll be OK.
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Good to hear they fixed that in 5.1 . every ounce of RAM counts hahaha. I'm just OCD when it comes to memory management hahaha.
biggiestuff said:
YUCK. The worst part is you can't even disable it or uninstall it. OH well it's going right next to SprintDM in titanium backup frozen hell
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Wow, people. You should really listen to yourselves. When you have a device that works on multiple carriers, there are ALWAYS going to be carrier specific libraries in order to make things work. Yes, there's a VZWAPN APK. Yes, there's a SprintDM APK, there are also US Cellular-specific APKs in there, and there's probably some very T-Mobile and AT&T specific code if you want to dig for it. Christ, people. You have a phone that works on just about every network in the history of the world. Do you think that all happens just like magic without any involvement from any carrier at all?
And for those of you outside the US, clearly Google doesn't want to have to manage two separate ROMs for the Nexus 6 just over a few APKs, so yeah, your ROM is going to have APKs for US based carriers in it too. Somehow, I think you'll survive.
Come on, now. I know y'all are smarter than this.
I think its funny people are calling it bloat. Like its bing maps, skype or the samsung S apps.
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Wow, people. You should really listen to yourselves. When you have a device that works on multiple carriers, there are ALWAYS going to be carrier specific libraries in order to make things work. Yes, there's a VZWAPN APK. Yes, there's a SprintDM APK, there are also US Cellular-specific APKs in there, and there's probably some very T-Mobile and AT&T specific code if you want to dig for it. Christ, people. You have a phone that works on just about every network in the history of the world. Do you think that all happens just like magic without any involvement from any carrier at all?
And for those of you outside the US, clearly Google doesn't want to have to manage two separate ROMs for the Nexus 6 just over a few APKs, so yeah, your ROM is going to have APKs for US based carriers in it too. Somehow, I think you'll survive.
Come on, now. I know y'all are smarter than this.
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We are smarter than that. That's why we freeze it. . It's just one of the things friends ask me is. Why do you like nexus phones and why should I switch? I tell them that nexus phones don't have all that bloatware carrier phones come with. And while it's still free of bloatware for the most part, I hope it's not a trend in the wrong direction. If they can install carrier apps depending on what carrier Sim, why weren't they able to keep these apps carrier specific? It's not THAT big of a deal for now but like I said I hope it doesn't go in the wrong direction.
My theory is that eventually the upcoming Google wireless service will be compatible across all 4 carriers. Imagine never having a coverage issue because you have a phone that works on all 4 concurrently with one service.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...hd-voice-will-work-pixel-phones-google-store/
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Good news keeps coming.
seezar said:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...hd-voice-will-work-pixel-phones-google-store/
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Very cool. Didn't know that!
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Maybe next they will even let us unlock the boot loader for the verizon model too lol
razor237 said:
Maybe next they will even let us unlock the boot loader for the verizon model too lol
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That will never happen. And firmware images from Google are not going to be signed to flash to the Verizon-locked phones. Because Verizon knows people will try and do that.
xocomaox said:
That will never happen. And firmware images from Google are not going to be signed to flash to the Verizon-locked phones. Because Verizon knows people will try and do that.
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Oh I know that just joking around lol
So basically all Verizon will do is sign the updates. They would do this in order to lock down the device.
xocomaox said:
That will never happen. And firmware images from Google are not going to be signed to flash to the Verizon-locked phones. Because Verizon knows people will try and do that.
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Does that mean I wont be able flash custom roms?
I know the answer just hate it didnt dawn on me before buying from Verizon:crying:
JasonJoel said:
Really? It doesn't on the Nexus 6P... Unless I'm mistaken...
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I bought two Nexus 6p's through Google and used both of them on Verizon. Volte worked on both! Soooo
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they gotta say something to get you into the store so they can try to upsell you their crap & services they offer while buying this phone.. it’s Verizon, can’t trust them at all till you see it happen...i remeber when the HTC Rezound was promised ICS "shortly after launch" and didn’t get it for another 9 months.
Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Verizon branded nexus 6 have an unlockable bootloader? And I can confirm the unlocked version of the nexus 6 having fully working volte minus video calling on Verizon
You guys are silly if you believe them. Research the last time Verizon had a Nexus.
Why in the world would Verizon want to handle updates other than to alter, add bloat and remove features they csn charge you for.
I will say. Getting a free Google VR headset with pre order is tempting
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Rippley05 said:
You guys are silly if you believe them. Research the last time Verizon had a Nexus.
Why in the world would Verizon want to handle updates other than to alter, add bloat and remove features they csn charge you for.
I will say. Getting a free Google VR headset with pre order is tempting
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You get a free vr headset if you preorder directly with Google too.
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seezar said:
You get a free vr headset if you preorder directly with Google too.
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Right, but i cant pay full price and Google won't finance anyone with credit less than Jesus
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shotguntheenforcer said:
Does that mean I wont be able flash custom roms?
I know the answer just hate it didnt dawn on me before buying from Verizon:crying:
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Yes. Unless someone cracks the bootloader. Verizon carries all the government contracts so they will never knowingly allow unlocked phones on their network. Honestly though I doubt you will find a more streamlined experience than stock Android on the Pixel. It was designed to run 7.1. I doubt any ROM will improve on it. The fact that Google is in control of the software as well means you will always be on the latest version.
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Yes. Unless someone cracks the bootloader. Verizon carries all the government contracts so they will never knowingly allow unlocked phones on their network. Honestly though I doubt you will find a more streamlined experience than stock Android on the Pixel. It was designed to run 7.1. I doubt any ROM will improve on it. The fact that Google is in control of the software as well means you will always be on the latest version.
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But Google is not in control. Just because Verizon says they'll release at same time
A. Doesn't mean they will. They've lied before
B. Doesn't mean Verizon won't strip features they think they can profit from by offering their crappy version. It's done on virtually every android phone they offer. Why else would they want to "handle" updates
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Rippley05 said:
But Google is not in control. Just because Verizon says they'll release at same time
A. Doesn't mean they will. They've lied before
B. Doesn't mean Verizon won't strip features they think they can profit from by offering their crappy version. It's done on virtually every android phone they offer. Why else would they want to "handle" updates
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Actually Google is in control. It's a first for them but it will be how apple controls their software. Read number 6 from this link
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3128785/android/google-pixel-phone-verizon.html#6
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Actually Google is in control. It's a first for them but it will be how apple controls their software. Read this article a guy took a snippet but a link is a few post above.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/how-to/cancelled-preorder-heres-t3474157/post69105296
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Here is that link to the article
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-google-s-first-real-threat-to-apple-s-iphone
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Sorry wrong article. Read number 6 from this link
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3128785/android/google-pixel-phone-verizon.html#6
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Right. So I don't see anything about Verizon and not allowing carriers like Verizon to remove apps and features on their phones. They let them install bloatware Verizon apps that can be "deleted" but can they be uninstalled?
This isn't like Apple because Apple doesn't let Verizon "handle" their updates.
I bit the bullet and ordered a pixel xl, but nobody will know how Verizon will tamper with it until a new version of android releases.
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Right. So I don't see anything about Verizon and not allowing carriers like Verizon to remove apps and features on their phones. They let them install bloatware Verizon apps that can be "deleted" but can they be uninstalled?
This isn't like Apple because Apple doesn't let Verizon "handle" their updates.
I bit the bullet and ordered a pixel xl, but nobody will know how Verizon will tamper with it until a new version of android releases.
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I linked an article and said to read #6 but you did not. So here it is on a spoon for you.
Update [10/12/16]:?*Google and Verizon seem to have reached a revised and more firmly defined position on this matter. In a new statement provided this morning, Google now says: "Google controls the distribution of all OS updates and security patches for Pixel devices. OS updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all Pixel devices (Verizon and non-Verizon versions) simultaneously."
Everything I have read has stated the the VZ apps are uninstallable.
It is more like Apple for updates in this case. Google and Verizon both said Google will be pushing the updates.
"Google and Verizon seem to have reached a revised and more firmly defined position on this matter. In a new statement provided this morning, Google now says: "Google controls the distribution of all OS updates and security patches for Pixel devices. OS updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all Pixel devices (Verizon and non-Verizon versions) simultaneously."
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Everything I have read has stated the the VZ apps are uninstallable.
It is more like Apple for updates in this case. Google and Verizon both said Google will be pushing the updates.
"Google and Verizon seem to have reached a revised and more firmly defined position on this matter. In a new statement provided this morning, Google now says: "Google controls the distribution of all OS updates and security patches for Pixel devices. OS updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all Pixel devices (Verizon and non-Verizon versions) simultaneously."
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Yeah the Nexus program was just google dabbling. They are going directly after apple with the Pixel. And hopefully other Android OEM's. Fragmentation has always been a problem and Google is finally starting to do something about it. iOS has always had the upper hand this way by controlled releases and software/hardware being designed together. That's exactly what the Pixel was made to compete with.