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So it was confirmed by a Sony employee that unlocking the bootloader on the Z3C results in the loss of advanced camera algorithms which affect low light photography. This had me wondering whether this is the same on Z2?
It seems the algorithms are protected by the DRM keys and once these are lost the functionality becomes limited.
I unlocked my Z2 just before the root exploit and lost my keys. I didn't notice a drop in camera quality, but did anyone else?
Does this put you off buying a Sony device in the future?
Personally I use a DSLR and my phone is just for quick snaps so it's not a big deal, but for some it will be.
Discuss.
Link to confirmation here.
I after purchase of phone reflected to open bootloader, but nevertheless decided to wait there will be root on the closed boot so far, and I made to myself a backup, strange but for some reason when by missing drm keys, xreality dosn't work, and modify supervivid, and the way so far to restore work or to make working supervivid and xreality on the unblocked bootloader isn't present
I dont think this is generaly true unless we have solid evidance becsuse sony only made the quality dim after BLU on Z1 because it protected sonys methods of image proccessing
They made it untouchable in Z2 so why would they revert to lesser tech again
Also that link doesnt fully conferm much, this may potentialy be a hicup from sony
Edit- now that i think about it.. Since it is new camera tech they may have had to do this due to not being able to lock their content like they did with Z2
It is true I experienced myself after I backed up my TA, First thing I did was unlocked the bootloader and checked the camera quality and yes I saw that camera quality was decreased and I earlier mentioned it before and no one believed me lol, Even though if you think that it doesn't with future updates such as 4.4.4 android L you might see the changes of the camera due to permanent lost of DRM. So we gotta find a root method for Z3.
chesterr said:
It is true I experienced myself after I backed up my TA, First thing I did was unlocked the bootloader and checked the camera quality and yes I saw that camera quality was decreased and I earlier mentioned it before and no one believed me lol, Even though if you think that it doesn't with future updates such as 4.4.4 android L you might see the changes of the camera due to permanent lost of DRM. So we gotta find a root method for Z3.
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Fair enough
Lets hope sony fix this like they did with Z1
I plan to continue buying xperias untill im dead
Envious_Data said:
Fair enough
Lets hope sony fix this like they did with Z1
I plan to continue buying xperias untill im dead
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Haha so true man but since Sony mentioned that they are having their bionz thingy tangled with DRM keys, I don't think they'll ever fix. Only thing is that we'll need have locked bootloader always. Even if I'm upgrading to Z3 I'll be patiently waiting for LB root before I unlock it :laugh: I hope xscha comes to action. He was the one who actually came up with the method. Great guy he is.
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Haha so true man but since Sony mentioned that they are having their bionz thingy tangled with DRM keys, I don't think they'll ever fix. Only thing is that we'll need have locked bootloader always. Even if I'm upgrading to Z3 I'll be patiently waiting for LB root before I unlock it :laugh: I hope xscha comes to action. He was the one who actually came up with the method. Great guy he is.
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Well drm keys have been an xperia problem for a while and funny enough they souly exist to protect other OEMs from stealing from sony
Not realy there to stop users being users
Lets hope they find a new way to protect their new content
How about relocking the bootloader? Will it restore the image quality?
rodritank said:
How about relocking the bootloader? Will it restore the image quality?
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No.It loses BIONZ and X-reality.
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No.It loses BIONZ and X-reality.
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Restoring a backed up TA partition does though, does it not?(on the z2).
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Restoring a backed up TA partition does though, does it not?(on the z2).
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Can't give you an answer here.Have an ZR and yes it brings the DRM keys back.But for the z2 im not familiar.
I am very, very disappointed about Sony's move. It makes no sense if you come to think of it.
Since I bought it Monday and my country has a strict return policy (good for consumers), I *might* be able to get a new one without explaining what happened.
However, if I can't get a new one, what's the next step? Download a camera mod perhaps?
EDIT: X-Reality WORKS. I am just not sure about BIONZ. And perhaps future Playstation stuff.
Can anyone with a locked bootloader take a picture of a dark room with a candle? That's easy for everyone to reproduce... and we can compare shots.
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I am very, very disappointed about Sony's move. It makes no sense if you come to think of it.
Since I bought it Monday and my country has a strict return policy (good for consumers), I *might* be able to get a new one without explaining what happened.
However, if I can't get a new one, what's the next step? Download a camera mod perhaps?
EDIT: X-Reality WORKS. I am just not sure about BIONZ. And perhaps future Playstation stuff.
Can anyone with a locked bootloader take a picture of a dark room with a candle? That's easy for everyone to reproduce... and we can compare shots.
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Here are some frome me.
The first 2 are with SAM.
Last one is with Manual.
http://s11.postimg.org/jsbf2f4wj/DSC_0253.jpg
http://s11.postimg.org/3vcn5pcib/DSC_0256.jpg
http://s11.postimg.org/k7ra96g7n/DSC_0257.jpg
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Here are some frome me.
The first 2 are with SAM.
Last one is with Manual.
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AWESOME man! Will take shots once I get home in a few hours!
Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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Can't open the links.
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Can't open the links.
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delete the space between imgur and .com. I don't have 10 posts here so I can't post links
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delete the space between imgur and .com. I don't have 10 posts here so I can't post links
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Don't worry ^^ There is nothing wrong with your camera.
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Auto 1: imgur .com/O2KGZg0
Auto 2: imgur. com/4zhGSj0
Manual: imgur. com/TMWMOy6
Yes, it "adds" noise. It looks sharper than yours, at the cost of fuzzy noise. Mind taking more shots, dude?
I will inspect the jpeg data now
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This also happened to my z3 after BL unlock.. lots of noise on pictures specially in low light shots.
If you come to think about it, it's not thaaat bad. It noises just like an iPhone would do (which, for me, isn't a big deal).
It seems the only thing the DRM does is to apply a filter/denoiser/blur to the pics.
Is this related to BIONZ? If BIONZ is a hardware feature, it's most unlikely that an unlocked bootloader would do anything (unless it's like the Xbox 360 and e-fuses).
X-Reality is pretty lame to be honest. It justs "HDRs" all of your images. Nothing too serious. And it only does that to images and movies, not the UI.
Now I am just concerned about future Playstation features like of that stream thing - remote play for PS4.
@effective: did you do anything to your pics? They seem to miss the EXIF data. I wonder if a Locked Bootloader would produce a different JPEG header?
As topic name says, sony wants to know if there is demand to support "RAW" format for Xperia Line in future lollipop release.
You can read more here
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/04/2...capture-in-future-if-there-is-popular-demand/
And you can request it on official sony forum
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Software-Updates/Camera2-API/m-p/974754#M21577
What is RAW exactly ?
I read it a couple pf times but i am not sure what it is.
Roughly speaking it's an image file. RAW is commonly used by photographers and they have more detail than your average jpeg. But RAW files user alot of memory.
I don't care for it tbh. Jpeg files on my Z2 are big enough when I go full 20 Mpixel.
Honestly I don't care about RAW either. But I want them to implement camera2 api.
I hope we can choose between jpeg or raw if it becomes available not just one
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I hope we can choose between jpeg or raw if it becomes available not just one
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There's no way in hell they'd set RAW as default. RAW is practically unusable without editing, and takes a lot of space. If they implement it it's definitely gonna be optional.
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The thing is, if they add support for RAW photo's, there's a good chance the camera mode will get updated from legacy mode to either limited or full mode. To find out what that would mean, head over to this link. (it also gives an overview of which devices support which camera2 mode) And here is a quote for the lazy ones:
Camera2 Supported Hardware Levels
FULL: all that’s required but not everything
30fps operation at sensor resolution preferred, 20fps required for at least uncompressed YUV output: useful for burst capture and computational photography
Per frame control
Manual sensor control: Like exposure time, ISO gain
Manual post-processing control: color rendition, contrast/gamma curve, noise reduction
Arbitrary cropping, in size and coordinates
At least 3 processed non-stalling output streams formats: like YUV 4:2:0 used for preview.
The ability to list and auto-configure output formats according to a list of supported streams
Note that FULL does not require RAW capture nor valid metadata and calibration profile for the DNG writer.
LIMITED: partial support, your mileage may vary
Cameras describing themselves as limited have some of the Camera2 capabilities but not all of them, and not all the ones required for the FULL supported hardware level either.
The reason would be either because the camera module or its Image Signal Processor lacks some of the required capabilities, or because the manufacturer didn’t implement them so they become available in Camera2 API.
LEGACY: a wrapper around the old Camera API
Legacy Camera2 means only really the historic Camera API is implemented. But for good measure, Lollipop adds a layer over it so modern camera applications do not have to implement two separate ways to control the imaging systems.
Each camera (usually back and front) has its own capability set. For instance, Nexus 5 hardware support level is FULL for the back and LIMITED for the front.
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Right now we're on legacy, which means we don't get any of the fancy new camera2 api features. If Sony updates it, it should be relatively easy to add more features, like manual focus for example. (which I would love to have, personally)
It comes down to this:
Even if you don't care about RAW photography, it's still wise to request it and maybe request support for full mode because that will get you a lot of other cool features as well.
I DO NOT need it.
It's a plus point, but definitely not a necessity.
Raw it's a optional feature, but the other features of camera2api are usefull. We can use finally the sony's sensors at max power I want camera2api and RAW
I think it's rude they are even asking for our opinion. Google published it and Sony excluded it from the original code and now is asking us if we want it.
Personally, it's not as important as - say- a SMS software or not a must but still, why take something out?
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I think it's rude they are even asking for our opinion. Google published it and Sony excluded it from the original code and now is asking us if we want it.
Personally, it's not as important as - say- a SMS software or not a must but still, why take something out?
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At least they lending a listening ear. Most OEMs, including Samsung, excluded it. Industry standard.
Well at least Sony think about the people and asking it, we cant say that from other manufractures
Id love to see raw support
Seeing a camera with raw vs without is a big difference
I want
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There's no way in hell they'd set RAW as default. RAW is practically unusable without editing, and takes a lot of space. If they implement it it's definitely gonna be optional.
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Thank god for that!
not a need, but definitly a want
Absolutely a need. I will not buy another device which doesn't support raw capture, now that it is readily available for manufacturers to add.
I would definitely wanna see RAW support since it significantly improves the quality of pictures on Android phones with Lollipop..
Defently CameraApi2 would be useful, now I can take really good pictures with manual but with that extra features.
Sony camera will rock!
Guys, even if you would not use it, just request it as many others would use. Please help the community.
Sony says the Z5 camera has been designed in conjunction with Sony’s Alpha α camera engineers [1]. Assuming (hoping) they've improved image processing (that which the Z3 lacks most it seems), would it even be feasible to backport the software to the Z3 line?
I'm assuming it won't be open source so no, I don't think so.
If it was possible, we would already have stock quality camera on AOSP
Is possible?? Yes. Will they do?? Don't think so.
danibus said:
Is possible?? Yes. Will they do?? Don't think so.
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But the question is not if they will do but rather if one of our gifted devs on XDA can do it.
E.g. @xperiaz2 ported here the Xperia Z4 framework & Sony Stock Camera for many other Xperia phones running on CM12.x/AOSP.
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So things are possible, even if it's closed source. And hey, this here is XDA.
Actually the Z3c will probably run the same camera software through an official update. Now for the image processing by itself will not be the same nor will it be backported. The reason is that the sensor is not the same and the image processing is tuned according to the sensor, if it's characteristic (noise, sharpness, colors) are different you will not be able to get a good result.
Has anyone confirmed what we will lose if we unlock the bootloaders on the Z5P? Seems like getting locked BL root on 5.1.1 is a very long shot and I think a lot of us would want to weigh the benefits of having root against the functionality of the phone being reduced.
So far I've heard:
- BionZ camera processing
- PS4 controller support
- X-Reality display mode
Anything else? Like payments or 4K support or anything?
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Has anyone confirmed what we will lose if we unlock the bootloaders on the Z5P? Seems like getting locked BL root on 5.1.1 is a very long shot and I think a lot of us would want to weigh the benefits of having root against the functionality of the phone being reduced.
So far I've heard:
- BionZ camera processing
- PS4 controller support
- X-Reality display mode
Anything else? Like payments or 4K support or anything?
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I need to double check, but I'm 90% certain that PS4 remote play/controller support worked fine on an unlocked Z3, so I'm surprised it would fail on an unlocked Z5P.
I'm going to be unlocking mine soon so I'll know. To be honest, I have never really missed any of the DRM-protected stuff in the past when unlocking a Sony. Some people actually preferred when the NR algo was disabled in the camera because it's known to be overaggressive and destroys detail. (RAW would be optimal, which is why I've been working with Alin on the AOSP camera project - RAW does work in the new AOSP camera blobs but they have a bunch of other things that need work.)
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Has anyone confirmed what we will lose if we unlock the bootloaders on the Z5P? Seems like getting locked BL root on 5.1.1 is a very long shot and I think a lot of us would want to weigh the benefits of having root against the functionality of the phone being reduced.
So far I've heard:
- BionZ camera processing
- PS4 controller support
- X-Reality display mode
Anything else? Like payments or 4K support or anything?
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X-reality still works as far as I remember. I am unlocked
What about Miracast (screen mirroring)? I lost it on my old "z" unlocking the BL.
Good to know that it seems that nothing much is lost then. Looking forward towards rooting and transferring my Z2 to my Z5P soon.
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What about Miracast (screen mirroring)? I lost it on my old "z" unlocking the BL.
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Is it even present to begin with? Google has really been pushing Google Cast as a replacement to Miracast. (as in - use a Chromecast...) I thought Miracast had been removed from stock Android in favor of Google Cast.
If it's present it might be a Sony addon. The Z was released before Miracast support was integrated into stock Android so it had a "nonstandard" implementation.
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Is it even present to begin with? Google has really been pushing Google Cast as a replacement to Miracast. (as in - use a Chromecast...) I thought Miracast had been removed from stock Android in favor of Google Cast.
If it's present it might be a Sony addon. The Z was released before Miracast support was integrated into stock Android so it had a "nonstandard" implementation.
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I have a Sony Bravia TV since 2 or 3 years and it uses NFC + Miracast for screen mirroring so I never tried Google cast.
Just rooted. Seems like X-Reality is gone - toggling in between the modes does nothing to the sample image on the screen - Using RomAur1.1
Camera Quality
benengyj said:
Just rooted. Seems like X-Reality is gone - toggling in between the modes does nothing to the sample image on the screen - Using RomAur1.1
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Did the quality of photos and videos taken with the camera drop? Is there a big difference?
What about the sound enhancements, did the sound quality drop?
These are the only things stopping me from rooting...
houboy said:
Did the quality of photos and videos taken with the camera drop? Is there a big difference?
What about the sound enhancements, did the sound quality drop?
These are the only things stopping me from rooting...
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No idea as I haven't really used the phone yet. Only thing I can say is that the sample image in the x-reality menu stays the same no matter which setting is chosen. It worked fine before unlocking.
Could you follow up with some sample pictures if u get a chance?
And some comments on the sound quality
Could you also tell about the camera picture quality? And the low light photos? If possible, please do post a few low light photos. Thanks
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Did the quality of photos and videos taken with the camera drop? Is there a big difference?
What about the sound enhancements, did the sound quality drop?
These are the only things stopping me from rooting...
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Same, i'm still using my Z2 since there are no way to root my Z5P without unlocking bootloader. Sucks that we have to wait months before there's a work-around. X-reality and Sound enhancement is really important since i watch all my movies on my Z5P especially 3D movies with VRTube using my VR headset the images are super gorgeous .
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Could you also tell about the camera picture quality? And the low light photos? If possible, please do post a few low light photos. Thanks
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What you can expect is the NR algorithm gets disabled - not much else.
Some people, including myself, actually prefer when the NR algorithm is gone - it reduces noise but destroys detail. Ideally we'd have RAW support, but so far that's only in the experimental Sony AOSP blobs. (which reminds me, I need to go through the vignetting/distortion cal process on some pictures I took with my Z3...)
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Same, i'm still using my Z2 since there are no way to root my Z5P without unlocking bootloader. Sucks that we have to wait months before there's a work-around. X-reality and Sound enhancement is really important since i watch all my movies on my Z5P especially 3D movies with VRTube using my VR headset the images are super gorgeous .
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I personally would disagree that these are really important - these are gimmicks that mangle the image/sound. You have a truer representation of the actual content when these are OFF. Also, X-Reality only works with Sony's own player app so it's irrelevant to something like VRTube.
Remote play doesn't work anymore
Entropy512 said:
What you can expect is the NR algorithm gets disabled - not much else.
Some people, including myself, actually prefer when the NR algorithm is gone - it reduces noise but destroys detail. Ideally we'd have RAW support, but so far that's only in the experimental Sony AOSP blobs. (which reminds me, I need to go through the vignetting/distortion cal process on some pictures I took with my Z3...)
I personally would disagree that these are really important - these are gimmicks that mangle the image/sound. You have a truer representation of the actual content when these are OFF. Also, X-Reality only works with Sony's own player app so it's irrelevant to something like VRTube.
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X-Reality does work with some 3rd party apps like MX-Player and i can confirm it works with VRTube, here are some screen shots:
X-Reality off
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
X-Reality on
X-Reality off
X-Reality on
Soo i got a unlocked bl. if theres low light picture quality is SH1T its like a samsung galaxy trend. Only on low light! Theres no other difference on camera quality. Only low light sucks bad
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benengyj said:
Just rooted. Seems like X-Reality is gone - toggling in between the modes does nothing to the sample image on the screen - Using RomAur1.1
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OK so you have rooted! do you have latest software update?? Answer pls. I got the latest update so idk is the root working on it.. I got the E8853 im dont remembet the first numbers lol but it ends with 53 xdddd 6653 or 8853.. 53 anyway no dual. So answer quick thx!
Low light photos still suck compared to Sammy S6 and above/LG G4 and above.
I updated MM yesterday and took snaps today, before and after drmrestore. See attached.
Noise processing was definitely restored.
I want to unlock my bootloader too. But as far as i know i will loose my warranty. That's why i didn't unlock until now
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Low light photos still suck compared to Sammy S6 and above/LG G4 and above.
I updated MM yesterday and took snaps today, before and after drmrestore. See attached.
Noise processing was definitely restored.
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Pardon my ignorance, mate, buy don't you need root to backup your DRMs, in the first place?
http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/xperia/technologies/camera/
Shutter speed control
Use maximum shutter speed (1/4000) for sharp images of moving subjects. Or try a slower speed (1 sec.) for a motion blur effect.
Manual focus
Decide your precise focal point. Bring the furthest away object into focus and defocus the foreground, or vice versa.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w_5SJtLLYs (video review of the camera in Xperia XZ by Btekt)
Still, the least min shutter speed from all manufacturers - HTC 2 sec, Samsung 10 sec, LG and OnePlus 30 sec. but the fact that Sony finally implemented that API is great!
Hopefully not only the XZ will get this and we will see updated cameras in older models.
sony fanboy here but still...1 sec? and samsung has 10 seconds shutter time? Is this what sony calls "innovation"?????
I wonder if they will update it with a longer time. I would like that.
I wouldn't call it "full" since it still doesn't have raw capture.
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I wouldn't call it "full" since it still doesn't have raw capture.
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With This 100% I agree. Is this really full manual control? I mean Sony is a master in RAW imagining. Their alpha series got the best RAW as far as I believe.
actually i agree with the decision to not add raw. For now it looks like a useless feature on a smartphone to me. just a memory eater. Not even all the compact cameras has it and most of them make better photos than a smartphone. Raw files are mostly for professionals and they use professional cameras. And finally shutter speed control! that was the only feature i felt was missing on xperia phones
I would like t see RAW. I shoot it exclusively on all my cameras, so I would use it on my phone. You can use it or not, so there should be no concerns about space. Space is so cheap these days anyway.
The problem IMO is not RAW, it is that Sony is really lazy about adding the features from their new devices on the older ones(that support them). Remember 4K and timeshift video? Z1 didn't get them from the Z2 although they were fully supported by the hw. I think Sony will do the same with limited/full camera2 api support....
(would be very glad to see Sony disproving me)
I understand it's a marketing trick to force users to buy the new model, but supported users are happy users, and happy users will have their next device Sony again, which IMO is far better strategy
Finally,
Can anyone confirm whether ISO can be changed at 23MP and if Steadyshot works with still photos? Recombu seems to show it working in Superior Auto mode but the video isn't very clear with it.
I think the Z5 had it on its original software but after the camera app was updated in November it no longer had it, even though Sony claimed on their forum that Steadyshot is on by default.
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Can anyone confirm whether ISO can be changed at 23MP and if Steadyshot works with still photos? Recombu seems to show it working in Superior Auto mode but the video isn't very clear with it.
I think the Z5 had it on its original software but after the camera app was updated in November it no longer had it, even though Sony claimed on their forum that Steadyshot is on by default.
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Unfortunately ISO cannot be changed at 23MPx.
Moreover, even for lower resolution, it is not possible to adjust few options at the same time, like when you change the shutter speed, ISO and HDR etc are unavailable... They really need to fix this issueto allow us better manual control, and not only 1 option at the time + support higher resolutions and 4K videos.
4K is really biased, non of ne implemented technologies like 5 axis stabilization are supported in 4K.
I think Sony just added its old 4K app without updating it to combine with new features, sadly
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Unfortunately ISO cannot be changed at 23MPx.
Moreover, even for lower resolution, it is not possible to adjust few options at the same time, like when you change the shutter speed, ISO and HDR etc are unavailable... They really need to fix this issueto allow us better manual control, and not only 1 option at the time + support higher resolutions and 4K videos.
4K is really biased, non of ne implemented technologies like 5 axis stabilization are supported in 4K.
I think Sony just added its old 4K app without updating it to combine with new features, sadly
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Not implementing camera RAW in 2017 is close to a deal breaker, sony. Implement the full camera 2.0 API with raw support asap...
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Not implementing camera RAW in 2017 is close to a deal breaker, sony. Implement the full camera 2.0 API with raw support asap...
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Yeah, it may be a complete deal breaker for me.
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Not implementing camera RAW in 2017 is close to a deal breaker, sony. Implement the full camera 2.0 API with raw support asap...
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Anyone know if the new camera (in the XZs and XZ premium ) supports raw ?
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Yeah, it may be a complete deal breaker for me.
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Anyone know if the new camera (in the XZs and XZ premium ) supports raw ?
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I sure hope so, it is supposed to have more camera properties than ever before, even went down to 19mpix from 23 to have more light sensitivity for the camera. Furthermore, if anyone thinks RAW (which is already there in the Android source code) isn't necessary - well just don't use it then.
It's like saying "I don't need a car that goes above 75 mph, so it's unnecessary to implement"