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So I've been thinking. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think the wait for the update won't be nearly as long as years past.... The reasoning behind my theory is the fact that Samsung didn't fragment the devices this time around. We always seen the Exynos (international versions) get the update within a month of release. And then snap dragons always took 4-5 months probably because of the out of house support and the carriers slowing down the process.. I'm thinking a month or two tops. Thoughts?
on verizon so I will be lucky to even get an update before I move on to a new phone
AT&T. I'm hoping around next decade. I'm being a little too optimistic, but one can hope.
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Considering what Lollipop did to my Note 4 I won't be updating reguardless. Everything works just fine as it is.
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Considering what Lollipop did to my Note 4 I won't be updating reguardless. Everything works just fine as it is.
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Lollipop was one of the largest updates in Android history with a crap ton of new code and ui. Marshmallow while adding some new api's and features is primarily a bug fix and performance update.
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Whatever it is, this is one of the major drawbacks of Android as a platform.
I'm not sure we can just point the finger at one company in particular.
It's just the way Android is, with Google, OEM's, carriers.
They need to simplify this update process. It's a huge advantage iOS has over Android.
Somehow, someway Google, Samsung and others need to expedite the update process so customers can update just as quickly as their iPhone counterparts.
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Whatever it is, this is one of the major drawbacks of Android as a platform.
I'm not sure we can just point the finger at one company in particular.
It's just the way Android is, with Google, OEM's, carriers.
They need to simplify this update process. It's a huge advantage iOS has over Android.
Somehow, someway Google, Samsung and others need to expedite the update process so customers can update just as quickly as their iPhone counterparts.
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As much as I'd like to see it, Google would be killing the USP of their Nexus line.
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As much as I'd like to see it, Google would be killing the USP of their Nexus line.
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I disagree with this as their Nexus line would still have unlock able bootloaders, stock pure android not skinned and highly mod-able. So there would still very the same market for the Nexus line.
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Google should start giving the OEMs the beta builds a few months before they announce them. So that they can do their testing and have it sorta coincide with the nexus release even if they follow a few weeks later. But the months are ridiculous
I feel like they need to cut the carriers out of this process. Apple doesn't include them, so why should Google/Samsung/Any other OEM?
One of the things people will say is without the carriers android phones won't sell but I disagree.
These carriers don't want Apple to have all the power, Apple already made a major play against carriers by releasing their own Apple Upgrade Program. Which will definitely be very popular and reduce people using carrier financing plans.
So while I think at first the carriers might play hardball to get their wishes, in the end, Google and Android OEM's will come out victorious.
Even if this happened, there is still an extra step in the process with Android because Google would first have to update their OS and then pass it on to each OEM so that they can update their own respective interface and UI elements (TouchWiz, HTC Sense, etc...)
That's still better than the current system: Google -> OEM -> Carrier -> Consumers
With these changes, it would make it: Google -> OEM -> Consumers
Which is still one more step than Apple's process: Apple -> Consumers
Google could help that by pushing it to the OEM's more quickly or including them early on in the update process.
Something!
I switch phones often between iOS, Android, (even Windows Phone - Although this has stopped due to lack of hardware to play with).
Each platform has their pros and cons but getting updates quickly is one of the best things I love about iOS.
If this was fixed, I think it would level the playing field by a huge margin. Most other gripes would be software related and could be fixed easily through updates or hardware related which wouldn't be that big of an issue due to all the variety among Android OEM's.
Why does Apple get all that power? No one else? Not Windows Phone or Android? It's not fair and both Microsoft and Google need to step it up!
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Google should start giving the OEMs the beta builds a few months before they announce them. So that they can do their testing and have it sorta coincide with the nexus release even if they follow a few weeks later. But the months are ridiculous
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Exactly! You typed this as I was typing my long rant, lol.
Carriers are what ruin timely Android device updates. What excuse does AT&T have still having 5.0.1 for their S6? Seriously, I want to actually have a conversation with an AT&T software engineer and ask why their heads are up their asses?
The fact that the Galaxy S6, one of AT&T's flagship devices is still on 5.0.1 makes me wonder if we will see 6.0 on the Note 5 any time in the next couple of years.
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Carriers are what ruin timely Android device updates. What excuse does AT&T have still having 5.0.1 for their S6? Seriously, I want to actually have a conversation with an AT&T software engineer and ask why their heads are up their asses?
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Our happiness/satisfaction is not a priority for them.
They just want our money... Smh
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Our happiness/satisfaction is not a priority for them.
They just want our money... Smh
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If by "our happiness," you mean geeks like us who read tech sites, then you'd be absolutely correct. No company is ever going to care what we think because we're an abysmally small segment of the market. Of all the people who buy Android phones in the world, very few actually care about that version number that shows up in Settings | About Phone.
Further, we also tend to be among the cheapest people around. Whenever people start complaining about a phone being overpriced, those comments come from tech geeks more often than not.
Money talks and BS walks. If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that.
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AT&T. I'm hoping around next decade. I'm being a little too optimistic, but one can hope.
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Lol this killed me, this is my case and it's so true.
Earlier they said that Sammy are bout to give a major update to S6/edge/edge+ and Note 5! Maybe(I say now) it's marshmallow!
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If by "our happiness," you mean geeks like us who read tech sites, then you'd be absolutely correct. No company is ever going to care what we think because we're an abysmally small segment of the market. Of all the people who buy Android phones in the world, very few actually care about that version number that shows up in Settings | About Phone.
Further, we also tend to be among the cheapest people around. Whenever people start complaining about a phone being overpriced, those comments come from tech geeks more often than not.
Money talks and BS walks. If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that.
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I agree and disagree with some of the points you made...
I agree that our passion for technology and gadgets puts us in a niche category in comparison to the rest of Samsung/Apple/Any OEM's customer base as a whole.
When I said "our happiness" I meant consumers in general. I think everyone, whether they know or not, if shown facts and asked would say they want continued support for a product they spent money for. Whether it was $200 or $950.
There's really no indicator to say how many people understand software versions etc... Most I would assume and generally agree, like you said, don't know and don't care. I have been fortunate enough to travel, live and work abroad for many years in different parts of the world. One thing I noticed, is people all over the world are similar in some ways and different in others. Especially in regards to technology. However, it's a hard statistic to prove or show.
Not knowing something doesn't factor in my comment though.
Ignoring ignorance in it's simplest form, my point was if you know all the facts. Then you see how Apple is able to update their phones directly to their consumers without any carrier influence ,interference or delay. Then Google/Microsoft and other should be able to do the same.
I think when you hear compliments about Apple, it's not only physical about the hardware/software (which Android and OEM's compete pretty evenly now).
It's mainly about their customer service. That goes a long way with brand perception. That's why they have it and others don't. Their continued support for older models and current models is stellar!
You also say we (as in techies) "... tend to be the cheapest people around". I don't think so, I know, myself personally, I go through several premium phones a year. Money has never factored into it. I just want the best of the best. I know many techies who feel like me. I think T-Mobile created Jump-On-Demand for people like us. I would think the opposite would be true and a non-techie would care more about price rather than quality or specs.
Lastly, you say "If you want OEMs and carriers to take software updates more seriously, get non-techies to care. Good luck with that."
I think if OEM's want to compete with Apple they have to get non-techies to care about them. Not the opposite. I have no brand loyalty, I will use anything from any OEM, so long as their product and service is superior.
Just my two cents...
I hope android M is so good
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I have a feeling marshmallow might come sooner than previously (notice I didn't say soon) the fact that Google officially support finger print might mean that marshmallow note 5 maybe better and more accurate
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I have a feeling marshmallow might come sooner than previously (notice I didn't say soon) the fact that Google officially support finger print might mean that marshmallow note 5 maybe better and more accurate
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I hope so! That and a few adjustments here and there.
Really would make a great phone even better!
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Earlier they said that Sammy are bout to give a major update to S6/edge/edge+ and Note 5! Maybe(I say now) it's marshmallow!
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Source?
I've already gave Samsung a piece of my mind on the topic, but one or a few persons isn't going to do it.
here's some facts to know beforehand:
SM-P600: Note 10.1 2014 Edition WIFI-ONLY (much older than Note Pro) received 5.1.1 update for various regions between early December 9th and January 16th
SM-T900: Tab Pro 12.2 WIFI-ONLY (same release date, cheaper product / lower paying customers) also received 5.1.1 updates Dec. 9 - Jan 16th
first, download the Samsung+ app if you don't have it already. go to the Support or Help Section, and start a Video Chat call (yes it works on Wi-Fi only). by default, the camera on your tab is off, if you wish for them to see you, you'll have to manually toggle it on during the call so don't worry about that. the video chat is U.S. based and almost always gets you a fluent English speaking agent capable of an intelligent conversation. the regular phone line is more likely to land you in India or Mexico and no speak ingles thank you for choose Samsung business appreciate come again byebye! or tangle you up in departments that either have no involvement in software support or have no way to pass along your thoughts.
next, proceed to complain either politely or passionately, whichever fits your fancy, about the lack of updates for (give the exact model number SM-P900) our tab.
be prepared, they will try in many ways to tell you there's nothing they can do or redirect the conversation to have you go check for newer software / how to check for newer software so they can get you off the call. we already know what the newest is and how to check. we're not stupid! ROUND TWO, FIGHT!
tell them how (use the model numbers and names) the older/cheaper devices already got 5.1.1 almost half a year ago. they will try to tell you that the carriers or some other entity are responsible for handling updates. WIFI ONLY devices get their updates from Samsung, not a 3rd party. don't let them end the call so easily! they may also try telling you that a 3rd party updated the other tabs. reassure them you're comparing apples-to-apples, Wi-Fi tabs to Wi-Fi tabs.
ROUND THREE! expect to hear something about their update support being designed to end at a time that encourages customers to purchase a new device. every new Wi-Fi tab Samsung has released after the Note Pro (and is planning to release through the end of the year 2016 http://tabletmonkeys.com/new-tablets/) are either 1. budget devices with lesser hardware in one category or another (which are for a different kind of customer), or 2. run different operating systems (windows, also for different kinds of customers), or 3. both
make it known how despicable it is to try and force us to new devices "even if the specs were better, which isn't the case" and that you insist your feedback gets noted and passed on to Relations and all other involved departments.
feel free to share if you have done this, you will have my thanks and that of many others
This won't work. The device is probably going to hit eol soon. But I tried anyway. I did a video call with Samsung support the through the Samsung+ app. The support agent was polite and gave me the same answers and I gave my response.
He also suggested to leave a bad review on the Samsung product page but that won't do anything. I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
working or not, it's one of few avenues we got
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I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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What are the issues that you see? They can't be fixed unless the dev knows it is an issue.
Not particularly with this device but on other devices I've seen random reboots.
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100% agree with this kind of initiatives !
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You know, I was looking for official updates for our SM-P900. And I came across this. My opinion is that we always have the best option: learn from our mistakes, never do it again and move on. With that said, we all paid good money for that "premium" tablet. And since day one I felt I was going to pay dearly for having to buy another Samsung product. And sure s**t, I did. Which happens to be my last Samsung device. I forced myself to look for other products and was actually pleasantly surprised to find others. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, maybe the market is more mature, maybe I spent my money more wisely.
Note 5 for my wife and this SM-P900 were last Samsung devices we bought so it was a while back. Without realizing it, we went with 2 Sony android TVs when we could have bought Samsung TVs. We bought Rokus for older TVs. I bought a Nexus 6P to replace my Note 3 last year. We bought LG washer and dryer. Also LG fridge. And it feels good to not give them any more money.
And every dog has its day: Note 7.
Don't get me wrong Sterist, I truly admire your enthusiasm. I have been there. I am an IT Director with 20 years of experience so I came across very expensive pieces of hardware for a very long time. But it's good that we start growing a spine and start to really stick to them and mean it. I'm not a fan of anything. I don't discriminate. And today I recommend people to buy what's reliable. Usually Apple. When you have employees who constantly ask you personal questions about what to buy and you don't want to hear they complain weeks later after they bought what you recommended, well, you get smart and recommend whatever is going to help so they don't come back to haunt you.
(deep inside I am pissed like you and others about the SM-P900 and lack of support or for Samsung to just sit around like they always do for the EOL of this device)
Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Not necessarily. There are some more tweaks and updates that this tablet could use. Or at least thats what I think.
I have to say that buying this tablet when I did I though it would at least get upgraded to v6. The device is capable of so much more. I am using the unofficial CM 14.1 and mostly its very good. But as previous people have mentioned there are a few things that don't seem to work. The Microphone is one of them. The screen resolution is awesome using CM14.1!!
The hardware was ahead of the capability of the OS so updates should of been worked on.
It was good value but without the updates the timescale of that value is too short, If I had shelled out a bit more for something else I would have an updated OS which could make better use of the hardware underneath and the value would have applied over a longer period in reality making it cheaper. This experience has change my view on Samsung products. When I can finally put down money for a new tablet, I will be definitively be looking elsewhere for a brand that supports their products for longer.
I recently bought this tablet second hand because I wanted a premium tablet with the S Pen but I wasn't willing to wait/spend on the Tab S3. At the time, I didn't realize how old the Note Pro actually was so I was disappointed to find out that it's stuck on Lollipop (granted, my fault for not researching this first). Like dstote above, I figured Samsung would at least support it until Marshmallow considering the hardware specs. What a shame.
Of course, this then brought me to xda. I immediately flashed Lineage 14 but realized I really wanted TouchWiz back (never thought I'd say that). Next I tried Carbon which is a modified stock ROM. It worked well and was much faster than stock but I lost 5GHz wifi access--presumably because it was intended for the P901. I then settled on the Bussybox build which has been working great. The only issue is the occasional random reboot which I'm hoping gets ironed out in future builds. Here's hoping someone puts together a TouchWiz Nougat build because I'm not holding my breath for Samsung to do it.
In my case I bought the SM-P900 because I travel a lot and wanted something to work on (including sketching/ drawing), watch movies on, keep in touch with family and friends on and something that, being a premium product, Samsung would support.
The hardware is far more capable than the OS and the unfortunate thing is the lack of S Pen support in most of the custom builds. Until this device I'd had a Galaxy S2,3,4 & 5 and a couple of Samsung TV's. I now have an LG phone, 2 LG TV's and LG fridge - Not because they are any better (you've only got to look at their track record with updates) but because they offer better value for money - We also have 2 Motorola and an Oppo phone in the house - All of the samsungs are stuck in a drawer with various flavours of lineage or CM on them as back ups. Apple - not for me - it's too locked down - but at least it's well supported.
Vote with your wallets, it's clearly the only thing Samsung understand.
HTC would be the most attractive company on the market if they put out a reputation of 4+ system platform upgrades. M7 is the perfect phone to start with. Updating in multiple stages for all M7 stock systems, Lollipop-->Nougat
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HTC would be the most attractive company on the market if they put out a reputation of 4+ system platform upgrades. M7 is the perfect phone to start with. Updating in multiple stages for all M7 stock systems, Lollipop-->Nougat
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lol keep dreaming :laugh:
3 years old device get official n update ? no,, keep dreaming bro
I think you are misreading my post. It is my intention that HTC set a mark higher than the other companies dare to go, creating a reputation of value greater than the other companies, and driving business away from the competition, towards our phones... and my phone is just over 1 mo old. :good: phone battery lasted all day and still over 50% left. No charging for 12 hours
Your M7 is one month old, yes, but tje m7 was released 3 years ago, we as m7 users have to rely on the devs to create updated roms for us.
Nougat requires Vulkan, the GPU in the snapdragon 600 doesnt have it, even the 800/801 doesnt have it, thats why the N5 wont get it either.
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Nougat requires Vulkan, the GPU in the snapdragon 600 doesnt have it, even the 800/801 doesnt have it, thats why the N5 wont get it either.
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Actually, it doesn't really require it as my Moto G3 has an AOSP Nougat ROM.
Apparently, Apple owners keep their devices for 3-4 years, on average. They can reasonably expect software support for the entire time they keep their device.
Even with a lower, less-frequent device turnover than many Androids, Apple manages to sell a lot of phones each year.
With the increased competition for Android users' money, you'd think one of the major Android manufacturers, who are often criticized for copying Apple, would follow Apple's example on the software support front. This would quickly make them stand out from the pack.
I, for one, am never again buying an expensive phone with no guarantees of extended software support. If HTC is done with the M7, then I'm done with them.
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I, for one, am never again buying an expensive phone with no guarantees of extended software support. If HTC is done with the M7, then I'm done with them.
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Good luck finding an OEM that supports phones over two years. From what I've seen, HTC is one of the better OEMs to support device updates in recent years.
Maybe a Nexus device, but even then the Nexus 5 (released after the m7) isn't getting Nougat either.
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Good luck finding an OEM that supports phones over two years. From what I've seen, HTC is one of the better OEMs to support device updates in recent years.
Maybe a Nexus device, but even then the Nexus 5 (released after the m7) isn't getting Nougat either.
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Well, there's Apple. Ugh.
It's hard for the voice of "reason" to be heard by manufacturers over the noise of massive sales & media hype. So, those of us that like prompt s/w updates, loud speakers, and 4.7" screens are largely out of luck with Android devices lately.
Nexus/Pixel purchases are one way to to indicate a preference for updates, but it feels a bit like a protest vote - kind of like when the 3rd party candidates aren't much better than the front-runners.
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Well, there's Apple. Ugh.
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Probably a lot easier for Apple to bring iOS 10 to the Iphone 5 when they "only" have released 9 phones (and half of them simply being a "+" or "S" variant) in the last 5 years.
How much phones did HTC released in 5 years? Over a hundred if you count all the phones from the One series, Desires series, Droid series... Virtually impossible to keep them all updated to the latest version. I think 3 years of official updates for an android flagship is really good. If HTC had the whole android market for them, making only 1 phone/year (and a "+" variant), I'm sure they would also be able to give official update for 5 years.
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I think 3 years of official updates for an android flagship is really good.
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That's because they've all set the bar so low.
Something has to be done to convince Google, Qualcomm/etc, and the phone manufacturers to work out a solution that makes updates easier. Maybe, as these devices make their way deeper into the corporate/government world (where long-term support is a huge deal), they'll see how it makes business sense for them to do it.
All I can do is support the devices with the longest support cycle.
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Probably a lot easier for Apple to bring iOS 10 to the Iphone 5 when they "only" have released 9 phones (and half of them simply being a "+" or "S" variant) in the last 5 years.
How much phones did HTC released in 5 years? Over a hundred if you count all the phones from the One series, Desires series, Droid series... Virtually impossible to keep them all updated to the latest version. I think 3 years of official updates for an android flagship is really good. If HTC had the whole android market for them, making only 1 phone/year (and a "+" variant), I'm sure they would also be able to give official update for 5 years.
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You should know that the S variants are usually entirely different phones, sharing only the chassis and outer shell, and even thoses have subtle differences. I consider the standard, non S devices from apple as a proof of concept and crowd beta testing (let us all remember the antenagate), and then they release the S to address all the shortcomings of the previous one. And that's the advice i give to all my friends which are tempting on buying a iPhone, you're better with the previous S, than the current Non-S (bang for buck)
Regarding your other statement, that's one of the main problems i find with OEMs these days, from HTC to Samsung to Sony... They flood the market with too many variations of the same device, keep up with multiple trees of them, each with a miriad of products. Like you said, on HTC you get the One, the Desire, the Droid, and probably others. On Samsung, you get the S, the Note, smaller tree but dear God, so many devices.
Consider this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy#Models
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_HTC_devices
It get's to the point that unless you are a connoisseur of your OEM, it's very hard to tell if the device A is better than the B, just by their model.
OEMs should focus more, dedicate more R&D time to less devices and produce better hardware, and offer better software support. Hell, the auto industry warranty figured this out several years ago, you get car A with 3Years or 60000miles warranty, and car B with 5y or 100000miles... this factor weights on your decision...
Of course its a stupid idea. Because the phone companies putting out the phones for a penny to end users.
But mostly its stupid cause no matter what you do the phone go flop in water or slide out a pocket between bike spokes and frame at top speed and splat! Time for a new one.(see my new video)
And its stupid cause UFS type game changing upgrades to hardware.
You know it would be nice on the M7 is all.
but could they just give us security patches on the phones? That would be a great thing.
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Nougat requires Vulkan, the GPU in the snapdragon 600 doesnt have it, even the 800/801 doesnt have it, thats why the N5 wont get it either.
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Good luck finding an OEM that supports phones over two years. From what I've seen, HTC is one of the better OEMs to support device updates in recent years.
Maybe a Nexus device, but even then the Nexus 5 (released after the m7) isn't getting Nougat either.
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Guys , I'm Sorry to say so ... but , your all wrong because N5 finally received Nougat ( no matter it was not official ) but as it is fully functional ( actually the ones based on r7 ) and everything seems fine , it means that it's not Impossible to have it on our M7 either ... Don't you think so ? ...
With Best Wishes
Hitman1376
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Guys , I'm Sorry to say so ... but , your all wrong because N5 finally received Nougat ( no matter it was not official ) but as it is fully functional ( actually the ones based on r7 ) and everything seems fine , it means that it's not Impossible to have it on our M7 either ... Don't you think so ? ...
With Best Wishes
Hitman1376
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No, definitely not impossible, but I was referring to official support. OEMs tend to support phones for about two years. Anything older requires XDA developers to come to the rescue.
There was a topic here recently where someone said they built Nougat for the m7. He said something to the effect of, "nothing worked," which doesn't reveal how far he got.
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No, definitely not impossible, but I was referring to official support. OEMs tend to support phones for about two years. Anything older requires XDA developers to come to the rescue.
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Sure thing ... I esp meant the other reply talking about the hardware staff ... But, your telling the Right thing in general ... OEMs leave usually after a year or two ... actually , HTC is MUCH better than Sam ( I own a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 ) because my tablet is even much better than Flagships ( according to Hardware and Software ... I even got better Benchmarks with my kernel comparing with Note 3 ) but , It didn't even get a simple TouchWiz M Release which is much more annoying ... also the sources samsung provides are usually less flexible with different ToolChains and Modifications Comparing with HTC ( at least with M7 ) ... I even faced some Odd errors when compiling with a newer TC which is not true with HTC M7's ... long story short , I'm never going to buy a Sam again ... Their phones are dull but pretty dolled up ( at least in my humble Opinion )
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Hitman1376
PS. as I'm not going to start a never ending war between the Fans of these companies , I completely respect your opinions ... It was just my humble exp ...
?? Looks cool
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGdGHHs0zdxdGZaR3FLcG92cTQ/view?usp=sharing
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
More real estate for screen so FP goes to the back. Trending way for most new phones.
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
qbanlinxx said:
Least this one will come with Oreo and hopefully they give it 2 OS update cycles, unlike the screwjob we got with the 3t
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Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.
casual_kikoo said:
Screwjob? The OnePlus 3T came with Android 6.0.1, was updated to Android 7.x, and now Android 8.0 is on beta channel.
6.0.1 -> 7.x -> 8.0
That makes two update cycles.
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Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
oTeMpLo said:
fingerprint sensor at back another disappointment... op can never get it right
http://geeksnipper.com/oneplus-5t-will-launched-november-20th/6752/
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if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
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Hmmm, I'm becoming more of the opinion that my 3T is too big.
I miss having a smaller, 5" say phone.
Bigger screen/same footprint doesn't interest me at all.
There's really nothing on the market that grabs my attention and makes me want to buy it...
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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Indeed facts are facts and it is what it is. Yes it is OnePlus fault it shipped with 6.0.1, I didn't make that decision.
endursa said:
if this is real, i have to disagree!
before the OP3t i used a nexus 5x, and i quite like the back placement of the fingerprint scanner!
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Same opinion:good:
But I see no reason to buy the 5T. I'm very happy with my 3T and there will be soon the Oneplus 6
bilal.malik said:
With the release of the Oneplus 5T incoming, I'm left questioning the longevity of my Oneplus 3T. You see, my issue is that just a few days back I got pushed around a shopping mall and my phone dropped face first from around chest height. The phone is now having 30% of its screen cracked from the bottom right. Thankfully all the functions still work but looking at the screen is still a pain. My only options are to pay about $120 to buy a replacement screen and have it shipped to my home country (in the middle east) and look for a shop that'll replace and hopefully not damage the device. My only other option is to get a oneplus 5T or use this phone as is until the oneplus 6 comes out and buy that. According to how I buy things, I like to keep my phone for atleast 2 years before I change to a new one, so far it has been only 11 months. So what would you, the community, recommend me to do now that we know that Oneplus will no longer be updating the 3T? Thank you for the advice
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I switched to Sultan XDA lineage OS. currently running 10/22/17 build with flashed 4.5.1 modem. In the USA on Mint, this is a rock solid ROM which fixed my GPS issues and has VOLTE. wifi calling is disabled. I am not going back to OOS (4.5.0 was the last version on my 3T A3000). Maybe this information will help you make a decision.
qbanlinxx said:
Indeed, the 5t comes with 8.0 installed that was just released, and will get 9.x and 10. I feel the 3t should have came with 7.0, considering 6.0.1 had been out over a year already. So yes I feel like the 3t got a screwjob in that regard..
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Yeah. 8.0 means that we got a year of OS support. It shoulder been more.
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RASTAVIPER said:
You can feel anyway you like mate.
But facts are facts and it is what it is.
3T will receive the normal number of official updates and nothing to blame the company for.
After that we have this fantastic community to take care of us.
So, no real reason to complain, right?
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The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
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What could be the reason behind that ?
devlamania said:
The way you're thinking is the exact reason why controlled obsolescence is so successful. If OP5T comes with Android 7.1.1/7.1.2 out of box that will be the similar case of what happened with OP3T. Apple supports their OS for 4-5 years, while Android devices "die" in 2 years or less than that. No matter how okay you are with that, doesn't justify the act at all.
It is sad that people actually buy these justifications and make peace with it. These devices are so powerful that software updates can make it running for 5 years easy. "Easy". But they don't. Either Snapdragon will pull out support or OEM will. At the end of the day they want the money, and we the sheep always fall for "flashy unnecessary stuff that doesn't even matter".
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It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
RASTAVIPER said:
Buddy go buy an Iphone then.
Android provides these updates for this specific period.
Simple as that.
No reason to argue more, if you don't agree with that.
Unleashed by ONEPLUS 3T rooted
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And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
thes3usa said:
It's sad when you're supporting Apple for having Software Support for their devices >5 Years old, but call Android users "sheep", when you have fanboys supporting Apple for new phones that are similar in design and internal specs [Except the IP8/8+/X], but mark my words, the next few iPhones will be a repeat in all what we like about the recent Apple phones.
As per my knowledge of the definition of Sheep: People who fall in line for repeated and fake ideas without having any reason as to why they're following.
And in all my time of using Android devices, any flagship line of devices have never been repeated in specs and design, unlike *cough* iPhone *cough*. An example : iPhone SE
Sure, OEM's may not support Android devices for long, but for a flagship device, there will always be Custom ROM's. Hell, even my Galaxy S3 has Oreo/Nougat ROM's.
As RASTAVIPER said;
And continuing on his reply, you don't buy an Android for the repeated OEM updates, you buy it for the community support and the Open Source Features of Android, which allow anyone to build on it.
Want all the updates that Apple provides to their phones? Don't buy a budget device like the 5T for 500$ approx. Go buy an iPhone for double the price if you're all about the OEM support.
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I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
devlamania said:
I'm an apple fanboy ? Holy cow, I didn't know that myself. Thanks for clarifying o greatest of all. Lol.
If you say that people's dedication towards nation in North Korea is awesome doesn't make you a NK fanboy. If you can't say what's good for what it is, then shame on you and shame on you for trying to shut me from saying that.
I'm tired of you people tagging - oh he's a Nvidia fanboy, oh he's an amd fanboy. I'm a consumer. A "consumer".
And here you go spitting venom about this and that aspect of apple and Android. Yo, I'm talking about software support here !! I'm not taking side of apple or android which your blockhead clearly missed out. But that's okay. It's your life, it's your money and it's your choice.
But what really is interesting is, I spoke about apple being good about software updates and you lost your mind !! And readily assumed me to be an apple user in xda. That's cool ... That's cool. A sheep is a sheep. Whether it's an android user or apple. Anyway, good day to you.
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I'd like you to re-read my reply, and check where I called you an Apple fanboy or even an Apple user. I clearly stated that you calling Android users sheep is funny when Apple fanboys are sheep for a repeated device. I have NOT called you an Apple fanboy nor have I called you an Apple product consumer. Please do go re-read if you still think so.
Throwing insults around like a child? Do go on, because I never "spat venom" at any clarification or any idea you stated, and I did not "lose my mind", I was speaking in a calm and cool way, unlike you who had the audacity to insult me, when I didn't even say anything to offend you in the first place. If you misread or misunderstood my reply, that's not my problem, it's your problem.
Well, if you speak and think like this on any forum, no wonder you're disappointed how the community helps you or treats you. You don't even have your facts straight yet, OEM's don't support their devices readily with the newest OS updates, but they do update even their older devices with important security updates, I.E.: OnePlus rolling out the KRACK vulnerability fix to the OP2.
And frankly speaking, I deem it viable for Apple to release updates for their older devices, when you spend an absurd amount on even an older device. Overly expensive=Good after sales support and OTA's
But you want a budget flagship killer company(OnePlus) to;
1. Make powerful devices that are at budget prices
2. Support the device and older devices for a time period of 5 years.
3. Keep releasing newer and newer devices with updated hardware, while doing #2
You think that all the staff, manufacturing and running costs run on Air, but they got to keep their lights running. If it's a company like Apple who price their devices at absurd prices and have no price depreciation for a couple of years, yes they should give OTA's for a long time.
You don't take anything into consideration, but only the fact that it needs to keep you happy and at a low price.
Quoting @RASTAVIPER ; Go buy an iPhone, because Android OEM's release OTA's for the time period of that device. When they've completed their OTA stages for the flagship, we have an amazing community to support each other, unlike Apple who keep their devices locked down, so they HAVE to give OS updates.
Keep throwing childish insults at anyone who argues with you on XDA or any other forum, and see if anyone will be happy to help you.
Also, if it didn't get through to you, I did not call you an Apple fanboy, and neither did I involve anything so personally condemning for you to insult me.
Definition of sheeple (Sheep of Apple)
informal
: people who are docile, compliant, or easily influenced
Seriously so much false flag in this thread its insane... Android phones would have 5 year updates if people would not want a "new" phone every six months. Simple
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Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
By buying an Android device, you must already expect shorter software support, the longest support I know is up to 3 years (Pixels and OnePlus). 2 years with 2 major OS upgrade is already lucky, others in the mid and low range tier is usually 1 year and is super lucky enough if they get one major OS upgrade.
king3opobn said:
Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
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Then don't buy it. Two years of OS feature updates and three (total) of security updates isn't terrible. That's less than $40 a month, or what many pay for coffee or video games a month. If phones are your hobby or your job, it's not that expensive compared to what others spend on their hobbies.
9to5 Google only recommend Pixel phones and some of them use iPhone full time, so I don't take this very seriously.
As far as Android 12 goes, yeah, another year of update would have been great but I never keep phones for a full year and most people upgrade either yearly or every 2 years... However, for a $1400 ultra phone users should get more than we get on other phones.
This phone is the beast everyone has been asking for for years. It should be expensive. 2 major updates for a phone is average if not above unless you have an iphone. I've had the ultra for 2 days and fully expected to return it and keep my p4xl but I think I'm hooked. It is awesome. The buds came today and they are great. I won't even try to describe them - need to try for yourself. It isn't for everyone but it is some good stuff.
le0.br4zuc4 said:
9to5 Google only recommend Pixel phones and some of them use iPhone full time, so I don't take this very seriously.
As far as Android 12 goes, yeah, another year of update would have been great but I never keep phones for a full year and most people upgrade either yearly or every 2 years... However, for a $1400 ultra phone users should get more than we get on other phones.
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They used to update more than just 2 Android versions, 11 is almost out and 12 will be coming qiickly after that. 9to5 is not the only source, it was an official Samsung announcement and many news sites are taking about it,
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsungs-2020-flagships-will-only-get-major-updates-till-android-12
_Dennis_ said:
Then don't buy it. Two years of OS feature updates and three (total) of security updates isn't terrible. That's less than $40 a month, or what many pay for coffee or video games a month. If phones are your hobby or your job, it's not that expensive compared to what others spend on their hobbies.
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Ok, i didn't ask you what i should do.
It's pretty much planned obselesence at its finest, most companies do it as a business strategy to get more money. It's scummy, but it is what it is when you live in a capitalist society.
As for apple supporting up to 5 years, I doubt that's hard for them considering iOS 13 design looks the same as iOS 7, just icon changes, control center and notification center UI changes. If anything, their yearly updates are incremental at best.
Whereas if you compare Android in the past 6 years, it has come very with major changes every year.
1. If you're a techie buying an Ultra, you'll probably replace the phone before Android 13.
2. You know this before buying one. If updates are that important, you could buy a Pixel or iPhone.
3. Android updates aren't game changing anymore. Each year, updates become like bug fixes and battery tweaks than anything else. Until a major visual overhaul is done, there's little to gain.
aroy97 said:
It's pretty much planned obselesence at its finest, most companies do it as a business strategy to get more money. It's scummy, but it is what it is when you live in a capitalist society.
As for apple supporting up to 5 years, I doubt that's hard for them considering iOS 13 design looks the same as iOS 7, just icon changes, control center and notification center UI changes. If anything, their yearly updates are incremental at best.
Whereas if you compare Android in the past 6 years, it has come very with major changes every year.
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Additionally, an OS update to a device that has neither the RAM or the storage to effectively run modern apps is pretty pointless unless you are a completely casual user anyway. You can limp along with basic apps on a 5-year-old iPhone, and there are plenty of people out there who that's good enough for them. A lot of families hand their old phones down through their kids and older relatives, which is pretty much the only reason Apple does this - it spreads out their user base to new people who buy services and hardware later. Remember, they make license money on even a new lightning cable.
FWIW to the OP, Samsung is still doing quarterly security updates on the Galaxy S7 as of this post, so you may not be getting a new OS update, but they are NOT abandoning their flagship devices.
king3opobn said:
Ok, i didn't ask you what i should do.
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And I didn't ask you to pay a comment in the forums about things we all already know.
Guess we can assume that because this is an open forum we can both post whatever we want as long as it is within the rules, yeah?
_Dennis_ said:
And I didn't ask you to pay a comment in the forums about things we all already know.
Guess we can assume that because this is an open forum we can both post whatever we want as long as it is within the rules, yeah?
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Nobody asked you to click in this post and read. This is new news for Samsung, so don't BS that you already knew....and this is the news section, m***n.
So instead of 3 versions of Android, as usual from Samsung, we are only getting 2 more upgrades from now on. International version sounds better for me right now.
king3opobn said:
Nobody asked you to click in this post and read. This is new news for Samsung, so don't BS that you already knew....and this is the news section, m***n.
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How is 2 years updates plus an extra year of security update new news?
https://androidcommunity.com/samsun...r-update-policy-for-new-smartphones-20200305/
See, will not change? Nothing new.
From last year
https://www.sammobile.com/samsung/android-10-update
So try again.
As for clicking, no one forced you to read or respond to my post either, it goes both ways.
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king3opobn said:
So instead of 3 versions of Android, as usual from Samsung, we are only getting 2 more upgrades from now on. International version sounds better for me right now.
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It's always been 2 major version updates.
No, the usual is many more updats than 2, just like s7 released with Android 6, and got Android 9
News that Android 8 is not getting Android 10 is part of this same change that Samsung is making.
king3opobn said:
No, the usual is many more updats than 2, just like s7 released with Android 6, and got Android 9
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Are you sure the S7 received Android 9 (Pie)? Because your picture only shows up to Android 8 (Oreo) and this questions if it will get 9 (https://www.gottabemobile.com/5-things-to-know-about-the-galaxy-s7-android-pie-update/amp/)
He (intentionally?) confused the Android version with Samsung Experience version...
The S7 never made it beyond Android 8 and won't receive any further OS upgrade.
king3opobn said:
Well, the device will only get up to Android 12.
9to5Google: Opinion: Samsung can’t justify $1,400 prices when major OS updates are limited to 2 years.
https://9to5google.com/2020/03/04/samsung-os-updates-problem/
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Do you keep a phone got more than two years or so you upgrade? I'd say about 90% of people upgrade, certainly the ones on XDA
who keeps their flagship for more than 2 years?!